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If you think about it, looking at Greyson's character arc as an average person with no single clue about the entire book series feels like you're reading a Florida Man news headline. Like what do you mean a fake Jesus Christ just stabbed a legal serial killer in the eye??? AND WITH A FUCKING FORK!?!?
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When Alecto woke up, she finished the sentence she'd started when she was put to rest. There's a continuity there, unbroken by her consciousness having moved on or shifted attention in the ten thousand years she was asleep or dead, despite her having been other people and done things in the interim. It reminds me of when Harrow woke up in the dream of Canaan House with her memory restored. It had been nine months, but by her perception she had only lost Gideon three days ago. She had split herself into two selves, but Harrow First and Harrow Secundarius were really all one Harrowhark wearing different clothes.
I think Alecto, Nona, the Body are the same way. They're all one person, separated by what they're wearing and what they can remember.
Alecto remembers everything up to her death, and she's wearing a body built for her as a prison out of her dirt and John's blood and bones.
Nona remembered nothing, and was wearing Harrow.
I think the Body was halfway between them. Her memory was vague, and she had no body. She knew things Harrow appeared not to, and seemed to recognize John, but she was confused when she tried to share information about herself. She was Alecto only half awake, summoned by a kiss from a crying child.
I'm looking forward to seeing how or if these three aspects of Alecto will mesh. The Alecto who woke up in the epilogue of Nona the Ninth didn't remember being Nona. She didn't recognize Harrow, or remember being the Body who followed Harrow for months, talking her through her fears and trying to hold her when she cried herself to sleep. Nona was afraid to become Alecto, because she didn't think she would know how to love anything, but that can't really be true. Every version of Alecto we've seen so far has done nothing but love. She just has to remember.
#having. Alecto thoughts#alecto the first#the body#the corse of the locked tomb#ntn spoilers#nona the ninth#the locked tomb#like... the stuff this series is doing with identity is fascinating#harrow referring to pre-lobotomy self in the past tense#alecto vs the body vs nona#camilla and palamedes and paul#kiriona and gideon#and then there's pyrrha#can't wait to see what the fuck is going on with Pyrrha and her memories and her concept of self
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NINTH SAINT TO SERVE THE KING UNDYING
#harrowhark nonagesimus#the locked tomb#tlt#harrow the ninth#tlt fan art#the locked tomb fan art#this is an accompaniment to my ianthe piece and also#i drew it cuz i was thinking about harrow's first days on the mithraeum pre and post lobotomy#and what she must have looked like#what people must have thought of her#your new saint looks like an underfed child#bleeds out of every orfice#uses her own blood to paint her face like a skull#murders anyone who touches her sword#anyway. i love harrow.#also tumblr compressed this like ASS!!!! please click for full size 🥺#image includes alt text#my art
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listen agki is not a fashionista but since tiamat likes wealth and hording and gold or whatever i just like draw her with a shit ton of jewerly and fancy attire... soon™
#maybe she was really extra pre-lobotomy and her and gortash were constantly competing over who was more dripped out....#thoughts are being thunk
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I just love the idea of pre-tadpoled Durge being so intense and repressed- their real emotions can only be implied between gritted teeth. And post lobotomy they come back unable to keep their thoughts to themselves, particularly around Gortash, giving him all these nice touches and compliments they couldn’t before, just admitting how they really think because they can’t remember to be embarrassed.
Durge: We were in love, weren’t we?
Gortash: …erm
Durge: Oh shit, we didn’t say it out loud?
Gortash: No. Instead, you said things like you would kill me last upon your fathers alter.
Durge: You know that’s a Bhaalian wedding ritual, right? Right!???
#I mean it could be really sweet and emotional if Durge gets more memories back#but it’s also hilarious#they’re gonna get Gortash thinking he should’ve lobotomized them earlier#just to hear sweet confessions#durgetash will never not be a dark comedy for me#bg3#durgetash#enver gortash#goretash#the dark urge#durge#baldurs gate 3#cats thoughts
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I keep thinking about The Body telling Harrow 'she told me not to tell you'. On my first listen through I assumed this was referring to Gideon, because I was looking for any proof of her.
