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sparring-spirals · 17 days

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Compromise. Im not going to actually WRITE meta but i AM going to lay out a list of things I'm thinking about broadly and thematically and would probably write meta about if i were properly caught up and informed, but is instead influenced much more by early campaign F.C.G:

**edit: no this is kind of meta again. sorry.

- F.C.G grappling with the questions of: being made. purpose. whether it matters if you find your own purpose if you were made with one in mind and you "choose" something else. Can you actually? Does it matter? Is your choice a choice at all?

- Wanting so badly to heal people and help people and the unique fear of waking up and seeing damage done by your own hands. To the same people you wanted so badly to help. You extend healing and you offer comfort or kind words but all the while, in your core is a tightness. In your core is a danger. How much good do you need to do to get the blood off your chassis? Can you, at all?

- Metal body. Metal hands. A little wheel. You were a turtle once and it felt so wondrous to breathe. You try out tongues or little wooden legs or whatnot but it always comes back to an inorganic metal body and empty insides no matter if youre filling them with liquids or secret goods to smuggle or pastries (faux warmth). Maybe everything like wooden legs dangling off a metal body. All for show.

- A coin in hand. Looking for a higher power. Thinking about choice. Deferring choices.

- You love your friends, so much. You love people being kind to each other. You love your boyfriend and their wonderful way of thinking. You love being alive. Even when you doubted you were at all. You love, truly and deeply.

- Ashton raging at F.C.G for being a martyr. For aching for a good enough reason to get himself hurt or killed or blown up. Ashton looking at F.C.G knowing they're all messed up inside and trying so hard to stop them from letting it destroy them.

- Ashton always worried about how they're always trying to find a big enough cause, a good enough reason.

And so with those things, I remembered about F.C.G:

- F.C.G looking at their friends all down. Ashton laid out unmoving.

- F.C.G with something awful in their core. Ready to spill out. The same something awful they were always worried about. They were always aware of.

- F.C.G always looking for that reason. For that bigger and better cause.

- F.C.G always feeling like they didn't understand purpose, like it was so. unattainable- finally, briefly, startlingly- sure. Finally free of doubt. Their friends down and something awful and destructive in their core and one last thing they can do to maybe make things worth it, and the ability to choose it. They were made for something. They chose what to do with it.

- F.C.G finding that reason. F.C.G making that call. F.C.G thinking it was worth it.

- I think because of him, they succeeded. They won. That is certain.

- I think. "Worth it". Is always a subjective thing.

- I think. A self sacrifice is never just one person giving everything up. A self sacrifice, unfortunately- is one person making a choice.

And everyone else caught, in the blast radius.

#critical role #cr spoilers #cr liveblogging #c3e91 #fcg #AH SHIT. THIS IS META AGAIN. FUCK #sorry. i. god. look. you all knew what you signed up for when you followed me right. im sorry #look im certain i missed 40 episodes of character dev i just need to word vomit where my brain is at given my context #character meta #spar speaks #fcg meta #i. GUESS. if other people want to take any portion of it and chew through it in a more informed way please be my gues #id love to. know things #ive got a lot of emotions to parse and im also about to make a ton of slightly terrible jokes if im not writing meta leggo

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the-story-of-how-we-died · 2 years

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This is just my interpretation of events, but to me it feels like Sam's really leaning into "FCG's fundamentally different from other humaniods".

Despite also having a soul, I do think FCG's different on a fundamental level, He thinks different, he acts different in moments of stress. Which is why the compulsion spell - while clearly being a bad idea - felt in character for them.

It feels like something Sam wants to explore, how FCG would be different from other people, how their morals would differ. His philosophy feels like "the end justifies the means".

Is Laudna being back a good thing? Then doing anything to get her back is, by extension, a good thing.

It's an interesting thing to explore, especially with a party of people who's morals are pretty different from that. At least, in my opinion. And I understand that people might be upset that he chose to explore that inside a resurrection ritual, but to me, there feels like no better time to highlight the fundamental difference in between Letters and the other Hell's.

I don't think FCG would of done it if it felt like a bad idea to them, and following the path of "How could someone think that this is a good idea?" leads to a lot of interesting interactions.

And this is definitely just me, but it seems like the Hell's are consistently pushing Letters to act and think more like them, which I think Letters, on a deeper level, is starting to resent. They knows they're different, and the other's pushing only makes them realize it even more.

