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you've gotta be kidding me if there's not enough fanart of Raist when he becomes a god.
this is based of the book description (except the horns/ears???):
- his figure is blacker than the darkness around him
- only his eyes can be seen
- astinus sees his hands clench so he must have hands
- described as 'black robed figure' (kinda forgot abt that)
i tried to make the horns kinda like rabbit ears cuz yeah lol
#dragonlance#dragonlance fanart#raistlin#raistlin majere#god raistlin majere#god!raistlin#idk there like no tags for this thing#raistlin fanart#raistlin majere fanart
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Chapters: 4/4
Fandom: Dragonlance - Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Dalamar the Dark/Raistlin Majere, Dalamar the Dark/Raistlin Majere/Original Character(s)
Characters: Raistlin Majere, Dalamar the Dark, Original Characters, Fistandantilus (Dragonlance), Nuitari (Dragonlance)
Additional Tags: Post-Test Fallout, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Canon Disabled Character, Coming to Terms With A Disability, Action/Adventure, Cuddles, Anal Sex, Life-Affirming Sex, Hope, Actually Healthy Coping Mechanisms, Healthy Relationships, shocking, I know, Par-Salian ought to be shot as an example to others, Canon-Typical Violence, discussion of suicide, Travelogue, minor violence against birds who deserve it, Explorers, Threesome - M/M/M, ish?
Series: Part 3 of Ivory, Blood and Ebony
Summary:
Raistlin and Dalamar come to terms with the aftermath of Raistlin's Test, and go on an adventure together.
Third in the Ivory, Blood and Ebony series.
Salvage Chapter 4:
Secrets and Gods and unpleasant surprises. Also, there may or may not be sex with a god.
#dragonlance#raistlin majere#dalamar#raistlin/dalamar#raistlin/dalamar/nuitari#sorta#salvage#ivory blood and ebony#sex with a god
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Round 1: Match 21 of 64
Why they deserve to be the ultimate wizard according to YOU:
Ged:
“The mix of pride and wounds. The gentleness and power. The greatness and the goats. I love my boy so much.”
“He is simply a little wizard guy who goes on little wizard adventures and journeys of self-discovery.”
“This man went to wizard school and beat up his own shadow”
Raistlin:
“Most powerful mage on Krynn, became Master of Past and Present, almost kids all the gods but stopped and instead kept the Queen of Darkness locked away. Continued cleaning up messes even after death.”
“Raistlin is THE wizard in the Dragonlance series. He's known for wearing a red cloak and a black one when he goes through his evil/emo phase and he's always carrying his staff and book of incantations with him. He studied a lot to become the powerful wizard he is, you know? like a nerd, and that turned his skin gold and his hair white. But everything comes with a price cause the magic he uses also makes him more physically weak than he already was and you can often see him coughing blood after using a big chunk of his powers :( He depends a lot on his twin brother Caramon cause he's the strong one and he carries him everywhere when he's too weak to move by himself and Raistlin resents him because of it. He's kind of an asshole but no one is on his level when it comes to his magical powers. All in all, he's a beloved character on the series and he also probably needs a ton of therapy. I love me a complex wizard with a tragic backstory.”
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Disabled characters in fantasy and why the entire bullshit surrounding the ableistic arguments about disabilities in fantasy. Where people think that mobility devices in gaming could 'easily' be 'fixed' with magic and why it is incredibly frustrating.
OR What Raistlin Majere means to me as a disabled person. a Rant.
Why Raistlin Majere (And other disabled characters are important in fantasy).
There's been a lot of discussion of accessibility devices being used in games. Talking about how it's 'lazy because magic can fix everything'.
We would not have any of Dragonlance if it wasn't for Raistlin Majere. He is a canonically disabled mage, who was kinda (was) a jerk. He was very nuanced and important.
Basic mage needs and 'spellslots' are an important part of fantasy. Much like our human bodies that require rest and nourishment, fantasy doesn't eliminate that.
Raistlin Majere went to become a real mage and had to go through excruitating trials to prove he was capable of wearing his mage robes. During all of that he did some BAD things, and he offered his body to a even worse mage to help him. The Mage drained him regulary. Raistlin already was born disabled. His own self loathing against his able bodied brother was interesting, and while I could write tons about that too, that isn't what this is about entirely because there's more than that. He often felt left out, tired and rather useless and magic was what gave him 'strength'. Due to multiple things that happened to him he wanted to challenge the gods themselves and become the most powerful mage. (There's a lot more to this but for simplifying we are going with this).
This is also not me condoning using disability as a 'punishment', but Raistlin already was disabled and was further pained when doing his mage trial. I've seen arguments about how gods/temples would help anyone disabled and therefore disabilities wouldn't work. Someone took a tiny bit of pity (ugh) on him and offered him something to help ease his pain, let's just call it medication for simplicity sake again. That was the most charity, even the most powerful clerics couldn't heal him or help him, whether in childhood or adulthood. Eventually he almost completely healed himself but was still very much dealing with various forms of pain, whether emotional etc. He is known as the most powerful wizard on krynn.
If we take all of that away we take away an incredibly interesting character whose disabilities helped elevate the games in which he was played in. When you work together you can accomplish so much more. When his friends were actual friends they accomplished so much together they seriously did. Yet due to his abbrasive personality he was rarely praised for the war of the lance until much later. Even his title of "hero of the lance" always seemed to come with talks about him being rather shitty until later. Throughout Dragonlance as a series (beyond the core novels) we have a lot of disabled characters and throughout the years as humans become more aware of how to write disabled characters differently we have gotten a lot more out of them and a lot more of them each providing such interesting parts to these beloved books.
