Episode 42 Transcript: Hey, What’s a Fella to Do?
[intro guitar music]
G: Hello, my name is Grey.
C: And my name is Crystal.
G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, the Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times–
C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.
G: Both Asian! For today's episode. [laughs] Holy shit! I still have not–
C: What?
G: I still don't know the–
C: Watched it?
G: No!
C: [laughs] Oh, okay!
G: I have, in fact, watched the episodes we're about to discuss. I just don't know who the writers are. Let me see.
C: Raelle Tucker, which you can tell, because she uses herself in the “Then” sequence. And then near the end, Sam's attitudes about hunting directly mirror the ones that she put on him in “Hunted” that didn't make any goddamn sense.
G: Today, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 20: “What Is and What Should Never Be” written by, as Crystal said, Raelle Tucker, directed by– [laughs]
C: Boooooo!
G: Mr. Eric Kripke himself! Yeah, babygirl.
C: I–did he direct–what? Okay, I'm going to look at what he has directed before. I want to know why he thought this episode was so special that he directed–
G: He has not. This is–this is his first episode that he directed–
C: Oh my god.
G: And, allegedly–
C: He was like, “Dean is such a babygirl that I simply must” [G laughs] –allegedly what?
G: Well, allegedly they had, like, to draw lots or something for what episode they're going to direct, and he ended up–or like, he chose episode 20, but at the time he didn't know that episode 20 was gonna be this. So this is not like a matter of–
C: So he thought it would be plot and not a deviation.
G: Yeah. Okay, here's the thing. We usually reserve our full thoughts of the episode at the end. But I feel like this episode deserves a pre-thought–like a pre-episode thought discussion, so–
C: Okay.
G: Let's–let's talk about my thoughts of this episode.
C: Yes.
G: I have a love-hate relationship with this episode.
C: Uh-huh.
G: I hate it because [laughs] it's so unrelated to what's happening in season two.
C: Yeah.
G: And I feel like if I just watched it by itself, I would have enjoyed it a lot more, but because we're watching it in chronological order, it falls flat, like it physically–like, it actually angers me that it's here–
C: Yeah.
G: Because it's so irrelevant. And like, next episode we're going to have a two-part finale, and this is the episode prior to that. Why?
C: ‘Cause season two is about Dean, and about how he doesn't want to kill Sam. That's what they've decided. They've decided that Sam doesn't matter.
G: Yeah. And it's so evident in this episode that they really do not give a fuck about that guy. Like that guy can–that guy barely exists in their head.
C: Aw. Sorry, Sam.
G: I would say I like the episode apart from that, though, because of–because the heart of the show and the heart of this episode is family, and that's why I like it, you know? And this- because this episode is so family-centered. I did shed some tears in like certain scenes–
C: Oh, for real?
G: Yes, for real. And yeah, like, it's good as a solo episode. I think, like, when you think about this one, you should think about it as separate from the season. Because if you don't, it sucks.
C: Yeah, I feel like it would work better as a season one or season three episode.
G: Like we said last time, season three is the prime time for this episode to be happening.
C: Yeah. The djinn’s argument that Dean should stay is a lot stronger in season three, because it's like, he's gonna die in six months, anyway.
G: I hate this episode, but I love it. I can't help it! [both laughing]
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G: Okay, before going in what did you know about this one?
C: Right. So I knew that the monster in it would be a djinn, and that Dean gets put in some dream world where his mom didn't die, but John did, hell yeah, uh, and that he has a girlfriend there named Carmen, who he finds out later is in a beer ad. Okay, I feel like I just know everything in this episode, actually.
G: Yeah, just everything.
C: Yeah.
G: Because it's a very, very prominent, very in the culture of SPN episode.
C: It’s considered a Dean thesis.
G: Yeah, it is considered that. God, can you believe the last three episodes are like this before the finale where we're supposed to care deeply about Sam?
C: Right, I just, “Hollywood Babylon,” ”Folsom Prison Blues,” “What Is and What Should Never Be,” like, Sam is not a character in any of these. Like, he's actually, I feel like he's made to be somewhat unlikable in all of them, actually. I don’t know, it’s the lead up to him being, like, put into the Hunger Games, and the whole thing is like, “Dean is such a silly fun little guy who doesn't want to hunt anymore and Sam’s just a judgmental bitch.” [both laugh] Like, that’s not the correct lead up to the finale.
