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makorragal-312 · 9 months

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Alice taking Charlie's speech to Harry at Tara's party and instead having him say it in his final scene with Ben where he's able to finally tell him off.

CHEF'S KISS

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thetrashiestbaby · 8 months

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We as a fandom don’t talk nearly enough about the fact that not only do Imogen and Charlie have the same taste in men but Imogen’s taste in men just seems to be “attracted to Charlie” like that’s her one qualification

#seriously imagine every guy you like falls for this one specific dude #that would be so frustrating #ah to be a lesbian constantly falling for queer men #it’s a cannon event we can’t interfere #heartstopper imogen #hearstopper #heartstopper spoilers #hearstopper season 2 #heartstopper charlie #heartstopper tv #heartstopper nick #netflix heartstopper #heartstopper ben #imogen #imogen heaney #ben hope #nick nelson #charlie spring

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pleadingforattention · 9 months

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Harry standing up for Imogen in the restaurant in season 2 after getting decked by Nick in season 1 shows that feminists can also be homophobes. It's nice to see two worlds colliding.

#this is satire #please do not tell me its examples of his character growth #i know #heartstopper #heartstopper season 2 #heartstopper spoilers #Heartstopper season 2 spoilers #nick nelson #charlie spring #ben hope #harry greene #imogen heaney #heartstopper nick #Heartstopper harry #heartstopper ben #heartstopper imogen

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johnlocked1827384 · 5 months

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My mum's review of various heartstopper characters:

-Nick Nelson: "is he the rugby one who realises he's gay?"

-David Nelson: "that's the kind of kid you'd only put up with because it's your own"

-Harry: "he just needs a punch in the face"

-Isacc and James: "those ones are gay too!?!?!"

-Ben: "we don't like that one do we?"

-Elle: "trans people always have better hair than me"

#heartstopper tv #heartstopper #heartstopper ben #ben hope #heartstopper elle #heartstopper harry #david nelson #nick nelson

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charlieisacastle · 4 months

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darcy olsson and ben hope are foils and here's why, a video essay by yours truly

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thank you to my friend bonnie on youtube for co-writing this video with me. and thank you to @blackholeunderyourbed & @finnicksannie for their contributions to the video which you can find here, here, and here.

and thanks @sexynugget for emotional support jfjdkjd

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reblogs are appreciated <3 also please let me know what you think of it <3

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highly-important · 8 months

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I think a big criticism I have of Heartstopper is how it makes a sexual minority (Ben) the face of homophobic oppression.

We know that one of the things that affected Charlie the most was the bullying he went through earlier. That it was so bad no one can really put it to words.

Charlie describes his bullying in a very abstract and intangible way, and never directly points the finger at anyone specific.

In general, there is this collective amnesia about who actually bullied Charlie and who let it happen. No one is really held accountable for it.

This is also very similar to whatever happened with Elle at Truham. Elle was extensively bullied, but she brushes off her problems and we never see the extent of her trauma. We honestly don't even know how this actually affected her, apart from the ways that she minimizes herself. But its all abstracted - no one is really ever identified as responsible or complicit.

Ben is the only person who is identified from that time in Charlie's life, and it means its easier to blame Ben for it than anyone else.

I understand why Nick and Charlie don't want to forgive Ben, and I don't think he is owed that forgiveness. But I also think Ben is a stupid 15 year old in an awful, traumatizing situation. There is reason to believe he would have behaved differently if he wasn't also in a homophobic environment. Do you think Ben could hear other people call Charlie disgusting and not internalize it himself? And the responsibility for their relationship going badly isn't squarely on Ben's shoulders, either.

There is also no reason why someone else, like Araji or Farouk couldn't have given him an empathetic moment or helped him a little. Ben is equally deserving of support and compassion.

Ben becomes the face of Charlie's trauma, and Ben seems to bare the responsibility for it. The straight people around him slip under the radar, despite arguably being the ones bearing the most responsibility for Charlie's issues. Charlie's self hatred, his ED, and the cutting are all caused by the bullying. The straight bullies are allowed some grace and empathy that isn't given to Ben.

We forget that Nick has been a part of Harry's friend group for years. Nick isn't really doesn't stick up for what's right on his own, and doesn't help much when they hit Tao with the ball. Obviously his feelings for Charlie cause him to reexamine these things. But its not something Nick ever has to come to terms with. (Its similar with Imogene, she hangs out with and enables some of Charlie's tormentors, but never really has to come to terms with that.) And in S2, the actions of Nicks' friend group are largely forgotten, and the emphasis is put on how supportive they are when Nick comes out.

