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bugsbenefit · 1 year

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attraction in ST

or. oh god stop stripping the show of it's themes no please no it needs those, stopppp

actually making this post now bc i'm sick of people claiming anything remotely sexual or even kissing happening to the party (an opinion that often pops up in the context of byler) in s5 would be horrible, sexualising, or out of character for the show

ST has always had a realistic approach to kids growing into their sexualities. the show's never shied away from directly addressing sex and sexual feelings so i'm honestly amazed by the extremely puritan interpretation of the show. i'm assuming, in good faith, that a big part of it is coming from people not having seen the actual show in ages and are just forgetting how explicitly the show handles sexuality. instead of just assuming it's from culturally raised christian people, who feel uncomfortable seeing any portrayal of sexuality, no matter how tasteful or realistic

i'm also saying all this as an ace person myself, i get not being into sex and not wanting to see it. however, refusing to acknowledge entire themes of a fictional show just because i don't experience them is bizarre to me. sexuality is vitally important to a lot of the characters and isn't just there to be fun(gross). essentially, ST is the opposite of porn without plot

so just as a little reminder what's actually IN Stranger Things. canonically.

sorry i had this sc for ages and wanted to include it Somewhere, so here you go. at a little starter... dorry

also this is an old draft seeing the light of day now, if anything's worded weird it's bc i didn't read all of it over again so oops, grammar hard?

TLDR: the show has never shied away from explicitly addressing sexuality. buying into the puritan fanon version of the show is going to make your s5 viewing experience worse because that show doesn't exist

season 1

we're starting the show off with Stancy, which is very sexually charged in general. (even in s4 Nancy still experiences physical attraction to Steve despite them having unchanged compatibility) the plot surrounding them in s1 explicitly focuses on Nancy having sex with Steve and later regretting that choice. the scene that everyone remembers, is of course, the "explicit" (not really, because ST is really tasteful with how it shows these teens explore themselves) sex scene

they're in sophomore and junior year of highschool here. around 15 and 16 years old - yet the show doesn't shy away from letting them figure things out. and it's not like this sexual theme is contained in only that scene. it keeps coming back the whole season as Nancy tries to sort her feelings out and deals with the aftermath of that night

also sidenote here while still at Steve and his party: even Steve's friends are very casual with their sexualities. and yes, they can even explicitly mention sex and specific sexual acts, no holding back here

Nancy's character conflict in s1 very much hinges on her sexuality and sexual themes. and it's not like there is a magic you need to be at least this old rule to know what sex is on the show like so many people seem to believe, because even 12 year old Mike seems to very much know what his sister and Steve are up to. he even goes out of his way to use it against her

iconic line! but i've seen insane takes trying to spin this into something not alluding to something sexual. i'm sorry to say if he doesn't think they're full on having sex he at least thinks they're getting very intimate with each other regardless

so not even the youngest characters on the show are "innocent and pure" the way fandom likes to claim when it comes to sexuality. and of course they aren't. real 12 year olds know what sex is, they're young not oblivious

and the following seasons make that even more obvious

season 2

as of s2 the kids are getting more involved with the sexual jokes, not just making them about other people but even being directly involved with those themes themselves. which is also realistic. with 13 sexuality starts to get thrown your way by every possible form of media. lots of them start developing crushes, have no idea how relationships work, etc. it's messy, typical teens thrown into the dating game. (i say all of this from a developmental media psychology perspective thanks uni and not personal experience sorry lmao, i'm a bit too ace to have my own input here)

s2 features comedic and awkward mentions of sex(ual activity) towards Lucas and Max,

older peers giving their 13 year old friends well meant advice on how relationships work,

and has even younger characters play around with attraction/kissing/love as well, which is incredibly normal for kids to do at that age

they're all young and the show treats growing up realistically. while the theme of attraction or sexuality gets more relevant for them (in scenes that are often received with awkwardness by the characters themselves) the show offers them safe territory to stand on. none of them are directly confronted with sexuality and are instead offered people to seek advice from for example

meanwhile the sexuality theme for the older kids is still very much explicit. just as Nancy's arc is still heavily tied to her romance and sexuality (which ties into her non conformity themes - she's an ambition driven person trying to escape the culdesac life first and foremost)

not only do we get another sex scene (this time with a cut away), there's also explicit jokes about it after

sexuality on the show is continuously awkward and messy. Jonathan and Nancy are only 16-17 here - no one really knows what they're doing or what the right way to go ahead is and Jonathan rightfully almost does a spittake here. out of pocket Murray