#cr #critical role #cr meta #Letters #Fresh Cut Grass #FCG #FCG meta #critical role spoilers #campaign 3 #I dont know. I understand why people are upset #but to me #it makes a lot of sense

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kshaar · 1 year

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during their interrogation of the ruby vanguard guy, when tuldus mentions not living under the gods anymore, we have

which sam follows up with

and then

[later he also calls it "a good idea", which he's clearly doing to make tuldus more comfortable so I'm ignoring that one]

but it's got me ruminating on whether the fact that he's an AEORmaton is actually relevant to how FCG conceptualizes gods? and their belief? because we saw the factorum malleus we saw how avalir treated purvon maybe even if FCG doesn't Remember his history he still is a product of his time?

it's interesting because like his sleeper agent trigger seems to be hardcoded into him just like his healing is, but even if he is a "cleric", his BELIEF is not hardcoded into him. did aeor discover pathways to "divine" healing without gods? is what he does not divine healing? What the Fuck Were Those Age of Arcanum Assholes Up To?

#fcg meta #i really hope we get to see devexian again if not other aeormatons #& like we did the nott-veth transformation & we did the charlie-devexian transformation are we going to go for a third?#a machine exists that is capable of it!!#critical role #cr meta

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swordscleric · 1 year

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I wonder (and do secretly hope) that shithead is a remnant of fcg’s past in aeor but for the exact same reason that he keeps tormenting them - because fcg’s big shiny head makes the perfect target

#critical role #critrole #critical role spoilers #fresh cut grass #fcg meta #do not ask me how shithead has survived all this time it is simply magic

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tiredqueermushroom · 2 years

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Post CR3 Episode 36 Thoughts: FCG and the Price of a Soul

There is something profound at the fact FCG'S soul is more amorphous and ethereal compared to the others and light is dimer but isn't any less real or important. They're soul is new, not in age but in maturity FCG is still figuring himself out, yet to truly define who he is, what's their purpose is.

Will this change how they go into battle? Will he think twice before taking damage for one of his friends? They have a soul to protect and nourish now, to shape into something that isn't defined by their past. Does the wrongs FCG committed hold more weight now, things that were out of his control, the people they hurt. Do they weigh more heavily on him?

#cr spoilers #fcg critical role #fcg #fcg meta #cr meta #my meta #i have so may question!?!?#how will this change fcg?#will it change how fcg views the world as well as himself #im very excited

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ludinusdaleth · 17 days

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sam's character, veth, put the core in devexian, and powered him up, and so the first aeormaton since the fall of aeor awoke.

devexian made sure fcg, sam's character, was able to be awoken as he was.

and fcg, using the core inside him, utilized it to save his friends once and for all.

the cycles of this game....

#critical role #cr spoilers #critical role meta #robots #fcg #devexian #sam riegel #van speaks #campaign 3 #aeor #veth brenatto #campaign 2

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somewhatsentientspellbook · 17 days

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Orym picking up that chunk of breastplate, thinking about how many people he lost fighting Otohan Thull

The moon, and sun, and sword, and shield, and now armour

This little robot that rolled into his life only a few months ago, who'd only known consciousness for a few years longer than that - sacrificed themself for the cause

So stupid as to ignore the proof that Exandria is round, but so wise to know truth and love, gone.

He needs another tattoo...

#i'm going to go and definitely not cry now #critical role #critical role spoilers #cr spoilers #cr meta #bells hells #orym of the air ashari #will of the air ashari #derrig of the air ashari #cr fcg #sam riegel #liam o'brien

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masterqwertster · 2 months

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So I know there was some speculation (complaint?) that Fearne should have been perma-banished back to the Fey Realm when FCG did the self-banishing to get away from Otohan.

Which, fair enough. She's a fey being and has lived over one hundred years in the Fey Realm.

But, technically, the Fey Realm is not her Plane of origin.

Fearne was very specifically and purposefully born on Exandria for the plan to make her be Ruidusborn.

So, assuming the spell interprets "Plane of origin" as "the Plane you were born on" and not "the Plane you currently have residence on/have lived longest on," it's actually following the rules for Fearne to be dumped in a demi-plane with FCG.

Also, while Ruidus is magically locked away for most things by a mini Divine Gate, it is still on the Prime Material Plane. So that's why FCG (and Fearne) didn't/couldn't perma-banish out of that fight.

