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prideflagcontest · 3 months
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Hi there! I have a bit of a strange request for you, if that's okay. I'm currently in the process of planning/writing a longer Star Fox fic that prominently features Panther, and by extension, the FoxPanth ship, and I was wondering if you could give any pointers on writing Panther and/or him and Fox together?
This isn't strange at all! I'm even delighted, like, someone asking me about a pairing that I originally thought almost no one else would enjoy, and so they can write it too? It's like a dream, my gosh!
Give me one more second, like, I'm so amazed that this happened with my rare pair for Fox/Panther. FOXPAN! Of all pairs, I'm thrilled!
Ok, ok! Let's see what advice I can scrounge up for you.
A lot of people are under the impression that Panther is a pretty clear cut character in one regard or the other, but he actually offers a lot of flexibility to write about. That's probably why I gravitate to using him so often for Star Fox content.
Writing him playing off of Fox has a surprisingly enjoyable kind of chemistry, but it depends on what you go for with them. Coming to me means that you're in for the shipping, so, that I can help with!
Kind of prefacing that a bit because I know this is going under a cut, which I'm adding in here. More below, of course! Also, it's going to be a lot longer than you're expecting, so...I'm hoping that helps!
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~Panther's Background~
Ok, I'll start with Panther as a character, since understanding how you want to portray him is the first part to nail down right.
People kind of mistake Panther to be a flat villain and a basically a pervy flirt, nothing more needed to build his character. It's easy to write him off as such, given how little canon support the games give.
There are some very, very crucial elements that he's given with his appearances, however, and they tend to be overlooked.
First and foremost, a lot of folks like to lump Panther in as "just another Star Wolf crony," which is fair if you don't focus on him.
However! What's critical that too many people ignore is that, in Panther's debut appearance, that's a brand new Star Wolf too. With the story for Star Fox: Assault being what it was, Panther is part of the Star Wolf team that no longer operates as mere mercenaries for the main villain and the obvious rival team, but he's part of a team that becomes allies to Fox and friends by the endgame.
Anyone can take that any way they want, but Panther is basically part of the lightest and kindest, perhaps even the most fleshed out version of Star Wolf. So, people that gleefully like pairing Fox off with Wolf because he has those "hey pup" lines? They should very well like the roster from Assault, because that's the installment that gave the most credibility to Wolf even being capable of defecting.
There's a lot of ways that it could be explained, but notably, Panther is the new big member on the main roster. Sure, they could fill a seat with anyone, but look at who they chose: this lighthearted goofball that enjoys playing with his rivals as much as he does causing trouble. A far cry from the likes of Leon, Pigma, and Andrew, who were on the more ruthless side of Star Wolf.
Many like Panther to be along that side too, and depending on how you want to characterize him, that could work out.
My personal preference, however, is that Panther is part of the catalysts that helps Wolf defect from being fully evil.
He's less interested in hurting civilians and being some kind of hotshot assassin. There's no hard support that Panther's criminal record involves heavy war crimes and murder, and canon biographies about him state him to be an elusive criminal that troubled Cornerian army officials.
Rather, Panther is entertained by causing mischief and enjoys playing around. He's cunning, but in ways to further his goals and those of his allies, not to play as a pawn in another's schemes.
I like to create the background that Wolf and Leon got low and desperate when searching for new recruits, and after meeting up with Panther, they adopt similar traits from him, easing up on their rougher traits in favor of getting their work done.
Basically, I favor the idea that Panther helped make Wolf better. (Which is totally a fun basis for Wolf/Panther, something that I've wanted to write for a few years too, lol.)
~Characterizing Panther~
It really depends on what you're doing with writing him, because you can make him a criminal even still and have that work nicely. However, I tend to give him ways out of being locked into a shadier background, focusing on his lighter traits, and making him more of a "gentleman thief" type of character foremost.