On my second, I didn't even question it. But does that even make sense?
As I have stated before I don't believe Gideon can see/interact with Harrow's hallucinations the way Harrow can (and if she can see them, she can definitely distinguish between hallucinations and reality). It's also very OOC for her. Gideon was angry, Gideon would want Harrow to know she was there.
So the only she this 'she' could possibly refer to is pre-lobotomy Harrow. And that makes so much more sense! Of course pre-lobotomy Harrow would warn her own hallucinations not to tell post-lobotomy Harrow. Of course she would be referred to as a 'she' and not 'you' because she is 'dead.'
And now I'm crying about all the fail-safes Harrow put in place to preserve what she thought was Gideon's revenant. I love that mean little goth so much 🥹🥹
#harrow the ninth#harrow the ninth spoilers#htn#htn spoilers#tlt#tlt meta#htn meta#harrow the ninth meta#the locked tomb meta#harrowhark nonagesimus#gideon nav#the body#griddlehark#ship: one flesh one end bitch
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Hello! I saw you mention that Pyrrha remembers pre-resurrection, and I totally missed that!! Do you have any theories as to why?
I have a few thoughts!
Just for context - because I didn't catch that on my first read either until I started going back through! - there are a few instances that seem to suggest Pyrrha remembers at least some of her life pre-Resurrection. Off the top of my head, I know there's one point where she refers to G1deon as G--, just like John does. Nona also says that Pyrrha calls her "Hairy Maclary", which is referring to a series of children's books by a New Zealand author. Here's a link to a picture and some info about Hairy Maclary... I can definitely understand why Pyrrha would call Nona that lol. This one's super interesting to me in that it's such a fantastic example of the way Tamsyn uses memes and references so skillfully! In the previous books, most of the references are fairly organic in that they're things that could conceivably be, you know, just things the characters say; the readers catch it (if they also know the reference! otherwise they're fairly unobtrusive) but the characters themselves aren't intentionally making a reference. This would be the things like "You can't just ask someone why they want to be a Lyctor" and "a hunger that only thumbs could satisfy," etc. The exception, though, is John. The "none Houses with left grief" particularly is SO fun from an exposition perspective (but if I start on that one I'll never stop), and then of course we have Commander Wake Me Up Inside. The implication here being that John remembers these specific things and is intentionally making those references within the context of the story. Pulling that same expository trick with Pyrrha sets them up as both remembering... at least to some degree. The hints that we get from Pyrrha are such that it's pretty unclear to what extent she remembers, leaving a lot of room for juicy speculation :)
I initially touched on it over on this post where I rambled about names, memory, and the Eightfold Word, but I'm copying over the Pyrrha-specific paragraph so that you don't have to dig for it:
When assisting with Harrow’s lobotomy, Ianthe tells her, “If you push your brain too hard, any surgery could simply heal over.” And in NtN, Pyrrha tells Palamedes, “You should be draining and replacing her fucking brain fluid... When Gideon and I designed that trial, I used to crack his skull and sieve it myself, just as a control variable... The only other people I put through that damn trial were Mercy and Cris, because only Cris didn’t mind being trepanned on the regular.” I don’t know exactly where the threshold is for pushing one’s brain too hard, but I suspect frequently draining and replacing one’s brain fluid is in that ballpark. Which is to say, it’s very possible that Mercy and Pyrrha (and potentially others) could have healed over from anything John had done to their brains.
Also, I don't know why this didn't occur to me as I was writing up that other post, but when Pyrrha's telling Palamedes about how dangerous their uhhhhh living arrangements are, and how they're risking brain damage... Pyrrha and G1deon were operating under somewhat similar circumstances for thousands of years. Cumulatively, it's possible that G1deon's brain was racking up damage that eventually eroded away whatever John had done. Another thought is that maybe the fact that G1deon died and Pyrrha didn't is at play here.
It could very well be less dramatic than that, though. We don't know much about how Lyctorhood impacts the brain, although to be completely fair, we also can't say for certain how a typical human brain would function after ten thousand years of runtime either. Our brains are constantly wiring new neural pathways and rewiring and revising old ones. After thousands of years, might we be reaching a Ship of Theseus situation with regard to the neural circuitry impacting pre-Res memories? Which is a fancy way of saying, "Maybe it wore off."
