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whetstonefires · 10 months

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so the op of that anti-voting post DMed me just now, transcript follows:

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even if all democratic systems were inherently always going to be "inadequate" i think our american democracy is severely flawed in glaring ways, its just literally antiquated and i think there are much better democratic systems. our voting system is not representative of the people either, which almost everybody admits, i'm not saying theres some nefarious mastermind behind it, but it is a design flaw, whether the flaw was made on purpose or on mistake. its easy to quit american democracy because it doesnt even seem to Want you to participate, like from so many factors its difficult to engage with it in any meaningful way

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yeah it's not a fantastic system

it's just also pretty pointless to try to punish it for that by leaving it in the hands of people who hate you

it won't get its feelings hurt and try to woo us back

i used to be really mad about how stupid and ugly it is but the more history i've studied and the older i've gotten the more it's been like, oh human society is a clown show always

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but for several election cycles the popular vote nor the general will of the people have even impacted the people who are elected, the people who hate us are in power because the system is designed to benefit them

whetstonefires

i mean?? biden did in fact defeat trump, and the democrats did make gains in congress in both the last two cycles

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my vote in my state genuinely does not matter in federal elections, in local elections yeah sometimes it does, but there needs to be an overhaul on our democracy and its election process so its more reflective of the people. currently its so broken that voting legit doesnt change anything

biden sucks

whetstonefires

he sucks less than trump tho????

like to a screamingly significant extent

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i'm trying to make a more general and large scale point than one single election cycle and sitting president

whetstonefires

and i've made my counter point which is that not voting is not a constructive response to the problem

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doing other things than voting is just as effective if not more so than voting, so not voting in a broken democracy isn't nonconstructive

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and in fact the broad tendency of idealists and leftists to be disengaged from the political process because it's dirty and inadequate, especially at the local level, is the *cause* of many of the systemic problems

doing other things can be constructive, but not voting is a non-action

and advocating against voting is a *harmful* action

so it's not constructive

the other things and the voting are independent of one another

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thats just really ill conceived, i'm honestly just surprised by that response, you should really think more deeply about this. i'm not sure what you think this way of thinking and approaching politics is accomplishing

and then i couldn't send anything else (it was going to be a ?? because that didn't really follow naturally but before they said that i'd been typing a bit listing all the voting-related activism that it made sense to dip on due to alienation from the process, because energy and funding better spent elsewhere etc, but opposing voting itself was not in the same category) because they blocked me, which is just rude. you started this conversation man!

also i can't figure out how to make tumblr let me block them back.

so i made a post about it lmao.

i still don't know what positive good they think arguing against voting is supposed to achieve. like why is that a good use of energy.

#hoc est meum #i throw salt #little bit #politics #independence day

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discoursecatharsis · 9 months

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I've noticed this pattern with antis in fandom where, in their attempt to distance themselves from anything and everything "problematic" in their fandoms, they refuse to acknowledge when they DO enjoy something problematic. Therefore, they don't recognize the problematic elements of the ship, character, media, etc. They'll also heavily downplay or deny any problematic. aspects of their favorite fandom thing.

I just saw an example of this and it is blowing my mind right now and I need to share this with y'all.

It involves the comments on this video.

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Some context for Princess and the Frog: the blonde girl is Charlotte, also called Lottie. She's the main character Tiana's best friend. Charlotte's goal was always to marry a prince, and she almost marries (who she believes to be) Prince Naveen, but once she sees that Naveen and Tiana are in love, she tries to help them turn back human so they can be together.

At the end of the movie, Tiana and Naveen get married, and this scene plays after. Charlotte dances with Naveen's kid brother, and says "I've waited this long" in response to him saying that he's 6 and a half years old.

Now Charlotte's line here, if you look at the context clues of her story line, implies that she's saying "I've waited this long for a prince to marry, so I can wait longer for Naveen's younger brother to grow up." It's just a joke. Albeit, a joke that many will find to be very uncomfortable and inappropriate, but a joke nonetheless. I highly doubt Charlotte is actually going to "wait for" this child to grow up to marry him. She's making a joke at her expense, about her desperation of her dream to marry a prince.

BUT FOR SOME REASON.... many of the comments are like "she means that she's been waiting to DANCE with a prince."

I'm completely and utterly serious y'all. Here are some of the comments along those lines, with thousands of thumbs up each.

If you've seen this movie, you'll realize that these comments make absolutely no sense for more than one reason.

1) Charlotte danced with Prince Naveen (or at least with the villain disguised as him) earlier in the movie. She danced with a prince already. Why would that still be her dream if she already accomplished that?