(For reference, I made him that kind of a thief in my fanfic, "Your Thieving Heart," because I really enjoy the idea that Panther's a cat burglar, as opposed to...well, whatever other people prefer.)
If you're focusing on an action or adventure story, I'd recommend using his craftier traits to help him stand out. Panther likes to play head games, because he'll tease and taunt his opponents, baffling them silly until they're clueless to his true motives.
He's also a skillful shot; in Star Fox: Command, Panther is the only playable character that does not use a Lock system for his Wolfen, which means that he makes a single shot that pierces most opponents. And in Assault, he makes a good support to both Star Wolf, and later on, Star Fox, so he can coordinate well in dogfights and combat too.
A story that's geared less to fighting, such as a drama or a comedy, would focus more on Panther's playful traits. Obviously his flirting, which I'll get to in a moment, but also, tweak the way that his playful and cunning manifests.
His teasing can be used to hide other facets of his character (maybe he's actually hurting and lonely deep down) or otherwise his goals (maybe he wants to get flowers for a partner and jokes about missing a meeting to do so).
His smarts can be used to show a more analytic or thoughtful side to him; while Panther isn't the type that would be the smartest in the room, he's absolutely underestimated by everyone, and can get away with a lot of surprises as a result.
Character flaws are pretty simple. Panther can be arrogant, so he can go a little too far touting his prowess and skill, as well as take his joking a little overboard without realizing when to back down. Since he is a criminal, he definitely has a less than luster past, which can hold him back, depending on how you want to write his criminal history. Also, I tend to think of him as a type that comes across charismatic and social, but in reality wants something quieter.
That last bit has support from a profile description in Command, which states that while Panther proclaims himself to be a "ladies' cat," he actually is known to fall "totally and completely in love" with his partner.
So, where people tend to limit him to being confident and flirty, that's the short and simple version to Panther. The deeper way to flesh his character out is to make him a hopeless romantic type, who craves and wants to find someone special to help fulfill his life.
Because a large portion of Panther's character gets limited to flirting with Krystal in his two major appearances, he's not given time to really show off the depths of his feelings. (I think Command tried, but that story got botched in a few too many places.)
He's not a misogynistic type, if I remember correctly, because he doesn't make any crude comments to berate or belittle Krystal's character, but rather, makes strong efforts to prime up his character instead, doing his best to come across as enticing and viable to her as possible.
Panther is super desperate and longing for love, and he's not above trying whatever methods he can to get there.
~Shipping With...Fox!~
So, how does Fox come into play on that? It's pretty easy, since Fox is also a flexible character as virtue of being the main player controlled character for the franchise. In other words, you can project a lot onto Fox in manners however you might like.
There are specific traits to Fox that remain part of his core character, however. He's obviously a strong leader, leading the legendary Star Fox team. If we go by Star Fox 64's ending, he's pretty humble, given that he turns down joining military ranks (presumably greater glory) to keep his life in a freer style with his contract work. (This gets played up as the series goes along, though Fox was actually pretty cocky in Star Fox 64, and somewhat so in Star Fox: Adventures as well.)
Given how his personality matures by the time of Star Fox: Assault and whatever went on with Star Fox: Command, Fox is something of a type that does abide by rules and doing the greater good type of work, but still retains some of his "off the books" or "go it alone" type of work.
So, since he's a hero that dances close to more lawful work, though still manages to find ways to slide around for what his objectives desire, that does make him a mostly "no nonsense" type, though on the friendlier and nicer side, of course. Fox can be portrayed as pretty orderly, in other words, and doesn't favor causing more trouble than he can handle, even if he's not above it.
Does that sound like something of an inverse to Panther, who tends to get into trouble and be mischievous? I should hope so!
