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Guys look
Bakugou is canonically the closest person too Deku.
Plus,this was stated as non platonic nor,romantic.
So..I was right about shigaraki purposely targeting bakugou on purpose because he's dekus close-ish. Relationship. In general, it's very important that bakugou is close to deku.
And I do have a theroy about how love breeds hurt in the mha universe ,i'll put it in short,it can be used against you in multiple ways,villains may hurt your loved one. You get really mad,which makes you vulnerable,which gets the villain going at you.
I think shigaraki and all for one know that bakugou ,is near and dear to dekus heart. So bakugous a target.
And oh. Oh . Boy. He knows where to go .
Because him doing that makes deku get hurt BAD,but! It fucking shigaraki up too.
Remember this? chapter ?
Then shigaraki went
His FACE got fucking CUT OPEN.
HE LOOKS SCARED TOO-
like if this is when bakugou got cut open from shigarakis quirk.
Bakugou now has LOST A ARM,AND EYE.
imagine
WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM THESE CHAPTERS.
Like- his face got cut open,now this is going to be about 10x worse.
TEN TIMES
If shigaraki doesn't think smart and use up a lot of power,he might be quite fucked.
LIKE
F U C K E D
DEAD
#bkdk#katsudeku#dkbk#mha#chapter 359#mha 359#theroy#decchan#bakugou katsuki#midoriya izuku#deku kills shigaraki#bkdk theroy#bnha
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I can't make a serious drawing, what can I do?
but i missed yoichi
#yoichi afted seeing what kudou's plan turned out#college is killing me 💔#design graffic is my passion#bnha#mha#yoichi shigaraki#ofa#one for all#midoroya izuku#deku#myart
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Your rabid Izuku hate has smoothed out your brain but actually the League was toxic for Tenko. Izuku is the only person who saw who Tenko really is and healed him.
oh fuck my bad. You're right. Deku healed him, which is why Shigaraki/Tenko is alive in a hospital bed right now doing sudoku and a therapy coloring book. I can't believe I fucking miss that.
#i can't stand 'the league are toxic for each other' arguments#yeah. they're toxic for each other. why is why we need to send Shigaraki over to the Heroes like#Nedzu who funded the SKY COFFIN DEATH ARENA#And Mirko who referred to him as 'it'#And All Might who gave up on saving him after two words from Gran Torino#and Gran Torino who told him his existence made Toshinori said and told Deku to kill him#And Deku who actually did kill him. into pieces#Those are the real friends Shigaraki/Tenko need#nalslastworkingbraincell#the only one I trust with Shigaraki/Tenko is Mirio#Swear to god i need Deku to stay 100 miles away from Shigaraki for the rest of their lives
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Okay, so. Um. Chapter 423.
Seeing people's reactions I have to say some things. And let me preface this by saying that I don't believe this is truly it. But.
The issue isn't even that Izuku (seemingly) failed to save the person he wanted to save from AFO (well, it is an issue, actually, but not the main point. Also, the fact that his and vestiges' plan to reach Tenko is also what ensured Tomura's death is just so... ), and it's not that he's weirdly distant and cold in this chapter.
It's the fact that not a single one of them actually acknowledged anything that they saw and heard in Shigaraki's mind. Neither of them talked about what AFO told Tomura - the fact that Tomura didn't say anything about what he learned about his quirk, his purpose and the fact that he never truly wanted to kill his family is especially mind-boggling. And Deku didn't say anything about the revelation that Tomura never really had a chance or a choice from the very start either. There was no self-relfection on either side, no real conversation, and there also was no real understanding between the two being reached. It's the fact that Deku instantly stopped caring or wondering about Tenko/Tomura the moment AFO came back, being completely willing to pulverise his body when just a few chapters ago he refused to do that when Nana told him to. It's the fact that he didn't react to Kurogiri pleading for Tomura and Bakugou just killed (???? maybe not, it's hard to understand) the man. It's the fact that the vestiges still being alive and Nana saving Tomura (oh hey, guess her whole family actually all died to AFO, unable to truly smile) was off-screened.