2) Lottie speaks multiple times (during her childhood and in present day as a young adult) about her dream of "marrying a prince." Not dancing with a prince. Not meeting one. No, she wants to MARRY A PRINCE AND BE A PRINCESS.

This video has some clips of her saying this, at the time stamps 0:20, 2:52, 4:08, and 5:21.

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Charlotte does give up her dream of marrying Naveen specifically for Tiana, because she see that he makes Tiana happy. But with how she jumps in like a wide receiver to catch the bouquet at Naveen and Tiana's wedding, it's clear she still has her dream of marrying *A* prince, just not Naveen.

But back to the comments on that video.

The comments seem to be downplaying the actual implication of her line. It's almost like they're desperately trying to ignore what she actually meant and make it more wholesome because they don't want to admit that their favorite movie has an uncomfy and inappropriate joke.

It's disturbing that this is yet another example where people in fandom (who are fantis or have been influenced by that fanti mindset) are downplaying a scene (or a ship, trope, etc) that is ACTUALLY problematic because they personally like the movie or the character and they don't want to admit that it has some issues. Instead of just admitting "yeah that scene/line was kinda fucked up and gross," they are jumping through HOOPS to make it seem more innocent than it was. And this is completely blowing my mind and is honestly concerning.

If you want to personally interpret it in a different way, in a way to make it more palatable to you, be my guest. That's what fandom and fanon is all about and I do that a lot too. But to see so many people outright deny the actual implications of this line is... bizarre af. It's one thing to be like "hmm yeah I don't like that, so I'm going to personally interpret this ship/trope/scene differently so it's more comfortable to me." It's another thing entirely to be in complete denial and ignore the actual context of the character and their story.

Also, so many of the other comments on the video aren't even commenting on the actual scene or on what Charlotte said. They're just generic comments on how much they love Charlotte as a character or how they miss this 2D animation. It's like they're trying reallyyyyyy hard to ignore the joke that's being made.

On the grander scheme, this is concerning because these people are refusing to acknowledge something that's inappropriate at best and predatory at worse (an adult "waiting" for a child to grow up) because they don't want to be caught enjoying/supporting something "bad."

All their talk about normalizing and normalization, but they're the ones kinda normalizing bad things by downplaying them or being in denial of it when it's in THEIR favorite media. And that is very concerning and a big issue.

#throwing salt #uh what other tags did i use to use? I legit can't remember #fandom discourse #fantis #Youtube

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uncanny-tranny · 6 months

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I love you smile lines and worry lines and grey and white hair and wrinkles and purple spiderweb veins and the process of aging and living in a body that is standing the test of times. I love you experiences that make you wiser and stories that make you laugh, and every little process that happens to get to the point where you have so many memories because you have the fortune to be here and be so radiant

#positivity #pro aging #also i hate you 'anti aging' scams that capitalize on fear of aging. death by 1000000 papercuts for ye #saw a hair video where they restored the salt-and-pepper colour in an older clients hair and it looked SO GOOD at the end #i love when people throw in the towel and embrace their aging however that looks #it isn't productive to shame people who are ashamed of aging and i just want to. celebrate aging #in a world that simultaneously venerates youth and adulthood and hates BOTH you need to find some sense of freedom #as a Young Adult(tm) please please PLEASE older folks seeing this/following me know that i look up to you #older folks i need you to know that your worth NEVER diminished when you added a new number on your birthday cake #and your body and mind and soul NEVER lost worth because it started to creak a little at the joints #and i might be wrong about this because i'm still young but it can be SO tempted to miss your youth when you feel like...#...you've somehow LOST part of yourself by growing older. and so much of aging is about change and some things don't stay the same...#...and that IS scary and i will never once fault somebody for that. but please don't fall into the trap that because you've aged that...#...you somehow have forever lost fundamental pieces of Who You Are and you could never come back from that...#...for your own sake and sanity you deserve to find comfort and solice and understanding in who you still are...#...because you are still - at the core - the same. you can never take this away from yourself #and i know this might ring hollow because i just don't get what it's like to be older #but i have looked at my elders and felt awe at their age and their experiences #and i know what that is like and it's awesome. i just wish more older people knew that so many of us look at you with awe...#...and - if you can believe it - some of us ENVY your age or experiences or even body #i'm watching an 'older' content creator (older by internet standards 🙄) and i envy him for how eventful his life was #i envy that he experienced a different world - one that i have only heard about from my dad because i was too young to remember it #and i admire this person for their wisdom and thoughts because they've come from his experiences living in a Different World #it's that type of stuff that makes me unafraid to keep on living #inspired by following somebody like. twice my age posting about their excitement abiut growing older and !!!!!!! YEAHHHHHH #didn't realize they were closer to my dad's age but that's so cool???????????