sexuality. is. awkward. (we get is s2 thanks)

season 3

s3 gets even more explicit with it's awkward puberty sexuality themes

from Dustin talking about how much he likes kissing Suzie (and her liking him not having teeth for it?) which weirds Steve out to the repeating, awkwardly received, "happy screams joke" (which gets a callback in later scene)

sexuality is still awkward for them. it's a realistic approach to what 14 year olds act like and know. they're actively dating by now, they're kissing people And have messy relationship situations. all while still acknowledging knowing what sex and attraction is, duh, of course they know that. but i'm explicitly pointing it out because i see obscene amounts of people claiming the characters are completely sheltered and even implying that they know what sex is would be gross. to that i say, do you not remember being 14???

and while i'm at s3, also let it be mentioned that even the adults are suffering at the hands of the sexuality theme here. Hopper's hookups with random women are focused on in s1, but now that he's getting closer with Joyce they get very explicitly told to just have sex. literally

not putting the whole dialogue in here, i already have too many images because there's so many sex mentions in this show and he really just tells them their mating ritual is painful and they should tear their clothes off and fuck right now

thanks Murray, always insightful

season 4

and s4 has stopped just confronting the kids with the existence of sexuality, but is tentatively starting to explore mature themes more directly - which allows them to tentatively start exploring their own sexualities instead of just having to acknowledge the general concept of sexuality

Max gets to ogle shirtless Steve

Lucas has something under his bed that's never confirmed as anything except "100/10 gross" but had 90% of the audience i saw immediately assume something sexual (magazines or the like)

and has a bunch more direct nudges, from the kids "experimenting sexually" as Murray says

to Argyle explicitly telling Jonathan he needs to have sex with Nancy again

to Hopper and Joyce's escalating make out in a church while shirtless

to visual innuendos (i'm looking at you hose scene. this one wouldn't be such a big deal if there wasn't a genuine moral panic about it last year. which was crazy. people literally had to pretend the scene didn't exist to escape the witchhunting mobs, except instead of being killed for magic it'd be for looking at a canon scene and acknowledging it. crazy times - aside from that there's also more visuals you can take as innuendos in s4e1 which there's already posts about out there so i'm not getting into them here, i'm more focused on the overt textual references)

to Yuir extensively talking about pleasing women and making them cum (I'm sparing you from that, the sc in at the top was already enough)

to explicit graffities all over the place, like here as an example "give me head until i'm dead" which is in frame for the whole phone call and Steve talking about his bitchlesness. and is also some of the only easily legible text (i hope this is readable, most of my screenshots kind of died a bit so maybe you need to look at an actual clip to see the text)

that is aside from the "DRUGS" poster which touches on another point s4 makes. the show doesn't just explore sexuality, it also puts the kids into more mature situations in general (not talking about the deaths, this is a horror show), specifically drugs

Jonathan uses weed as a coping mechanism the whole season and Eddie even sells the stuff in full bags (insane weed selling practices btw, even i know that). Chrissy (17-18) wants to do weed and ketamine. and we also see Lucas (14) hungover after drinking at a party for the first time

the show does not shy away from portraying realistic teen experiences

Murray called s4 very well, the kids pound some bears, smoke some ganja, play nintendo, and experiment sexually

literally. you have drinking, weed, and confusing queer sexualities. they took this list step by step

and all of those pretty normal things teens tend to explore. and i say that as someone who was decidedly not into those things. the ace experience is a bit different, but i can still acknowledge how that period was like for my allo friends and people in general

there is an extreme push in this fandom to reject any form of sexual jokes or references in the show, made mostly by people being uncomfortable with portrayals of sexuality. however, the themes not only still exist, they're also very prominent throughout all 4 seasons and are important to a lot of the characters directly

and it's also noteworthy here to see how ST approaches it's sexuality theme. it grows with the characters. starting out as jokes and being received with awkwardness to slowly letting them figure things out on their own time and turns. an extremely realistic progression and very common for coming of age narratives such as ST. it's a far cry from shows exploring sexuality or sexual themes for the sake of the viewers enjoyment like Euph0ria (don't want it to show up in tags)

based on what we currently know s5 could very well be taking place in 1988 or later which would place the party at around 16-17 years old. going into the season with the fanon version of the show that is completely clean and non sexual will 100% set you up for disaster

