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incensuous · 8 months

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Literally just here to say 'cheers' for defending Cercei in your tags. I dropped GoT in S3 but alas I couldn't escape Tumblr-watching it and the hatred Cercei got in comparison to Jaimie infuriated me. It's like they watched a different show. Some actually went as far as to claim she groomed him. A twin groomed their twin. Apparently we're just using words now with no account for what they actually mean. They compare Jaimie's attempt to be a better person with Cercei's apparent devolution, which is an interesting reverse parallel to delve into from a character analysis point, but if the whole comparison is a surface scratch for the sole purpose of drawing the conclusion that 'Cercei=bad, Jaimie=good' and 'CerceixJaimie=bad, JaimiexBrienne=good', the point had been missed by miles, the so-called analysis gets a F. Jaimie didn't have to stay at whatever the place with the Iron Throne is called (I really did drop it in S3), didn't have to face humiliation, punishment, all the while being a woman and thus inferior in the GoT society. He was never forced to have sex with or marry a woman he didn't want. He spent time away, with a person that was a actually good and honorable (I have no problem with either Brienne or BriennexJaimie). No matter what he went through during that time, he got away. Cercei, even as a queen by herself, never broke free. I by no means excuse Cercei. But Jaimie is not a better person. He's not more deserving of freedom, of a good life, of a 'good, right' relationship than Cercei. He always had more freedom than she ever did and he chose to be with her, to start and maintain his relationship with her, when he had other options. His reasons for the choices he made were his own, but he had a choice and that's big. It's really really big that he could potentially just walk away. Just do something different, be with whoever he wanted. Cercei never did. You're not actually free to choose when you have to do it in secret.

Cercei actually deserved to have Jaimie by her side. She got punished for their relationship. She suffered losing all their children. And in the end, no matter how they may try to spin it out frame it, Jaimie loved Cercei. It wasn't one-sided. And they were always equals in maturity. They've been together for years and I hardly think either one of them could have been the bad twin seducing the good twin when they got together.

Bet you did not see this ridiculously long ask coming when you defended Cercei in this context. It's just so rare to see anyone not frame her as some kind of predator or evil influence in her relationship with Jaimie. The rant just came out. Thanks for listening!

afkajbdfklajbdf i have to pack but i just absolutely could not leave this ask sitting in my inbox! all amazing points, i literally cannot add anything more. i may add some thoughts to this at a later time when im not needing to pack!!!!! thank you for sending me this!!!

#shipcest #lannistercest #i did not anticipate this ask BUT YOU BEST BELIEVE I CHERISH when this happens!#anon #replies

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chilled-ice-cubes · 2 months

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something in me recoils at the idea of jaime having a beard (by this i mean picture perfect kingsguard jaime, not traipsing through the riverlands jaime) like cersei gets off on the whole mirror image thing, she would make him shave every single fuzzy hair

#that's all #asoiaf #anya.txt #lannistercest

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zmediaoutlet · 11 months

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Hi! Happy belated wincest Wednesday! Totally didn’t get around to it yesterday…so feel free to answer next week!

Not sure if you’ve done something similar before, but how do you think their dynamic would be different if they’d been twins? What about in your Hal-verse?

hallo hallo happy wincest wednesday anonymous wincest bud

I think their dynamic would be WILDLY different if they were twins, because even if they still retain the essential character traits of loyal/rebellious, even if they still retain their celestial roles as Michael's vessel and Lucifer's, even if Dean still stays home with Dad and Sam runs away -- the starting premise of their relationship in canon is that Sam's put into Dean's arms to run out of that burning house, and how can that be so if they're twins?