#the cast probably wasn't thinking about this in the moment but the justification is there #mq blathers #critical role #cr spoilers #cr meta #c3e85 #fearne calloway #fcg

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nothingwithdignity · 15 days

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One thing I love about the way Sam plays is he’s not precious about his characters. He does what’s right for the story and for his character regardless of whether or not that puts his ability to continue with that character at risk.

So many DnD players are so hesitant to play their back up characters but Sam isn’t making choices out of a sense of character preservation unless that’s what makes sense for the character. So often adventurers set off to be legendary heroes and to some extent a martyr complex has to go with that.

The thing is that very few people are willing to lean into it because it’s so hard to let go of something you’ve put so much time and effort into. Sam is the kind of person to roll with it and sometimes even enjoy it, though I don’t know that that was the case this week. He likes to tell a story with more consequences than some of the others. It’s why he never used halfling luck, it’s why he he gives most of his characters families and something to lose. For Sam, the consequences make the game which makes him the perfect player for a late game (probably permanent) death. It’s what the story called for and Sam is the perfect player to field that kind of complication.

#cr spoilers #critical role #sam riegel #fcg critical role #player meta #cr meta

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nellasbookplanet · 9 months

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Of all the Bell's Hells, the character I think would be most interesting to see having to personally deal with direct mortal-god interactions is Laudna. (that's a lie, I want to see ashton get into contact with the luxon so bad, but the luxon isn’t part of the established pantheon and might not even be a god so that is a discussion for another post)

Mostly, the group seems pretty ambivalent on the gods, but ever since her experiences during the solstice and the party split Laudna has veered from 'neutral' to 'actively negative'. I think it's all her previous compartmentalization being forced to a screeching halt from dealing with so much bad shit at once and she does not like dealing with her emotions, and it's making her lash out at the perceived cause of said emotions: the gods. Were the gods, and in extension all of Exandria, not in danger she and the party wouldn’t be going through hell right now trying to save them. Obviously this isn’t entirely rational and veers on victim blaiming, but characters under a lot of stress and going through dark shit aren’t always logical, and either way Laudna is still working to stop Ludinus regardless of her feelings so I'm not holding it against her.

She's also a pretty isolated and 'me and mine' type character who’s been dealt a very bad hand for most of her life. Prior to meeting the hells, the only person she really cared about was Imogen because Imogen was the only one who cared about her. She doesn’t see 'a god resurrected me', she sees 'Imogen and the hells resurrected me'; she doesn’t see 'the gods, who have done much good in the world, need help', she sees 'the entire world (and especially Imogen), is in danger because the gods, who I've never seen neither hide nor hair of, can’t handle their own shit'. It’s leading to a lot of messy emotions where she has to involve herself in a conflict she doesn’t care about, because the core victims of said conflict (the gods) are people she has zero relationship and connection to.

Having Laudna, through her connection to the Sun Tree, come into contact with Pelor would be such an interesting and challenging route to take. Be it simple visons/dreams, as an extended sort of patron, or fully becoming a champion, either would be cool, but the point is that it would allow Laudna an avenue to work through and come to terms with her conflicted feelings regarding the gods and her own trauma as having nothing to do with them instead of viewing them as borderline scapegoats. It would challenge growth in her as a character, but it would also challenge growth in Pelor, as some of her critiques of him are entirely valid (coughhearthdellcough). It’s good for there to be followers who aren't blindly obedient but who question and challenge.

Also, there’s the fact that Marisha-as-Keyleth, another character who was at best ambivalent about the gods, offered to be Pelor's champion in c1 before Vex stepped up. It'd be cool to finally get to see Marisha truly play out the dynamic of 'jaded mortal forced by circumstance to ally with a god and using it to work through her own feelings of trauma'.

#critical role meta #critical role #cr3 #laudna #this campaign has the opportunity to do some really unique (for critrole) things with god-follower relationships!#already we have fcg fumbling his way as a follower who used to think himself soulless and not alive #now coming to terms with faith entirely without outside guidance and learning personhood through it #we could have ashton fostering a relationship with the luxon in the future #and fearne with a LITERAL BETRAYER GOD #and having laudna‚ a character entirely uninterested in faith and godliness‚ be forced to deal with the gods as people and patrons #would be another really cool and unique route to take #nella talks cr

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flowersforvax · 2 years

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Scanlan: got fucked up by the realization that it matters now if he dies because he has a daughter who would care

FCG: got fucked up by the realization that they have a soul because that means it matters if he dies (and! how he lives!)

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sparring-spirals · 2 years

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F.C.G: "Maybe its because of the coin."

Imogen: "No, F.C.G, it's because of you."