At an even simpler level we have gollum/smeagol, another canonical disabled charater who was kinda dick too. However without him, Frodo may not have been able to actually destroy the ring at all, and if we go even deeper into Tolkien's lore we can discover more disabled characters whether titled as such or not that seemed to be a reflection of what he experience during the war and coming back. Disabilities exist in fantasy and in the real world, and some of us chose to create characters with disabilites, and I'd really much like to believe that we can get along because the world is already inaccessible enough. Let your players use various modes of accessability if needed/wanted.
Erasing these beautiful and nuanced characters would erase so much of what makes fantasy so incredible and accepting. It's always been such a mostly accepting genre, it's a way to fantasize and sometimes it's nice even in a regular day to fantasize what a beautifully crafted accessability device might look like.
So rather than argue online for hours for "why disability makes no sense in fantasy" could we change it to " I am capable of creativity and inclusion".
It's your fantasy game, so you get to be beautifully creative.
However, if you REALLY would take away disabilities in game because it's your fantasy game then say bye to
Raistlin Majere
Frodo
-Gollum
Toph
John Silver
Captain Hook
Your random peg legged pirate
Your eye patch
Geordi La Forge
Vader
Luke
Furiosa
Matt Murdock
Professor X
Deadpool
Kanan Jarrus
Steven Strange
Bucky Barnes
War Machine
Elijah Price
(And so so many more this is the lazy amount because I am SO FUCKING FED UP OF PEOPLE NOT BEING INCLUSIVE IN DND SPACES AND ONLINE)
Brought to you by an angry disabled person. (I love you take good care of yourselves, also this is nuanced and not entirely encompassing all my thoughts nor does it have to be your view as a disabled person. I love you be good to yourself today please.)
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This scene hurt so much to watch. Tantai Jin is realizing that his whole life has been predetermined by the Devil God. He feels like no decision has been his and he has had no free will.
It reminded me a lot of this passage from "War of the Twins" by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman For those unfamiliar, the Black Robe wizard, Raistlin Majere has a plan to become a god, but he needs a Cleric of Paladine. a god of good, to help him enter the Abyss to kill Takhisis, the Queen of Darkness, so he can take her place. They travel in time, but they take the places of the previous people, who attempted to enter into the Abyss. Raistlin ends up feeling like he has been walking in the footsteps of Fistandantilus:
“Master of Past and Present!” Raistlin laughed hollowly—bitter, mocking laughter. “I am Master of nothing! All this power, and I am trapped! Trapped! Following in his footsteps, knowing that every second that passes has passed before! I see people I’ve never seen, yet I know them! I hear the echo of my own words before I speak them! This face!” His hands pressed against his cheeks. “This face! His face! Not mine! Not mine! Who am I? I am my own executioner!”
I also choose to hope like Crysania that together, Tantai Jin and Li Susu can change the ending like she says here:
“No,” she said softly, her gray eyes looking up at him, shining in the bright sunlight that filtered through the leaves, holding him with her steadfast gaze, “we will alter time, you and I! You are more powerful than Fistandantilus. I am stronger in my faith than Denubis! I heard the Kingpriest’s demands of the gods. I know his mistake! Paladine will answer my prayers as he has in the past. Together, we will change the ending … you and I.…”
#till the end of the moon#tantai jin#raistlin majere#dragonlance#luo yunxi#crysania#cang jiumin#my gifs#tldr; Raistlin and Tantai are kindred poor little meow meows#if you enjoy Tantai’s pain you might also like Raistlin’s pain in the Dragonlance series
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In Disney romance is dead.
My advice for anyone who loves a good romance - you won't find it in Disney.
They are known for making some of the most romantic animated films of all time - Beauty and The Beast (90s version) is a classic example.
But recently Disney have been pouring cold water on romance in their movies.
And, believe it or not, the rot began waaay back in 2010 with of all things Alice in Wonderland.
It was a delightful film. Most of all I loved the chemistry between Mian Wasikowska's 'old soul' Alice and Johnny Depp's charming but tormented Tarrant Hightopp (aka Hatter).
I was saddened when at the end she returned to 'real life' and to a life without romance, but heartened when they announced a sequel...only for Alice to once again leave Wonderland, this time for a reason I found appalling - to look after her mother, an unpleasant woman who showed little affection for Alice - and she also had another daughter she was much closer to.
Any reason to keep Alice and the Hatter apart for ever.
And please - don't start with the 'Johnny is too old for Mia' crap, because this isn't about Johnny and Mia, but Alice and the Hatter, and Alice was the more mature one!
But, since AiW I have noticed bit by bit romance in Disney productions is dying.
Mulan - the live action version removed the romantic lead.
Star Wars - Han and Leia's relationship had come to an end. Finn/Rose is quashed in TROS.
And of course, 'Goddess of Jedi Dogma Rey'......doesn't need a boyfriend. Doesn't need anyone and anybody, apparently.
Now it has happened with Loki.
Loki, Thor's tormented God of Mischief, will spend eternity trapped in a tree with no one to love him. Because these days it seems that there is no redemption but death.
Waaaay back in my 20s I was an avid reader of the Dragonlance books. My favourite character was Raistlin Majere. Physically frail but incredibly strong willed and powerful, I pitied and despised him in equal measures when I first started reading the books, but my opinion changed dramatically when he did one thing.