It could be all of the above, too. Assuming that Lyctor brains retain plasticity like we see in typical human brains (and I'm not letting myself think too hard on implications either way, because in sci-fi/fantasy make-believe land, neuroscience can be whatever you want it to be), we'd probably see that effect happening with the other Lyctors at roughly the same rate, but at least as far as we can tell (and that wording is intentional because I'm not taking anything off the table with this series), the others don't seem to remember. So that might be contributing, but not sufficient on its own. BUT perhaps ten thousand years of rewiring PLUS ten thousand years of cohabitation PLUS however long of being "trepanned on the regular" PLUS G1deon dying might override John's meddling.
We've still got so many open questions here regardless of what the specific mechanisms are. Like, I'd love to know when Pyrrha started to remember exactly. And did G1deon remember anything, then? It seems like he was Straight Up Not Having a Good Time so if he did remember, he might not have been relying on those memories much. Whatever's going on, I'm sure it's just as bonkers as the rest of the series!
#'in sci-fi/fantasy make-believe land neuroscience can be whatever you want it to be' i whisper repeatedly to myself#after spending like two hours this afternoon formatting datasets from the neuroscience lab i work in#nah but for real i have zero issue with that kinda stuff being. you know. fictional. i just need to not go down that rabbit hole lol#also sorry about sneaking a little bonus ramble about meme usage in there#believe it or not i had more about that but took it out because it wasn't directly relevant lol#also to the other anon that's sitting in my inbox: I PROMISE I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN#it's just... you opened a hefty can of worms and it's gonna take me a while lmao#ask#anonymous#tlt meta#pyrrha dve#nona the ninth spoilers#tlt#long post
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wonder how many times cas got put in the pre-lobotomy jail. with all the (metaphorical) noggin drilling, he must've been on timeout a fair amount too. although its heaven, going straight to factory reset isn't something i'd put past them. still think the thought of cas being put in a heavenly corner is funny to me, however.
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-another layer of 'ow ah ouch' to everything pyrrha says about lyctorhood in nona the ninth is that she and g1deon may very well have been the first necro-cav duo to have done it fully mutually consensually, eyes open. it's heavily implied mercy and augustine had their hands forced by cristabel and alfred and wouldn't have done it otherwise ("I have built a myriad on the idea that I could have talked him out of it, given five minutes"), and they're the first and second saints... g1deon's the third. he and pyrrha presumably saw what it did to mercy and augustine, and they still decided to go through with it.
I WILL REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME YOU KISSED ME—YOU APOLOGISED—YOU SAID, I AM SORRY, DESTROY ME AS I AM, BUT I WANT TO KISS YOU BEFORE I AM KILLED, AND I SAID TO YOU WHY, AND YOU SAID, BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY ONCE MET SOMEONE SO UTTERLY WILLING TO BURN FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN, AND I LOVED HIM ON SIGHT, AND THE FIRST TIME I DIED I ASKED OF HIM WHAT I NOW ASK OF YOU
imagine the extra weight over the years in knowing you chose this. at least augustine can cling to that desperate fantasy world where he did stop alfred in time, but pyrrha and g1deon thought they knew exactly what they were doing. they thought it was love. john let them think that was love.
-...do you think mercymorn and augustine begged john for the same thing harrow did, after? Please, undo what I've done, Lord. I will never ask anything of you ever again. (Also one of my all time favorite Harrow moments where she gets to ask the question they aren't allowed to for ten thousand years: How dare you ask me to live with it?) did he comfort them? tell them he's so incredibly sorry, but he needs them?
at least pyrrha’s understanding of how the process works does corroborate his claim that he can’t extract a cavalier’s soul from their necromancer's after the lyctorhood is complete without destroying both souls, which I guess makes for the one thing he isn’t totally lying about lol. though while referencing their own situation paul tells ianthe there's still hope for her and naberius, a duo where the soul absorption did seem to complete, which suggests another layer here john might not know about (out of lack of interest?) or doesn't want anyone else to find out about.
actually let's reexamine some things from the Gideon the Ninth epilogue now in light of Nona I'm on a roll here:
-[God] said, "I know you became a Lyctor under duress."