This is not people blaming Izuku. This is just people complaining about straight up bad writing.
Even if Tenko is still alive (And Kurogiri wasn't killed by Bakugou too, but I feel like Kurogiri is just too doomed to survive anyway), that doesn't erase the weirdness that this chapter was. It would still be salvageable, I guess, depending on what happens next, but good lord, the damage was certainly done.
And if Tenko is really dead, but we'll just see more of Midoriya's reaction to that in the following chapters, this would still be fucking horrible.
I love Deku. I love his emotions, how genuine he is, how empathetic he is. He is just a kid forced into an awful situation. This is not a jab at him as much as it is a jab at the author and the writing here. Because how in the world does the protagonist fail at doing what he wanted to do harder than the supporting cast with their villains? Why was Toga and Uraraka's final chapter more genuine and emotional that THIS - the protagonist and the main antagonist's last conversation????? Why was Ochako more upset about realising that Toga is about to kill herself than Deku was in those chapters?
#but hey like i said on xitter... maybe horikoshi didn't write deku and shigaraki actually talking things out BECAUSE he knew#that making deku acknowledge out loud how fucking horrible and hopeless tomura's situation was and that afo stole his entire life from him#would make tomura dying because of afo stealing his body once again and deku having to kill him due to that even more heinous#especially that last page with the sun shining at deku and tomura's remains in the air#WHERE is the breaking of tropes here? or do they apply only to heroes? only toshi is allowed to survive his prophesised by tropes death?#mind you there were also weird pacing issues ever since 415#horikoshi had all the chances to actually explode the memory sharing thing but it was done so quickly and almost pointlessly instead#why was it there in the first place then if no one truly learned anything important from that#bnha#bnha spoilers#bnha 423
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if shig really is dead then this truly is so disappointing like I can’t believe hori would kill him off like this
#I know people are saying he could come back with rewind or regeneration quirk or whatever#and I hope it’s just a shigaraki death not a tenko death#but like wtf????#what about deku saving him???#like I do like them both punching afo in the panel both fighting to defeat him#and deku did get through to shigaraki#but like??? is he really saved?? no!!!#just after kurogiri sacrificed himself so that shig could reunite with his friends???!?!! so that was a waste????#I mean early on I figured shigaraki’s endgame would be similar to luke from the pjo series#tbh im not even against shig dying if it was done well#like we actually get to see deku help change shig for the better and shig decides to fight afo#but it would have to be like a meaningful death like deku could not have won without shig accepting that he has to die to kill afo#like I could get behind that#bc he could be a hero in the end#but that’s it not this???#what a mess#also like why have shouto show up but to boost deku it felt very half assed#lie I guess we’ll throw shouto a bone for the finale even tho he’s not actually in it#bleh#anyways we’ll see what happens#bnha 423#bnha manga spoilers#Alex reads bnha#my posts
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Just caught up to bnha. What the FUCK
#so deku being optimistic and believing all people are redeemable. his one good trait. lead to shigaraki's soul being fully lost#and taken over by afo. who katsuki just died to supress.#so in being sympathetic to villains he not only a) failed to redeem the villain and b) killed the villain#but also c) revived a worse guy and d) made his best friend's sacrifice pointless#but also instead of fixing any of those things with rewind he gets his arms back or whatever. cool. nice#what is the message here I wonder#UGH I HATE IT HERE. BNHA IN REALITY WILL NEVER LIVE UP TO ITS POTENTIAL#BECAUSE WHAT GENUINELY READS AS A STRUCTURE FOR A CRITIQUE ON POLICE VIOLENCE IS TO HORIKOSHI JUST AN EXCUSE FOR COOL FIGHTS#COOL. C O O L#WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COMMENTARY ON THE GLORIFICATION OF STATE VIOLENCE AND ITS CONSEQUENCES. IS INSTEAD#JUST A SHOW WHERE SOME KID GETS SCHOOLED ON THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST EVIL I GUESS. AND ITS UP TO THE STATE™️ TO KILL THEM FOR IT#ALRIGHT. OKAY#bnha#tomura shigaraki#whatever. whatever#bnha spoilers
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the mha collab event confirmed getting siegfried, zooey and lobelia in the actual event but jjk collab got no one except Meteon, Friday and Tyra in fate episodes? maaaaaaaan this sucks
#gbf#granblue fantasy#ig they didnt want them to meet other characters so they can keep the idea it was a dream#kinda lame but whatever#anyway someone said they wish siegfried hits bakugou with 623U and it got a chuckle out of me#interesting line up because siegfried is a hero kinda but doesnt think about it#zooey is about keeping order#and lobelia lmaoooo#deku gonna find out lobelia killed more people than shigaraki and the league and start puking and wonder why he's even around mc#when you collab you wanted got the worse of the two ends ie only the characters and no gbf characters :(((
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I think for my sanity I'm just not going to talk about the chapter until a translation drops.