As the heroes were escaping danger Raistlin suddenly went back, to his friends' chagrin, and returned with - Bupu, the little gully dwarf who had been their guide. And who the big, strong men - had completely forgot about. And the only one willing to risk his life to save her was Raistlin.
I started to love his character then.
Probably one of the most tragic figures in fantasy I desperately wanted Raistlin redeemed. Don't get me wrong - he did some terrible things. But, it all came from a place of pain. And I wanted him to get a 'happy ending'. Because this is fantasy folks - and if you can't find happy endings in make believe, where can you find them?
But ultimately....he didn't. I was devastated.
But, there was always Star Wars.
Not anymore.
The Skywalkers are all dead, along with Han Solo. And apparently Adam Driver confirmed in a recent interview Ben aka Kylo...was never meant to be redeemed. That he was meant to die evil.
And also...Harrison Ford actually didn't want Han to die in TFA. Despite years ago wanting to kill his character off, Ford over the years mellowed a lot to him.
Abrams wanted him to die at his son's hands so we, the audience, would hate Kylo. That we would cheer his death. That we would embrace Rey as his replacement.
But they made a drastic mistake.
Because Rey - is a bore.
She may tick the boxes but she is frankly utterly unmemorable as a hero. She's an archetype.
The most memorable character was Kylo. And the 'reylo' romance was the highlight of the ST. No matter how much Finn fans moan. No matter how much the 'woke' criticised it. Because Rey was at her most interesting when interacting with Kylo.
And it wasn't just we fans of it who noticed it - Rian Johnson did.
And the critics did.
But, Disney refused to listen and gave us TROS. Now they intend to continue with their soulless heroine in a new film, or series of films, whilst removing the prince from their forthcoming LA Snow White.
Why?
To satisfy #metoo, who apparently were the 'consultants' on the LA Little Mermaid? Which underperformed at the BO?
Frankly, to quote Rhett Butler ....I myself don't give a damn.
Bad enough that Raistlin had a sad ending. Bad enough Loki did. But Star Wars, the film series that had at its heart a message of hope - sorry Disney, SW was the last straw. I loved it for forty plus years. I was 12 when I first saw it. I was 54 when I watched it die with TROS.
Disney turned Lucas's saga into a horror story. And it was meant to be a fairytale.
Fairytales have happy endings. Real life is often heartbreaking and disappointing. Fairy Tales are our escape.
Disney, once the master of fairtales....have completely crushed them.
No romance. No love. No forgiveness.
No redemption but death.
If all someone can expect is that....why bother 'turning good'? Why bother at all?
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The Star and The Hourglass
Part 1 of the “Time of the Hourglass” series is completely edited and rewritten! Now with over 40k words+ of content in new and expanded chapters including new art and moodboards. Thank you for waiting. ♥ - more info in the story's notes.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/16941390/chapters/39808845
Paring: Raistlin Majere/Original Female Character (Yurielle)
Fandom: Dragonlance
Rating: Explicit (This fic is mostly Mature themed but I rate it Explicit due to its (eventual) sexual content - more info in the story's notes)
Chapters: 106/106
Takes place beginning around, and replacing, the Legends Trilogy
Summary:
Yurielle is not like other mages.
She went into her Test of High Sorcery certain that she'd continue to wear the white robes of good...
...but instead, she walked out wearing the black robes of evil.
The message was clear: though she was neither evil nor cruel, the gods of magic wanted her to walk in darkness. And so Yurielle's life continued as she struggled to come to terms with this path.
Then the day came when she first laid eyes upon the infamous Archmage Raistlin Majere. The encounter of their meeting would forever prove to be the moment in time, more so than her Test had been, that changed her life forever.
And his.
Tags to note: Head canon | Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence | Divergent Timelines | Slow Burn | Canon-Typical Violence | Redemption | Eventual Romance | Eventual Relationships | Eventual Sex | Sexual Content | Angst and Feels | Dungeons & Dragons References | Anxiety | Acceptance | The Following Romance Tropes Used Shamelessly- | Grumpy/Sunshine | Opposites Attract | Morality Chain | The Following Tags are for Closing Chapters - | Emotional Hurt/Comfort | Body Horror | Other Themes to Consider -| Self-Worth Issues | Body Dysphoria | Fighting Against Feelings | Found Family | Character Growth | Facing the Darkness Within | learning to love | Grumpy Raistlin is Best Raistlin | Consent is Sexy | Thanks to the Russian Dragonlance Musical for all the inspiration while writing this fic!
#dragonlance#raistlin#raistlin majere#dragonlance fanfic#original female character#Yurielle#The Star and The Hourglass#time of the hourglass series#dragonlance fanfiction#Raistlin finds his light in the darkness#can he make better choices#a journey of accepting and giving love#found family#heavily inspired by:#the last trial#the russian dragonlance musical#I listen to it every time I write#the story our black-robed mage deserves#silverglass83 writes
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minor bracket round 3 group a
#team blaseball#blaseball#raistlin majere#dragonlance#tournament poll#(un)godly trauma#minor bracket round 3#minor bracket group a
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I need you to know how much I adore raistlin majere as a blorbo he's also like one of my first blorbos I was obsessed with evil wizards for a while because of him. I think I read every book he appeared.
there is just something about raistlin majere he has been capturing minds and hearts and dicks (gender neutral) for 40+ yrs. he's aa multiply disabled genius white haired anime shitboy playing straight man to an entire universe. he's nebulously evil aligned but he's one of the kindest people in the entire world. he's a completely useless bisexual. he has never touched a boob in his life and if he did he would die. dalamar's chest does not count as a boob it's too flat for that. he's got a god complex. he's totally incapable of handling any degree of responsibility. every decision he's ever made has been the worst decision. the gods themselves rely on him as their get out of jail free card. he put himself into hell to prove a point. if he ever speaks to his ex girlfriend again he will fuck her on the floor to keep it real. he is spiritually incapable of ever not committing to a bit. his books defined an entire genre of antihero and time travel plotline and established the timeline divergence structure in use in modern fantasy. he'd literally fistfight a ghost even if he would lose. his entire family can't stand him. but they also love him because he might be an asshole but he's their asshole. he is the guy of all time.