"Some may call it duress," said Harrow.
"You aren't the first," said the Emperor.
screaming. howling. clawing at him like a wild animal. the two people who have loved you the most, and you stood by and watched as this happened to them, as you engineered it to happen to them, you've seen up close what it did to them, and now you're repeating the process with new children a myriad later without a blush. you suck so bad john I have no words fhksajfhsa.
-"I have three teachers for you. And a whole universe for you to hold on to, for just a little while longer."
a) oh yeah just wait for those three teachers they're a real barrel of laughs they probably won't even try to repeatedly murder you or anything lmao and b) what's that supposed to mean john. 'for just a little while longer'. why does it only have to be a little while longer. as far as I can tell you're no closer to the fullness of your revenge than ever. does it have anything to do with 'good morning, annabel' and 'it gets dirty, you clean it again'?
So, the universe was ending. Good. At least if she failed here, she would no longer have to be beholden to anybody.
could this also be some kind of foreshadowing? from the dialogue on page here harrow's conclusion that the universe is, for sure, ending is not necessarily a natural conclusion (john only speaks of the empire slowly dying) so like... does pre-lobotomy harrow know something we don't? or is it just that she's the saddest person anyone's ever seen pre-nona seeing gideon? (most heartbreaking shade of drift compatability discovered :') )
-He said presently, "Most of my Lyctors have been destroyed by a war I thought best to fight slowly, through attrition. I have lost my Hands -- not just to death. The loneliness of deep space takes its toll on anyone, and the necrosaints have all put up with it for longer than anybody should ever be asked to bear anything. That's why I wanted only those who had discovered the cost, and were willing to pay it in the full knowledge of what it would entail."
so... in the same way g1deon and pyrrha decided to pay that price willingly, then. I am 100% calling bullshit on him here, though, because if any of that had been his real intentions he would have taken at least a modicum of time and energy to write ANYTHING to that effect in the invitations haha. but I think he does recognize in some way that mercy and augustine are burning out under the ten thousand years he's asked of them, like cytherea just did, and maybe mistakenly thinks g1deon is handling it better, because his and pyrrha's decision seemed more informed/less coerced? loveday always knew it was her life or cytherea's, after all, that wasn't ever a real choice either. huh.
-god, harrow literally states all her (frankly very modest and doable) goals and needs to him -- to return to the ninth at least once, to find her cavalier's body, and to figure out what happened to the other survivors of canaan house -- and once she is incapable of remembering them........ he does fucking NOTHING to remind her or help her follow up on any of them fhsdkajfhasdkj I am losing it! at least there is the delicious irony that he could have saved himself a massive headache if he had helped her with any of these, so his own fecklessness and narcissism is its own punishment in this case I suppose lmao
-another observation: harrow is not as deferential or worshipful towards God in this epilogue as she will be in HtN or beyond. she's angry with him! she's kind of sharp and a bit rude, even! she seems more to feel begrudgingly beholden to him because fair enough he is god I guess than to emotionally buy into it as sacred service. I wonder how she'll think of him after nona the ninth, now that she knows him so much better and has more of herself too -- ironically my sense from their last scene in nona the ninth is that her worship of him seems to have all but disappeared, but she loves him more, despite uh the everything of him, in all his awfulness. not in that she doesn't recognize him for what he is or that she wants his approval anymore, she's grown so far past him already, but I do think there's still love there. 'I still love you' is the real power he has, I guess
#the locked tomb#the locked tomb spoilers#nona the ninth spoilers#nona spoilers#nona the ninth#ntn spoilers#pyrrha dve#gideon the first#john gaius#harrowhark nonagesimus#mercymorn the first#augustine the first#this is just how my life works right now I'll sit around innocently and then just BAM locked tomb thoughts sparking in my brain
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thoughts on the fourth match flame egos?
Oh baby, a triple. And a LobCorp abno as well! Let's see if I can make this one the longest out of all of them.