It is very realistic that kids would react differently to an unpopular kid coming out than they would a popular kid coming out. But they're still the same people. Charlie doesn't even feel resentment that the same people who called him disgusting are now voicing support of Nick.

It is the bullying that made Charlie feel disgusting, its the bullying that gave Charlie an ED and made him self-harm. And its the bullying that made Ben want to keep his relationship with Charlie a secret.

If Nick was friends with Harry for a while, and Nick doesn't really remember the bullying Charlie went through, it also means that Harry maybe wasn't a main antagonist when Charlie's bullying was "really bad." So even though Harry is the face of homophobic bullying, even he is disconnected from the "really bad" that happened the year before. Harry is just an asshole, and somehow not responsible for causing serious trauma.

We get more of an indication that Harry can grow and do better than we do Ben. And yes, even though Harry is never forgiven or forgotten, he's also never confronted with it either.

All the straight people at school are easily redeemable because weirdly, none of them seem to actually be complicit in the "really bad" bullying that fucked Charlie up.

(And even making these distinctions between when the bullying was really bad and not so bad missed how any kind of daily micro aggressions, no matter how small, can build up to have toxic effects. Hearing your sexuality degraded pretty consistently can have huge negative affects on your health, even if to an outsider it doesn’t look like that much.)

I am seeing more and more media do this - make a minority the face of that minority's oppression. Its this gentle way of exploring oppression, while avoiding making people outside that minority group feel uncomfortable or ask difficult questions about their own complicity.

It perpetuates this idea that homophobia is actually over, despite the fact that somehow, mysteriously, the affects of homophobia are still felt. Harry is written as someone who can improve, Ben is written as someone who is incapable of change. I think there is just something deeply unsettling about who is given compassion and empathy.

Not only does HS really avoid the hard work of showing how Ben gets better, but it avoids the hard work of having the straight characters confront the harm they caused.

And I'm not saying this to "cancel" Heartstopper or tell you you're a bad person for liking it. I've written extensively about the things I think this show gets right. But I think that making a minority the face of minority oppression is a damaging trope that we should be as critical of as we are of tropes like "Bury your Gays"

#heartstopper #ben hope #heartstopper discourse #heartstopper ben

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chipcheesesandwich · 8 months

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Heartstopper S2 finally gave us the queer revenge we were looking for, or maybe at least I have been looking for.

I've always tended to steer away from queer media these days, because all have been quite depressing. The couple breaks up, one of them dies (or maybe both!), the show gets cancelled after 1 season after promising us with a second (I'm looking at you Amazon and the execs who cut League of Their Own, pay your actors and writers!!!), etc... But what really makes me depressed, is the "forgiving queers" arc.

In almost every queer coming out type story arc in a show, set in the modern day, there is a bully. They will give the characters their first taste of slurs, shaming, and threats to harm them for being openly queer. Through the experiences from the bullying, the coming out character usually becomes tough (maybe after a few mental breakdowns here and there) and fights back the bully, or just ignores them and show that they can live a happy life, or they find out the bully is actually queer too and/or have a reason behind their actions (homophobic home environments and trying to please the people around them, which tends to be the case). And usually, when the queer character finds out about the bully being queer or has their reasoning of "acting" homophobic, they are forgiven. And all I can think watching this unfold, is that is just a load of straight guilt forgiveness smeared on the screen.

Because, tbh, why do we have to forgive them? Why do we have to be the "great learning lesson" for the people who do not have the decency to think of people's feelings? And don't get me wrong, I am not always about this. I have done a fair amount of forgiving in my time of coming out, educating people, being the first contact of this queer world, etc. But it should never be the one and only recommended way of dealing with hate, because those people still hurt us and scarred us for life. It is our life, it is our decision to forgive or not.

So when I saw Charlie, blocking away Harry and Ben's ask for forgiveness with grace, was so, satisfying. And such a great decision in the creatives/writers on this. It was almost like the reverse queer baiting we got from Our Flag Means Death and got slapped into the actual desired direction that no one could dare to wish. It was what I actually wanted to say to those people who asked me for forgiveness after making me think I am not worth living; fuck. off.

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As I unravel this love I have for Charlie's queer revenge, I cannot stop thinking of the last moments we had with Ben. As Charlie and Nick walk away, leaving Ben completely alone, the beautiful rainbow colors of the queer art gallery just overflow towards him, just inches away. We see him hesitate to leave, but ends with him fully turning around and walking away in the opposite direction. And as viewers, you cannot help but hear your own heart shatter for him. We all know how he wants those inches to reach the rainbow, but it is just far too wide. It's the biggest leap all queer people have experienced. Charlie and Nick have, and they could be Ben's guide to help him cross this. But at the end, it is Ben's decision to make and how he gathers his courage. And all we can do, is watch.