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Dragonlance Legends AU idea
WARNING, SPOILERS FOR THE LAST TRIAL MUSICAL AND DRAGONLACE LEGENDS
I got this wonderful, aka extremely angsty and painful, idea a half hour ago watching the Last Trial Musical, specifically the second half of nightmares. (I only read the first chronicles so far so sorry if I’m missing lore 😅)
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Crysania gets to Raistlin in the void a few moments later. She pleads with Takhisis so save him, and Takhisis does, (at the same cost as usual). Raistlin comes back and kills Takhisis so so easily. Crysania does not notice it. Then, he doesn’t fail the last trial, he goes to Crysania, passes the trial of compassion, and becomes a god. As his first act as a god, he saves her. Her sight and health are not what they were, but she is alive, no longer blinded, and not going to die. She still does not notice it. He asks her to be by his side as he rules as a god. She accepts in a heartbeat.
Slowly the changes come over the world, small to begin with. Caramon is one of the first to notice, and realizes it’s because Raistlin succeeded and became a god. The Last god.
Caramon does not know if he should be happy that his brother succeeded… or afraid. No, he knows. With how he left Raistlin… he should be afraid. Very, very afraid.
Some years after Raistlin ascends, and the changes on the world are becoming bigger and more noticeable, he goes to Solace to visit Caramon.
Raistlin greets Caramon with a smile and a hug. And then, then Caramon notices it. What Crysania didn’t. Perhaps it was a the odd look in Raistlin’s eye, slightly off mannerisms, perhaps not even something visible to the human eye, something only a twin could recognize in their twin. But he notices. And is more terrified than he ever was before
Caramon does his best to pretend to act normal. Like he didn’t see it. Grateful and thrilled to be “truly” reunited with his twin, and that Raistlin succeeded and Takhisis was defeated. Raistlin offers him a seat by his side, not to be his sword, not this time. But to be his brother. Caramon does his best to gratefully decline, saying he wishes to stay with his family, and their place is there. He does not dare to pray that Raistlin does not notice or realize that he knows, because there is no god to pray to, no other god to pray to but him. There’s a flash in Raistlin’s eyes, but he accepts that and leaves. Maybe he doesn’t notice. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn’t care.
The moment Caramon is sure he is gone, he packs up his family and they flee without a trace, to no one knows where. For Caramon saw what , who hadn’t been seen by any since entering the void, who had perhaps been too blinded by love to see - that was not Raistlin Majere.
He does not know what his brother became, but he is something, something else. If he had been to the void he would’ve seen the vague resemblance between the being that was his brother and the creatures, the souls of people Takhisis warped into something else, especially the similarity to the creature, the demon, the puppet, that Dalamar became there, after being murdered by Raistlin.
But he does not know, he flees with his family to the farthest corner of the world. And he hopes that perhaps, even if that doesn’t save them, that they will know a little bit, one more tiny, small as a grain of sand in an hourglass, bit of peace. Before whatever the creature that was once his twin brother, Raistlin Majere, had planned would come to pass.
And the world begins to loose light, the sun and stars not casting the same light they used to, first it becomes sickly, then it fades, to nothing. Until there is nothing. Only flame bringing light, and burning and blinding more often than not. The world made into its own kind of void. Dark shapes and souls struggling and clinging to survival in the dark. People who had learned, do not pray, do not pray to this god, but do not ignore him. They learned their lesson from those who prayed to him and those who denounced him. Do not even dare to hope that he will help you, and hope that he does not notice you.
The world does not pray to, something, not a person, but something that once was, ruling it, and sinking it into the abyss of nothing that the soul it once had went into when it was ripped out.
And instead of dissolving into nothing, the near painless death the world would’ve had, all people in the world know long fear and darkness until the painful, vengeful end.
#the last trial#the last trial musical#dragonlance#raistlin#raistlin majere#crysania#the last trial rock opera#caramon#caramon majere#tahkisis#au#au idea#alternate universe#alternate ending#dragonlance musical#dalamar#dragonlance legends#fantasy
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Just wanted to say thank you for your reply and I loved your thoughts netflix Vesemir <3
Though I feel that the major difference between netflix Vesemir and book/game Vesemir is that the latter never had the opportunity to carry out the Trial of the Grasses after the pogrom happened and then Yennefer basically bringing the ability back in Witcher 3. But remember he kept the table that the boy was strapped to during the Trial and all the other implements for all those decades.
We never really learn why he did so but it's hard to imagine anything other than him hoping on some level to get the ability to make new witchers at some point. Which would mean recreating the Trial of the Grasses, which was not just torturous but to the vast majority of boys a death sentence. And this is without touching on everything else he put the boys of the old generation of witchers through, like the Trial of the Medallion.
