#but it's also just flat untrue lol
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Antis will be like “Jiang Cheng never viewed Wei Wuxian as family, he was treated like a servant!!! 😠😠😠” but like… if I showed up day-drunk to work, stopped performing my basic duties, kept skipping out when the most support was needed rebuilding, escalated fights during diplomatic events, and refused to tell anyone why I’d started behaving like this, I would definitely get fired. But instead Wei Wuxian has to quiet quit and then actually quit when even that doesn’t work, because as far as we can tell Jiang Cheng would've let him stay as first disciple forever no matter what. So like, if Jiang Cheng thinks of himself as just Wei Wuxian's boss, he does a pretty bad job of treating Wei Wuxian as just an employee.
Are there complicated class dynamics and internal senses of responsibility and debt and duty and obligation fucking both of them up? Absolutely. But Wei Wuxian is definitely not just a servant or a debtor, it’s much, much messier and more complicated than that--which is kind of the problem.
#tbh I think this also comes down to projecting modern (and often western) power dynamics on a very different system#but it's also just flat untrue lol#like you don't let yourself get captured and tortured for Just Some Guy who works for you#not to mention the whole making sure wwx could see jyl before the wedding and get to name the baby#normal things that bosses do for their employees after they quit#once again: there are many things to critique about Jiang Cheng#but antis always fully choose takes that are just blatantly untrue#like the amount of posts that claim he killed wwx when he just flat didn’t is wild#like wwx beat him to that! my man just can’t win!#mdzs#cql#the untamed#jiang cheng#wei wuxian
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Momtara fans, who usually are ztara fans trying to make the ship seem more feminist, have this weird attitude with sokka. One thing a lot of these fans think is that katara buried all her emotions and took on all the emotional labour for the gaang, specifically her brother- which is blatantly untrue and a great misread of her character because in the series we see so many times how she allows herself to be angry, to be happy and sad. she's a very emotional character. but there's this opinion that katara stepped up to be sokkas mom, and that he got over his trauma because of it, and they use this as a reason for why katara takes the emotional labour but it is so untrue. Like the momtara argument based on the fact katara stepped up into kyas role doesn't really work, because we know sokka stepped up into hakodas. You can tell this opinion is biased because even though katara did help her brother a lot, sokka buried a lot of his real emotions on things (like his mom and yues death), and had this thought he had to keep her safe. Weirdly enough the momtara argument fits sokka more lol. But either way, it's such a dumbed down reading of sokka because not only does it just tell people you misunderstood his conversation with toph (personally i did not see it as "he views katara as his mom!" More that he associates katara with her sacrifice and that's why he sees her) but also just ignores that he did suffer too. More than one character can suffer, katara did a lot for him but she didn't take it all on, vice versa. He's also dumbed down quite a bit by those shippers as well, but that's a whole other thing.
"Momtara fans, who usually are ztara fans trying to make the ship seem more feminist, have this weird attitude with sokka" Boy, don't I know it. I had a very unpleasant discussion with one of them in the comments of my "In Defense Of Azula" collection of metas on Ao3.
I mentioned fandom misogyny in one of said metas, and that person, somehow, thought that that was the perfect opportunity and place to say shit like "Sokka never really cared about Katara, every nice thing he ever did for her was all about wanting to be 'Macho', not out genuine affection" and I was just in SHOCK at such an obvious bad-faith reading of the character and story. I could not understand what the fuck that person had against Sokka to just flat out about him like that.
Then they started ranting about how nobody in the Gaang truly cared about Katara, essentially treated her as their maid, and then just "casually" mentioned how she'd be much happier in the Fire Nation because they're totally a more egalitarian nation, and I was like "Okay, I get it now. This person is a zutarian and they think they have to dunk on every character that isn't Zuko." I checked their profile and yup, that was exactly the case. Thank God Ao3 lets you block/mute users now.
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I agree with you on a lot of your points even as a religious person and I wanted to say I'm glad you're not someone who uses their atheism to be anti Semitic as I've looked up to you for a very long time
Thank you very much! I very much try! I don’t want to take much credit given there’s always the chance I might fuck up someday, or hell, even in this post, but it heartens me a lot to hear you’ve looked up to me!
… Well, heartens and scares me in equal measures, but that’s not going to ever change, lol. It’s scary to apparently have people who’ve looked up to me! I’m Just Some Guy! (Well, actually a girl, but like. Metaphorically.)
I think, if I have to say anything, part of why I talk about stuff like this is because my beef isn’t with believing in the afterlife, or participating in religion, I know some people do have beef with that, but I don’t really think it’s feasible to expect that people are ever going to stop believing in the afterlife, or organizing religions. It would also likely involve oppressing people for their beliefs, no matter the intention of any campaign against it, which means it’s not worth it.
If people or the larger forces of society ever stop being as religious, and that’s a really big if, it should never be because people were forced to stop believing in their religon, it should be because we discovered answers to some of the questions of life that makes religion less important for people.
I doubt that would happen, but I can’t dismiss that possibility, given the history of secularity as science has evolved over the years indicating things are trending away from religion.
Basically, my beef isn’t with, like, religion as a concept, but rather, people believing things about reality that we know to be not true.
Flat earth, astrology, those sorts of things. Discriminating against people for reasons with no basis in science.
These things are bad, not specifically because they are religious; they are bad because they are harmful. They are bad because they are untrue, and that’s enough for me!
Some people claim all of religion is untrue, and while I think to some extent I personally agree, I don’t particularly care what people believe privately, as long as they aren’t using it to justify false beliefs about reality or harming others. It’s just not my business, and it’s not worth it when more harmful beliefs still exist.
Basically, as I said in my long anti-astrology post a while back; The TLDR here is; evidence based beliefs are good and based and unfalsifiable beliefs are bad and cringe. That’s what really matters to me.
#answer#anti astrology#atheism#skepticism#antisemetism#god I hope I didn’t phrase this poorly#To be clear I’m not someone who thinks the destruction of religion would be good or necessary#I just mean that the history of secularity is inherently intertwined with scientific discovery#As we discover truths about our universe#people have less questions to ask gods about#Because we know the answers#And knowing the answers means people don’t feel the need to consult god about them#It would likely not actually get rid of religion!#Just fundamentally change it#And I’d like to hope changes will be for the better#discourse?#astrology#forgot that one
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how bout 1, 3, or 17 or all of them :)
Ooof, I am not going to do all of those all at once. There's too many of them lol (but still feel free to send in some more if you want!)
1. What font do you write in? Do you actually care or is that just the default setting?
I have to use Times New Roman. I know it's stuffy and annoying, but I got so use having to write all my papers in that font that to type with anything else feels too wrong.
