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peony-flowerking7 · 1 month
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Gibbon time
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So, Yuan is actually the tallest ape out of them all! THERE'S NO DENYING IT!!
Even Macaque being the tallest come to wukong and Duzhe, he cannot overtake YUAN THEMSELVES!! She's lanky and pretty chill. Wukong and Macaque had fun time with them, they never touched the floor and always stood on trees, she is not walking on the ground she's walking on top of the trees. Long Armed Gibbon rarely spent time in the floor so here ya go.
Also fun fact in Journey to the West Wukong idea for becoming immortal and going to Master Subodhi to gain immortality was from a Gibbon. So when Wukong was on his days where he was like oh man I don't wanna die and he was afraid of death Yuan was the one to advice Wukong about Master Subodhi. So yeah....says a lot of things.
Fun fact about Yuan they actually don't like the feeling of stone on their feet, so I have this cute idea where Wukong and Macaque built a forest around their palace so Yuan wouldn't be touching the floor. Man...there such great friends I wonder what happened.
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peachburger · 9 months
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More of the primates!
I had another draft that I was working on yesterday- but now I finished..the clothes aren’t that good I know 😅 but hey I’ll figure something out as usual
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aereuss · 3 months
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First Post!
Since i liked Eyeshot AU quite a lot couldn't help myself to draw this boy.
(totally because i am not obsessing over Macaque.)
Credits to @dynamicsimp for making this AU a thing💥
Also a bonus meme below-
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noodlecatt467 · 1 month
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the baboon is smart but sometimes they jump to conclusions that aren’t always accurate.
Also it’s so nice to have these guys finally talking.
pt4
pt6(coming soon)
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quitealotofsodapop · 14 days
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The idea that there were Stone Monkeys on FFM before even Wukong actually has some evidence in the book. Or at least... there's evidence of some sort of civilization kiving in the mountain before Wukong had hatched. Namely, Water-Curtain Cave itself and the stone palace and bridge within it. That had been built and fully furnished BEFORE Wukong had jumped into the waterfall and discovered the cave, fitted with a signpost declaring the title of the place and everything. This meant Wukong and his first troop weren't the first to live there.
absolutely thats my hc for Stone Monkeys
They were in abundance on Earth and in the other celestial realms (Earth's moon, and Gold Star's protectorate Venus for example) where less hardy species could not survive. By the time of Wukong's hatching however, they had long since become functionally extinct.
Flower Fruit Mountain was their most beloved home. And it was one of the last.
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The Stone Palace beyond the waterfall was not placed there by fate. Their was still food on the tables and ash in the stoves - meaning that the last inhabitants had left or had passed without notice.
Whom or whatever Stone Monkeys/Shi Baomu had lived in the Stone Palace before are long gone - but they left knowing that they would leave behind something to protect their fellow primates.
Sun Wukong is the orphan of a lost civilization.
As is the Six Eared Macaque born on the lunar surface.
The Long Armed Gibbon born along the Heavenly River.
And of the Red-Bottomed Horse Monkey born upon the red planet.
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sexynbgfpollhost · 21 days
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I present to you, one of the four celestial primates, Long-Armed Gibbon:
(In every dub besides Chinese, she goes by Gibby/Gibbon)
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Design Details: As you can tell, some of her design is inspired from stars. Her outfit coloration is meant to be a direct swap of Red Baboon's. I decided to make her little face heart upside down, to really show her personality type. Her black outfit was inspired off of ninjas. If her cape looks out of place, good, it's supposed to. Her skin is grey just like a real gibbon. Hair is much poofier and spikier than the others. She prefers to fight with fists or use her powers. Strands of her hair can turn into little stars (you could call 'em "ninja stars" heh hehe..)
(Listen, we were given basically zilch on the other two primates so I worked with what I got.)
Here's a link to the season 5 fanfic I'm writing with her in it: Wattpad Link
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ghostly-creator · 8 months
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SHENGMU!! next up, Xinghe (aka our Six-eared favorite)
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One question is if the six-eared macaque is a negative aspect of Sun Wukong's personality, that means that the other two mystical monkeys are also aspects of the personality except that unlike the Macaque, they are both positive aspects or simply part of Sun's personality. and the reason why they do not appear directly or are agonistic in jttw is because they do not go against the path of Buddhist enlightenment
Sorry if you don't understand, I don't speak English and I'm using a translator.