Not saying people aren't allowed to love him - ffs I love Raistlin Majere and Lord Soth anyone who knows those characters know they're soooo much worse than Vesemir - I guess it just makes me a bit miffed that fandom is so willing to ignore the brutal and frankly abusive side of Vesemir's character because we never see it that clearly on display in the books or in the games so it gets buried in the kindly grandpa image we get in Witcher 3 and then his fate in that game.
It's one of the things I like about s2 though I wish they had dived more into the reaction the other witchers would have to that whole thing. Or you know, at all. Even the game gives more of a reaction to Vesemir having kept Sad Albert than netflix does to what Vesemir does there.
Oh my god yes. Let's talk about Vesemir.
But first...Raistlin Majere...*strokes beard* I haven't heard that name in a long time. (Dragonlance hive rise uuuup)
Ok but yes. On track again. Vesemir. (sorry this gets very long and passionate and ranty)
So first, I shouldn't have mentioned game Vesemir. I should be up front that I don't know anything about him except that I assume he didn't try to dose Ciri. So, unfortunately, I can't speak to that. And it probably explains how I feel about him. I only have book!Vesemir to compare Netflix!Vesemir to. And here is what we know about him from the books.
What we know:
Geralt tells a priestess that Vesemir is his father, or like one. Geralt very obviously loves him.
Geralt tells his mother that Vesemir gave him his name. He says it in a very defensive way, like he values Vesemir for having been there for him. (of course she corrects him, but that is neither here nor there)
Vesemir disciplines him when he is a child for trapping a honeybee.
Vesemir was his tutor.
Both Ciri and Geralt draw on Vesemir's wisdom when they are in tough situations and think fondly of him
In Season of Storms, he is spoken of as the moral center of witcherdom, opposing witchers killing humans and enacting consequences for those who do.
Vesemir's relationship with Ciri
He is protective of her. Triss commends them for not giving her any elixirs or grases or anything that could affect their hormones. But she also demands they stop giving her the natural herbs around the keep, which sound like some kind of supplements. Vesemir responds gratefully and pledges to do so. He very humbly and quickly says
"we will," promised Vesemir, "and thank you for the warning, child."
He is gentle with her. When Geralt loses his temper with Ciri in a very emotional moment, Vesemir says:
"too severe, Wolf," said Vesemir. "Much too severe..."
He is a patient tutor, drilling her on monster facts, and offering her advice that she calls on later in her life:
"That's why you're learning about ghouls now, Ciri. When you know about something, it stops being a nightmare. When you know how to fight something, it stops being so threatening."
So does that make him an uncomplicated or of morally pure character? No. We know that the trials killed most boys and were horrific. And he was a tutor there. So he was complicit to a certain degree.
Now that is where the most fascinating shit comes from with Vesemir. The mages created witchers, right? The mages created the trials. They ran them. Vesemir was their victim in that sense. He was a boy too.
But at what point does he stop becoming a victim and start being seen as complicit? Is there a certain age or level of consciousness where it stops being ok and he can be seen as an agent of the mages?
There is this whole blank spot in between the pogroms and the present. The questions that most fascinate me are:
Did Vesemir ever believe that what they were doing was wrong?
Did he ever resist or leave? If so, what brought him back?
How closely did he identify himself with his identity and with the mages.
Did he tell the boys what their risks were?
Did he walk them to the laboratories?
How dirty are his hands?
How does he feel about that now?
And now in the present, he is a normal, gentle person. Further, he isn't just a normal person, he is an active positive moral guide for all of witcherdom, and a kindly man that Ciri calls "Uncle Vesemir."
So how did that happen?
I am deeply, deeply just...meh on what Netflix has created for him. It is so anticlimactic for me. They have him (basically) murdering an innocent women in cold blood for money (Nightmare of the Wolf) and then (we hope)
turning a 180 after the seige on Kaer Morhen.
I didn't really buy that and it didn't take into account AT ALL the power structure of the mages vs the witchers. You can have complicated morally gray characters that are nuanced. They are both oppressed and complicit. And they made it like...well, witchers were making monsters that was slaughtering people. So basically that and Vesemir's actions were the instigating forces resulting in the attempted pogroms.
No, no one deserves to be killed for something someone else did (only one of the witchers was making the monsters) but in a world where they have people's limbs and heads chopped off on the spot for minor crimes, you can see how it very predictably led to that.
Instead of institutional racism and bigotry, their destruction was the result of legitimate complaints against them simply taken too far. That is so goddamn uninteresting and simplistic and it doesn't take into account the structure of oppression for witchers.
If they were out here murdering villagers with their monsters, an eye for an eye didn't feel to extreme for these people. Did they deserve a trial? Did people lump them together because of bigotry? Yes. But it played a relatively minor role.
So, the progroms are complicated and Vesemir is complicated and there is a lot of room there for imagining how his story went. But I'm just really think that, as great as Nightmare was as a movie, (it was fantastic just as a movie) as an origin story it was a disappointment. But AT LEAST they set him up for redemption. But then in TWN the man hadn't even changed!!
By the time of the current time, he is supposed to be kindly, gentle, and protective of Ciri!! There is no indication anywhere that he would be alright with anyone doing trials on her, quite the opposite.
I hope you don't regret asking me this question about now. XD I have so many feels. I'm so compelled by Vesemir's story because he is a very very favorite archetype of mine within the witcher.
Person is part of institution, perhaps they got there as a kid. They didn't choose with all the knowledge or in a critical way.