It seriously rocks the dynamic. Even if you go with Dean being ten minutes older or whatever and so you still get to go with goofy "I'm older!" // "Barely!" jokes -- Dean looking out for Sam and being John's helpmeet during childhood is a really essential part of their characters, both in how Dean loves and resents the role and in how Sam strains against the restriction while relying on it for comfort/reassurance. If they're the same age -- what happens? Dean might still be the one who really engages in training and hunting and Sam might still push away from it and want to get away, but John's going to use both of them on hunts if they're the right age, or be forced to leave both of them home. They might be closer, in some ways, but on the other hand we lose that unequal footing that I'm actually realizing is one of my favorite elements of their relationship even as I write this ask -- it's essential to me that Dean has parts of his life that Sam doesn't see at all, and of course vice versa, and it's so so so important that they have a venn diagram instead of a full overlap. Like that's what creates their relationship. It's why ageswaps (where Sam's older, always written honestly so that Sam topping is more 'obvious' [when it was always obvious, c'mon]) never really work for me -- Dean is Sam's older sibling and it just. Informs everything.

That said, let's just... magically plop them into a scenario where they're twins and pretend that their personalities would be legible in that case, and of course of course they'd be super close and they'd surely fucknasty and of course in a halmanverse Sam would be there for Dean's first heat and it wouldn't even be a question, he'd roll over and slide his fingers in and press his face against Dean's face from behind and ask if that felt good, does that help?, and Dean'd get his first abortion real, real early. Whoops. But in the same way that I'm writing a Deanna/Sam fic where the boundaries are basically nonexistent, the twincest (halman or otherwise) boundaries haven't even been heard of.

Also, while I generally trash people suspecting physical wincest because pretty much no one would assume two ostensibly straight brothers are fucking -- in the twinverse I think that'd be more likely, and in the halman-twinverse it'd be REALLY likely, to the point that Sam might more often introduce Dean as his wife and Dean would elbow him at first but honestly, it sounds -- it feels...

So. Unsatisfying answer? :D

#happy wincest wednesday #answers #twins sam and deanna also obv fucking from sam's first erection #i guess we could go to lannistercest for this one #but i don't think either sam or dean would 'lead' necessarily #it'd just be like -- of course #who else would they turn to?

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daenystheedreamer · 2 years

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looked up emma darcy and was asaulted with the fact i forgot to blacklist daemyra. im sure there are people who are normal about it and are writing like beautiful meta or something but actually i dont want to see posts about the incest ship that everyone likes because the actors are hot

#incest tw #EVERYONE HATED LANNISTERCEST I THOUGHT YOU MFS WERE NORMAL!! APPARENTLY NOT!!#should have remembered jon//sa...should have known......

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lovelyladyabsinthewrites · 1 year

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A Mouse in a Lion’s Den Pt.11

Pairing(s): Rhaegar Targaryen x Lannister!Reader, implied Rhaegar Targaryen x Lyanna Stark, Jaime Lannister x Cersei Lannister, one sided!Jaime Lannister x Lannister!Reader Warnings: implied lannistercest Words: 2669 Summary: You settle into married life Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 12 Part 13 Part 14 Part 15 Part 16 Part 17 Part 18

Book One of Heir of Ash and Fire

You had no clue as to why your family was still a week after the wedding. You had assumed that immediately after the wedding that your father would take himself and Cersei back to Casterly Rock. It was obvious that they would rather be anywhere else besides in the royal city. So why had they not left yet? Their presence was putting a damper on your newlywed glow. You and Rhaegar heavily enjoyed one another’s embrace in private which made the both of you reluctant to ever leave your room. Partly due to the activities that ensued when you closed your chamber doors, but also because neither of you wanted to be around your family. There seemed to be an unspoken aggressiveness between Jaime and Rhaegar. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that your husband resented your brother for having been the one to witness your bedding. And as for Jaime? You didn’t know why he glared so viciously at Rhaegar.

At least you were able to spend time with Tyrion. You’d cherish every moment you had with him considering you didn’t know when he’d be stripped away from you. You didn’t much like the looks you got at court though when you would walk around with your little brother. They all regarded him with malcontent as if the very sight of him was to dirty them. You wanted to snap at them. The fire that had been lit inside you was still burning brightly. Now more than ever and you found yourself becoming more confident. Even brave enough to scowl venomously at those who looked at your brother like he was an urchin. There was still a lot you had to learn though. True back at Dragonstone you had been groomed in the event which you would become queen. It was different now. Lessons would be put into play as you now entered the game of thrones. You were a legitimate piece now. You would have to learn more if you were to survive for long. A part of you would think sometimes of how it would be if Cersei were to have wed Rhaegar. You could only imagine the type of opponent she would be. She was already fierce and intimidating. Her eyes could pierce through anyone and her looks could garner her any type of ally that she could use and manipulate.