3. What is your writing ritual and why is it cursed?
My writing ritual is not cursed, thank you very much! I simply sit down to write at the end of my day. I pull up my music and open my doc-- and actually, I do one questionable thing. Before I start writing the next part of a WIP, I go back and edit what I had written the day before. I know it's a bad writing habit, but it's easier for me to move forward with a story when I know I am happy with what came before it.
17. Talk to me about the minutiae of your current WIP. Tell me about the lore, the history, the detail, the things that won’t make it in the text.
This is a bit of a hard one since I'm never sure what tiny details I'm going to be able to squeeze into the story, but I can tell you about a subplot that I ended up deleting for space.
Originally, the flashback section had a story line where the main Walton family suddenly wanted to reconnect with Link now that he was the hero. A lot of it was going to be about how they were all opportunistic assholes, the paradigm of which was his cousin who was also in the army with him. This cousin was pretty sleazey, as he was meant to represent soldiers who are terrible people on the off time, often harassing civilians.
This cousin would have had a major role in the story line involving Kat and her head injury. He was also a pretty flat character, as I never bothered to find a way to humanize him before I cut out his story line.
I also never gave him a name, so let's give him one right now. How about... Donald Walton. Don for short.
Also, this will probably be established in story, but every time Warriors talks about Lincoln's relationship with his mom, he always says that they were a one night stand. And, like, this is blatantly untrue. Out of everyone in Hyrule, Marigold Walton came the closest to marrying Lincoln. And the person who prevented the marriage was Marigold herself.
Like, sure. Lincoln did not love her. But there is a lot more to their relationship than a one night stand would imply.
#one day I will tell you the full marigold and lincoln story#lol i should write a 5+1 where it's 5 times Lincoln's romances didn't work out and the 1 time it did#me rambling#lu ctb#linked universe#linkeduniverse#lu#ask#anonymous
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my atla posts are going around again and rereading some of the responses to me lol
I really think I ignored how weirdly this person wrote at the time and how they bragged about being deeply intellectual when they admitted they couldn't follow an argument and believed in a flat arc as a concept
They also followed it up with this banger:
why should I read a science journal to learn the structure for literary (or in this case tv show) analysis?? I also literally have an English degree, I read and wrote actual essays including on tv shows/film not just books
I was definitely casual and snarky at that time because it's the internet not an essay I'm submitting for a grade and I'd had multiple people intentionally misunderstanding me at that point
but I still had evidence for my positions and structured my arguments and didn't mischaracterize anything or state anything factually untrue (when this person mixed up Aang entering the spirit world with him entering the avatar state in the s1 finale)
I really skipped a lot to stay on focus with some of these people lol
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I dislike the term Flanderization bc the entire reasoning behind itz existence iz incorrect
We all know it wuz named after Ned Flanders, and the fact he became a flatter character az the series went on, except... that isn't true? He actually started off az a flat character and got more complex, he started off az a generic rival character, the entire reason behind his existence wuz just so Homer could have someone to be jealous ov, but later on the took the fact he wuz a Christian and expanded upon it, I don't think they made his Christianity his entire personality, they just changed his purpose so they could have a vessel 2 make fun ov and make commentary on religious extremistz, which meanz he wuz given flawz he previously lacked, like b4 they made him an extremist he legitimately had no character flawz, atleast 1z noticeable enough 2 matter
Ppl also seem 2 think Ned becoming an extremist wuz unintentional and a result ov incompetent writing, which probably also untrue, az when Flanders wuz 1st created, being the "perfect Christian" wuz considered the ideal, and az the cultural view ov Christianity changed, so did Flanders
He wasn't made flatter, his purpose just changed, like with Sideshow Mel, Mel started off az a generic replacement 4 Sideshow Bob az Krusty's sidekick after Bob went 2 prison by the end ov Krusty Gets Busted, and originally wuz a non-speaking character, but az the series progressed, Mel's character wuz expanded and his purpose changed, now u barely see Mel with Krusty in newer episodez, just like how with Ned, he became less ov just Homer's rival, and iz now his character separate from Homer
I think the only reason ppl seem 2 think Ned got less complex az the series progressed iz just bc they don't like his characterization anymore, itz the same old stupid "Complex Character equals Good Character", which iz just dumb bc u can have non complex characterz that r good, and complex characterz who r bad
Ned iz literally an example ov thiz, u r literally complaining abt the thing u say u want. Just bc u don't like how Ned iz in the newer season doesn't mean he got less complex, it just meanz u don't like his writing anymore!!!
Sorry if thiz iz rambly or doesn't make any sense I'm tired and just wanted 2 get thoughtz out lol
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I think with blind items it’s important to remember that you really need to take them with a grain of salt. Some of them are either extremely exaggerated or just flat out made up. You kind of have to line them up with the timeline of what is publicly known. I’ve also heard from someone who used to work in PR that blind items can be very unreliable. Like yes some are true but a lot are made up. She said that she knew some blind items were just completely false because she was working for the person they were about.
definitely.. yes, inevitably, some blind items are untrue lol that's why you have to just use your good judgment!
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I think the highlight of this end-of-anime-season by far is watching people badly misinterpret kino no tabi in whatever way best serves their review of majo no tabitabi
#i feel like the argument that Majotabi deals with interpersonal conflicts where kino doesn’t is Untrue bc like...#all the heaviest-hitting parts of knt are emotional beats for Kino as a character and her perspective/worldview actually does matter a lot#lots of the people she meets are ciphers obviously but just as many Are fleshed out as charactersto a degree#because... a good amt of knt is parables about Social Dynamics as well as political ones... Just Like Majotabi#BUT ALSO#negative reviews love to pretend knt does things that it absolutely does not just to make elaina look bad in comparison lol#‘kino emphasizes with people she meets and will help someone if she sees them suffering’ oh you haven’t watched the show huh#ahhh *empathizes lol#if you’re really determined to interpret elaina as an evil narcissist there’s nothing i can do to stop you#but flat out lying about kino to make elaina look bad in comparison is a terrible look lol#txt#my general take on the show is ‘positive with some reservations’ like it was truly no kino after all but it was worth watching#also Cheap Shot: still better than knt 2017!!!!!!
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the idea of voting down-ballot but not voting for the office of the president is so stupid, like what are you accomplishing by going ALL the way there to vote, and then only voting for people who’s job would be infinitely easier if they had a democrat in the white house, but refusing to vote to put a democrat in the white house. WHAT are you accomplishing besides a whole lot of stupidity.
#its funny because then people will attack you for loving biden never mind the fact that me and a lot of other people I know detest so many#things about his campaign#while supporting other parts#but this is a long game and some of you apparently cant grasp that#so youre gonna vote for a democratic senator.................who cant do shit if we elect trump again? thats your grand idea?#also lol. all those senators support biden#us politics#the idea that you can keep your hands 'clean' by note voting is just flat out untrue#you cannot be 'uninvolved' by not voting#you fucking live here
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If your taking in groups: all of the champions
YESSSSS
For this ask game!