ST is very realistic and non exploitative with it's exploration of teen sexuality so there is obviously nothing to worry about in the sexualization department, that's just puritan fear mongering. however, it's very likely that we're going to get more than holding hands or pecks on the lips from the characters that are now older than characters we've explicitly seen hook up before. there could be more intimate scenes or making out, yes. but there's also at least one basically guaranteed vulgar joke in there, all seasons have them

there's no real theorizing or speculation about s5 here, anything could happen and i'm not placing bets, i want the characters narratives to be wrapped up well first and foremost and trust the writers to do it well. however, going into s5 with some of the mindsets i've seen circulating on here and expecting the show to be "clean" and cater to a version of it that's never existed outside of purified fandom could genuinely make you feel blindsided by the shows canon themes

not targeted at anyone or anything specifically, just using this as a bit of a reality check of what the show is actually like after recently rewatching all of it in one go

#stranger things #you see people here get attacked for harmless kissing fics bc it's 'too sexual' meanwhile the canon show has teens explicitly having sex #the contrast is just crazy #lets not pretend half the show doesn't exist just bc it makes you uncomfortable #byler #because it's Relevant in that tag lmao #finally posting this older one (i'm even tagging it bc i'm so brave) since we're finally starting to be able to talk about the show like #you'd talk about any other show normally #and we're ignoring the puritans #sure why not talk more about the canon show

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kmze · 14 days

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I have been reading & watching some old cast interviews and comic con panels lately.I never really paid attention to offscreen stuff before but is it me or there was always some underlying tension among them?Either they were trolling or they could barely stand each other to be in the same room or maybe I am reading too much into it.I think the one thing that remained constant was PW relentlessly trolling the show and its below-average writing and outlandish plots.So anyway in the process I got to the part where Malarkey slipped that Enzo will be Bonnie's love interest and Dries spewing BS about Bonlaric in the interviews.This is something Plec said she came up with after their scene in 6×21(hard to believe but whatever).Caroline was the only one the writers didn't say absolutely anything about until they probably decided to incorporate candice's pregnancy.One thing that I remember about both Bonnie and Caroline's so-called future relationships is that neither were compelling enough and little to no effort were made for them before the time jump while both SC & DB were left on cliffhanger.In fact both Carenzo and Bonenzo had the same story.Enzo betrayed both.;vervained Caroline & tied her up,hit Bonnie in the head and injected her with something that disabled her magic.And then in the end got his ass handed over to him by both the girls.😎

Anyway,in one interview,julie had even said that Bonnie and Caroline were going to take centre stage but Candice called and said she was pregnant.I'm not exactly sure how Candice's pregnancy could affect Bonnie's narrative unless it was just one of her lame ass excuses which it absolutely was.So what do you think Baroline's story was originally going to be before the time jump?Baroline being lesbians,dating each other and having the time of their lives in some European city?To be honest I would rather watch THAT.I hope someone does a Tell-All Book someday unless they all signed a NDA because too much shit happened that didn't make any lick of sense.

Hey so I actually think the cast are way more fond of each other than they let on, mostly because I don't see how a group of people would do so many of these cons together if they couldn't stand each other. I think Pauls just did a lot of trolling because he knew people thought it was funny. I do however think Kat hates Caroline Dries as she should and I don't think she likes Julie much either which is also completely warranted. The thing about Dries and Kat in what would be Bonnie's LI in S7 is that Dries said she didn't tell Kat but told Malarkey because Kat wasn't ready to hear it yet and like WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??? Why does she think she had the right to treat her like a child? I'm so glad that bitch basically got fired in S7 and hasn't had success since, it's what she deserves. Bonnie and Enzo had some build-up in S5 too but it was similar to the stuff they had in 6x21 so it just felt like something the writers were putting a pin in for the future if they needed it. I just think the writers had no idea what to do with Enzo in S6 once they decided they didn't need him as the Klaus-lite foil to Stefan and rather wanted to isolate Stefan and Caroline while they built their love story.

I can probably answer the S7 questions better after I rewatch that season (I'm mid-way through S6 now) but I like 7x04 gives a good idea of what the season would have looked like with Candice's pregnancy. I think the SV baby would have been introduced and that would have been the obstacle for Steroline, maybe Stefan would have been stabbed protecting his kid? I also think Valerie might not have had such a big role that season if Candice wasn't pregnant because her screen time really dwindled after she was about 7 months pregnant. Bonnie on the other hand might have been more involved in the heretics plot and maybe that could have been used to develop Bonenzo but I'm sure Dries decided to make Enzo obsessed with Lily because she hates Kat. Like she would rather take a character we just fucking met and give her more stuff than Bonnie because to be blunt Valerie is white and Dries is racist.