I've also speculated that the other two cestial primates are aspects of Sun Wukong's mind. An update to my Six Ears article reads:
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I'm not really sure why the other two don't explicitly appear in the narrative. But I do know that, including Sun Wukong, the four celestial primates mirror the four kinds of monkeys and apes living on Flower-Fruit Mountain. As I write here, chapter one reads:
The Handsome Monkey King thus led a flock of gibbons [yuanhou, 猿猴], macaques [mihou, 獼猴], and horse-monkeys [mahou, 馬猴], some of whom were appointed by him as his officers and ministers (based on Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 1, p. 106). 美猴王領一群猿猴、獼猴、馬猴等,分派了君臣佐使。
The gibbons are also called "long-armed gibbons" (tongbei yuanhou, 通背猿猴; lit: "(arms)-through-the-back gibbons"). [1] (This refers to the belief that the long, agile arms of the gibbon were somehow connected (i.e. tongbi, 通臂), passing through the back (i.e. tongbei, 通背) (Gulik, 1967, p. 92-93).) The horse-monkeys are also called "red-buttocked horse-monkeys" (chikao mahou, 赤尻馬猴). [2] These terms are important to remember.
Here is the list of the four celestial primates:
Stone-Monkey of Numinous Wisdom (Lingming shihou, 靈明石猴) - i.e. Sun Wukong
Red-Buttocked Horse-Monkey (Chikao mahou, 赤尻馬猴) - The exact same kind as that mentioned above.
Long-Armed Gibbon (Tongbi yuanhou, 通臂猿猴; lit: "Connected Arms Gibbon") - As mentioned above, tongbi (通臂) and tongbei (通背) refer to the ape's long arms.
Six-Eared Macaque (Liu'er mihou, 六耳獼猴)
The apes and monkeys of Flower-Fruit Mountain and the Four Celestial Primates both include Sun Wukong (i.e. the Stone Monkey), Red-Buttocked Horse-Monkeys (Chikao mahou), Long-Armed Gibbons (Tongbei and Tongbi), and Macaques (mihou), one of which has Six Ears (Liu'er). Therefore, the two groups are practically the same.
Based on this, a person might suggest that if one celestial primate (Sun Wukong) is born on Flower-Fruit mountain, then others can be, too. This opens the door to all four of the celestial primates having been born (or at least manifesting) there. And since Six-Ears is an aspect of Monkey's mind, the missing two celestial apes could be as well.
I should note that Wukong's Four Might Commanders are two long-armed (tongbei) gibbons and two red-buttocked horse-monkeys. Someone could suggest that two of them make up the missing celestial primates. But they are never shown to have great powers, just knowledge about the world outside of Flower-Fruit Mountain.
In the end, though, the missing celestial primates may not appear simply because they are not important to the overall narrative.
Notes:
1) Yu (Wu & Yu, 2012) incorrectly translates tongbei yuanhou (通背猿猴) as "bare back monkey" (vol. 1, p. 131).
2) Yu (Wu & Yu, 2012) incorrectly translates this as "baboon" (vol. 1, p. 106). The horse-monkey was a nickname for the macaques placed in horse stables to keep away sickness (refer to here).
Sources:
Gulik, R. H. (1967). The Gibbon in China: An Essay in Chinese Animal Lore. Leiden: E.J. Brill.
Wu, C., & Yu, A. C. (2012). The Journey to the West (Vols. 1-4) (Rev. ed.). Chicago, Illinois: University of Chicago Press.
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mori-lazuli · 9 months
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Quick sketches of the four mystic monkeys in jttw!!✨
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cloud-somersault · 6 months
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it's 2AM and everyone's asleep - can i talk about how cool the whole "each time a celestial primate is born an anomaly happens" thing is??
because since it's so ambiguous in JTTW, it's fun to just play around with that, like other media has in the interpretations in the other 3 like.
i just think it's COOL because Wukong's eyes pierced the sky and alerted Heaven -- what other cool things could happen? and Macaque's was so.
Originally, it was going to be "And when you were born, the entire moon went dark." but that couldn't happen for a variety of reasons. The anomalies have to affect something, but it can't be lasting. It has to be something that gets the attention of the divine in a way that they immediately know "hey, something's going on."
and with MK's, it's sooo MUCH, that it drew the attention of everyone! Because, comparatively we have 1) a bright golden light, 2) a shadow falling over the moon, 3) all the stars flashing brighter for a few seconds, 4) an earthquake that shakes all the realms PLUS golden flowers blooming on the trees.
the fact that there's TWO parts is super important. I wanted that to be a showing of MK's power but also to show his nature as the celestial primate of balance. Because the trees bloomed gold in every realm to highlight his influence and duty, but the earthquake speaks to how powerful he is, how that power has to be carefully maintained or it could spiral out of control.
because I kind of just thought about the nature of the anomalies, too. Wukong's being that bright light and it piercing Heaven just makes me think of his title about being equal to Heaven, how he wanted to be recognized and respected and treated as a divine. that craving for attention.