Because they have foiled personalities from one another, that gives Fox and Panther elements of "opposites attract," since Panther can be silly and troublesome, while Fox tries to be serious and respectful. Panther has a shadier history with the Cornerian Army and his past is riddled with mystery and lack of depth. Fox, meanwhile, has staunchly strong and heroic ties with the Cornerian Army, who rely and count on his efforts to help them out. Additionally, he has a fair amount of his background explored as well, especially so compared to the enigma that is Panther.
Going by how flustered Fox gets in Star Fox: Adventures, Assault, and Command, he's also a bit sloppier in the romance department. He's seen as a stammering type, and shier around those that show interest in him, namely how Krystal does in the former two installments. He ends up being too protective of her in the last game included for that group, and kicks her from the team thinking that it was the safer option, when it really did nothing to stop her.
Those that ship Fox with Falco can also write him in angles to being oblivious to love, since Falco tends to be a bit harsh with Fox, which many like to write as him being guarded with his true feelings. So, combined with the information above, Fox is something of a romantic novice or rather inept at it.
Panther, whether he's actually good at romance or just likes to think he is, still comes across as an opposite to Fox on that level too. Whereas Fox falters and hesitates in romantic matters, Panther boldly strides forward to do his best in a quest for love.
There are some tricks to helping Fox and Panther work even better than just playing off of their foil traits however.
For starters: Both can be portrayed as very lonely souls.
Fox is a character that lost his parents at a young age, with his mother being out of the picture in every game installment, and his father dead before he's even 18. That's rough stuff, at least in my book. So, I'd consider that Fox has some isolated sides to his character that not everyone knows about, and that he has a side that grieves for his loved ones, and a side that longs to find a way to be loved and cherished in some manner once more.
Huh, does that sound familiar again? Someone that desperately wants to find love to fill a void in his life?
Oh wait, that's literally part of Panther's core too!
See, both Fox and Panther are seekers of love. While Fox may not be as forward with his intentions, he cares deeply for his team, his allies, and his planet, if not the entire Lylat galaxy. While Panther may not have such grand showings for compassion, he'd be the type that would be impressed, if not charmed, by someone so compassionate and caring.
If you take the idea that Panther helped make Wolf and Leon better, then it's likely that he also has a good deal of compassion in him too, seeing the best in people that the rest of Corneria and Lylat write off as the worst out there. Finding the light in the darkness is a kind of hopeful trait that Fox would absolutely be drawn to, since he can struggle to do the same.
Of course, both Panther and Fox are also skilled pilots, so, they have at least that much in common. Fox's skills are something that have outright impressed Panther in canon, and he compliments Fox a few times in both Star Fox: Assault and Star Fox: Command, commending Fox as his personal rival. It's not hard at all to shift that from mere respect to a deeper admiration.
Both are also very loyal and willing to see their goals through to the end. Fox proves this repeatedly in the games, but Panther shows such qualities in his appearances too, sticking by Wolf's side in spite of the challenges they face, and committing to his goals until they either are toppled enough to stop him, or until they are fully realized in a capacity that satisfies Panther well enough.
Typically, I like to mix things between "opposites attract" and "like attracts likes," to balance them out. Both Fox and Panther want to not be lonely and fall in love, to share their lives with someone. They're both also types that would be lonely in a crowd, though none are likely to suspect so, since they both come across confident and social enough to prove otherwise. Fox may find Panther's slippery side somewhat alluring, since he follows a freedom that Fox may sometimes wish he had from his more uptight and legacied life. Panther, meanwhile, might find Fox's loyalty and noble traits very endearing, because that means he'd firmly stand beside anyone that he committed himself to, something that Panther absolutely wants.
Naturally, you can play around with how you might like to portray them, based on the choices you'd make with your story, but those are some elements that I noticed and liked to help build it up.
While a lot of it is fairly made up with loose ties to canon, that's kind of the point to many fanfics. And even still, there is enough canon support to characterize Panther and Fox in a way that could make them a harmonized duo, to the point of romantic involvement.
Phew! Even I didn't realize how much I'd have to write about them until I actually put it all down, lol.