Also I got like three asks about this E.G.O so I probably should get to it huh.
Yeets you under the cut.
Alright, let's start by talking about Scorched Girl. This is an Abnormality all the way back from Lobotomy Corporation, and one which reappeared in Library of Ruina. As such, there's some material we gotta sift through. And by we I mean me. I'm the one doing the work here.
As is fitting for an Abnormality based on the fairytale of The Little Match Girl, the main themes of this abno are innocence, abandonment, hope for a better life, and the eventual snuffing out of that hope by life's cruelty.
However, this is where LobCorp twists the tale into something else, as while all of those themes apply to Scorched Girl, there is a major addition that recontextulizes all of the above. The bitter despair that follows when one is crushed, and the want to burn everyone's else's hopes and happiness in a fit of directionless revenge against the world.
While probably not as direct when applied to the Sinners, this theme of lashing out in the face of losing hope seems important enough to keep in mind.
Now, while I don't usually look too deeply into the visual designs of the E.G.Os, as the differences are oftentimes subtle... I feel like I need to do it here, because Fourth Match Flame has this little quirk of being Project Moon's special little Advertisement E.G.O where they gave each Sinner using it a unique design.
Also, not joking when I call this the advertisement E.G.O, almost all (if not actually all) pre-release material that showed previews of E.G.Os was of the Fourth Match Flame E.G.Os.
Let's go in the order that the E.G.Os were unlocked on the Battle Pass, shall we?
When Rodya uses Fourth Match Flame, her outfit turns into what I can best describe as a ballroom dress wreathed in flames, complete with matching tall gloves made of ash. It gives off this idea of opulence, of fancy balls that only the rich are invited to. Applying Scorched Girl's theme of a hope for a better life here, this could signify that this is the kind of life Rodya deeply wishes for. One where money isn't an issue, where she and her neighbours can live comfortably without worrying when their next meal will be.
Yi Sang's Fourth Match Flame puts him in a labcoat, specifically the kind of getup you'd see Ayin in, and if you're past Canto IV, Sang Yi as well. Funny Yi Sang Ayin comparison memes aside, I think Canto IV really helps apply this to the theme of hope for a better life. Because that is the kind of life Yi Sang wishes for. One where he can simply research for no other purpose than the joy it brings him. The fact that his outfit here specifically mimics Sang Yi's, aka the version of himself that Yi Sang views as perfect, further adds to that idea.
Finally, we have Ryoshu, the one we know the least about out of the three, and the one I can tell the least about from her Fourth Match Flame outfit. The best way I can describe it is... that it feels soft. Warm. There's a sort of simplicity to it that gives me nostalgic and innocent vibes, but I can't exactly put it to words why. While we don't have Ryoshu's backstory yet, and thus can't pinpoint what life she's hoping for the way we could for Rodya and Yi Sang, I think those vibes alone paint a certain picture. I think Ryoshu wishes to go back to a time that she associates with warmth and softness.
If we assume that Ryoshu, just like Yoshihide in Hell Screen, had a daughter who had tragically passed... Perhaps that's what her Fourth Match Flame alludes to her wanting to go back to.
Another interesting thing to note about the appearance of the E.G.Os is a notable contrast between the background for Rodya's Fourth Match Flame, compared to that of Yi Sang and Ryoshu. For the latter, the village in the background is already burnt down. It's already smoldering and covered in ash. For Rodya however, it's in the middle of bursting into flames.
Considering how for Scorched Girl the flame on her match signifies her hope, with it running out meaning she no longer has any, I think this detail is important. For Yi Sang and Ryoshu, the source of their hope is already gone. We know Yi Sang's League is already gone, and we can assume that is also the case for Ryoshu's daughter. Rodya, however? She still has hope to fight for. Though many of her neighbors have died, there are likely those who still survived. Those who still need her help. Those who she can share that better life she wishes for with.
Now, let's look at the Sins, genuinely my favorite part of the analysis I think.
All of the Fourth Match Flame E.G.Os are Wrath damage, Wrath being the Sin associated with actions done out of self-rightousness and defiance. It's the sin of deciding things need to change simply because you want them to. This, of course, applies to Scorched Girl on many levels.