#ask for ts

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lightningboltreader · 7 days

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Hi Char! I’m here with three questions for you for Nice Ask Week:)

1. If you could transfer one aspect from Schitts Creek, LS, or RWRB into one of the other two that you feel they lack, what would it be? Or do you just like all three just the way they are☺️

2. If one or more of the characters from the three above mentioned were to show in one of the others, who would you put into which universe and in what situation?

3. Have you got a Tarlos headcanon that you would want to see confirmed in s5?

With well-wishes of a lovely weekend ! 🌼Mar

Hi Mar, tysm!

1. Ooh this is a hard one!! I find so many parallels between SC & 911LS that I shall cheat and add an aspect from those two to RWRB. SC and 911LS have the benefit of multiple seasons to build backstory and motivations for the characters that strengthen my understanding and affection for them, while many of Alex and Henry’s truths must be taken at face value. If given one chance, I’d add rationale for why Henry fell so in love with Alex.

2. In a universe smash I’d put a Rose Apothecary stand at the Austin Farmers Market for David & Patrick to supply several things in the Tarloft. I’ve thought up so many fun little details brainstorming my answer, thank you for this ask!

3. Ugh, I want them back and will take any Tarlos we can get in S5. I’m trying not to be greedy AND to have an open mind because S4 took. me. out. Perhaps a small one, that TK wears his wedding ring on a necklace under his uniform.

What a fun interlude between Sunday chores! ❤️

#nice ask week #brain goes whirrr

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jazzfordshire · 6 months

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Taylor swift 1989 vault tracks are so sc s5 coded im feral fr

The whole ALBUM is full of supercorp songs, are we surprised

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appropriatelystupid · 2 years

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#had some angsty s5 thoughts today #the rare not-ts-lyrics appears #supercorp #lena luthor #kara danvers #supergirl #sc #lena #kara

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exoplanetupdates-blog · 1 year

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EXO Variety Shows (2020-2022)

2022:

Travel the World on EXO's Ladder S3 (EXO)

EXO-Mas (EXO)

Brand New Acorn Market (EXO)

Chen FM (EXO)

hello82 (Xiumin, Suho, Chen)

It’s Live (Suho, Chen)

Amazing Saturday (Xiumin)

Beat Coin (Xiumin)

Street Alcohol Fighter (Xiumin)

Jonathan Youtube Interview (Xiumin)

Chuu Can Do It (Xiumin)

After Zzz… (Xiumin)

Besties in Wonderland (Suho)

King of Masked Singer (Suho)

Hidden Singer 7 (Suho)

Lee Mujin Service (Suho)

Hey News (Suho)

No Doubt TV (Suho)

Back to Field S6 (Lay)

Hello, Saturday (Lay)

The Rap of China (Lay)

MMTG (Chen)

Dive Studios (Chen)

Off The Grid (D.O.)

Give me a minute (D.O.)

Radio Star (D.O. - mention)

KAI’s Bucket List (Kai)

Blockbuster: Brick War of Geniuses (Kai)

The Game Caterers S2 (Sehun)

Street Man Fighter (Sehun)

2021:

EXO Arcade S2 (EXO)

Knowing Bros (Xiumin, Kai)

Radio Star (Xiumin, D.O. - mention)

Busted S3 (Sehun, Suho)

Devil Wears Jungnam (Kai, Sehun)

Xiumin's Tomorrow, A Tennis King (Xiumin)

Amazing Saturday (Xiumin)

Drink with God (Xiumin)

Painful Date S2 (Xiumin)

Hurrah for Independence (Xiumin)

Where is My Home? (Xiumin)

Back to Field S5 (Lay)

Street Dance of China S4 (Lay)

Dance Smash S2 (Lay)

Youth and Melody (Lay)

A Date with Winter Dream (Lay)

New Business Card (Lay)

MMTG (Baekhyun)

Law of the Jungle (Chanyeol)

I Live Alone (Kai)

New World (Kai)

Kai's Bucket List (Kai)

Honeymoon Tavern (Kai)

Idol Dictation Contest S1 (Kai)

Sixth Sense S2 (Kai)

hello82 (Kai)

Job Dongsan (Kai)

Ggoggomoo S2 (Kai)

The TakFather (Kai)

Dingo (Kai)

Food Comes After Hard Work (Kai)

House on Wheels (Sehun)

2020:

Workman (EXO)

Choiza Road S3 (EXO-SC)