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Aggie:
favorite thing about them: Randomly bursts into operatic singing whenever she decides it is Needed.
least favorite thing about them: I sometimes feel like she's a flat character. I would like to see more sides to her than just "I want to beat someone at something." I hope she gets another episode in the future where we see her do something other than compete.
favorite line: "Nighty-night, lItTlE bAbY!" (I wanna say this is from Capture-the-Flag part 5 but I cannot remember for certain lol)
brOTP: Keun Sup and Jackie
OTP: really like Aggie/Maya, but I really only have put undertones of it in the fics haha.
nOTP: Idk, I only have like two ships for her tbh.
random headcanon: She learns really fast, so she helps her friends with homework, especially Jackie, Keun Sup, and Maya.
unpopular opinion: As much as I loved Better Than You and seeing Aggie come to terms with the fact that her side lost the capture-the-flag war and watching her learn how to draw VERY impressively, I'll also be disappointed if it's the only Aggie episode we get, for the reasons I listed above.
song i associate with them: Most loud songs lol
favorite picture of them: in her PJs watching her friend play video games at a sleepover 🥺
Jackie:
favorite thing about them: His CHARISMA
least favorite thing about them: Not enough screentime
favorite line: N/A
brOTP: Keun Sup, Aggie, and Maya; Bobby, Sparkle Cadet, and Omar
OTP: Ever since Bobby/Jackie has been brought to my attention, it has not left my mind. Love is stored in the "shares my candy with you."
nOTP: Also more of an idk moment, though I guess you could say any of the other champions because I like them best as friends.
random headcanon: Frogs are his favorite animal
unpopular opinion: I've heard a few people call him a boring character? Which is the most untrue statement ever, because as I stated above, he's charasmatic af. If it's unpopular to think Jackie's not boring, I guess that's it.
song i associate with them: Rises the Moon by Liana Flores. Idk why, just sounds like something he'd like.
favorite picture of them: happy!
Keun Sup:
favorite thing about them: In the words of his VA, he's a little gremlin. Also the fact that he got into a fight with himself because he cheated against himself in a game of checkers he was playing against himself.
least favorite thing about them: Could have beat Kelsey's group during the Capture-the-Flag war but instead he let his hubris get to him, smh.
favorite line: "Trust me, Craiggy baby!" lmao where'd he get that from? (From The Quickname)
brOTP: Jackie, Aggie, and Maya; Cannonball; The horsegirls, especially Marie
OTP: I don't really ship him with anyone, but Keun Sup/Craig and Keun Sup/Cannonball aren't bad.
nOTP: yeah once again idk
random headcanon: He can be a perfectionist, and gets really frustrated if he can't do something right. No wonder he was so cranky towards the end of The Quickname.
unpopular opinion: His superspeed is Creek Magic, and it can't be seen by anyone who doesn't go to the creek. That's how he's slowest in his family. It's not because the rest of his family moves faster than his superspeed.
song i associate with them: Sonic songs, especially from Sonic Colors, Sonic Rush, and Sonic Heroes since those are some of my favs and I listen to their soundtracks all the time. Friends by Hyperpotions specifically comes to mind when he's with any of the above Brotps. I listen to it while writing fics for him sometimes hehe.
favorite picture of them: title card lol
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Ugh it makes me so upset how lowkey panphobic people are. Like they’ll seem really supportive sometimes but then claim we need to think about why we chose pansexuality over bisexuality or that some definitions are harmful or we need to consider the (supposed biphobic/transphobic) origins. Or if someone doesn’t wanna watch a show or read a book that has panphobia in it that’s somehow not enough of a good reason. It’s like how can you claim to be supportive and not see yourself saying all of this stuff? You’ve said it before but man pan people are REALLY held to a different standard. We’re treated like we just have to accept panphobia and we constantly have to over-explain ourselves whether it’s why we identify one way or why we /aren’t/ bad people, the fact that pan people very rarely use hurtful definitions (ofc when LGB ppl use a hurtful definition they’re not treated like the majority…), or why our history is Not bad. Can you tell someone I thought was a good person just pulled a lot of bs lol. I saw them say things like “we always talk about panphobia but never biphobia” before so maybe I should’ve known. Sad stuff.
“we always talk about panphobia but never biphobia” are they for real? WHERE? i cannot stand when people say shit like that. because it's flat out fucking untrue. and as someone who is constantly witnessing and calling out and hurt by the lack of care the community has for pan people and panphobia, panphobes insisting that panphobia is taken more seriously than biphobia or there's more/better pan rep than bi rep or both sides of the "bi vs pan" shit is equal is starting to feel like gaslighting.
just last night someone was put on my timeline on twitter talking about wanting to undo bi erasure in a video game and one of the characters they were talking about was confirmed by the creators and voice actor as originally intended to be pansexual but was erased due to network pressure. the sources they gave said this. but they're still saying the character's bisexuality was erased. like....even pan erasure gets erased. even when people write a pan character and they fuck up what pan means, everyone rushes to say it's bi/transphobic but never once mentions how it's panphobic.
it's just. no one fucking gives a shit about panphobia. and i am so beyond tired of people outright fucking lying and saying it's more of a priority than biphobia. like, not only is it outright false to say people care more about panphobia than biphobia, but it's outright false to say people even care about panphobia in the first place.
(also, you were spot on with everything. and i'm sorry someone you liked/thought was a good person turned out to be a panphobe.)
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8 and 15. Don't say dieryth challenge
Why would you do this to me.
8. Fav OC ship?
I want to say Dieryth so bad. Any other answer would be untrue I'm so mad why did you ask if you KNEWWWW /lh Literally Our Icons Are Dieryth Right Now cmon CMOOOONNNNN
BUT FINE IF WE AREN'T COUNTING DIERYTH BC IT'S THE OBVIOUS ANSWER.........
Probably Akoni/Chilly or Matteo/Daisy! (Bias answer is Opal/Saffron but I feel like that's cheating bc they're both my ocs + based on my swatc/hkaar/d HCs LMAO)
We've done a lot w/both of them and they have dynamics I rly love in ships and some of my fav characters between us so it rly tends to just work out that they revolve in my head a lot. Akoni and Chilly just have that RLY good extrovert/introvert thing going on and compliment each other really well! Bc Akoni is rly flamboyant and Chilly is pretty subdued, so Akoni gets Chilly out of his shell while Chilly keeps Akoni grounded...it's a pretty fun mix even if Akoni's antics get them into trouble a lot GKHNGKHKGH Then Matteo and Daisy is just. So fucking funny. And really sweet! Probably one of the sickly sweetest ships we have and I find it delightful. Both of them bumbling over their crushes on each other and not knowing what to do will never not be entertaining, esp with Matteo's Severe Lack Of Social Ability LOL He's so head over heels with her it's rly funny and easy to poke at, literal girlboss and malewife moments GKHNGKHG also once again its extrovert/introvert so yea you can guess a theme with me. I like opposites. sue me. <3
15. An OC that's difficult to write/draw/RP?
Charcoal surprisingly is REALLY hard for me to write consistently! I find them to be really bland when I write gem and it's a struggle for me to make gem rly "stand out" in any sort of way when I try to, which is not very fun. I still need to figure out how I want to write gem and nothing seems to be sticking in a really satisfying way to me currently.