G: Yeah. Okay, let’s start–so the “Road So Far” in this episode’s pretty good. I like it.
C: Eh.
G: I–okay. I'll take that as “It's not,” and–okay, fine. [both laughing]
C: No further debate, I agree. [G laughs]
G: I do not feel strongly enough to fight for my fucking life for the “Road So Far” of this episode.
C: I just think it's silly that they basically replayed the entire pilot beginning scene, like, we know that Mary died of a fire, like, you say it a lot.
G: I mean, maybe the reason why I like it is because it's different. It's not like, “Dad wants us to pick up where he left off [C laughs], saving people–” like, it's not that. So.
C: So we open on a license plate that says CNK80Q3.
G: Aw, they changed it!
C: And it’s Baby, but they changed her name because of the cops being after them, I suppose. It only took them like, twenty encounters for them to consider it.
G: By, KAZ. That's the–that's the Impala’s old name. You are now ceenick.
C: Welcome, conk. [G laughs]
So yeah, Dean gets a call, and Sam's in a motel room, and he's worried about a cop car outside, but it eventually drives away, so it was a false alarm. Sam's not happy about being a fugitive, but Dean says, “Hey, man, chicks dig the danger vibe.” Kay. Uh and Sam's reading a lot of book about djinns, which, speaking of, are not portrayed accurately in this Supernatural episode, and we have several facts about them from Bee, aka angelhannah on the Tumblr, that we will sprinkle throughout when they become relevant. Thank you Bee for that work. Um, right, and he asks Dean about a case that they're working where there were a lot of missing victims, and Sam’s pretty sure that they're hunting a djinn, and Dean seems to know nothing about them. He's like, “What, a genie? Do they grant wishes?” [G laughs]
G: Yeah, I mean, I guess they've never encountered them at this point
C: Yeah, but somehow he knows about the “silver knife dipped in lamb's blood” part, which seems like–
G: Yeah.
C: Something that you'd need a lot of prior background knowledge on, at least in the world of Supernatural where that's how you defeat a djinn. Mmm. Who knows? I guess Sam wouldn't let him hang up without having that information via text at some point. Yeah, so he says that they're powerful enough, and he says “they're not exactly like Barbara Eden in harem pants”? Uh, which I guess is something that happened in a movie somewhere.
G: [laughing] That sounds bad, so we're–let's just not get into it.
C: Yeah. Um, right.
G: Unless you want to.
C: No, yeah. And he says that djinn have been feeding off people for centuries, and that they're all over the Quran, uh, which is true. But you'd think that if he read that source, then he would know that the lamb's blood knife doesn't actually work. So–and Dean, for some reason is just like, “Oh my God! Barbara Eden was so hot!” Like, it’s been thirty seconds of Dean on screen, and so far he's talked about wanting to fuck women twice. Like, is there a–like a writing reason for this? Or is that just Dean?
G: Okay, here's the thing. Uh, wait, to answer your question, like, “Is there a writing reason for this?” I don't fucking know. [laughs] But, uh, this entire episode, it just reeks of misogyny.
C: Yeah.
G: It's like–
C: It's so funny near the end when like, djinn Sam is like, “Please don't go, Dean!” And then a girlband manifests from around him. [both laughing]
G: No, it’s just, it's so evident that Supernatural really does see women as solely like, mothers, and like, wives and girlfriends, you know, like, these women don't have inner lives.
C: Yeah.
G: They're just here, and I get that, like, it's like, complicated in that this is like, the dream world of a misogynistic man.
C: Right, it’s just Dean–
G: Right, so it’s like, misogynistic for that reason. But you can argue the same about Supernatural, especially up until this point of the show that, like, a lot of the women that they–that show up on screen really just only serve that–as that purpose. As love interests, or as fucking baby incubators. You know, it's just–Jesus, man.
C: Yep. Yeah. Also, we have to remember that this was written by Raelle Tucker, one of the creators of the Andreaverse. [G laughs]
G: Andreaverse is still the funniest thing that we’ve developed in this podcast. Literally the amount of women in the Andrea Supernaturall verse is astounding.
C: Yeah, good for all of them. Or not. Yeah, um, Sam says that djinns usually live in ruins, where they hide out, uh, and Dean says, “Okay, I found a place, and I'll go check it out.” And Sam goes, “Wait, wait, come pick me up first!” And Dean’s like, “No.” [laughs] And that’s this entire season. Yeah, and he says, “I’m sure it's nothing. I just want to take a look around.” Which is, like, more callous than Dean usually is about cases with potentially dangerous creatures, right?
