But whose heart would not take flight? Betray the moon as acolyte On first and fierce affirming sight Of sunlight, sunlight, sunlight

Made my bbg Chitrangada :3

"Prince"/disguise version

(just assume people didn't question her binder okay hushhh)

Princess version

I had it up to here. This is a review of the Iliad (!) and this person (White Anglophone, their country, US, controls Greece to a large degree) says Madeline Miller's work is better than a national epic??

And they evaluate - nay, reduce - the content of an epic my people have been making and preserving for centuries as "competition among men, petty gods, and long list of male family trees with some poetic snippets."

Excuse us stupid Greeks for respecting and recording family lines and tracing our lineage from the gods since time immemorial, I guess. Why don't you piss on our cultural figures and gods while you're at it, too? (Oh, wait, you did)

And you didn't even read the poetry of the original, which is honestly stunning at its phrasing, so, your loss. I guess your mind (and edition you read?) only caught "some" poetic snippets.

Typical behaviour of many Madeline Miller fans, unfortunately.

Honestly, honey, avoid the Odyssey and any other cultural epic. They don't deserve your eyes looking at their pages made by generations of my ancestors. And get outta here with your "I hate the all-male stuff" attitude. You have no idea of the huge contribution of our women of all ages to our literature and folklore.

I get if reading Epics isn't for you and if you don't enjoy them. But don't make it a problem of the Epics and people's cultural heritage. Placing "hot boy romance" and "(western) female rage" WASP feminism fantasies over ancient Epics is totally a you problem.

I feel like I'm going hard on that person but no, actually. They disrespected part of the Greek culture sooo much that I don't care, especially knowing more and more people are gonna have this attitude in the future. While shouting "I'm against colonialism and imperialism!" at that. (σε πιστεύουμε γλυκιά μου μη χτυπιέσαι)

But worry not! For the low price of $19.99 you too can have the colonialist attitude of a 19th century dandy!

Reunion doodle :)

hadestown is easily the best musical about plagiarism

In a much earlier chapter, while visiting/chatting with RiverClan (and feeding them) the topic of epics comes up in response to Firepaw/heart questioning something - I was wondering if you could go into more detail on epics? What kinds of stories are told, when are they told, that kind of thing?

(If there’s possible plans for an epic to be included in future story can you answer anyway and just avoid spoilers? I’m very curious!)

Thank you!! I really love the world you’ve built -heartmoji-

This'll just be a quick rundown, my brain is fluttering with other things at the moment and I misplaced where half of my resources are for these things.

Every cat knows the Epic of the First Clan, there's almost always an orator reciting that at the Gatherings, and it's the first epic that kittens aged 4 months and up are told directly. It covers the founding of the Clans up until the Crone's death. There are four follow-up epics, much shorter than First Clan, of which I have only named the Epic of Thunder Forest and the Epic of the Carved Home. They cover some early history of the Clans. Apprentices will typically hear them early on in their training, if they weren't nosy older kittens itching to get out of the nursery.

There's also the Storm Cycle, the Gloaming Cycle, the Sunrise Cycle, and the (yet unrevealed) Rivulet Cycle, which cover an assortment of stories from each Clan across history. I'd gander Firepaw's hand in deposing Brokenstar will eventually make its way to these cycles, but who knows at this point.

You also have other bits of poetry: Poems of the Pilgrims which substrate mostly in Riverclan and Windclan, Morningmist's Fables and Fairy Tales which are told to cats of all ages, the Mernaþa Cycle, and Proverbs for a Leader.