The two most important ways Scorched Girl ties back to the concept of Limbus's idea of Wrath are both in its potrayal of hope. The idea of acting on your hope for a better life, to refuse what you currently have because you wish for something better, and the following lashing out at everyone else when that hope is snuffed out, as you believe that nobody deserves happiness if you can't have it.
As for the Sin requirements... Hoo boy there's a lot. All three of the Fourth Match Flame users require Wrath, with Ryoshu and Rodya both requiring Pride, and the latter also needing a bit of Envy. Yi Sang, on the other hand, requires Sloth and Gluttony instead.
Strap in lads, I got a lot to analyze.
Wrath is, of course, the most important ingredient to all of this. To be able to use Fourth Match Flame in the first place, one needs the self-rightousness and/or defiance to say that their hopes Do Matter, or that everyone else's Do Not.
Rodya is very clearly applying Wrath in the first way, her actions of lashing out against injustice being perfectly summarized by her murdering the pawnbroker. Defying how the Yurodiviye wanted to change the world, and instead taking the matters into her own hands, trying to make her wishes into reality herself.
Ryoshu is a little bit harder to tell, but I think it might be the latter way. While her current obsession with violence in the from of art could have developed for multiple reasons, it's likely that the despair she felt after losing her daughter was at least one of them. Having lost her own hope, she decided to tear down the delusional hopes of everyone else around her, revealing to them just how cruel and ugly the reality truly is through her art.
Yi Sang's case seems quite interesting to me. I think the fact that his Fourth Match Flame E.G.O requires the most Wrath out of all of them is no coincidence. After All, Yi Sang is the most passive out of these three, and he struggled to properly stand up for himself. However, Canto IV shows us that once Yi Sang's truly had enough, he Has Had Enough. In this way, I think this E.G.O represents Yi Sang's boiling point. The moment his quiet seething at his horrible situation finally drowns out his hopelessness and lets him lash out, if only for a brief moment.
Let's move on to Rodya and Ryoshu's Pride requirement. Pride as a Sin represents actions done purely for their benefits, with their negative consequences being ignored. This I think describes how both Rodya and Ryoshu lash out perfectly.
Rodya's act of murdering the pawnbroker and aligning reality with her hopes is done purely because of the perceived immediate benefit of it. To take the pawnbroker's money, to free her neighbourhood of the pawnbroker's reign. However, in doing so Rodya overlooks the consequences of killing off a member of the Middle's family, leading to even more harm being brought to those she wished to help.
Ryoshu's Pride presents slightly differently, but still is just as obvious. Her art has the main purpose of tearing down the delusional hopes of others and exposing the gruesomeness of reality, something that Ryoshu seems to actively strive for. However, in the process of doing so, Ryoshu neglects to care for the harm she inflicts on the way. She doesn't care how many people she has to hurt or kill in the process, the purpose of her art always outweighs the losses to her.
I think the inclusion of Envy as Rodya's Sin requirement for Fourth Match Flame further helps contextualize her actions. Envy represents actions done in reaction to other people and their actions. Rodya's attempt at aligning reality with her wish for a better life isn't motivated purely by herself, but it's also a reaction to the people around her. It's a reaction to the pawnbroker's selfish greed. It's a reaction to Sonya and the Yurodiviye's apathetic inaction. And of course, it's a reaction to the suffering her neighbours have been going through.
Now, time to look at our special boy Yi Sang, who decided to have two Sin requirements that don't match the rest of the Fourth Match Flame users. For a good reason too, as he stands out as the odd one out in this line up.
Yi Sang's Sloth requirement is easy to understand, with just how much it applies to him. Sloth represents inaction and actions done out of apathy. Sloth is also unique in how it interacts with Wrath, as the inclusion of one will recontextualize the other. In this case, it paints Yi Sang's defiance as somewhat hollow. It gives off the feeling that, despite lashing out, Yi Sang still believes that it won't matter in the end. His actions of tearing things down are still dripping with hopelessness.
Then, there's the Gluttony requirement. The thing with Gluttony is that Limbus provides two equally as important interpretations of it - actions fueled by the neverending wish for More, or actions fueled by the need for Survival. Both of those can be considered to be actions fueled by a form of Hunger.