Akim is actually rly hard for me to draw OTL I can never get his body/face type right and how I Want it to be- He's one of my favorite characters but god I struggle to draw him, I'm never satisfied with how he looks in my style shakes my fist. God I Wish he was easier to draw bc I love him so much AUGH
Keiren was pretty difficult to RP with also, idk what it was about him but I just did not have a good grasp on how to write him and I still don't. I like to RP with my characters but that guy felt so flat and uninteresting it just made me lose interest even tho i LOVE him as a character, just not. rly rping GKHNKGH
#asks and answers#puppetgenders#FUCK you for not letting me say dieryth /lh#for the record dieryth is everything to m#everything.
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Hoax and renegade both refer to their issues. "Don't want no other shade of blue but you" etc seems like it's referring to his struggles with mental health and sadness and how she wants to be with him regardless. Neither of the songs are 100% autobiographical but they refer to the rough patch they had I believe. Of course he liked the song (she wouldn't have released it if he found it offensive) and she was grinning in the MV because by that point things were better. I don't know why this is a controversial take. They did not break up but he was just an extreme sad boy and pushed her away so it took a toll on their relationship
Your updated take isn’t controversial but babe this is what you originally wrote:
Bits I disagree with: 1) “he withdrew completely (according to Renegade)” - disagree because I don’t think he withdrew completely given she was referring to how he’s her rock and shit in that time period and they worked creatively and got closer through that and that process began in April so a “complete” withdrawal could’ve lasted like… for March… and like that seems unlikely. But obviously he was sad, who fucking wasn’t? And yes we know through all her music he pushes her away when he’s sad. That’s not “withdrew completely” that’s just “Joe was Joe at his worst, which wasn’t new and won’t be the last time like realistically because that’s how he deals with getting sad.”
2) “there was nowhere for me to stay but I stayed anyway” as I said to me is a more high concept version of the the line in NYD which also refers to staying when he’s withdrawn so again this doesn’t sound new or exacerbated.
3) “it was smart of her to release the song on a Big Red Machine Record” - why lol like she released more personal and in real time songs (peace) and sadder and more dramatic made up songs (illicit affairs and so why would she have to be “smart”? She just wrote it for Aaron’s record man like it’s not part of her dastardly PR that you saw through.
4) “being together 24x7 all of the time is a recipe for disaster” eh I mean again it actually brought them closer together apparently and she’s chosen to work from home more going forward, they had staff and Laura with them, and like they have a mansion not a cramped flat right like they could exercise and call friends and chat to Laura and all sorts of shit and then they started traveling again still in the pandemic (went up to Blake and Ryan’s and Aaron’s etc). So like this also feels untrue.
Uncontroversial take: Taylor and Joe were both sad in 2020, same as every sane person tbh, and that comes across in the music they made.
Uncontroversial take: when Joe is sad he pushes Taylor away and that frustrates her.
Controversial take: the stuff you wrote in points 1-4.
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Hey! What are your pronouns? I saw some old comics about using they/them, is that still the case?
Also, if it’s not a weird question, how has your gender identity grown and changed over the years?
hello! my pronouns are he/him. I used to use only they/them but I realize now that the reason I wasn't jiving with he/him pronouns is because I was quietly convinced that, if I was a man, that i'd eventually turn into the men in my family lol which is untrue. I get that now.
the first identity label I really latched onto was genderqueer, and I still really like that label, if I'm honest! but then I found agender and gender fluid and some others and I kept cycling through these labels, desperately trying to figure out what one felt 110% right.
I eventually stopped caring and kinda grew irritated with trying to find the right label for myself. I stayed like that for a year or so, and it allowed me to realize that I like he/him pronouns and that I want to be perceived as a cis man, even if I'm not 110% a man. it's just where I'm most comfortable. I've always kind of wanted to blend in and be someone that doesn't stick out in a crowd.
I don't really know what label works best for me. all I really seem to know, confidently, is that I'm happy that I have a flat chest, I'm happy I don't have a uterus, and that I'm happy to be on hrt. oh, and that I'm happy to pursue voice therapy and maybe voice surgery. :)
I hope that made sense. I guess the TLDR is that I thought way too much about my identity for way too long and what I should have done from the beginning was just figure out what I want for myself, rather than what I want to call myself.
hopefully that makes sense? thanks for the ask!
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Icewing Headcanons
I know I said I’d do Sandwings next but inspiration struck me for these guys so here we are, with Icewing headcanons!
-Icewings have rich sounding voices that are uniquely suited for singing, as well as mimicking voices and noises! They can do scarily good impressions.
-There’s an intricate code of animal sounds (fox yips and barks, wolf calls, and bear grunts to name a few) that Icewings use to communicate across the flat ice
-Icewing traditional music is divided into a few categories: orchestra, traditional singing, and drum/chanting music
-Orchestra music is exactly what you’d expect, almost string orchestra (think standard classical music)
-Because of the wood for the instruments, it must be played in very specific, warmer rooms and is considered the most sophisticated form of music by Icewings
-It also effectively safeguards middle class Icewings from learning to play, as instruments are hard to acquire, and harder to learn to play without the right practice space.
-Traditional singing originates closer to the middle/bottom of the Ice kingdom, and is seen as the “acceptable” piece of music to preserve
-It’s in the style of Northern European (Lithuanian in the example I use) singing groups, being overlapping harmonies sung by multiple women typically, and often in duets (an example I found for a duet is here! look into more music like it if the song appeals to you)
-Music is a big part of Icewing tradition, and as such it’s expected any future queen knows her stuff.