Person finds out institution is abusive or corrupt. They have to make a choice. Yen was like this with the Brotherhood. Cahir with the Nilfgaardian military.
And I feel like Vesemir is this for the witchers. He was brought into the system as a victim. At some point he became complicit, and we don't know to what degree and we don't know what that looked like. But it HAS to make his relationship with the wolves complicated.
I know the games complicate up his relationship with Lambert, and I think that is very fitting and very logical extension of this. It seems like Geralt just loves and forgives whatever role Vesemir had. But not every witcher could respond that way, right? Or should!
So it's fascinating! And complex! And then TWN just has him be an absolute piece of shit, accepting "consent" from a traumatized grieving child, betraying Geralt, BRINGING BACK THE TRIALS SINGLE HANDEDLY WHAT THE FUCK.
I mean you CAN do that? But why would you? He should be a loving figure with a very complicated past, not just a big old turd lololsob.
So now TWN Vesemir is on my shit list. Fuck with Ciri and fuck with Geralt and we're over. I've got him on page one in my burn book. I don't care how hot your ho ass was in NOTW. loloool
That's a fitting place to end this.
Dragonlance forever.
#asks#vesemir#the witcher#the witcher books#twn#twn critical#thinking about the witcher books yet again
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Related to this post, since y'all asked (@sweetwhumpandhellacomf @autophagay @whump-queen) and i don't feel like answering each of you separately; I was talking about the Dragonlance Legends trilogy by Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman (mainly the first book of the trilogy, The Time of the Twins)
Allow me to quickly introduce the central characters of the story :D
First of all, we have the dark mage Raistlin Majere, who has a very bad case of being an edgy D&D pc. He plans to enter the Abyss to destroy Takhisis, the goddess of evil, and ascend into godhood in her stead, and is willing to do anything to achieve that goal, no matter the cost to other people or the world or even to himself. But to gain sufficient power to challenge Takhisis he needs to get his hands on spellbooks written by an ancient dark mage that were destroyed in the Cataclysm over three hundred years ago. And opening the gates of the Abyss may only be done by a black-robed mage of evil and a cleric of Paladine, the god of good, working together - this supposedly impossible condition having been devised long ago to protect the world from the devastating consequences of doing so.
Then we have Crysania of Tarinius; cold, strong-willed, and proud, but somewhat naive, she grew up as the sheltered daughter of a noble family, but traded riches and title for a life of a priestess, a Revered Daughter of Paladine. She is one of the true clerics who have been granted the ability to use divine magic. When Paladine sends her in a dream a warning of Raistlin's evil plans, she goes to confront him, and comes to believe that Raistlin can be redeemed and brought back to the light. Which is exactly what she sets out to attempt.
Then there's Caramon Majere, Raistlin's twin brother. Where Raistlin's power is in his intelligence and his skill with magic, Caramon's is in the strength of his body and his skill with a sword. Where Raistlin, as a child, was ostracized and bullied, Caramon was the popular one. And Caramon is endlessly loyal to Raistlin, and at least half his sense of self is built on being Raistlin's brother, and he wants nothing more than to have the Raistlin he used to know (or thinks he used to know) back. In the past two years, Caramon has tried settling down to live an ordinary life with his wife, but it hasn't really worked out for him.
And then there's also Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Raistlin and Caramon's former adventuring companion, of the "cheerful and well-meaning but doesn't usually think things through, has cleptomaniac tendencies, and is very good at getting himself into trouble and getting into places he definitely wasn't supposed to go" flavor of rogue. (He's a more static character than the three i mentioned above, but he's around so much that I feel I had to mention him by name.) Plus of course there's a number of various side characters.
In the first book of the Legends trilogy, "The Time of the Twins", Raistlin journeys back in time to find the lost spellbooks he needs, and other mages, in an attempt to stop him, send Crysania and Caramon back in time, to the city of Istar ruled by the priests of Paladine, to a time just before the disastrous Cataclysm that will wipe the city off the map. And Tas tags along with the two, despite really not being supposed to.
In the name of fairness, though, I do need to warn you that this is american high fantasy written in the 80s. Which means that it contains to varying degrees a number of the problematic and iffy tropes that are unfortunately typical to the genre and the time period. Crysania is... almost surprisingly well-written and complex, for a female character in 80s fantasy, and generally speaking I find her an interesting character, but she does still get a few misogynistic tropes sent her way and is nearly raped (only nearly, it doesn't actually happen, but if it's a particularly squicky topic for you, you might wanna tread carefully there) at one point in the second book. Plus then you have the "certain sentient races are fundamentally evil and/or stupid while others are neutral and elves for the most part tend towards good but are snobby assholes about it" trope which is always a bit questionable, and some other nonsense like that. I would say that for the most part the iffy stuff is either "that aged poorly/is a product of its time" or "the authors have some probably unconscious biases/didn't think the implications of this thing through" etc. rather than the result of active and malicious bigotry, and personally i approach these things mostly with the attitude of "there's no such thing as a morally pure book anyway and fantasy as a genre has traditionally had a huge problem with racist/sexist/homophobic/in some other way bigoted tropes so it's better to just try and be conscious about those while reading than swear off reading any over 10 years old fantasy books altogether", but your tolerance for these things may vary and it's up to you.