Because I didn't like the chapter again ngl
#me.txt#the deku-shigaraki fight sucked both in RL and in the vestige place#and now we are in a flashback..... after Deku reminds Tomura of when he killed his dad (?)#like this feels very speedrunny in a super unfun way#i don't like ittttt#just not for me
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Does anybody ever think about the fact that Shigaraki said this:
And then Toga is like:
And the war before that Shig to Deku was like:
Like, I guess they didn’t communicate about this discrepancy in their plans 💀
#for the record#this is a joke#it’s just funny that Shig is like#I’m gonna kill that broccoli kid#and toga is like#I want that broccoli kid to be my boyfriend#lmao#bnha#boku no hero academia#Shigaraki tomura#toga himiko#Midoriya izuku#Deku
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best thing about shigaraki being back in control is that deku (or nana and the vestiges) is probably gonna pull some talk no jutsu ‘youre free from AFO’s influence, you can be better person now!’ shit and hes gonna look him dead in the eye as he says ‘actually, i’m going to be worse’ and tries to decay the entire planet or smthn
#listen. i want shigaraki to help deku to kill afo. i do NOT want shigaraki to have a redemption arc. there is a difference.#shigaraki dabi and toga are such great villains precisely because theyre beyond the point of redemption#society has rejected them so now theyre rejecting society#and just one hero reaching out in sympathy doesnt fix the systematic issues that led to their villany in the first place#actually i take umbridge with the term 'villain' in this context. i would make a genuine argument that the LOV are anti-heroes#bnha#og post //
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Yoooo happy birthday and merry Christmas to gentle criminal. I knew he was coming back, but I didn't think it'd be so wild. Getting back to back badass moments with La Brava completely clowning on skeptic and then showing that the only reason all 7 prison breaks weren't a success was because Gentle kicked them all in the chips and captured them. Then on top of that holding up the ua battlefield, I cannot wait to see it animated.
I like how La Brava traumatized skeptic with cats and then it's houndog in the group coming to get him. Looks like the plf is donion rings and its mainly on afo and his forces now.
Tsukauichi turning to former villains for help and gentle hitting us with the only ones who can't change are those who don't want to change really brings in those classic shonen vibes we've been needing.
Love seeing some of our past favorites coming back into the story for a final hoorah. It was meant to be an epic moment when Nagant shoots off his hand but I can't help but laugh remembering this is the second time shigaraki has gotten shot in the arm by a gun-based hero while trying to kill Deku.
Since Nagant is here I hope we get some chisaki action, how wild would it be if Nagant was able to mold a deleter round into her hair bullet.