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they-call-me-haiku · 6 months

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hot take: gustholomule was way better developed and had more chemistry than huntlow, despite not being a canon ship

#i still don't understand why they chose huntlow over gustholomule #gus and matt already had a solid foundation #but they had to throw in a ship that had zero chemistry #smh i hate it here #toh criticism #toh critical #toh discourse #toh salt #anti huntl0w #anti huntlow #the owl house criticism #the owl house critical #the owl house discourse #the owl house salt #anti toh #gustholomule

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spop-romanticizes-abuse · 1 month

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not spop-related but i can't post this on my main blog so.

i do find it funny how most of the fan depictions of belos were far more interesting and detailed than s3 belos. i've seen fanart and fanfics of him where he's a complex villain struggling with religious guilt and then the canon is just like.. lmao yeah he's pure evil. kill him.

#i feel like belos is the opposite of catra #a potentially sympathetic villain who is reduced to Evil Man Who Deserves Death™#don't get me wrong i'm not saying he should have been forgiven or anything #he didn't deserve forgiveness #and he didnt really need a redemption arc #but did they have to throw away all of his complexity just to appease the anti steven universe community?#that's what it felt like #fun fact: you can write a sympathetic/complex villain and not redeem them #it's perfectly doable #but oh well #toh critical #toh salt #toh criticism #anti toh #toh discourse #belos #emperor belos #philip wittebane #bad writing #i was so excited for his character at first #especially around hollow mind era because the layers were peeling back #and we were seeing a really interesting and intimidating villain in the making #sigh #my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

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jennrypan · 1 year

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Everyone always goes on about how Adrien and Mylene aren't assholes despite experiencing trauma

But

Surprise, surprise!! People react differently to trauma!

YOU may wanna be a better person, YOU may never wanna be mean.

But not everyone comes out of trauma all nice and kind.

Obviously, and I can't stress this enough cuz sometimes people CANT FUCKING READ. This doesn't mean be a bully, this isn't excusing Chloe. She's a fucking bully and an asshole. We KNOW that.

But holy shit. Not everyone wants to be a good person, sometimes when you feel shitty you wanna lash out and take it out on everyone. Is it right? FUCK NO. But it happens.

It doesn't make then evil, (especially when you're fucking 14 and you get compared to a literal grown terrorist, bffr)

Also. Marinette told Chloe in order for her shitty mom to love her she had to act like her..no ones gonna talk about that stupid ass evidence?? Just. God damn.

Also. Mylenes mom abandoning her shouldn't be compared to Chloes mom abandoning her to have a whole other child and leaving Chloe with a spineless, useless father who gave her EVERYTHING she wanted and never taught her how to act cuz he sucks.

Adrien was conditioned to act properly and do everything he's told or he'll get his freedom or anything he loves takin away, and despite that he still sees the good in people, that's great!!

Chloe was raised being handing everything with no consequences. They can't be comparable!

Chloe definitely deserves to be called out for bullying but she's not worst than all the shitty parents or terrorists in this show idc

#ml writing salt #j.p speaks #miraculous ladybug #im seeing #some opinions and i had to give my own #chloe burgeois #chloe bourgeois #which is it damn #adrien agreste #mylene haprele #stop comparing them like not everyone wants to be a good nice person #i WISH i could get akumatized and break cars and buildings tf #i dont wanna be nice #the only reason im not throwing water bottles at cars is cuz OF THE LAW. THATS IT.

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poorly-drawn-mdzs · 10 months

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Ask and you shall receive (a sneak peak of what's to come)

#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #wei wuxian #lan wangji #mdzs au #homestuck #I genuinely do have troll designs for the major characters of mdzs adn thoughts pertaining to their hemospectrum #I honestly thought ppl would start throwing holy salt at me at the mention of homestuck but the enthusiasm is super motivating!#With that said; Thank you all so much for the support with the hollow knight crossover #Even people who have never heard of hollow knight have been so kind (go buy and play hollow knight; the aesthetic and story are amazing)#More bug doodles and comic are ahead! I'll try and space them out between comic updates.#More thoughts will come later but for now...allow me to leave you with this:#Non-homestucks may see the blue and red and go 'aw blue-red ship how cute' while those who know might realize exactly what im putting down #namely that this version of wwx is *very* interested and persistent about getting lwj to spend time with him.#Lwj lives in a very insular indigo colony and isn't fully aware of the differences in life span between hemocasts (yet).#But wwx is. So he's driven to live life to the fullest! This would also drive him to be way more self-sacrificing.#Since his life is so small compared to everyone else he loves anyways. That purple isn't just aesthetic either.