Macaque's is subtle, a "blink and you miss it" type anomaly because it happened so fast, but it's noticeable in a way like "wait, what was that? the moonlight faded for a second" it's sneaky, it's not outright asking for attention...it's making itself known, but keeping to the night, stalking the shadows. and obvs. the moon itself being linked to the tides, Macaque being born from seafoam. It's neat!! just the symbolism that's associated with water -- wisdom, patience, restoration, guidance. it suits him so well.
Can't talk about the third one for Little Star too much, but the stars FLASHING brighter for a few seconds? all that burning gas just... getting HOTTER and more intense, lighting up the night sky??? attention grabbing for sure, but also intense. exciting, captivating, thinking, perhaps, that something wonderful is about to happen, but then it fades...
it's fun to think about it link them to their characters.
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the-monkey-ruler · 1 year
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so i did a deep dive today for this thank you for the new headcanon
i’m thinking yuán as in 猿 - 犭 = 袁
ape - animal radical = long cloth
like how 猻 - 犭 = 孫 = 孙 (simplified)
猻 is from 猴猻 hóusūn which means monkey
monkey - animal radical = grandson
孙悟空 • sūn wùkōng • grandson awakened to nothingness
袁巫支祁 • yuán wūzhīqí • long cloth great shaman/witch/sorcerer/wizard to support/bear/sustain
if you look at old chinese paintings of gibbons, they look like they have black bodies and white heads
btw i high recommend an evaluation of robert van gulik’s the gibbon in china and its place in modern sinological discourse on the academia app. it’s free and ripe with information about how gibbons were viewed and depicted in ancient china. robert’s book is damn expensive tho. i envy anyone who has their hands on it.
here’s an excerpt that surprised me:
The third theme is suggested in the following: “The gibbon is better than the monkey , the former is clean, gentle and recluse, the latter is dirty, noisy, greedy and vulgar” (“Mei yuan su hou”美猿俗猴) (TGIC 58). RvG thought this idea was pragmatic. Ancient Chinese literati like Wu Yun (“Poem of the Black Gibbon”) (TGIC 54-56), Li Deyu (“Poem of the White Gibbon) (TGIC 56-57), and Liu Zongyuan 柳完元 (773–819)21 (“Essay on the Hateful Monkey-breed” or “Zeng wangsun wen” 憎王孙文) (TGIC 54-56). Each compared the quarrelsome and volatile monkey with the aloof gibbon (TGIC 56). The lament is evidently directed against the people at court who caused their patron’s downfall (TGIC 57). Wu Yün, Li Deyu and Liu Zongyuan contrasted the violent and vulgar monkey with the high-minded and well-behaved gibbon. So the monkey is described as greedy, cruel and undependable, and ugly in appearance” (TGIC 57).
oh and the novel calls wūzhīqí great sage water ape… they were totally born from water. water egg? water womb?
and since it’s semi-popular in lmk fandom to make six-eared macaque a wind monkey due to the macaque king, that would leave red-buttocked horse monkey a fire monkey. red is the color of fire and the horse’s element is fire. in buddhism there are 4 great elements: earth, water, fire, and air so it all weirdly fits.
Oh damn you did such an AMAZING deep dive in both the language and history!! I adore it!!
I am aware the theory that Macaque King is the Six Ears is a common theory and with that the tie in with being the Great Sage of Ventilation, not just in LMK.
It would be cool if the Spiritual Primates had a connection to the elements, even if it is not the five. I actually forget that Buddism had its own elements that are technical since I always counted akasa/space.
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But perhaps if the idea that each primate is also birthed from inanimate objects perhaps something like
Stone - Wukong
Pearl - Wuzhiqi / Gibbon
Magma - Baboon
Tree Root - Macaque (since air is also connected to wood in Chinese lore)
If they were ever to use the Gibbon as either the same Wuzhiqi from the Yuan Xiyouji she would be an amazing addition, or perhaps they could have used the Sage leaning background as well. In either case, there's so much history when it comes to both primate lore that I really think there can be a lot done with these findings
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violetjedisylveon · 4 months
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Shadowpeach Family AU Meme 5
writing gives me meme ideas
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*Yuanhou is the Long Armed Gibbon and Mahou is the Red Bottomed Horse Monkey, Macaque is okay with Yellow Tusk, it's not great, but not terrible.*
I thought it would be funny to have Macaque know the other celestial primates and Wukong be confused af when these two show up at his house.
So they are besties and currently placing bets on how long it takes Wukong to realize that they are besties. Once he does they plan to go on double dates and trade stories of all the shit they've been up to.