The amount of physical injury whump in the books is relatively limited (although if you're into magically-induced... i dunno, chronic illness, for lack of a better word, you're in for a treat with Raistlin), but the amount of angst, and the amount of manipulative and fucked up character dynamics are fun, and there's the occasional case where someone gets hurt physically as well. But do also keep in mind that healing magic is a Thing in the setting and Crysania is a cleric, and adjust your expectations accordingly (although near the end of the second book Caramon does get hurt a little bit at a point where Crysania has her hands full of other stuff and he ends up spending like half of his appearance in the third book limping around bc of that, so that was fun)
I'd also say that out of the three main characters, the one whose story the books are most concerned with telling is Caramon. (The Russian musical adaptation shifts the focus around more to Raistlin.) Like all of them are important and get time devoted to their perspectives and their stories, but ultimately I think the question the books are the most concerned with answering is whether Caramon is able to find his own legs to stand on and his own path to walk, whether he's able to find something better to build his identity on than being Raistlin's brother.
Also, the Legends trilogy technically is a sequel to Dragonlance Chronicles trilogy (Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Dragons of Winter Night, Dragons of Spring Dawning). Raist, Caramon, and Tas were all central characters in the Chronicles as well, and you'll also meet some other characters who were introduced in Chronicles, and there will be references to events that took place in that trilogy. Don't stress about it too much, I guarantee you that the Legends trilogy stands perfectly well on its own as a story even if you haven't read the Chronicles, I haven't read the Chronicles either (or, I started it, but never got further than the first book bc the pacing was sorta awkward and it wasn't very good at obfuscating the game mechanics so there were places where it was painfully clear that something was a game mechanic or that some moment was a dice roll with a certain result, and I just found it pretty distracting. The Legends is a lot better about it, idk if that's because it's not directly based on a playable commercial campaign or because the authors had just gotten better since starting Chronicles or what)
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WIP Meme
I was tagged by @skull-bearer to post the sentences from my WIP where one or more of these words appears:
Words: moon | searching | shadow | tides | wait
This is from the Palin Majere fic; some parts I've posted and some not yet.
Moon:
"But he cannot know that,” the elven wizard said. There was clear reluctance in his voice; he spoke as if obligation were dragging the words out of him.
Palin held back the twitch in his face with effort. He did know. Despite the fullness of the white moon that had guided him through the Iron Wood, he was certain that satellite was not the Solinari he known on Krynn. The pale god had no place in this realm, and any vows Palin swore were unlikely to be noted.
Searching:
“Let me down, beast,” the elf over Nabon’s shoulder rasped.
Nabon cast a glance at Palin, who barely had the energy to nod. The giant set Elidor on the ground and watched as the old mage steadied himself, searching for his balance after too long off his feet. The bony hands of the elf came up to slowly wipe away the tracks of tears that had left long streaks across the thin brown skin of his face.
Shadow:
“It’s not true,” he whispered. “I would have tried, but there was nothing to be done. There was nothing to be done.”
Despite the open daylight and how clear and shadowless the woods appeared, Palin still thought that he could see the edge of a black robe somewhere up ahead, flapping in the wind, was certain that he heard Raistlin's distant, mocking whisper:
Liar, Nephew. Liar.
Tides: (I added this bit in to fit the meme, and I like it!)
“It should not have,” Elidor agreed. “And yet…”
“And yet it did?” Palin guessed.
“Yes. It worked. Every time. Nothing held me back from darker spells, until such a time came as I found myself performing works that even a Red Robe would hesitate to cast. And still they worked. No warning ever came from the White moon, no new force to change the slow tides of my spiritual corruption."
Wait:
“Palin!” the young woman called out to him as she dropped lightly onto the dirt of the town centre. “Wait!”
Palin adopted a firm pace, striding toward the border of Solace. When he heard Usha call his name again and start in pursuit, he began to run.
New words:
corrupt | futile | spell | grimace | senses
You don't have to use all of the words! Can be from already posted fic, and art works too.
Tagging: @lordansketil , @lilybarthes , @emeraldgreaves , @rawmanticism , @dreamofpeppermints
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Uh oh. New ship alert.
So I’m currently writing a DragonLance fic, which is Tanis/Raistlin set in the Brothers Majere era. And I’m trying very hard not to get distracted from it, because I was blocked for a while on it, and now I’ve broken through that impasse and am happily making progress. But as is often the case when my brain is happily chugging along, it’s also tossing up new ideas, and I was just struck by an absolute lightning bolt of inspiration that I simply have to offer up for consideration.
Feal-Thas/Raistlin.
Feal-Thas is my winner of the #1 Underappreciated Fandom Blorbo Award: DragonLance Edition. I love my evil wolf mage boi so much, you don’t even know, I fixated so fucking hard on this guy when I was twelve it’s honestly hysterical. I may still have some really janky fanart somewhere. Shared blorbo fixation aside, though... he and Raistlin honestly have a lot of interesting parallels? They have at least as much in common as Raistlin and Dalamar do when it comes to the outcast background, but Feal-Thas is way more genuinely ruthless and ambitious.
Also, while Feal-Thas is a Dragon Highlord and ostensibly the enemy of the Companions of the Lance, he is fully aware of the fact that Ariakas is a racist bastard and will always distrust Feal-Thas purely because he’s an elf. He’d be intrigued by Raistlin’s sheer power and potential, and I think that if Raistlin made a good enough case - which you know he’d be able to do - Feal-Thas might just see the way the wind is blowing and be open to defecting from the Dragonarmies. After all, who needs to quibble over mortal territories when the most interesting person you’ve met in centuries has just hinted that they have a good idea of how to become a god?