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baderpfulu · 4 months

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✨️Mob and Reigen in acnh✨️

Thank you to @princeson for being Mob and taking pictures with me :^)

#pretend that the sparkles Reigen's throwing is salt instead lol #in that third image he's about to go mob psycho 100 #i have more pictures where they're at the coffee shop and at the aquarium #I'll post those separately #mp100 #mob psycho #mob psycho 100 #mp100 wholesome #acnh #reigen #reigen arataka #mob #shigeo kageyama #shigeo #animal crossing new horizons #animal crossing #anime

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vivid-wisp · 4 months

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I’ve always had super mixed feelings (now evolved into negative feelings) regarding HTTYD The Hidden World ever since it first released, so seeing more people actually talk and speak about the issues of the movie makes me feel better LOL. Like y’all are putting it into words why this movie just felt so off to me. I just wish more of the general population of fans and viewers thought about the movie a little more beyond “visuals pretty.”

#httyd #httyd the hidden world #how to train your dragon #thw salt #httyd 3 salt #httyd 3 criticism #thw criticism #first time I watched THW I remember feeling vaguely disappointed. now I know why #anyways THW doesn’t exist and i choose bits of canon from it and throw the rest into fire

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sweetlullabyebye · 6 months

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Top 3 times where Oswald Cobblepot was the most unsettling man ever:

#the bogeyman scares me less than whatever the second and third image are #the music does a wonderful job at scaring me but i can't add it unless i post videos #just oswald being unsettling #oswald cobblepot #gotham #penguin #congrats to robin lord taylor for creating my new nightmare creature #but honestly his performance is brilliant #oswald widens his eyes or smiles and i start throwing salt over my shoulder

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cameforthecat · 10 months

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Listen the thing about the final is, even if they are planning this big "This is the Bad Place" moment later and they are going to "reveal" that Gabriel was a monster all along... This is still a show aimed at children. Now I dont know much about kids and I don't want to treat them as dumb, but I just don't feel like most kids will get the nuance to know that Gabriel was still the bad guy the whole time? That he was NOT actually redeemed? If even WE were confused by the show's intention then it seems really likely that a lot of kids will watch it and take it at face value thinking "oh so this makes up for the bad things Gabriel did, hes good now" and that's just not a message I want anyone to internalize. I might be able to get excited about this subtle psych horror plot if this was a show actually intended for me, but even if there's a big adult audience there's an even bigger kid one. Saying that they are going to fix things in season 6 doesn't change what they did here, and how many kids just catching this on their local cartoon channel might never see the fix? I don't know, personally I just don't feel like teaching kids bad principles so that you can dramatically reveal they were bad principles later doesn't seem like a good idea. I WANT to imagine that every little 7-year-old watching was screaming "No!! Bad man! They shouldn't make him a statue! He's bad!" at their tv but... did they?

#if even one kid thinks Adriens “I want to be like him” was anything other than stomach turning im ready to throw down #hesitated a lot on posting this cause i dont like adding negativity 😭#ml salt #i hate to post salt believe me i WANT to like it i dont like disliking my favorite show #but i can't stop thinking about this #does anyone who knows more about kids wanna tell me im worried for nothing?#miraculous ladybug #ml recreation spoilers #ml recreation #ml season 5 finale #ml season 5 spoilers

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whetstonefires · 1 year

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Oh wait wait wait hang on, Marvel did try to create a narrative relation between Tony Stark and Thanos in the big two-part season finale of their film franchise.

It's between Thanos killing Gamorra to damn the world, and Tony damning the world to protect Morgan. That's why she's called Morgan! Same phonemes!

You can see there was a plan to do something with that, in some earlier draft.

They just buried the lede so thoroughly that I, a person who was actively looking for Tony-Thanos parallels to pick up the theming from Avengers (2012) with Loki to justify Tony's narrative centering, am only picking up on it actual years later.

#hoc est meum #marvel studios #avengers endgame #i throw salt #movie meta #this is at least the second time this happened to gamorra lol #'let's make her a central part of the narrative' says an early script #'no' says a folding chair

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alphacrone · 12 days

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#i'm not very superstitious but i will do things like knock on wood or throw salt over my shoulder

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fleshdyke · 3 months

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just so everyone is aware your cities aren't walkable if you don't shovel the fucking sidewalks

#AT THE VERY LEAST SALT IT!!!!!#im literally going to kms im in so much pain rn #went downtown (the only walkable part of my city) for photography and oh my GOD #im in so much pain. and so exhausted. for anyone who doesnt live in snowy areas trying to walk over packed snow takes like twice the energy #i feel like im gonna throw up from how much pain im in #i shouldnt have to wear fucking mountaineering boots to walk downtown!!!!!!!!!!!!! im gonna kms #rambles

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incorrect-ikevamp-quotes · 1 year