#heartstopper netflix #heartstopper #heartstopper season 2 #heartstopper spoilers #heartstopper s2 #tv shows #nick and charlie #heartstopper ben #heartstopper charlie #lgbtq #queer #coming out #heartstopper nick #heartstopper harry

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imjustavenuxwithaboomerang · 8 months

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so i just watched the first episode of heartstopper for the first time....

ben you're on my list, count your days

#heartstopper #heartstopper ben #ben hope

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missesmckinnon · 9 months

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what do you mean ben isn’t coming back in season three? what do you mean? what about is redemption arc? what about him coming to terms with his sexuality? what do you mean there’s no more ben? what do you mean there’s no more sebastian croft?

#alice oseman #heartstopper #ben hope #ben heartstopper #heartstopper ben

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cheeselasagne · 9 months

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#heartstopper cast #heartstopper charlie #heartstopper spoilers #heartstopper comic #heartstopper nick #heartstopper #heartstopperedit #heartstopper ben #ben hope #charlie spring

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katierod114 · 9 months

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Heartstopper season 2 proving my point that people don’t try to talk to people they actually hate. It’s always Ben trying to talk to Charlie or Ben trying to talk to Nick. Neither Charlie nor Nick initiate anything, they simply respond to Ben actively provoking them.

#heartstopper netflix #heartstopper #heartstopper nick #heartstopper charlie #nick and charlie #charlie spring #nick nelson #heartstopper ben

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makorragal-312 · 9 months

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Ben really had the audacity to say that Nick was just like him.

BITCH WHERE?

#heartstopper #heartstopper s2 #heartstopper season 2 #heartstopper spoilers #heartstopper s2 spoilers #nick nelson #ben hope #anti ben hope #heartstopper nick #heartstopper ben #istg when those words came out of his mouth I wanted to fight #I was literally screaming at the screen for nick to punch him #and that I would hide the body #like the absolute nerve #you know damn well nick is nothing like you #if that were the case Charlie would've left him just like how he left you #I admire sebastian croft with a passion #but dear lord was ben an absolute dick this season #and I truly hope he is GONE next season

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thetrashiestbaby · 8 months

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Imogen literally exists to give validation that the boys Charlie was romantically involved with are hot and desirable. It's like the law that the viewer needa their face rubbed in that PEOPLE WANT THEM OK people want them and they want Charlie wow isn't Charlie so special but Charlie is also you, the relatable shy self-insert, doesn't it just trigger all your dopamine receptors to self-project onto a character who is chased by all the hot boys who EVERYONE WANTS OK NEVER FORGET THAT PEOPLE WANT THEM

This makes the whole concept of Imogen thinking she’s the main character like 10xs funnier

Like rip sorry girl, every dude you like falls for this one rly specific dude. It is unfortunately your life’s purpose, maybe try girls?

#hearstopper #hearstopper season 2 #heartstopper #heartstopper tv #heartstopper netflix #heartstopper imogen #imogen heaney #heartstopper ben #heartstopper charlie #heartstopper nick #nick nelson #Ben Hope #charlie spring

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that-girl-glader · 9 months

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Look I hate Ben Hope as much the next guy, but like..... he do look good in gray.

#ben hope #heartstopper #heartstopper season 2 #did I lie??#heartstopper ben #ben heartstopper

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exammole · 8 months

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I know Bens departure scene with him walking away from the gay exhibit was supposed to be tragic or whatever. But my sympathy only goes so far for abusers, I was making fun on him the entire scene, I’m so glad Bens gone (not Croft tho ☹️)

#heartstopper netflix #heartstopper #heartstopper series #heartstopper comic #heartstopper ben #ben hope #sebastian croft #abusers #sympathy #netflix

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charlieisacastle · 6 months

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im making a youtube video on the juxtaposition and similarities between darcy and ben. if you have any posts, thoughts, or anything you'd like to share with me about it, please send me an ask, dm or reply to this post. i love to see what you have to say

also i saw a post about darcy and ben being foils that made me want to make this video but i cant find it now. if someone could send me the link to it so i can credit the person that would be so amazing.

#heartstopper #heartstopper season 2 #heartstopper series #heartstopper comic #darcy olsson #heartstopper darcy #ben hope #heartstopper ben #heartstopper s2 #heartstopper netflix #charlie.txt #queer #lgbtq

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