In the case of Yi Sang, I believe the Hunger driving him is that of Survival. In reality, Yi Sang's act of hopeless defiance is a call for help. His Fourth Match Flame E.G.O represents his will to live trying to lash out at the world around him, trying to scream No, I Want Better Than This! in the face of his hopeless situation.
Just like I don't think it's a coincidence that Yi Sang needs the most Wrath out of everyone to use Fourth Match Flame, I also don't think it's a coincidence that the amount of required Sloth equals the amount of required Gluttony. It represents his constant internal struggle between his hopeless apathy and hopeful will to live.
A battle that Canto IV finally gives us the winner of.
#limbus company#limbus company project moon#yi sang#yi sang lcb#rodya#rodion lcb#ryoshu#ryoshu lcb#fourth match flame ego#lcb analysis#lcb canto iv#lcb spoilers#ask#anon#lu speaketh#ya'll really wanted this one
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Have you ever noticed, that the first three letters of Goddard’s name is “God”? You know what else has “God” as their first three letters in their name? Godzilla.
Goddard likes to destroy buildings and ruin people’s lives. You know who also likes to destroy buildings and ruin people’s lives? Godzilla.
Goddard has zero balls to actually do anything good. You know who also has zero balls? Godzilla.
Goddard became more aggressive when his body changed during the Thunderhead and the Toll. You know who also got pissed when their entire body changed? Godzilla.
People are scared of Goddard but you know who else people are scared of? Godzilla.
My conclusion is Goddard is secretly Godzilla in disguise. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
#arc of a scythe#aoas#pre lobotomy thought#scythe goddard#godzilla#everything i say is canon#because fuck neal!
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I've just had a thought.
Many fan depictions of Alecto- especially pre-Nona, where her appearance being modeled after Hollywood Hair Barbie was confirmed- depict Alecto with dark brown or black hair and golden eyes.
With John's Hollywood-Hair-Barbie confirmation that Alecto's hair is Yellow, we know that she has Golden hair. We also know that John's eyes, which are black-lined-with-white, were originally Alecto's, and Alecto's golden eyes were originally John's.
Harrowhark has black eyes, not unlike Alecto's natural eyes. She also has black hair, like John- and post-lysis, when she absorbs Gideon's eye color, she has black hair and golden eyes. And when she's in the midst of absorbing Gideon's soul, and thus her eye color, before the lobotomy, they're partially black and partially gold- black-lined-with-gold. A perfect inverse to Alecto's hair and eye color.
Maybe some version of this "Harrow is Alecto" theory is closer to reality than we thought.
#the locked tomb#tlt#the locked tomb spoilers#tlt spoilers#harrow#harrow the ninth#harrowhark nonagesimus#alecto#alecto the first#alecto theories#Alecto the Ninth
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Wait wait wait the implication that Bhaal (via Sceleritas Fel) is explicitly rewarding the Dark Urge for killing Alfira, and that them being rewarded for violence is something that has happened multiple times before. I've thought about dog motifs for Dirge (my Dark Urge) before but this is just fully getting pavloved and trained to associate violence with positive things (like rewards from your evil absent father figure!). Which also. We all know the Dark Urge has murder urges--it's in the goddamn name--but if they had been truly, 100% into it from the get-go pre-lobotomy, they wouldn't need bribery or training, they would just *do it*.
#BARKBARKBARKBARK#bg3#the dark urge#bg3 spoilers#sceleritas fel#oc. Dirge#dirge#Nature vs nurture babeeyyyy#Also the dog association is funnier because. Dirge is romancing astarion. Whose personality is literally#Inspired by a cat.
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Coronabeth really works so well as a foil for Gideon what with the like...