What did you have to offer? You couldn’t rely on Rhaegar to protect you in the game. There would be people who would try to get to you.

You didn’t have deadly beautiful looks like Cersei. You even doubted that you had half of her wit and smarts.

You would have to learn fast. Earn your place as Rhaegar’s queen.

“Why do you have such a serious look on your face?”

Rhaegar’s teasing lilt brings you back to your current position. You had thought he was asleep as you should’ve been after the intense round of. . . well, married activity, that the two of you had done.

Hair white like snow was splayed on his crimson pillow, not a knot in sight. Bare torso still out in the open while your soft sheets covered his lower half yet you could still see the outline of. . .

With a bit of force you pull your eyes away from that area to gaze at your husband’s handsome face. You’d never get used to waking up next to him. There were a lot of things you were sure you’d never get used to regarding Rhaegar.

You ease back so that you were laying down on your mattress and roll onto your side to face Rhaegar. “Just wishing my father and sister would leave. They make me uneasy. There’s no reason for them to be here. Aerys no longer has use of him.”

“Just think of it this way, as long as they’re here that means Tyrion is here too.” Rhaegar smiles. “He’s already such a witty kid.”

“He makes me feel stupid.” You giggle in agreement. Tyrion was already so much smarter than you. You didn’t really feel too bad about it though. You felt pride at the fact. It made you sad to know that your father would never let Tyrion become the lord of Casterly Rock.

Just like he probably never wanted you to marry Rhaegar.

Both you and Tyrion were of lower status’ in your father’s eyes.

You remember what Cersei had said the morning of your wedding. How your birth had ruined your mother’s womb which resulted in Tyrion’s deformity. That your family had been perfect before you entered the world.

And then you had slapped her.

You had to keep telling yourself that everything that had spewed out of her mouth were lies. Your mother had loved you. That was enough for you. That love was no lie. You still felt it. The warmth of her hugs and the comfort you got from her voice.

Gingerly you lift your hand up to brush a stray curl of silver hair from Rhaegar’s smooth forehead. His strong fingers wrap around your wrist and he brings your palm down to his lips. Soft and gentle. That’s how he always treated you. You tried not to get your hopes up. Hope that maybe he could romantically love you. Actions like that though made it difficult to take things in stride. It made you feel loved.

There’s a knock to your shared room that ruins the peaceful tranquility that you and Rhaegar had formed.

Rhaegar smiles patiently, shaking his head. “Ah, I was wondering when someone was going to come and ruin this.”

After a quick ‘come in’ from Rhaegar, the door opens and you immediately pull the covers over yourself. Griff walks in, serious faced as usual and you knew he was fighting the urge to glare at you. “Your Grace, a letter from the Lord of Storm’s End. As well as one from Winterfell.”

Winterfell.

You try not to internally bristle at the mention of the land where the true affection of Rhaegar’s heart was.

The rolled letters were handed over to Rhaegar who had since risen from bed revealing his naked glory. He cracks the wax seal open and unravels the first one. There’s a small grin that tugs at the corner of his mouth. “It was a travesty when Steffon Baratheon passed. He was a good man, but he would never have gone for what we have planned. Unlike the young buck Robert.”

“He has been known to be quite. . . battle hungry. He’s young and rash but is also a good warrior in battle.” Griff eyes you in a manner that said he didn’t want you to be hearing any of this. “Shall I let you compose yourself before we discuss this further?”

His eyes still down Rhaegar nods absentmindedly. “Yes yes. Let me just read this one really quick.”

The letter from Winterfell. Your mind was screaming that it was from Lyanna. That he was still in contact with her. That he was still in love with her. Bitterness ignited you. You curl under your blankets and turn your back away from them.