#Bnha 378#bnha spoilers#mha spoilers#mha 378#gentle criminal#la brava#lady nagant#skeptic#paranormal liberation front#meta liberation army#la brava trolling feel good inc#gentle criminal more like gentle badass#skeptic has cat trauma#if i had a nickle for everytime a gun hero shot shigaraki in the arm while hes trying to kill deku#detective tsukauchi
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every single time i read the latest chapter of my hero academia, i get goosebumps because its so refreshing to see all the minor characters involved in the war get the screen time they deserve
but at the same time i really wish horikoshi would end the manga already with either the villains or heroes winning because this has been dragging on for way too long
#bruh i acc thought bakugou was dead#ngl i kinda hate how he was brought back to life#i love how mitsuki and masaru show up in the latest chapter#"kacchan of the bakugous#deku needs to kill shigaraki instead of pulling the “main character” card on him#i really hate toga and uraraka's relationship#idk whats even happening at this point but i hope aizawa and mic are alive
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i think a cool ending could be midoriya forcing one for all into shigaraki/afo and bc of the amount of power from unlocking all the quirks, it causes the quirk singularity theory to come true and the quirks all destroy themselves, leaving shigaraki and midoriya quirkless
#i want some payoff for the quirkless plot okay#the only reason midoriya was quirkless is just to have a big contrast to how powerful he becomes#but you cant just have all these unertones and implications and do nothing with them#its lazy at best and bad writing at worst#this way the quirk singularity theory comes full circle (bc that getting so much emphasis then just going nowhere is weird too)#midoriya being the last wielder would have meaning instead of him just being another holder and giving it to some random kid when hes fifty#and him getting to be a quirkless hero is still imo the best version of his ending#shigaraki being quirkless would lead him to being saved instead of killed and without decay eating him from inside he might be#able to think past all of afos grooming bullshit#and i still like the afo gave him decay theory which would be a great way to introduce it#i just want something that isnt just a punch up like kamino#i want narrative depth and thematic conclusion#go beyond plus ultra#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#midoriya izuku#deku#shigaraki tomura#afo#all for one#one for all#mha#bnha#my hero academia#boko no hero academia#mha theory#all might#bnha manga spoilers
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What do you think of shigaraki killing afo?
I made a quip about this months ago, but at this point I have no idea which post it was in, so I'll go ahead and reiterate and expand on it here.
On the one hand:
I think there’s a hanging conflict between All Might saying that trying to kill AFO seven years ago was a mistake and Hero Society’s inability to keep AFO in prison, and the easiest way out of that conflict that doesn’t leave AFO’s blood on a hero’s hands is to make the question moot by having Shigaraki kill him instead. Absolving a story’s heroes of having to make a difficult moral choice has long been the purview of villains!
As far as the heroes go, I know most people think AFO is an unrepentant monster and killing him is not exactly a mortal sin, and they’re not wrong that he’s a ludicrous caricature who law enforcement would have every justification in the world for putting down as an active threat. That kind of judgment, though, is easy from the metaphorical armchair, but gets a bit more complex when you start asking how it fits into a regulated system and/or the overarching narrative themes.
Should Midoriya Izuku be the one to kill All For One? Are we okay with asking a teenager, one who thinks the highest aspiration of his chosen career is saving people, to take a man’s life?
What does it do to All Might and the institution he represents when he, the paragon of heroes, caved in a man’s skull with his bare fists? What does it further say about All Might and his society when he calls that murder attempt a mistake, only to turn around and help plan another one not even a year later because he can’t think of another solution?
Endeavor and Hawks? We already know they’re willing to kill; it was kind of a defining thing for them with the High End Noumu and Twice. It’s not exactly a big challenge to who they are and who they wish to be to have them do something they've already proven capable of doing, especially when they’ve never truly reckoned with the blood already on their hands.
And so on.
We could also ask, who okayed this? We know that Tsukauchi was involved in the planning stages, and since Tsukauchi is a police detective, that does imply state approval. The readers never see that process, though, and it certainly doesn’t seem to have involved a trial at any point. Is there a judge somewhere who weighed the evidence and then signed off on an outstanding circumstances waiver of some kind? A Head Commissioner of the National Police Agency? How much bureaucracy did this have to go through? How much precedent is being established by it? What protections are there against similar actions being called against lesser threats, now that this example is being set?
I know there’s a point at which asking questions like this of a fantasy adventure narrative gets pretty absurd, even willfully obtuse, but BNHA leaves itself open to arguments like mine in the way it positions its heroes as duly vested agents of a state government, especially a state government the story itself has positioned as grotesquely corrupt.