Yuanhou and Mahou have been watching the development of Shadowpeach for the longest time. They have seen so much of it.
I hc that Yuanhou uses his arms the same way Plastic Man does cause, it's funny. I don't have a better reason, I just think it'd be funny. He will just drop stuff off on FFM from his home by just stretching his arm all the way over there.
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peachburger · 11 months
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Okay- so I thought of this-
Been too hype about monkeys so I had the thought of making the four celestial primates looking like the actual monkeys ✨
Hope you all like it cause to be honest I was struggling with..THE BABOON 👹👹 (I love them)
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centuryberry · 2 months
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In the ask where the king, queen and warrior live happily ever after how would Yue and Shanzha fit into it/ meet and get snatched away from the evil clan?
I get that eventually they gotta get grabbed but I can't imagine Shanzha willing ditching the temple and her beliefs to go on a journey and meeting them unless it was something like Tang Sangzangs holy journey with the scrolls.
Maybe she put Yue in her bag so she can ensure her niece stays safe and alive while she's on her journey? Then boom she gets turned around in a storm and stumbled upon ffm where she immediately gets a wife! (RinRin claiming her as a constort lmao) and Yue gets doted on like crazy.
Both are obviously freaked out and wary, Shanzha being super protective of her niece which maybe leads to most assuming she's Yue's mother and it isn't until she finds herself opening up and beginning to trust the super amazingly pretty RinRin that things start making sense.
Shanzha: And that about sums up what led me to leave, too bad I have to finish delivering these scriptures or I'd probably stay.*Laughs bitterly*
RinRin mildly horrified and really wanting to keep this poor woman and her niece: but what if you stayed and just- didn't?
Macaque appearing looking incredibly excited: The baby made a friend! C'mon!
He leads them both to some bushes so they can watch where Liu is babysitting the baby monkeys without being caught. Yue is playing along, slightly confused but clearly having the time of her life.
Wukong appears on the other side of RinRin: Please can we keep them 🥺
Also without RinRin with them would there ever be a cure for love potions?
Sorry for the weird questions and rambling I'm excited :>
Offering cuddly monkeys as apology
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Don’t apologize! The questions aren’t weird at all! (Though the cuddly monkeys are very nice so thank you!)
In this AU, Shanzha and Yue do cross paths with FFM but not because of some holy journey or some arranged marriage (though the latter makes a fun AU of AU).
Circumstances leave Shanzha without a temple to stay for and a niece to prioritize. So they flee from the LoES and are chased the entire way. It’s very much involved with a spoiler revealed in the next chapter of the fic.
In a desperate act, Shanzha goes for FFM - a territory with a king no one would easily mess with. Her plan was to at least get Yue to a place of sanctuary since she heard the monkey yaoguai troops from warmer climates were kinder to children. Her own fate didn’t matter.
She gets her sanctuary for Yue. She gets herself sanctuary too. While FFM are wary of the newcomers, they are also very sympathetic about the young mother and her cub.
And then, when they take in Yue’s appearance, they kinda side-eye Macaque. Doesn’t help that Shanzha appears stunned by his appearance.
FFM: Um, Macaque?
Macaque: You all know as much as I do that I didn’t leave this island recently. Besides, I have a king AND queen AND kingdom to tend to. I don’t have time for a secret lover! Don’t you know how exhausted I am???
Meanwhile, RinRin pats him on the back for bringing back such a beauty (Macaque: I said I didn’t!) and aims doe-eyes at the newcomer. FFM starts to place bets on how long this courtship would take.
Yue is understandably shy but she makes friends (super popular because of her unique fur) and settles into FFM life. Super confused why the king, queen, and consort seem to be interested in her growth and health though. Maybe they’re just super thoughtful rulers?
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noodlecatt467 · 8 months
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I could not get this interaction out of my head where the baboon would immediately assume Wukong and Macaque are a couple and them just being very confused when Wukong says that’s not the case
You know those two people that obviously love each other and everyone knows it but them,yeah that’s FFM with these guys, and they are over it
This scene is hypothetical and I have yet to decide whether it’s canon to the CelestialPrimatesAU comic
Also the grey monkey is the solder that rides with wukong on the cloud in the AU comic, I named him Wei,he has anxiety and I love him
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quitealotofsodapop · 5 months
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if stone monkeys actually can give birth or lay stone eggs naturally? Like... if they have a partner it'll be a regular old birth the same as how MK and the twins came into the world... but say a stone monkey didn't have a partner. Stone Monkey are a rare and critically endangered species afterall (even if they don't have the protections of an endangered species).