-As such younger princes/princesses put on shows for the other royal icewings, meaning Winter/Icicle/Hailstorm were forced into a lot of concerts together, with Icicle as the main show, while Winter and Hailstorm provided singing and musical accompaniment respectively
-Winter is actually better at singing than hailstorm, and was made to do the harmony to Icicle for years due to the lack of other princesses
-Winter can still play violin very well though, he’s just a little insecure about it (Hailstorm can drum and play cello)
-The two other pieces of Icewing music are work songs and drumming, which come from the shores of the Ice Kingdom. They’re thought of as being particularly lower class, and aren’t as well documented as the other two forms, though no less impressive
-Drums are made in part with seal skin, it involves a circle of Icewings with drums, each playing a specific part. This is accompanied by call-and-response chants (don’t have a good example for this right now, sorry!! I’ll edit it in if I find any)
-Icewing music and art techniques are a very closely guarded secret though, and almost never taught outside of the Ice kingdom
~~We’ve already seen a lot of how Icewing royalty is, so this is mostly going to be around “common” Icewings~~
-A large portion of the Icewing diet and livelihood is fish and whales. Much of this is also traded with the Sea, Mud, and Sky Kingdom.
-The Ice Kingdom is pretty merciless to dragons without the ability to fly, and dragonets who might not know how are guarded relentlessly by the village until they can safely fly.
-Most towns and villages are build up relatively high as a result, on spires or along cliffs or just tall points in the snow and ice- both to provide safety, and a good vantage point
-A common superstition is Icewings stranded/left for dead or otherwise downed on the sea ice eventually become polar bears.
-Some Icewings refuse to eat polar bear because of that, and leave out fish for them at shrines for those lost at sea or on the ice.
-There was one Icewing though with malformed wings who became famous for her ability to hunt under the sea ice, holding her breath for long periods of time and memorizing where breathing spots were. Aptly, she was recognized mostly under the name Polar Bear, though her original name is unknown
-Icewings are stereotyped as grumpy and unfriendly, and while that’s not entirely untrue, it comes from a misunderstanding about how Icewings show affection.
-The icewing attitude is very much one of “protect your own”, which covers your immediate neighbors and, when out of the kingdom, any other Icewing.
-However, outright asking for help is considered a weakness or a sign of desperation/slipping on the asker’s part.
-This leads to really intense communities where every Icewing is hyper-aware of each other, for better or for worse.
-If one family is down on their luck, other dragons will chip in to provide adequate food and supplies as gifts.
-There’s also specific rituals for given gifts to other dragons, where the recipient denies the gift around three times, and the giver explains what their gift is for and attempts to convince them to take it.
-Accepting a gift when first given is considered desperate and/or greedy, and pushing back too much is considered proud and/or spoiled.
-This makes the scene where Moon tries to offer to cook meat for Winter especially funny, c’mon Moon he’s just being polite by Icewing standards why’d you have to actually take him on his word.
-Gifts from family members/partners don’t need to follow this pattern super strictly though, it’s mostly for people outside your immediate family but still in your social circle.
-Genuinely not accepting a gift is completely unheard of, no matter how unwanted the gift is or any personal feelings between the gift-giver and the recipient.
-It’s beyond rude, especially with how harsh Icewing life is, gifts are given with a very specific weight of “I am sparing what I might not have to give to you for free.”
-There is one major exception, that being gifts given to a dragon above your circle or your class. They can choose whether or not to accept or decline gifts.
-Similarly to earlier, pawning your trash off on another Icewing under the guise of a gift is extremely trashy and rude, and a good way to sink your reputation.
-The expectation isn’t that you’ll pay these gifts back in equal weight, but rather that if then that family is down on their luck, you’ll chip in to help them like they did for you.
-Icewings show their affection in quality time too, an Icewing’s attention isn’t given lightly and it’s expected that you’ll always make time for your loved ones
-By Icewing standards here Winter is basically whipped for his winglet (Qibli especially), which is hella funny to me
-Icewing communities are very insular though, and newcomers are viewed with a healthy mixture of wariness and suspicion from afar.
-This doesn’t extend to dragonets though, no matter where the dragonet comes from, or even the tribe, all Icewings watch out for younger dragons and make sure they stay safe and protected.
That’s all I got so far, I hope I did these dumb spiky boys justice. I think this is the longest I’ve made one of these lol, what can I say the inspiration hit hard. As always, feel free to add your own headcanons/pitch in your thoughts in the comments or reblogs ^^.
#wings of fire#wof#wings of fire headcanons#icewings#icewings wof#icewing headcanons#wof headcanons#winter turning#winter#qinter#hailstorm wof#icicle wof#sorry for all of you who were hoping for Sandwings :(#they're next I swear!#it's even in my drafts#I should stop publishing these things at night
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Ronnie & Joe
Ronnie: [is gonna rock up late despite literally living with Charlie so enjoy the entrance everybody]
Joe: [when you weren’t invited but still gonna show up like you have somewhere better to be, love that for you, the effort we’ve not gone to because we live here so it’s kinda okay but not really Joseph, also I imagine kinda shook she ended up showing]
Ronnie: [likewise in the sense that she dresses the same everywhere she goes unless it’s a job interview or court appearance lol but we know she looks good if you’re Joseph and into it, I imagine her zoning in on Jamie immediately like who the fuck is this and then oh I’ve heard nothing about you kinda energy soz gal]
Joe: [rude but not untrue in this case, at least Charlie can make it seem like you’re joking and Joe can go get you a drink like soz this is all we have energy ‘cos in jokes]
Ronnie: [I highly doubt they have enough seats around that table so I also imagine her dragging up something to sit on like yeah I’m here to stay bitches and drinking Joe’s drink while he’s gone as a throwback to when she did when they met at that gig and cos we’re obvs claiming him LOL]
Joe: [we know the food is gonna be studenty anyway so having smaller portions won’t kill any of us lmao, just dying at how shocked Sophie is having to conceal she is, host on queen, boring boyfriend having no opinions of course]
Ronnie: [don’t worry gal depending how much of a jealous rage we get into we probably won’t be eating it so you’ll still have brownies left, her face would be iconic and I totally picture Marc on his phone the entire time because Paul used to do that when he was with Trace]
Joe: [giving nothing to this bizarre situation, too real, Charlie and Sophie holding this together, soz guys, Joe jus amused af, do we sit opposite or next to hmm]
Ronnie: [read that as soz gays, ILY mum & dad, I think he needs to sit opposite Jamie so that she can accuse them of eye fucking each other or whatever so probably next to]
Joe: [okay yes gather ‘round everyone]
Ronnie: she lives here
Joe: yeah I told you, Silent Bob’s gf
Ronnie: you said he had a bitch not shes been chained to the radiator since youse lot moved in
Joe: maybe that’s his secret
Ronnie: whens he letting you have your go
Joe: got my own radiator you can have a go on when this is over
Joe: not to brag or nothing
Ronnie: wont be over til the fat flatmate sings & the other one sucking you off while her & mariah duet and the boyfriend pretends he aint watching youse instead is fuck all to brag about
Joe: be lucky if it got close to that level of mildly interesting
Joe: where are you in all this then
Ronnie: under the sink looking for drain cleaner or whatever else i can drink
Joe: why do you get to have all the fun?