After Zzz.. (EXO-SC, Kai)

Knowing Bros (EXO-SC, Baekhyun + Kai)

Amazing Saturday (Baekhyun + Chanyeol + Kai, Suho, Kai)

Heart For You (Suho, Chanyeol, Sehun)

Things That Make Me Groove (Xiumin, Baekhyun)

hello82 (Baekhyun + Kai)

Radio Star (Xiumin - mention)

Happy Camp (Lay)

Only 3 Days (Lay)

Street Dance of China S3 (Lay)

New Year’s Eve Dinner (Lay)

Go Fighting S6 (Lay)

I'm CZR S2 (Lay)

Dance Smash S2 (Lay)

We Are Young (Lay)

Yoo Heeyeol’s Sketchbook (Suho)

ODG (Suho)

I Play Alone (Baekhyun)

You Quiz On The Block (Baekhyun)

Heart For You (Chanyeol)

Stay Body Luv (Kai)

Hey Jini (Kai)

Comedy Big League (Kai)

YOOXICMAN (Kai)

Look Me Up (Kai)

The Adventures of Young-Ji (Kai)

I Live Alone (Sehun)

#EXO #VARIETY #2020 #2021 #2022

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lyloneliness · 10 months

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S5 first ep was so gooooood (๑˃̵　ᴗ　˂̵)و

I love the dynamic between ranpo and poe in the sc where they explain all the rescue plans !! They're just adorable!! (๑✪ᆺ✪๑)

And of course the press conference was really good, Kamiya Hiroshi is so good as always ✨

And sunglasses suit poe so well 😎✨

#bsd #bsd s5 #i love ranpooooo #ranpoe #kamiya hiroshi #bad poe #edogawa ranpo

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alex-the-bringer-of-chaos · 2 years

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Okay, this was most likely brought up already, but considering every freaking interview and the dear Billy script made it very fucking clear that Mike is not aware of Will's feelings for him. That means the apology and heart to heart on episode 4 was out of his heart, sincere, the romance in it, the feelings are being reciprocated (even though Mike is not aware of Will's love for him and most likely his for Will). He said what Will needed to hear, not because it was what he needed to hear, but because that's what Mike wanted to say, he means every single word.

Meanwhile his monolog/"love confession" is based on what he thinks El wants to hear, what he thinks she needs to hear, built over Will's feelings, a bunch of lies and romance cliches that are not true words, and just Hero worship. Not only that, he had to be pushed to say it, only doing so after Will once again proving how selfless and how much he loves Mike Reminds him that he's the heart once again sacrificing his own happiness for the good of others. He said what he thought El wanted/needed to hear and it didn't work, not only because the feelings weren't genuine but also because El doesn't need him, she doesn't want the kind on love Mike is giving. She fights for Max, but at the end of the day they still lose. Mike's love is not genuine, because he doesn't love her romantically, that's why they lose.

The love Mike wants and needs is the love Will feels for him, and so is the other way around. Mike NEEDS to realize this in s5, otherwise he, El and Will will be stuck in the state of unhappiness that they are as of right now. All of this just reminds me of Caleb McLaughlin saying Lumax love is real, unlike Mike's and El's. Will has true love for Mike, and once Mike realizes that the painting and the feelings related to it are Will's not El's, my darling, they're gonna end up together. And El will finally be capable of being her own self, not being held back by a romantic relationship that doesn't give her what she would need out of one.

Some great posts to check out that made my brain go brrrr and come to this conclusion:

Shout out to @deanismysavior @chirpsythismorning @urlocalbylershipper and last but not least @aurorabyler for getting us the dear billy script <3

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shygiverninja · 2 months

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I brought this here SOLEY to answer the questions. Because Oh My God.

1. Actually, the CW went down in views after Lena got more screentime in S5, so it's not like antis are alone in thinking she got too much attention, so did the General Audience.

2. No, just your fandom. They spent way too much time being nasty to everyone who wasn't them (and even turned on their own if they didn't fall in line with the 'doctrine'), harassed the cast and crew so much Azie actually got warned when she joined the cast, and generally just couldn't stay in their lane even if they were paid.

Nobody had any problems with SuperCat, SuperLane, Dansen, or Sanvers. Ironically, the ships I just mentioned all had problems with SC, and two of them never included Kara.

3. Nobody is jealous of you over anything. Literally anything. The fandom has such a bad rep that people didn't even want them included in fandom-wide projects because they take everything over and make it about them.