So what if, as a biological advantage, a stone monkey actually can lay a stone egg and give birth to a little baby stone monkey the same way as how Wukong and Macaque were born. But it's risky since creating life without a partner is beyond dangerous and most don't survive to even see the egg hatch, so most can only have one at a time and have to REALLY want a kid since, well, they'd basically be trading their life for the kids'. A kid that probably wouldn't even be hatched until long after their parent is dead.
I think with Wukong, it'd be a bit different because, well, 7 times over immortal monkey. But he'd still experience the negative effects and basically be completely vulnerable for a long time afterwards if he ever did it.
Just a little headcanon I thought up that I thought you'd be interested in.
Oh like parthenogenesis! Like some reptiles do when theres no available mates. I figure in a similar sense, the baby Stone Monkey would be a near-genetic clone of the parent; with the environment the "womb" is in adding life energy/qi/dao and affecting the appearance/abilities of the developing monkey within. Wukong likely popped out the way he did cus his egg was at the top of a mountain - his egg absorbing the violent life energy of what was once an active volcano over thousands of years.
Considering a certain few lines in Jttw, it's suggested that Wukong and Macaque are the last of their kind (with Six Eared being a variant/subspecies) - or they're just the only ones in that hemisphere. Like ancient human relatives the great Stone Monkeys became lost to time or were drowned in the Great Flood, or in the case of the Gibbon and Baboon; left Earth entirely.
The idea of a Stone Monkey deciding one day "I want a baby" and their body taking from there if there wasn't a viable mating option is really interesting. Their body's becoming like golems, weathered down into boulders if damage comes to them. And also very sad cus they know that theres a really good chance that they will never meet their baby. :(
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Though imagine what the potiential "trigger" for it could be...
Guanyin: "The Monkey King is currently held beneath the Five Point Mountain. It will act as his prison for the next five centuries." Gold Star: "Ah. Make sure he's watered frequently and has plenty of oxygen." Guanyin: "But of course, it is only humane. However, doesn't he possess many forms of immortality?" Gold Star: *is so old that he witnessed the first Stone Monkeys, some even developing on his planet* Gold Star: "Not unless you want him to make another of himself." Guanyin: "Pardon?" Gold Star: "In my observations; when a Stone Monkey without a mate wished to reproduce, they would bury themselves and abstain from all biological needs until their bodies returned to the stone from whence they came. A new stone egg formed within their body as if it were a womb. The process is very taxing, and many died if another was not present to "wake" them afterwards. Though even in the case of parental death; the egg within the body would live on to hatch forth an infant to be raised by the familial troop." Guanyin, panicking: "I... I will be back in a moment." Wukong, beneath the mountain: "...why am I thinking about having kids?" Guanyin: *busts in holding molten copper and iron cus it was the only thing next to her at the time*
Of course it is unlikely for Wukong to actually *die* if his body decided to Copy/Paste him into an egg. But the possible way it could occur to him accidentally in any universe would be scary.
Like say... being trapped in a (newly) air-tightened Furnace by spiteful past enemy...
Lets just say I thought of another way that Luzhen is created >:)
Macaque: *pops open the lid to the airless Furnace* "Oh thank Buddha! You're intact. Drink some water dummy." Wukong, "awakened" by the fresh air and water: "...I think I'm pregnant." Macaque: "Uh... congrats?" Wukong: "No, like. Being cooked in there with no air made me pregnant." Macaque, only vaguely familar with their species: "...we should really ask Gold Star about this."
Luzhen in the TMKATI au would be celebrated as an adored, if not odd, new member to the family. His egg pops out after a long time of just sitting in SWK's body like his swallowed a rock. Luzhen "hatched" in a way that triggered something akin to labor. After all, Wukong's egg split open his Rock-mother (possibly the body of his parent) when it was his time to hatch. Wukong decides it is the worst pain he's ever felt in all his immortal life. Luzhen blinks slowly when his shell finally cracked all the way, confused on where he was.
The bit of dao Luzhen absorbed from his enviroment allowed him to develop just a tiny difference to his father; a pair of moon-silver eyes. Macaque smugly declares Luzhen's beautiful eyes are clearly a trait he inherited from him - and likely *did* depending on if any part of Macaque ended up in the Furnace with Wukong too. Like lets say the bones from an arm grapsing deperately before the lid of the Furnace slammed shut...
Hilariously, if Sun Wukong couldn't breath and/or wasn't able to crawl towards the Wind Trigram his first time cooking in the Furnace; there was a good chance that Lao Tzu would have opened the Furnance to a statue-like Monkey King with an egg inside of it. Wukong finally reawakening 500 years later with a heavy stomach and *many* questions.
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