On the other hand...
All of that being the case, Shigaraki is not a duly vested agent of the state. Nor is he a character whose hands the narrative has any motivation to keep clean. Shigaraki is the (living) person in the story most directly, personally wronged by All For One, especially if it turns out he’s the one who gave Tenko Decay to begin with.
There’s a karma to All For One dying at the hand of one of his victims that there isn’t when he’s being killed by someone who’s more his “equal” or who lacks that personal connection.* And while there’s a reason vigilante justice is illegal, Shigaraki’s role in the story is such that he’s posing and answering different moral questions than a hero would be. If it’s problematic to let Shigaraki have that kill, it’s only because it lets the author dodge a harder question, not because it’s Setting A Bad Example For The Readers or Establishing A Worrying Precedent For The In-Universe Legal System.
Cards on the table? AFO is kind of asking for it, where Shigaraki is concerned. I used to admire that he was the only person in the story who never doubted Shigaraki’s capability—the only one, even counting all of Shigaraki’s friends! But if AFO is going to swan in and think he can easily handle his protégé, the kid who has risen to every occasion, upended every expectation, then frankly, he deserves no better than every other asshole who’s made that same mistake. I am praying Horikoshi gives me that level of consistency in Shigaraki’s villain arc!
Also too, it's not like Shigaraki killing AFO would instantly end the series or the problems the heroes are facing. Shigaraki killing AFO just gives Shigaraki his agency back, makes him a threat again rather than a hostage, and Shigaraki's status as ultimate victim/ultimate villain makes him a way more challenging moral dilemma than AFO ever presented. All things considered, he'd be a trade-up.
Thanks for the ask!
*Are Deku and All Might his victims? Well, they’ve certainly been targeted by him, and All Might was injured pretty terribly in the backstory, but the OFA generational rivalry puts a much different spin on those relationships than the one AFO has with, say, Tomura or Aoyama. Both All and Deku, in any case, try to frame their battles against AFO as being intended to stop AFO from committing further harm, rather than one of vengeance or personal recompense. All Might in particular is not without those motivations, especially when AFO starts mocking Nana, but it’s a frame of mind he has to be baited into, not the one he normally occupies.
#bnha#bnha gets real#bnha afo#shigaraki tomura#bnha endgame#stillness answers#honestly it's lost on me why so many hero fans want their teenaged faves to go out there and End people#let shigaraki kill afo; he won't feel half as bad about it as deku would#[insert off-topic salt about toga-haters wanting something for ochaco the girl herself has canonically said would never make her happy]#salt in the tags#a wee bit
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i know it would never happen but imagine afo having a naoki urasawa’s monster’s johan backstory
ooh okay i've been turning this over in my mind a bit there's potential to work with here. remixing the afo-yoichi and johan-nina sibling woes. stick some evil subliminal nihilistic messaging in those comic books. evil orphanages let's go.
also interesting to consider ways afo and johan are similar (part 1 afo and johan both had their 'break them by talking' bit, though as noted to me johan is MUCH more successful at it and woulda had tenko on a murder spree much sooner) and different (afo's goals aligning with legacy & longevity while johan is. well not worried about those things!!)
been gnawing over this and will continue to gnaw over this what IF afo had a johan-esque backstory huh. crazy.
#funny thing i've had a separate idle thought#comparing the importance of tenma's role as a doctor in the question of whether he can/should kill johan#vs. the hero's role as uhh heroes and what that means for whether deku should kill shigaraki n stuff.#not that bnha and monster are. on the same level. =_=#bnha bloggin
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my therapist asked me if I’m looking forward to anything tonight and I then continued to talk abt shigaraki lore for the rest of the session
#I’ve been seeing her for a year so we r friends#and she was actually interested in his lore#and she was like ‘yeah he needs someone like deku to show hee worth saving’#and also that he needs to kill AFO#SO YEAH A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESIONAL AGREED THAT KILLING SHIGARAKK WOULD BE DUMB SO SUCK ON THAT HERO STAND#shigaraki tomura
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