Ronnie: i dont waste my time asking bullshit questions
Joe: how are we gonna waste our time
Ronnie: im gonna kill your shared girlfriend & youre gonna cry about it
Joe: I don’t think I am
Joe: no amount of tragedy is gonna breakthrough the chemical fog
Ronnie: you would if you could
Joe: [🙄 at her]
Ronnie: [tips however much is left of her drink into his lap not at all accidentally but we know Charlie and Soph will pretend it was]
Joe: [whip them off to go get changed boy]
Ronnie: [when you wanna follow him but you just gotta glare instead]
Joe: [probably taking whatever we’ve got in to make this go easier, ‘scuse us, so much missing out]
Ronnie: [you know she turned up already on something so do what you gotta do Joseph]
Joe: [Jamie should be talking to you about uni things thus alienating everyone else a lil ‘cos that is a bit rude and will annoy you gal]
Ronnie: [fully just opening up a wound over here literally cos she was already jealous but did not realise they had this much shit in common or anything in common actually so we’re just livid and bleeding]
Joe: [Sophie just running with the kitchen roll like omg do we have bandages guys like oh babe you truly only mean well, Charlie just giving the can you not looks of it all, Joe just jealous because we’ve obviously got our long sleeves]
Ronnie: [a spoken out loud fuck you at everyone but mainly Joe as we go to the bathroom to not deal with this but instead evoke the energy of when Mae downed that mouthwash because she definitely would and also go through the cabinets for anything sharp obvs]
Joe: [at least you can go under the guise of checking on her but really you’re just seeing what she’s doing]
Ronnie: [1000% have not locked the door because we wanted him to follow us but that won’t stop her telling him to get out because walking contradiction forever]
Joe: [locks it behind him in response]
Ronnie: [the most intense glare in response because could not be more livid rn]
Joe: [grabbing wherever the wound is like we’re gonna kiss it better or something like Soph for a casual bit of blood drinking]
Ronnie: [obviously have to push him away really hard because we’re obviously really into it and excuse you boy we’re trying to be angry and hate you, soz to all the flatmates when you hear that crashing about]
Joe: [lmao this tiny bathroom getting destroyed, steady yourself and her despite that clearly not being what she wants right now, roll up a sleeve ‘you never did the X’]
Ronnie: [the glorious visual of trying to get past him to leave/push him away again at the same time in a small space so you just end up pressed up against each other and the door making eye contact and it’s hot af ‘you never took me anywhere’]
Joe: [‘so let me’ do you mean let’s get out of here or in a saucy way either or you skinny as hell girl so if you not really trying to leave it’s easy not to let you]
Ronnie: [‘she’ll let you’ because we’re not just dropping this even if we want to]
Joe: [‘who?’ like an oblivious boy ‘cos clearly not where our head is]
Ronnie: [a really vicious read of Jamie based on what we’re learned this evening that I’m not gonna do because I am not that mean but it’s obvious it’s her and not Sophie we’re talking about, hope you don’t hear us gal]
Joe: [‘I’m not interested’ in every sense right now ‘and you know that, stop pissing about’]
Ronnie: [‘wasn’t any other cunt round the table hanging on her every fucking word, I know that’ because that was blatant Jamie]
Joe: [‘I can’t help it that her fella’s an accountant’ what do you do Marc, do any of us know lol, shrugs ‘we go to the same school, that’s it’ and a look like whatever the fuck this is is clearly more]
Ronnie: [she would wanna lol but we can’t because still mad ‘that’s it?’ not actually a question though more like you better be telling the truth boy ‘why the fuck have you never told me about her then?’]
Joe: [‘I thought I had when I said he had a girlfriend’ not not a lie ‘none of them are what I want to talk about, that’s it’]
Ronnie: [‘you were thinking with this’ grabbing his dick when we say so ‘that’s it’ cos even if that was true Joseph we shade the rest of the flatmates often and you know damn well we love doing it]
Joe: [shakes head even though we are very clearly into that ‘she’s no Soph’ like it wouldn’t be as funny soz]
Ronnie: [‘is right’ like yeah I know you actually seriously wanna get with her, and moving away but not to leave but to pick back up whatever implement we were gonna hurt ourselves with before he came in but didn’t get chance to because we’re genuinely upset]
Joe: [literally putting ourselves in front of it like no ‘Ronnie’ like I don’t know how you’re going to even put it into words boy so it’s mainly a !!! look]
Ronnie: [a look that starts out like don’t try and stop me/fuck you but turns into !! when his does like say something/do something if you mean it]
Joe: [got to go in and kiss you whilst making her push whatever she was gonna use on herself into him, now or never, enjoy the tension finally getting released]
Ronnie: [obviously we’re kissing you back so we all know what’s gonna happen next lol, soz flatmates I really hope you can’t hear anything, especially Charlie cos you actually know they’re related]
Joe: [it is not a big flat so keep quiet, just think he’s comforting her for all this time or what, god bless]
Ronnie: [she would be trying to keep quiet but not for y’all more so he thinks she’s unimpressed/not that into it but that would literally last all of a second because she’s obviously very into it]
Joe: [the levels you aren’t gonna wanna go back in but can’t be seen as being romantic lads]
Ronnie: [I could easily have her leave if we want though because it’s a fact that she doesn’t wanna be here and everyone would be relieved except Joseph]
Joe: [that probably makes sense, honestly, and you’ve freaked them all out, as was the point]
Ronnie: [and lbr you’ve freaked yourselves out with how good that hook up was too so]
Joe: [just go hide in your room like you’re very taxed by that in an acceptable way boy]
Ronnie: [god knows where you’re gonna go gal but please don’t OD again like you literally did in Margate no time ago]
Joe: [the headfuckery]
Ronnie: [poor Charlie just like UMMM WTF cos she must look bad even for her rn and we’ve behaved terribly and then literally legged it so]
Joe: [thank god you’re such a natural party go-er so you can make up some excuse to put them all at relative ease but yeah, for sure like excuse me]
Ronnie: [might be fun to do a convo between them when we’re done with this one]
Joe: [I’m down even though I really haven’t used him yet, I’ll give it a go]
Ronnie: [yeah it’s been forever since we did the group chats with them and Bronson and Bea it feels like another life, I can send you the convo we did where she told him she met Joe if you like cos I re-read that the other day and it was pretty good]
Ronnie: [but the real question is who’s gonna break first and start a convo and how long are we leaving it?]