Γεια σου θείτσα! Λίγο από το πουθενά θα είναι αυτό που θα ρωτήσω μα έχω μια απορία: γιατί όλες οι μεταγενέστερες απεικονίσεις της Κασσάνδρας την παρουσιάζουν ως κοκκινομάλλα; Η παλαιότερη αναπαράστασή της ως κοκκινομάλλα που μπορώ να βρω είναι από Ρωμαικό ψηφιδωτό στην Πομπηία που αν δεν απατώμαι χρονολογείται κάπου στα μ. Χ. Οι πιο παλιές δε αναπαραστάσεις της Κασσάνδρας την απεικονίζουν ως μαυρομάλλα, όπως βέβαια απεικονίζουν και όλους ή και τους περισσότερους χαρακτήρες επάνω σε αγγεία, όπως και τον Αχιλλέα, που τα μαλλιά του παραδοσιακά είναι ξανθά. Μήπως μου ξεφεύγει κάποια πηγή ή υπάρχει κάποιος συμβολισμός πίσω από αυτή την επιλογή που μου διαφεύγει; Ευχαριστώ πολύ όπως και να χει! 😊

Νε καλησπερα σας, ξερω οτι αργησα εναν μηνα και βαλε να απαντησω και ελπιζω η πληροφορια αυτη να ειναι ακομα χρησιμη 😄 Θα συνεχισω στα Αγγλικα αν δε σε πειραζει, για να το βρει ο οποιοσδηποτε αυτο το ποστ και να μπορεσει να το διαβασει.

I think there's a wide range of hair colors Cassandra could have.

Cassandra's beauty was even compared to that of Aphrodite* and Helen of Troy. Aphrodite has been depicted with blond, brown, orange, and black hair by the ancient Greeks, so Cassandra could have any of those colors too.

*The Iliad, Book 24 "Neither was any other ware of them, whether man or fair-girdled woman; but in truth Cassandra, peer of golden Aphrodite, having gone up upon Pergamus, marked her dear father as he stood in the car…."

Then we have this Etruscan fresco of the Francois Tomb, depicting her with black (or at least dark) hair.

The names are Etruscan and mirrored in the picture (Caśntra is Cassandra).

Cassandra was also described by the chronicler Malalas in his account of the Chronography as "shortish, round-faced, white, mannish figure, good nose, good eyes, dark pupils, blondish, curly, good neck, bulky breasts, small feet, calm, noble, priestly, an accurate prophet foreseeing everything, practicing hard, virgin".

Meanwhile, in the account of Dares the Phrygian, she was illustrated as ". . .of moderate stature, round-mouthed, and auburn-haired."

Soooo... anything goes, really 😂

what's interesting about One Piece as a long manga series that it's kept its premise pretty consistent throughout it's still continuous run.

compared to other long manga series, could you actually consider One Piece in the genre of Epic, if only because it has a consistent premise; it is a story about a very simple idea in an ever-expanding world

I'm slowly working on writing something in the style of an epic poem. I'm gathering a lot of info on southern us folklore and superstitions to reference but since a pretty important part of epic poems is the hero going on a long journey I'd love to hear about folklore/myths/superstitions that yall grew up hearing. It will be inspired by plenty of greek myths but I want to hear about other traditions.

Don Juan George Gordon Byron, Baron Byron (British; 1788–1824) Autograph manuscript, unsigned First draft of Cantos I–V  (Venice and Ravenna, July 3, 1818–November 30, 1819 and October 16–November 27, 1820 The Morgan Library & Museum, New York

If you're gonna talk to me about the Iliad you are gonna have to endure so much Diomedes praise. My BOY.

If you're gonna call Odysseus a piece of shit cuz of his thing with Circe, you better call Calypso a piece of shit for SAing him as well. Don't hold double standards

The comedic value of the Mahabharata is under appreciated

Reading the Illiad for the first time, and I don't have any organize thoughts on this, but there's something about perceptions of time and youth. Like, all the references to how heroes of the past were stronger/the past was a better time to live in, and then all the older heroes lamenting the passage of time and loss of strength because of it, and THEN how epics like the Illiad are revered because of how they've survived the passage of time and (in some circles) the past was a better time because "men were real men" and point to ancient Greece/Rome as an example.

This is something I would have highlighted as a potential paper topic and researched on jstor for if I was still in college. Like I said, no solid thoughts, just like a vibe. A hunch.

(If someone knows a paper like this, please let me know so I can read it)

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