Both questions actually show the hubris and ego that everyone loathes about your fandom, so you really just gave an example of the real reason the fandom is hated.

4. Please point to where they admitted they were acting choices for that specific reason? I know Katie made a comment once, but it feels like if both characters merely breathe in the same room it's seen as an 'acting choice,' so it's hard to take these claims seriously.

As for the main question of 'why'? If you outright stated it was headcanon, I wouldn't bitch. But you always present it as unassailable fact when there are, indeed, heterosexual interpretations you're just not interested in entertaining. And therefore claim the show or actresses gave you something that wasn't even intentional.

Yes, I am waiting for Word of God. Especially since G@ylors are using the very same logic you are to prove Taylor Swift is gay and trying to force her out of the closet they are convinced she's still in after 10 years.

#supergirl #taylor swift #kara danvers #dc comics #anti gaylor #kara zor el #dc #cw supergirl

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itsbenedict · 11 months

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run D&D for little brothers at a weird time

WK reviews +5 lessons

have damage occur

why do you have an axe

perspective shot of crime scene

jaj portrait sketch

notably did not put any actual work work on this list, since i didn't think anything was happening, but a thing did in fact happen and took up a bunch of time today and so i couldn't get everything done. luckily, both my thursday and friday commitments got cancelled, so i've got time to make up lost ground.

#sc accountability #of the two main partners in the s5 sequel the demon is definitely the one that's less unhinged

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scienter · 2 months

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I have most definitely worn you out with my endless asks but I have a short break from work & tvd nostalgia has sort of taken over me.Plus, I love how analytical your responses are. Please feel free not to respond if you don't want to.

Julie did an interview right before s6 finale where she talked about approaching s6 with two pitches:

1. if Nina decided to continue,they would end the season on a cliffhanger after a mass devastation caused everyone's lives to hang in balance and they wouldn't reveal who wasn't coming back until the end & then spend half of next season saying goodbye to " our character ".

2.If Nina said no,they would do what they had planned for half of next season in just one episode and instead of a cliffhanger,it would be the penultimate episode and then they would spend the finale saying all the goodbyes.In short,everything will be about Elena.

Since Nina left,they went with the second one.Now, hypothetically speaking,if Nina had stayed, who would have been that "our character" they had said goodbye to?You and I both know about the SE-ers claims/argument that SC happened BECAUSE Nina left and apparently PW has given validation to that argument.Taking cue from Plec's post-series finale interviews,it seemed they would have brought back that whole BS triangle all over again and "leave a choice". *snores*

In that case, what do you think would have happened? Would Elena have gone back to her same old "if I choose one, I lose the other" drama leading to the brothers choosing to die together for Elena,as envisioned by Plec and Kevin, when they wrote 2×22 OR, would it have been an entirely different character, depending on renewal &/or cancellation,simply for shock-value?

The first name that comes to my mind is Bonnie Bennett because TVD simply loved killing their sole WOC character.Apparently,Plec had planned her death in s5 and then backtracked.

The most impossible and unexpected one would be Caroline Forbes.As much as we want to believe the writers loved her,I think we all deep down know how much they actually loved baiting the various "shipper" fandoms,who lived vicariously through her,with all the Caroline-relationships.So her death wouldn't have been beneficial.Although,her death would,certainly, have been shocking.Not to mention,how much TVD/television writers alike loved/love killing key female characters left,right and centre either for manpain or to prop up other relationships.

I think Tyler would have been killed off because he was the most “expendable” character on the show.

The male characters outnumbered the female characters and I think the writers wanted some balance thus protecting Caroline and Bonnie.

Damon and Stefan had plot armor until the finale

JP stated many times that Matt was vital to the show because he was a human (they didn’t want just supernatural characters on the show).

Jeremy and Ric’s deaths were already explored. Killing them again wouldn't be shocking or push the narrative forward in any meaningful way.

Tyler was killed off in episode 8x03. If the writers were willing to kill Tyler off in the story they wrote, then the writers wouldn’t hesitate to kill him off in their possible alternative storylines.

As you said, killing Caroline would be an impossible and unexpected choice because she was so beloved and central to so many storylines (i.e. Caroline was the center of the most love triangles on the show). I don’t think they’d have the guts to do it. Think about killing Caroline? Sure. Doing so? No way. Caroline was the glue between TVD, TO, and Legacies. Elena may have been TVD’s protagonist, but Caroline is the keystone holding everything together.

#anon #ask #reply #anon for ts #ask for ts #reply for ts #tvd #tvd asks

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