I do hope that you find this helpful. If you want any more information with building the pairing up for writing, please let me know! I'd love to increase the support that FoxPan gets out there, haha!
Thank you for asking too! This was a lot of fun to write out.
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jimmyfr · 2 years
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Hello, this one is a silly story for fun. It references this ask here, so blame it.
It’s basically a gag story where Star Wolf does their usual battle entrance stuff, except they drag it out, and Star Fox pokes fun at them the whole time.
Also, some shipping stuff, because it’s me: Wolf/Leon and Panther/Fox. You’re welcome for that disaster! (Also, passing hints of Fox/Krystal, Fox/Wolf, and Fox/Falco, but don’t let them know that Slippy was right.)
Though I’m not the funniest, I gave it an effort, so, enjoy!
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Visibility is everything!
There were enough Panther/Fox stories to be pushed up through the ranks to the Top 10 relationships for the Star Fox fandom on AO3.
Granted, that’s not saying a lot when Fox/Sonic is on that list, but I’m still very happy to have helped push my guilty pleasure pairing into view.
Kudos to my fellow FoxPan shippers! We did it! Even if it doesn’t last forever, the moment is nice while it happens!
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echoeternally · 3 years
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👅👎💤 for Star Fox!
Oh, specific request for non-Mario content! I'm down for this, lol.
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Ship that you find most sexy: 👅
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Panther/Fox, naturally. They're my guilty pleasure, and now I've gotten to the point that I've spread the pairing to other bold fanfic writers. Clearly superior rare pair!
...I'll never give up on them...
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Ship that you can never see happening: 👎
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Literally everything past Fox/Krystal and maybe Fox/Falco, because Command's canon, LOL! ...Why must SF fans suffer so...?
Anyway, if this is personally what I never want to see, then my low bar is anything with Andross or Pigma paired with virtually anyone else. I don't see it often, but I know they've got shippers out there...
Bleh.
(Tbf, Pigma fans are a bit deprived, I guess. But, eh.)
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Ship that is canon but you don’t ship: 💤
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...Ships that are canon...? In Star Fox???
Uh...oh! Peppy/Peppy's Wife, who is mostly unseen and barely mentioned! (Command gave her name as Vivian, which is what I normally stick with, but idk if that's even correct or if they just made her name up themselves!)
Technically, I think Peppy having at least a wife is mentioned in supplement material (like the game manual?) in at least the Japanese version of Star Fox 64. As for the actual games themselves besides Command, she doesn't appear and is left never mentioned.
So, like, why even bother by that point? It's unnecessary.
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Ah, what encouragement by blog surfers will bring. Chaos.
So, readers wanted me to try writing a Fox/Panther fanfic, since I’ve admitted that they are a conceptually cute rare pairing that I enjoy. (They have no ship name, but I call them “foxpan” since that sounds cute.)
However, Star Fox canon is relatively weird these days (with the only thing that’s ever definite is Lylat Wars from Star Fox 64, which has been retold at least 3 different ways). Nintendo’s choices on where the story goes, or doesn’t, has been pretty up in the air over the years. (Pun unintended but accepted.)
As a result, it’s hard to tell where the story should fall, considering that Panther is hanging out in the “future pending” void with Krystal, Tricky, the Aparoids, those freaky fish people, and General Scales.
Yet, I remain undeterred, and wrote up a possible way that Panther can still exist in the series, should it follow the events of Star Fox: Zero and that somehow reboots the franchise story. (Which I don’t think it is, but I can’t really tell what Nintendo wants to do at this point.)
If you’re up for chase sequences where infamous thief Panther Caroso gets in deep with Lylat’s heroic Fox McCloud, this is a fanfic for you! (And if that actually gets you into this super rare pairing, you’re welcome.)
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Good news for the 3 fans of this pairing, and bad news for the 12 other remaining Star Fox fans: I made a new gay one-shot for Fox/Panther!