Ianthe had two choices: to kill a person she loved (if in a somewhat unhealthy, codependent way) or kill a person she doesn’t give a shit about, and she chose to save the person she loves - she pretty explicitly spared Corona’s life out of love and bc she doesn’t want her to get hurt. But Corona is completely unable to comprehend this and instead views it as a rejection of herself: “Why did she take Babs and not me? Why did she not want me as her cavalier?” She wants you to live your life, dumbass
And then Harrow had two choices: to completely subsume Gideon, or to put the process off and keep Gideon’s soul alive by making herself forget her. Harrow lobotomized herself, fucking up her own Lyctorhood, bc her grief seemed impossible to bear, but also bc she had some desperate hope that there might be some way to save Gideon (hence why pre-lobotomy Harrow wrote a note for Gideon: she thought there could at least be some possibility that Gideon might come back.) But Gideon is completely unable to comprehend this and instead views it as a rejection of herself,,
#the locked tomb#harrow the ninth#coronabeth is so much gideon's foil that she now literally owns gideon's foil as in her rapier. it is naught subtle#posts by me#harrow is out here like ''the grief of what i had to do to gideon is tearing me apart. she's gone and i can't live like this''#and gideon is like ''wow harrow doesn't want me :/ it's bc she likes the corpse better :/''
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I’m never going to get over the first time you see a pre-sephirah breakdown flashback in Lobotomy Corporation. Ayin does a lot more horrible shit later on but nothing compares to the visceral horror the first one evokes. An image of Elijah, bleeding on the ground, desperately begging Ayin to kill her to end her suffering... and then three options appear. You’ve done this before- you can pick whichever you want, and it doesn’t really matter. Maybe a line or two of dialogue will change, but that’s all... “in a scenario like this, maybe my choice will have a bigger impact,” you might think. Except here, all three options are the same:
Ignore her.
Ignore her.
Ignore her.
It’s not the illusion of a choice; they’re all identical. There’s nothing to choose. But it’s not the same as if there hadn’t been anything there at all, and you just got to advance the scene and watch Ayin be a terrible person on his own. No, no, it’s there to hammer home the fact that given a choice, Ayin would never have done anything different. He wouldn’t have even considered doing anything different.
Ignore her. Ignore her. Ignore her.
That’s just the kind of person Ayin is- the kind of person YOU are. And you’ll do it again, and again, and again, perpetuating suffering without a second thought. But as it keeps happening, you become desensitized to it. Yeah, here’s the part where Ayin does something awful, what’s it gonna be now- oh, probing the brain? Okay. It’s never as jarring as the first one.
in conclusion
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Alecto the Ninth News
Part Three
If you haven't read part one, click here. If you are looking for part two, click here.
So in this edition of Alecto news via interviews, we are focusing on our wet rat worship. That's right CW: Ianthe Tridentarius
Screenshots, links and commentary under the cut.
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Source: Vox Bookclub Podcast
• Things will be different and Ianthe will be a piece of shit. This feels like a freebie.
Source: Vox Bookclub Podcast
• This interview is pre Nona, so we know Ianthe is going to just be villainous in Alecto.
Source LA Book Review
• A lot of bold promises of Ianthe getting worse. I hope she delivers in a spectacularly shitty fashion.
Source LA Book Review
•They are referencing the Ianthe POV scene of giving Harrow her lobotomy. I just thought the fact that Ianthe’s interest in Harrow putting Harrow into danger was such an interesting point I hadn't thought about. What is her intention with Harrow. What is this favor she will call upon? This is a plot that has not reached its conclusion so I definitely think it needs to be considered ATN info.
Source Reddit AMA 2022
• Tamsyn can't talk about the relationship between Gideon and Ianthe because spoiler, so definitely getting explored more like we all wanted and won't answer if Nona was Gideons first kiss...which seems shiesty. But maybe not.
And that's it. That's what I've compiled from a couple hours of sleuthing interviews.
Again I definitely didn't relisten to all podcast interviews nor did I look through her editors Twitter, so I could have definitely missed something. I also remember a transcribed interview for industry people or librarians or something...a question about if Harrow had an ass and Tamsyn being aghast[anyway, point being i couldn't find that one]
If you have anything to add, please do! I know I'm feasting on the crumbs while trying not to go absolutely insane. Hope that you all found this enjoyable and don't find my speculation and commentary too distracting.
#the locked tomb#tlt#tlt meta#alecto theories#alecto the ninth speculation#alecto the ninth#self post
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