“Sensible those Starks are. It can be quite infuriating sometimes.” You heard him comment. “They’ll be harder to win over.”

“Perhaps the Lady Lyanna-”

“Give me a moment Griff.” Rhaegar cuts him off. “We shall mull over this at a later time when I am not as nude as a babe.”

Obediently, Griff leaves his prince but you knew he was waiting on the other side of the door for when his Silver Prince called upon him.

There’s rustling of fabric before you sense Rhaegar sitting on the bed beside you, his hand on the plane of your back. “Rest. I shall see you at dinner.”

You feign sleep; it was easier than replying to him. Not for the first time you wondered if he had ever touched Lyanna the way he had touched you.

Your nails curl into your palm so harshly you felt the sting of each digit. Once you heard the door open and close you sit up and throw your crimson sheets off of your body in search of your robe. You call for Thalina.

“My, you’re up far too early. Normally you and the prince are in there until midday!”

You blush furiously at her comment. “That’s an exaggeration Thalina. Now help me get dressed. I wish to see my brother.”

He felt the vengeful glare of his sister beating at his back. Why were they still there?

Jaime had tried to apologize Cersei and soothe her anger but with her there was no retribution unless he made a grand gesture. However. . . What Cersei asked was too much for even Jaime to do with a clean conscious.

“A pretty face like your’s should be doing other things than glaring at me, my love.”

“Don’t sweet talk me Jaime.” She snaps and hurries her strides to keep in walk next to her twin. “Why will you not do this one thing for me? You want me to forgive you for the hurtful things you said, didn’t you?”

Puffing out a sigh Jaime stops in his tracks and cups Cersei’s elbows to draw her closer to him. Utterly beautiful even more so when she was seething with rage. “Because she’s our sister. And Rhaegar’s wife. I’m not hurting her.”

Cersei didn’t like that answer and tried to pull away from him but Jaime proved too strong. He truly wanted to make amends with her. He loved her. Even if he was starting to have unbrotherly feelings toward (y/n), Cersei had been his first love and lover. She was the first one to come out into the world. She would always be the center of his core, his other half. But Jaime had to draw the line somewhere on the lengths he would go to for his sister. For years Jaime had spoiled her and denied Cersei nothing. What she was asking of him was going to far now. If he were to harm (y/n) now, not that he would ever dream of it, it would be considered treason. It was bad enough remembering what had happened when they were children. Leaving (y/n) in the lion’s cage as she screamed for their mom. The scars he had seen on her back during the consummation of her marriage. . . He hadn’t been able to sleep that night knowing that he had played a part in that pain. Ever since (y/n) had arrived in King’s Landing he had done a lot of reviewing of his life up until then. The shit of a brother he had been to her because he had favored Cersei back then.

He brushed his lips against the shell of her ear. “Let me make it up to you in my bed.”

The Lannister beauty slipped for a moment and Jaime even dare say that she would’ve succumbed to the suggestion. Then she wouldn’t be Cersei though if she did. He knew very well that Cersei held onto a grudge like a dog with a bone. She shoved him away, her nose scrunched up in a snarl and frame shivering. “I see I have lost your affections to (y/n). . .”

“Cersei,” Jaime pleaded “don’t be like that.”

She shakes her head, curls of gold bouncy as she did so and backed away from Jaime. “I see how it is now. I just hope you know that (y/n) is aware of us.”

That pulled the scowl deeper into Jaime’s face. “What do you mean?”

Cersei laughs coldly. “She knows we’re fucking Jaime. Or that we were. Without another word she turns on her heel and marches away from him.

(y/n) knew. . .

That explained why she had recently been standoffish with him.

Jaime leaned his back against the harsh stones of the wall as his stomach sank and head reeled. How did she know?

“There you are Jaime.” His father’s voice makes him jump away from the wall. Lord Tywin’s already graying brows rise in question at the startled expression on his son.