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F.C.G: "Well, if I have a spirit... I have to live."

Ashton: "Unfortunate, but true."

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F.C.G: "It seems kind of hard."

Imogen: "You've already been doin' it."

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Orym: "What's the difference between now and yesterday?"

F.C.G: "Well now it matters."

Orym: "It always mattered."

#aaaAaahhhhh #critical role #cr spoilers #c3e36 #fcg #character meta #fcg meta #cr liveblogging #ashton #imogen temult #orym #scene

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critical-yeast · 1 year

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F.R.I.D.A. and FCG are really doing the quintessential queer experience of meeting someone like you for the first time ever and immediately becoming extremely attached huh

#they’re so fucking cute I love it #but also just. from a meta perspective. Christian isn’t going to be on the show forever :(#loveletters #critical role #critical role spoilers #fcg #f.r.i.d.a.

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lunarrolls · 7 months

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okay. it’s a meta kind of day today so! watching the new 4sd and realizing that sam has been kneecapping the shit out of fcg by not using basically any cleric spells but cure wounds and sometimes spiritual weapon makes… so much fucking sense

on a doyalist level, of course, that makes sense, and i hope sam learns that characters don’t own spells because i think fcg could be a REALLY powerful cleric if he stopped holding himself back as a player. tal, ashley, and liam gave him some good feedback.

on a watsonian level, though, holy changebringer above, i love that choice for fcg. it was an accidental sam choice, but it works so well with who fcg is. fcg was not originally a cleric whose magic was derived from faith in divinity. they are essentially a self-taught cleric who has only recently found the changebringer. they don’t actually need the changebringer for their magic to work, and i think they know that. their motivation for helping the gods isn’t related to their magic, it’s because they believe the gods can help people better than they can, but i digress.

a self-taught cleric without divine guidance whose main function was to heal? of course they really only know how to cure wounds. i bet his time with the dpb was where he learned to use some of the other lower level spells he has, like enhance ability and a little bit of spiritual weapon, but it makes sense that he’s still unsure of what to do with all the magic he thinks he could do now. nobody taught him how to use this right. the changebringer’s in mortal peril and doesn’t have time to give him a crash course in cleric. so he sticks to what he’s good at: curing wounds. even if he could be exceptionally good at keeping monsters down (his transfer suffering lets him do RIDICULOUS amounts of damage, he just never HITS lol), he doesn’t want to try it, because he’s convinced his only purpose is to heal people. fcg doesn’t know how to use the versatility that comes with being a cleric. it scares him a little, i think.

so. tl;dr—sam’s ooc attempts to completely separate fcg from prior clerics make total sense from a storytelling perspective because fcg is literally a cleric whose entire experience with magic and divinity is fuck around and find out

#cr #cr3 #4sd #4 sided dive #fcg #fresh cut grass #critical role #i’m maintagging this because mmmmm fcg meta <3 #roll insight

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the-matron-of-ravens · 8 months

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Genuinely curious, what are your thoughts on Dancer and FCG cuz like, he Literally, not figuratively, tried to kill her and did kill all of her companions at the time. I can see being critical cuz she doesn't seem to treat them like sentient beings, but even in the canon... most of the automatons aren't. Just some of the really old ones from Aeor/other old cities, right? So? She got a whoops!sentient microwave, treated them like a microwave, they killed all her friends and almost her and she's supposed to....? Be good buds with them? Also I know it's said that she trauma dumped on FCG, but let's switch it from microwave to personal journal - how would YOU feel if your personal journal popped to life and attacked you for trauma dumping? IDK haha I guess Idk you opinions and I'm just responding to my projected assumptions of your opinion. REALLY I'd 100% sincerely would like to hear your thoughts. I was really bothered by FCG pushing to meet with Dancer. Like jeez just leave her alone, you're her literal sleep paralysis demon, read the room.

Hey! Thanks for the ask, I put this a little bit in the tags but I can elaborate more here. (Edit: elaborate A LOT MORE it seems)

So here goes, I don’t know if you meant it this way but the analogy of a journal or microwave is helpful here because that’s exactly how Dancer treated FCG - as a tool to be used. But they *aren’t*. FCG is a whole being with emotions and thoughts all of which are apparent and so clearly distinct from other automatons.

So tbh, I think the perspective of “whoops! Sentient bot” makes sense for like a month, max. Not years. After all, we have seen NPC after NPC recognize FCG is a sentient being almost immediately after meeting him. I find it VERY hard to believe that Dancer never realized it herself.