(This is especially alluring to me because I ship Raistlin/Dalamar by sheer dint of chemistry, but Enemies To Lovers is inherently a trope much more to my tastes than the Master/Apprentice dynamic those two have got going on, which is something I have to actively write out of the picture before I can really develop that ship. There’s a reason basically all my fic ideas for Raistlin and Dalamar involve them abandoning the Tower in Palanthas and starting out on some new venture on equal footing. Yes, this personal preference is also why I don’t write Star Wars fic despite having a whole bunch of pairings I like in that fandom. I can read those dynamics just fine, I’m just not comfortable writing them.)
Anyway. If anything comes of this line of thinking, it’ll be after my current DL fic. I just needed to get this off my chest, because holy shit, I think I just fell in love with a whole new rarepair. Of that exalted they-never-even-met-in-canon flavour, no less, lol.
(Also the easiest way to get Raistlin and Feal-Thas to meet is to just straight swap Sturm and Raistlin’s places when the Companions split up, which is fantastic, because it also lets me keep Sturm alive quite easily. Because fuck Sturm dying just when I was really starting to like him.)
Hey @theobscurepotato, are you surprised to find out that I was hyperfixated on an evil wizard shapeshifter with a white wolf motif? XD
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1 & 9 for the asks?
1: who is/are your comfort character(s)?
We didn't really vibe with the whole idea of comfort characters. The term sort of grates on us in a way that favorite character doesn't. it doesn't feel like we have any right now. previous favorite ones include kopaka and lewa from bionicle, klik from pocket god, Marco from animorphs, apollo justice from ace attorney, and tasslehoff from dragonlance (with keene, sindri suncatcher, and raistlin majere having honorable mentions).
9: which do you prefer, hot coffee or cold coffee?
cold coffee. Hot drinks hurt our mouth and cold ones are pleasantly sweet.
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Последнее Испытание 12/12/22
Cast:
Рейстлин — Евгений Егоров
Крисания — Елена Минина
Карамон — Руслан Герасименко
Такхизис — Дарья Бурлюкало
Король-Жрец — Алексей Толстокоров
Даламар — Ярослав Баярунас
Пар-Салиан — Денис Давыдов
Тика/Суккуб — Александра Штолина
Призрак Матери — Дарья Январина
In the past three days, I watched this stream three times. Zhenya’s Raistlin is a rational man, almost too rational, rationalizing to the point of irrationality. Though, he mercilessly follows his obsession to the very end.
I love the portrayed image of the mother’s ghost. She died when Majere brothers were very young, so in their memories, she is ageless, forever young.
Minina’s Crysania is vocally very strong. In this performance, she seems more torn than in her other performances. Her Crysania is also very secure in her beliefs, almost as comparable as Raistlin’s. I love the dynamics when these two stubborn proud figures intertwine their paths. It is noticeable that despite all the worldly knowledge, magical power, and enormous ambition that Raistlin has, it is his weakness - his illness - that drew Crysania to him. Of course, Raistlin exploits it to the end.
Another noticeable thing between Raistlin and Caramon is how the state of their relationship is often portrayed with their hands. Yes, literal hands. In the beginning of the act 1, Raistlin shoves away Caramon’s hand before leaving to find Crysania. Similarly in the act 2, after the war, Caramon shakes away Raistlin’s hand on his shoulder, offering the minimal gesture to comfort his brother after he realized that he had been used and betrayed once again by his beloved twin brother. However, after Raistlin’s breakdown at confronting Takhisis during his most intimate moment with Crysania, he trembles on the ground, with Caramon by his side. Caramon offers his hand to Raistlin, and Raistlin holds on to it. Raistlin falls asleep, and Caramon leaves.
Zhenya’s Raistlin has a firm goal and coldly calculates every moves. He also doesn’t make an attempt to glorify himself. It is what it is, thus it should be what shall be - is his logic to everything he does. There are only rights and wrongs and nothing in between, such rights and wrongs determined by whether it’s a step forward or backward to his goal. Though, there are some moments that appeared quite sincere in his encounter with Crysania - e.g. соблазнение. Crysania sees and accepts Raistlin for what he is. Raisitlin briefly let his vulnerability and self-consciousness appear, before his doubt takes over and Takhisis seizes him. I think I saw Raistlin’s tears at the moment, genuinely sadden by his own inability to accept such love and relationship. Indeed heartbreaking.
Caramon’s lullaby. Raistlin is too far gone. All Caramon can offer him is his hand. And I feel devastated beyond words.
Испытыние огнем - Raistlin and Crysania are both alone in the world, lost all they had. Raistlin had lost Caramon. Crysania had lost her god. All they had left was each other. There is something very desperate about it.
In the abyss, the mother’s ghost is actively luring the death towards herself, away from Raistlln. Up until now, I had thought that it had been Takhisis who summoned the death to keep the mother’s ghost away from Raistlin. It was quite eyeopening to see the same scene yet with different interpretations. After the departure of the mother’s ghost, Raistlin is so utterly defeated. He puts up no resistance and follow Takhisis almost unconsciously to death.
After defeating Takhisis, Raistlin is so calm in explaining and pushing away Crysania for the last time - leaving her to die alone. Again, his manner is so utterly calm. He again calmly asserts - this is why I did what I did and what I will do. There is no exaggeration nor emotions in his words, as if he is explaining the most obvious phenomenon to the child. His final light kiss on Crysania’s hand was too cold and cruel, again offering the minimal polite gesture before shoving her away.
Raistlin breaks down gradually yet completely throughout the entire musical. It’s both cathartic and heartbreaking.
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