You’re welcome.
Normally, I’m not a fan of Star Fox: Command’s plot (years ago I passionately despised it), but I challenged myself to use that canon for a shipfic.
It’s fairly cute, and no, I don’t think it’s bashing Krystal at all. (She escapes all of the romantic drama by just taking off. Good for her.)
Also, it sort of flows organically, since Panther and Fox slowly open their feelings to one another. It’s...not totally rushed...or forced...look, it is cute, so just focus on that and everything will be fine. Promise!
Anyway, if you’re into Star Fox, gay things, or both, feel free to give this one a read! And hopefully, enjoy it too.
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echoeternally · 4 years
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Ok, so, to that one person that asked for it, here’s a whole short story on FoxPan goodness. You’re absolutely welcome. 
My solution for Panther and Fox not hating each other was having Panther basically appear right after the Lylat Wars! What a twist!
...Look, I just wanted to try complying with the most recent continuity. I tried, ok? It sort of works...until the next game ruins it, but, whatever.
Anyway, to all of my...uh...do I have Star Fox fans among my readers? Well, if I do, and you like the gay, here you go! Enjoy.
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Just recently posted this one, but one more bump is always nice!
It’s a Star Fox fanfic! I still write those, lol. This story follows one of the endings from Star Fox: Command, but focuses on a mostly unheard of angle.
And that’s because I make Panther discover he’s totally into Fox.
Though it’s just a one-shot, I think it’s a pretty cute story, and I think this pairing has underrated potential. Also, I have followers and/or readers that totally dig it too, so like, I’m not alone thinking that. 
Look, if you like gay animal dudes, you’ll enjoy it, probably. Try it!
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echoeternally · 4 years
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Quick Question : How would you feel about Panther X Fox from Star Fox?
Who told you about this?!
Ah, I could go on for a while, but this is indeed a pairing that I do like.
To keep it short, I headcanon Panther as the type to flirt with everyone, unlike in the games. Fox is very easily flustered, which is actually canon.
So, I always thought that if Panther were to try throwing out flirts at everyone, he’d get to Fox, who would stutter and blush out of confusion, and then Panther would pause. That’s when he gets this stupid slow smile, and finds that Star Fox’s leader is his new favorite interest.
I could go on, but I think we can leave it at that.
My point is that they have potential to be cute, but most people ship Fox with Krystal, Falco, or Wolf, so...yeah.
(This is without mentioning my abandoned Star Fox fanfic ideas, which I’m going to update in the future. Panther was one of many love interest options for Fox, but that was overwhelming to get to everyone, and I never got there. Panther was one of my favorite options because his was lighthearted compared to other romance options.)
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echoeternally · 4 years
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Could you potentially write a one-shot of Fox/Panther?
You know, I don’t normally take requests anymore, but seeing the few notes my last post about the two of them got, and since it’s my guilty pleasure ship, I very well just might roll one out.
I feel like a one-shot might be a bit difficult, because you have to give a solid pivot moment for readers to go, “Wait, Fox with Panther? But they hate each other, right?”
They need that, “Oh wait, this could work...?” moment before you get the ball rolling. (It shouldn’t be hard, since Panther and Fox can pull off fair characterization flexibility.)
Eh, I’ll think it over and simplify, provided that there is still enough interest.
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echoeternally · 3 years
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Testing strawpoll again with a very important question.
I’ve written 3 fanfics concerning both pairings involved, and I noticed neither belonged to the Mario or Pokémon franchises.
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(Because in all honestly, random odd Pokémon ships and Peach/Pauline will probably stand out over these for me overall, but like...this feels fresh, idk.)
So I was like, “Well hey, which of these do people feel fits me better?”
And I realized after making this that Star Fox will probably win because it’s more popular than Watership Down, but I guess we’ll test that. 
Which boyfriends suit me better...? Help me decide and learn!
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jimmyfr · 2 years
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