G: Well, he did go down into that fucking–like, when he's alone, he's stupid as shit for some reason. [C laughs] Like, remember that time in “Scarecrow” where he just went down into the haunted, uh, thing without any weapons or whatever?
C: Oh my god. Yeah.
G: And you were like, “Why does he not have any weapons?” And it's like well, because he's stupid as fuck, that’s why. [C laughs]
C: So true. I was gonna try to make a theory that something in him subconsciously was like, “I want a wish granted, and I don't want Sam there for it.” But you're right. He's just stupid, actually. [both laugh]
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C: He shows up to some factory, and he goes through, it's abandoned, and he's looking around, it's dark and stuff, and then suddenly, [laughing] this bald white guy with face tattoos shows up. Oh my god. Yeah, um, so, right. Bee has told us that djinns can't actually be seen, you only see a vision of them that they create, and it's usually a person that you know, not a bald white guy with face tattoos.
G: Yeah. I feel like that's such a missed opportunity on Supernatural behalf.
C: Yeah. Like, it could literally be Mary right now, you guys.
G: I–imagine, like, this episode, but instead of stabbing himself, Dean has to stab Mary.
C: Yes!
G: Why, why, why didn't he do that? Why did he not have to kill his mother that he wished to come alive to kill the djinn? Yeah.
C: Right? Like, we already know that Dean is suicidal, like, been there done that, make him kill Mary. [both laugh]
G: Make him kill his own mother.
C: Yep. And they could also possess someone or something, uh, and basically they live in a realm that we can't see, because their true forms can drive a man mad. Neat.
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C: So–right. So this guy shows up, and he like, attacks Dean, and then his hand starts glowing blue in the jankiest special effect I've ever seen, and his eyes glow, and he puts his hand on Dean's forehead, and Dean passes out, and we get our splash screen
G: Actually, I read in the Wiki that the–the blue flame in their hand is a reference to the fact that, like, according to the lore, like, djinns, are made from–
C: Oh, from fire.
G: From, like, from–yeah, like from fire. From smokeless fire, I think is the term that they used in the Wiki. So, [laughs] at least they were trying to do something.
C: Yeah.
G: So Dean wakes up, and he's hashtag shirtless in a hashtag house, in a hashtag bed–why am I doing this?
C: Also, the necklace that he’s wearing isn’t the Samulet.
G: It’s different. It’s not the Samulet. Yeah.
C: Right. So he just wears a necklace. Like, he bought one, and he wore it because he's our special jewelry boy. Uh, and also, he wasn't on top, or else it would have swung and hit Carmen in the face. Just a thought. [G laughing]
G: Um, sure, yeah.
C: I mean, you can’t wear necklaces in bed if you’re on top, like, it will hit people in the face,
G: I mean, I've never had occasion to wear a necklace while on top, but I will believe you.
C: I’ve talked to friends who wanted to keep their jewelry on in bed and couldn't because it kept swinging and hitting their partner in the face. [G laughs]
G: Uh, anyway, he wakes up, and there's a woman, and of course we get a shot of her legs as it pans up her body.
C: Yeah. And she’s naked.
G: Because this is Supernatural, in case you forgot. And so Dean is like, “Okay, what is happening?” So he gets up, and he's wearing a Henley. OMG! Okay [laughs], he's wearing a Henley this episode and I feel like this is really the first time that at least I have noticed Dean wearing a Henley, and in my head, this is like, the Dean look, you know, and I know, like, most people probably say it's the leather jacket, or like a flannel, the red one from when he was a demon, or like, the bisexual one [laughs] that the people–that don’t want to be–the purple one or something.
C: It’s such a stretch. It’s barely purple, you guys, I’m sorry. [G laughing]
G: Well, I support people who call it the bisexual shirt.
C: Mm.
G: But, for me, the Dean look is the Henley, and–I am miserable because whenever I look up “Henley,” like, on stores here in the Philippines, like, nothing shows up, people–people don't call anything “Henley” here, and I have never found it in like, a department store or anything. So I still don't have one, which is very misery-inducing.
C: Yeah.