Joe: [please do ‘cos did not realize we’d done that tbh]
Joe: [I could make a case for either of them, him to prove he meant it as he left it last time but her so she can’t automatically be on the ‘it meant nothing’ total defensive hmm]
Joe: [some hours later when the party is over, or could be]
Joe: Charlie was going pub, he’s left here though
Ronnie: [even later because whatever she’s doing she’s messy and can’t reply to the extent that she doesn’t need to because he won’t be expecting her to and yet here we are]
Ronnie: did whitney ask you to pass it on to us cos hes still disappointed like
Joe: couldn’t say
Joe: just letting you know that you’ll have a free gaff for a while longer
Ronnie: where have i chucked the other one for the sake of this free gaff in your mind mckenna
Joe: alright, free rooms better than fuck all
Ronnie: its his emmy oggie i aint there either
Joe: anywhere good?
Ronnie: compared to what
Joe: established it’s no brag compared to tonight
Ronnie: not gonna stop you comparing me & her
Joe: compare to what?
Joe: pleasantries over cocopops
Ronnie: youll be interested in eating her out now youve got what you wanted off me
Ronnie: 9 is easier to carve than an 8 and you wont look like youre trying to copy the infinity sign one of your other exes wouldve got inked on her
Joe: it’s not remotely the fucking same
Joe: if I was arsed about getting my numbers up there’s millions of girls in this city I could hit up before you
Ronnie: yeah youre not related to any of em and theyd have less clue how to shoot up than you do
Joe: even if the related bit was ringing 100% true, you’re the only user in town now?
Joe: you don’t have to pervert it when it already was
Ronnie: youre already romanticising it like a fucking 13 year old so yeah i do cause one of us has to get real
Joe: you reckon I’m so okay with it just because I can admit I wanted it
Joe: who do you reckon you’re lying to like I weren’t there
Ronnie: who do you reckon youre talking to like i didnt fucking leave you there for a reason
Joe: Fuck off
Ronnie: i did
Joe: for someone who reckons they’re so open, you chat so much shit
Ronnie: open to what soft lad infection
Joe: scars and trackmarks on your sleeve
Ronnie: yeah
Joe: you didn’t miss much
Ronnie: no shit you didnt just invite me cause you wanted to fuck me
Ronnie: can do that anywhere
Joe: yeah and you didn’t just wanna come to make Soph cry, like
Ronnie: i owed you
Joe: get it off your to-do list then
Joe: well done
Ronnie: stop crying youll never look as ugly as horse girl doing it or go for as long as her
Joe: you love her, we all 👀
Ronnie: i said shut up
Joe: no, you say something that’s not stupid
Ronnie: what for fucks sake
Ronnie: what did you reckon id say when you started chatting shit like nothing happened
Joe: alright, I don’t know
Joe: it happened, right
Ronnie: you werent hallucinating
Joe: nothing that makes that happen in the bathroom cupboard
Joe: I don’t regret it, I know that
Ronnie: meant to be made up to hear it am i
Joe: nah, probably not
Joe: but you wanted me to talk about it so I am
Ronnie: i wanted you to take the fucking hint when i legged it as soon as
Joe: you could’ve blocked me, so
Joe: pardon me for not taking it that seriously
Ronnie: not your crazy ex & i couldnt deny you your bullshit heroics
Ronnie: mary aint carrying me anywhere and i know how bad you wanna see me turn blue
Joe: you like having a stalker, is what you mean
Ronnie: block me and get your whore flatmate to tell you what she likes about you
Ronnie: weve established i aint got the talent to sing no cunts praises
Joe: we’ve established I’m not interested in that
Ronnie: cause you want me to tell you how smart you are at fucking me instead of beat the shit out of you
Ronnie: it wont last
Joe: familys forever, sis
Ronnie: not to your ma baby
Ronnie: did i look enough like her for you
Joe: what do you reckon
Joe: your theory, not mine
Ronnie: mustve youve still not fucked off
Joe: you’ve got room for another face tat or two
Ronnie: go do that then
Joe: you can leave out the yes sir
Joe: not my fantasy
Ronnie: no shit like youve been my bitch since you hit send on facebook
Joe: 😂
Joe: I’ve been worse
Ronnie: you trying to turn me on or what its a bit late for it
Joe: just the once, alright
Joe: bit cliche but probably for the best considering
Joe: very sensible of you
Ronnie: cliche that my da didnt stick around long enough for his side of the family to properly cut or sew me up so ive gotta regret not getting chance to put a razor blade inside me before you 💔
Ronnie: now youre gonna reckon i care youve said the once ll do when i just hate you & hate how you fuck even more
Joe: Could’ve said it was about as much fun as
Joe: it’s alright
Joe: both confused, clearly
Ronnie: youre not confused youre fucking smug
Joe: hardly another achievement for the fridge door
Joe: what’s to be smug about
Ronnie: probably for the best i dont answer that if thats how you feel
Joe: come on
Joe: aside from proving you were full of shit about not wanting to as well
Ronnie: fuck you
Joe: you don’t want me to say how I really feel
Ronnie: making me cum earlier dont mean you know what i want now
Joe: right, you want me to declare my love so you get more out of telling me to fuck off, that’s more like it
Ronnie: do i fuck
Joe: then what do you want
Ronnie: like you give the slightest shit
Joe: I do too
Ronnie: no you dont
Joe: I fucking do
Joe: [prove it in a way only y’all would, carve her name or something]
Ronnie: [send him your own pics of the bite marks you’re covered in which is a self harming thing you’ve not done since you were a kid because it’s been a headfuck every second since you two met and we’re not coping honey]
Joe: you hungry?