Quickly pulling himself together, Jaime straightens his back and looks his father in the eyes with what he hoped was his usual confidence. “Here I am. What can I do for you father?”

Tywin’s pale green eyes stare at his eldest son in a calculating manner. Ever since Jaime had been enlisted into the King’s Guard, Tywin had wondered, or rather worried, about how Aerys had tainted his mind. Regarding him now though, Tywin saw his same golden lion. He shakes his head moreso to himself. “With your. . . sister. . . having just been married off it has come to my attention that Cersei is eligible for a husband as well. She should’ve been the one to marry first but” Tywin sighs “of course (y/n) always finds a way to meddle in my plans.”

“Cersei isn’t going to like that one bit. She still hasn’t gotten over not being the one to marry Rhaegar.” scoffs Jaime. “And who have you in mind? No one can compare to a prince.”

“Rhaegar isn’t the only prince in Westeros.”

Jaime’s cocky grin dropped to the bottom of his stomach. “Surely. . . you don’t mean to resort to-”

“Dorne?” His father finishes. “Did you think that I was going to let this slight to our family pass?”

Cautiously looking up and down the hall Jaime leans in toward the elder Lannister. “I don’t think that’s a good idea father. Dorne hasn’t posed a threat to the Targaryen’s position since their conqueror. What are you planning with this arrangement?”

“Why? Are you concerned for Aerys?” Tywin asks and Jaime doesn’t dismiss the hint of suspicion.

“I’m concerned for my sister, (y/n). Your daughter who is wed to the crown prince. My future queen.”

Something in that made Tywin smirk, something he usually didn’t do. “You don’t believe that do you?”

Apprehension rose in Jaime’s belly as he dared to question what Tywin meant.

“Aerys has been spiraling out of control for quite some time now. In his hysteria he believes that Rhaegar poses a threat to him. When I was his Hand he had confided in me that he placed his aspirations in Viserys now. That he would make Viserys next in line for the throne instead of Rhaegar.”

“Do you think Aerys will go ahead with that idea?”

The glance Tywin gave was answer enough. Viserys was still too young to rule as king for now. But what would happen when he was older? From the times Jaime had been in the presence of the second son, the little prince was already prone to intense tantrums. If Aerys were to fill the boy’s head with all those ideas that he would be the one to become king, who knows how his attitude would escalate. He would become the type of man that would gladly depose his elder brother. Then what would become of (y/n)? Was that Tywin’s plan? Marry Cersei off to Dorne and somehow plant in them the plot to overthrow the Targaryens? It was too far fetched. At least that’s what Jaime wanted to believe. Tywin was a man of aspirations. If he thought it would truly work then he would put it into action.

“I will only ask you this once Jaime.” Tywin puts his hand on his son’s shoulder. “Are you a lion or servant to the dragon?”

Lion was what he immediately thought.

(y/n)’s face made him think twice though. She wasn’t a lion anymore. He knew deep down that he found only (y/n) to be worthy of his loyalty now. He would protect her. And if that meant sabotaging his father and protecting the rest of the twisted Targaryens then so it would be.

“My heart lies with the Lannisters as does my loyalty.” Jaime said fiercely.

It had always been easy for him to lie.

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loving-family-poll · 4 months

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vote against wincest and lannistercest or whatever the fuck theyre called only bc i see both these ships everywhere and i feel so much spite abt it. fuck got i know its 'the incest fandom' but i want them to GO AWAY

Yayyy spite voting 🙌

#asks #not a poll

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insoucinyance · 2 months

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why is there so much discourse in the lannistercest tag i just want to see the terrible awful failvillain twins kiss

#mina.txt

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hello-nichya-here · 2 years

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"Instead of it being two disaster siblings latching onto each other out of genuine affection, codependency, obsession, narcisism and because it made narrative sense"

I can see how Jaime's affection for Cersei was genuine despite everything else that made it toxic, but did she ever really love him? To me it always felt like it was all about her ego

While Cersei's ego was part of it, I really don't believe it's fair to say she didn't truly love Jaime, and when you look through the scenes that highlight their relationship with an open mind, that becomes pretty easy to see.