Additionally, we need to step out of the plot itself and look at FCG’s mechanics. We know that every time he heals, takes damage for someone else, etc. he takes stress points, and that once past a certain threshold his switch flips and he goes full Murderbot.

We also know that rest and recovery are what reduces FCG’s stress points. So that tells us that Dancer was using and using and using FCG and not letting him rest (enough? At all?) even though he needed it. Because again he’s a person not a tool.

Even when they met back up recently and FCG sobered her up she remarked how she missed him doing that for her. And while I don’t expect her to miss him, I do think it’s indicative of her interest in him never being about him as a person but only how he could serve her.

And if we want to criticize FCG for his lack of boundaries, inability to take no for an answer and pathological need to fix Dancer sure that’s fair. He needs to unlearn a lot of that and quick. But we then have to ask ourselves where did those traits come from? They didn’t come from nowhere.

FCG is mentally extremely YOUNG. Aside from the 6?-ish Months spent with Ashton all he remembers is his time with Dancer. So, if FCG has a pathological need to fix others, to help them, and feels worthless if he’s unable to do so - that comes from how Dancer treated and trained him.

That doesn’t just go away; ESPECIALLY not when FCG doesn’t even remember going postal and doesn’t see to have the (IMO) most clear and realistic view of his and Dancer’s relationship.

After all look how he interacts with the Changebringer. She’s his surrogate Mom/Dancer. He needs someone to tell him how to feel, think, and what’s Good and Bad because he doesn’t know how to do it for himself - because he wasn’t *taught* to.

But here’s my real question. What do we call one person keeping another person in service to them, with no compensation or personhood to be had, and with no intentions of releasing that person from that service? That’s slavery my dude. AT BEST indentured servitude.

(but that implies there’s a debt. What debt? Waking him up? He didn’t ask for that; that was her choice.

And again this sounds a lot like children being “indebted” to parents for giving them life, housing, feeding, etc. )

That’s the part I can’t get over. And that’s the part I can’t get behind where FCG is the abusive one. The power differential was NEVER in FCG’s court; he never once thought of himself as a person or as anything but in service of “Soul Touched”. That complete sacrifice of yourself and your needs (or an inability to even know you HAVE needs) comes from being in relationships where those things are expected/demanded.

So, yeah, he literally tried to kill her, and I gotta be real I’m not surprised. Even children of abusive parents who they love snap sometimes. Because again, that’s mentally what he was at the time. A child.

But even then, no I don’t think it’s unreasonable or unrealistic for Dancer to be traumatized or not want to see FCG again. I don’t even think she’s wrong to say “I can’t give you closure” because closure isn’t something other people give you.

But the way she’s been discussed to be largely clueless about his sentience, blameless in his blow up, and FCG’s victim? I just can’t get behind that. Like at all.

#Critical Role #CR Spoilers #FCG #Dancer #TW: slavery mention #of the fantasy variety #tw: parental abuse #I don’t think this is discourse (moreso Meta IMO) but if folks feel differently I’ll add a tag #fresh cut grass

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cassafrasscr · 16 days

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As fun as it could be to see FCG get Reincarnated into a flesh body, I ultimately don't think Sam will go for it.

I also don't think the rest of Bell’s Hells will give up on bringing him back unless it proves impossible. With RAW, they should be able to cast either True Resurrection or Reincarnate to bring FCG back, with the only real condition for failure being that the soul they're trying to call back refuses to return.

So unless Matt decides to impose a different condition to make resurrection impossible, FCG will have to actively decide to leave their friends behind and move on to whatever comes next. Which... maybe feels a little out of character for how devoted FCG is to his friends? Maybe? (Though he's thought about leaving the group before, so maybe I'm wrong.)

I think the easiest way to accomplish this is for the Changebringer to give FCG a new mission on other planes of existence. Especially if it's one that will help his friends on their mission to stop Predathos.

I feel like letting FCG ascend to the status of Celestial Being would be a fitting reward for his heroic sacrifice. It would also open up opportunities for them to keep making appearances in Exandrian canon as a messenger of the Changebringer.

Imagine asking your goddess for assistance in a tight spot, and instead of sending you a terrifying guardian... you get a chirpy little angel that greets you with "Smiley Day!"

#critical role #critical role spoilers #cr spoilers #cr speculation #theorizing #cr3 #fcg #fresh cut grass #cr3e91 #c3e91 #meta #character analysis

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