Joe: you didn’t eat fuck all, I mean
Joe: could get something not dubiously prepared by Soph
Ronnie: hungry as you are funny
Joe: I weren’t trying to be
Joe: on the spectrum, or whatever you said
Ronnie: you wish you had the excuse or the musical prodigy status
Joe: 💔 about that genuinely
Joe: just a dickhead
Ronnie: yeah
Joe: I don’t know what to say
Joe: there’s no point saying I’m sorry
Ronnie: no point is right youre not sorry
Joe: nah
Joe: it’d be lovely for you if I’d found you and you were fine
Joe: but like you said, it ain’t about me or her, it’s about loads of shit and you clearly weren’t so
Joe: just seems pointless
Ronnie: im made up you finally got your head round it
Joe: Yeah well, I didn’t tell you I was a good person
Joe: don’t mean I don’t give no fucks, just ‘cos I ain’t trying to save you
Ronnie: you keep telling me you aint like it matters to me who you are
Joe: yeah, it doesn’t in why you’re fucked
Joe: but what do you want from me
Ronnie: its your fucking fault im like this climbing the walls same as when i was a kid
Joe: yeah ‘cos you were doing really great before weren’t ya
Ronnie: all you give a fuck about is letting yourself off the fucking hook
Joe: Blame me then what does it change
Joe: do something about it other than fucking yourself up, I don’t care
Ronnie: stop lying that youre bothered if your only answer to me losing my mind is that i was before
Joe: I can’t help you
Joe: If you thought I could, though why the fuck you would
Joe: then I am sorry
Ronnie: 💔🖕
Joe: I’ve got my own problems
Joe: if I had any solutions, I’d light ‘em up and shoot them into myself first, naturally
Ronnie: youve got a solution i gave it to you
Ronnie: why the fuck would you make me feel something
Joe: Selfishness
Joe: pure and simple
Ronnie: on your way to a grown up habit im dead proud
Joe: what more could I want
Ronnie: that to scab over seeing as youve finally admitted its bullshit
Joe: I still think about you constantly
Joe: I still want to know everything about you
Joe: I’d rot with you
Ronnie: youve got your own problems to think about
Joe: yeah, and that’s hell
Joe: I’ve done plenty of that
Ronnie: yeah and youve got your escape
Joe: take yours
Joe: can have plan bs and cs even if a is the best
Ronnie: youre the kid who tells the rest to jump off a bridge
Ronnie: cute
Joe: you’re implying I wouldn’t and all
Ronnie: i dont give a shit what you do but i aint giving you the satisfaction of being the last fuck i ever had
Ronnie: youd cling to life long enough to write a pathetic song about it
Joe: that’s the nicest thing you’ve said
Joe: which is saying something ‘cos you’re so sweet, like
Ronnie: youre welcome
Joe: I’ll do a Dylan style ballad about all your 👼🏼 deeds
Ronnie: thats the biggest turn off out of everything youve ever said or done
Joe: thank god, you’re insatiable 😏
Ronnie: once you said
Joe: not for my benefit
Ronnie: its all only for your benefit remember
Joe: if that were true you’d still be here
Ronnie: if it was true i could be
Joe: come back
Ronnie: cant ive got a face tat to get done
Joe: I understand
Joe: my art isn’t there yet
Joe: won’t ruin your beauty
Ronnie: go ed and chuck yourself off a bridge you dont have to wait for me to boot your door in & do you in for chatting shit
Joe: well I am already devvo I’m not a prodigy so yeah, add lack of a steady hand to the list of failures
Joe: probably the meds
Joe: you know being poetic is all I do, why have we downgraded it to chatting shit 💔
Ronnie: why are you calling me beautiful when you could write it in your suicide note for your ma theres your downgrade
Joe: you’re too romantic for your own good
Joe: I wouldn’t be writing a note, sorry to dash your illusions
Ronnie: not me saying i get you mckenna thats your delusion
Ronnie: what are you gonna draw on me then
Joe: you do but it’s more fun to take the piss and pretend you don’t so
Joe: That is the question
Joe: won’t brand you, don’t worry
Ronnie: if i dont want it ill cut it out no pressure
Joe: it’s just skin right
Ronnie: yeah
Joe: how olds your oldest scar
Ronnie: older than you
Joe: what did you do
Ronnie: i used to take headbanging literally
Joe: ah, the floor never saw you coming, yeah
Joe: I have a head scar too [cos he either does or did on the stalker show idk but there we go with a photo like she probably knows hun]
Ronnie: [I just imagine her smiling to herself like yeah I know nerd]
Ronnie: cant both be poets had to express myself somehow before i pushed a safety pin through my cheek
Joe: that explains the permanent 😾
Joe: fucked the muscles, like
Ronnie: your shit jokes do
Joe: it was always easier to just start fights to get hurt
Joe: when I was a kid
Joe: though you work out ways to be sneaky fast, if you have to
Ronnie: they didnt wanna fight me
Joe: everyday sexism strikes again
Ronnie: fuck off not cos im a girl
Joe: why then
Ronnie: wouldnt be me getting hurt and if i was i didnt care
Ronnie: all those mental problems you told that call centre cunt about like
Joe: ‘course you were too proud to make it count
Joe: have to let them get some punches in or there was no point, yeah
Ronnie: no point in fitz flouncing in either fun though
Joe: true
Joe: I’ve got a brother and all, I remember what it’s like
Ronnie: scraps never went far enough
Joe: yeah
Joe: most kids aren’t that psycho
Ronnie: 💔
Joe: being misunderstood served me so well for the whole musician thing so whatever, I guess
Ronnie: i mightve bothered keeping some of my bastards about if they were guaranteed nutters thatd serve you well
Joe: you’d get your own room then, like
Joe: even if you had to pack them to the rafters
Ronnie: for a stalker youre dead concerned about my privacy
Joe: nah, ‘course not
Joe: I’d rather have a place to do the gear without the possibility of Soph or Charlie 🥺ing at us obvs, nothing but selfishness
Ronnie: theres loads of places
Joe: you can show me
Ronnie: is she there now she can let me in
Joe: no idea
Joe: their room is near the door, makes sense they’d be your first victims
Ronnie: youre too selfish to get off your arse and do it
Joe: if you’re coming I’ll carry you in myself, you know that
Ronnie: ill be there and youll still be going on about what youre gonna do
Ronnie: no wonder the other kids kept smacking you
Joe: yeah, all mouth me, deffo what I was known for
Joe: not a euphemism and I don’t think they were wishing it was but who knows
Ronnie: you sure you dont want charlie giving you the eye
Ronnie: how it sounds
Joe: I’m alright, tah
Joe: pretty sure he’s over it now I’m enabling you
Ronnie: hes over everything thats not horse girls from kent but reckons the fucking lost causes are us
Joe: He clearly just gives a shit about appearances
Joe: looking nice, polite
Joe: they’ll never speak again, like
Ronnie: forget him
Ronnie: open the door
Joe: [do that boy]
Ronnie: [boop his little head scar as you come in like oh there it is]
Joe: [‘s’not even a good story’ and producing some takeaway moment from the kitchen as you go through ‘cos the dinner party was not heavy on the dinner bit]
Ronnie: [a look like ffs because people caring in any way ew no but we are gonna eat it because probably haven't since that Margate moment]
Joe: [shrugging like bitch I’m hungry as we tuck in, obviously]
Ronnie: [kick him while you've still got your big boots on but playfully not aggressively]
Joe: [😏 but in a more genuine way than that cocky face looks, I am vibing Chinese not that that matters but there we go]
Ronnie: [weirdly I also thought that maybe because it's one of the grossest haha but yeah eat your food lads]
Joe: [greasy greasy goodness, love the subtle shade if any of them come out for a cuppa or whatever like oh hello again lol]
Ronnie: [I hope it's oblivious Marc just living his life]
Joe: [that’d be most amusing, unbothered, casually]
Ronnie: [I just imagine them doing stuff to try and make him notice like when people stack stuff on a sleeping person but idk what you could do in that little kitchen]
Joe: [for sure, just being subtly annoying/weird and he is just like does not compute ‘cos we mind our own business, so childish]
Ronnie: [love that for you two]
Joe: [we stan the regression for you]
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