In some of his POVs, Jaime remembers how he could never stand to be away from Cersei for too long, and they’d sleep with their arms entwined, and in a few chapters they recall dressing up as each other, Jaime daring Cersei to kiss Tyrion, They genuinely liked each other’s company and were absolutely inseparable their whole lives - to the point that they’re basically treated, both by the people around them and by Martin, as identical twins. Is it that hard to believe two people who are this close could fall in love?

And fall in love they did. Pretty damn fast, because Jaime says he can’t even remember when he and Cersei started to kiss, and they used to copy animals mating from a very young age - before Tyrion was even born - and it led to their mother trying to separate them. Jaime is Cersei’s first love, and said love last up until their adult lives.

While Jaime was never allowed to (or too interested in) be a proper father to his children, the fact still is that he IS the father of all of Cersei’s children, as she proudly said, that he was there by her side when she was giving birth - even going as far as threatening that guards that tried to keep him away from her - while her husband was out hunting. She’s even happy when she thinks Tommen is taking after him, and almost lets the secret out because she just had to gush about that.

Since I mentioned Robbert, let’s not forget that on top of being a shitty father (and having zero excuse for it) he was also physically abusive to Cersei, cheated on her too many times to count and even said Lyanna’s name on their wedding night, and Cersei was expected to just put up with it. Meanwhile, here’s Jaime again, being faithful to her his whole life (and even taking a celibacy vow that also included losing all of his claims), and Cersei straight up said that Robbert would have been fucked if Jaime knew about how he mistreated her. And while Jaime could be sexist every now and again, we cannot forget that he used to be totally okay dressing up as Cersei when they were little and just let her take his place as Tywin’s son, and even said the words “If I were a woman, I’d be Cersei” - can you seriously tell me that would not win him a ton of points with a woman that was constantly screwed over because of her gender?

And let’s not forget about the other men in her life - she clearly didn’t give a shit about any of her lovers, was insulted when Rhaegar rejected her but didn’t grieve for him when he died, and straight up tried to have Robbert killed. And while she was offended by the fact that Robbert didn’t give a shit about her, she was never jealous of his whores, or of his love for Lyanna - who was also one of the women Rhaegar chose over her. Meanwhile, she gets mad just remembering the time a former childhood friend asked “When am I going to marry Jaime?” and it’s even implied she was the first person Cersei killed, and she was just a young girl, and she CONSTANTLY says things like “We are one person in two bodies”, “I’m not whole without you”, “We came into this world together, he would not leave without me.”

There’s also things like her only showing her tears to him, canonically only enjoying sex with him, genuinely believing that either their love will make him able to save her in a trial by combat or that they’ll die together as she always believed it was supposed to happen, thinking about how he loved her hair and about him kissing her thighs when she’s being prepared for her walk of shame, and thinking about how he always said she was beautiful to try and be strong enough to face said walk. She even believes the obvious lie that Loras is sleeping with his sister and joined the kingsguard to be near her solely because that absurd scenario is her own story with Jaime. She is absolutely in love with that man.

Jaime is not just her twin and her lover, he is Cersei’s real husband in all but name and she absolutely thinks of him as her other half, her soulmate, the love of her life - she even has dreams of their relationship being public, and truly feels like there’s no point in living in a world where he doesn’t exist. Even George R.R. Martin said so, and confirmed she loved him, when he was talking about that insane scene of these two fucking next to their dead son (how romantic):

“In my mind, she’s clearly thinking that Jaime may be dead. The only person she ever truly loved besides her children may be lost to her forever and suddenly there he is before her—but shockingly maimed and transformed. There is a mutual passion for each other. And it’s like if you get a cable that your husband has been killed in war, and then suddenly there he is—he’s not killed in war.”

So yeah, their relationship might be super unhealthy and Cersei might have made a fuck ton of mistakes, but she DID love him.

#asks #jaime x cersei #cersei x jaime #lannistercest #Cersei Lannister #cersei meta #Cersei and Jaime #shipcest

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