G: But one day I will, and I will be like, “OMG, I'm just like Dean Winchester for real.” [laughing]
C: So true.
G: So true.
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C: Let's talk about his interior design in this home that he supposedly lives in. First off, he has a TV in his bedroom, right? But it's–isn’t– it's on the side wall, like, on his side of the bed, so he literally bought a TV to put in his room that only he can watch.
G: Oh my god, you're right. You're right. [laughs]
C: Sick, sick in the head.
C: Also, in the kitchen we see that he has a guitar.
G: Aww.
C: I'm going to say that Carmen plays it, though.
G: Dean canonically knows how to play the guitar.
C: Oh, really, from when?
G: Yeah.
C: From the karaoke episode, or–
G: No, from “Bad Boys.”
C: Is that the one where he gets sent to the boy’s home for–
G: Yeah.
C: For shoplifting because John’s the worst man alive?
G: Yeah, it’s that one. I think he plays the guitar there with his gf Robin.
C: Aww, yeah, okay–
G: So cute.
C: The thing is, I don't think I could take any Dean doing music seriously, because now I'm just like, “That's just Jackles trying to promote Radio Company.” [G laughs]
G: Okay, not to bash Radio Company, but like, why is it called Radio Company?
C: Yeah.
G: I literally–that's such a bad name, right?
C: I agree.
G: Radio Company. “What's the name of your music label?” “Radio Company.” “So is it called Radio–” “No no no no, it's called Radio Company.” “So, the Radio Company–”
C: Also, that song that everyone's, like, all, like, gaga over, cause, like, it–
G: “You were watching over me.” That one.
C: Yeah, the lyrics are so generic, and the song is so boring [G laughs], and like–sorry if this is about someone who died in your life, like, genuinely, like, if that's your way of expressing it, then, like, good for you. But, like, we don't need to care about it, like, that's for you. Like, I don't care about it. Because it's not good.
G: No, wait, I’m looking up the lyrics–Radio Company–
C: “Lay it on, it on, it on, it on, [both laughing] now that I can see, now that I can see, couldn’t bear to talk, to talk, to talk, without the will to breathe, without the will to breathe.”
G: We’re so mean, we're so mean. I'm going to cut off half of this because it's so mean. But yeah, yeah. [C laughs]
I've listened to a bit of Radio Company because we've had mutuals–oh, we still have them–we have mutuals who are like, “Oh, but the songs are actually decent, like, the songs are actually good, like you should give them a shot,” and I was like, “Okay, I'll give it a shot,” and I was sorely disappointed. I think I've said this before, either in an outtake or over here, but like, I feel like Radio Company songs try so hard to be deep, and then I read the lyrics, and they're just completely fucking incomprehensible. [both laugh] And like–
C: Maybe that's because Jensen Ackles is too smart for you, Grey. [G laughs]
G: Yeah, exactly. That must be the reason why. [C laughs] I am way too stupid for Radio Company's caliber of songwriting.
C: Exactly.
G: Anyway. Uh, Dean walks around and he calls Sam.
C: Yeah, okay, did you see what was on Sam’s fucking phone?
G: Yes! [C screams] I took a picture!
C: I did too!
G: I'm going to recite it.
C: You read it.
G: So, Sam Winchester, texting Christopher Cooper. Here goes. “Hey, dude, dot dot dot dot [both laugh], how are you doing, man? I'm doing pretty darn good [C screaming]- I’m doing pretty darn good myself. I've been meaning to sit down and write you, but I've been so darn [C scream-laughing] busy. I’ve been [laughing] meaning to call, too. But hey, what's a fella to do?” [C screaming]
G: I–I'm in love with this. I genuinely–
C: Yeah.
G: Why does he talk like this?
C: [laughing] Need me some dick from a man who types like this.
G: First of all, they can say “damn” in Supernatural.
C: Yeah. So Sam just doesn’t.
G: Sam’s just like, “I'm texting my highbrow friend, who definitely one hundred percent does not curse,” and–
C: Right, and I’m sure lawyers curse all the time in the office. I mean, have you seen Suits? Not [laughs]–I haven’t either, but I’m sure they curse in there.
G: I mean, have you seen Better Call Saul? I haven’t either, [both laugh] but I'm sure they also curse there.
C: Have you seen this like, Extraordinary Attorney Woo?
G: Whoo! They don’t curse-
C: They don't curse in there, but, you know, I’m sure they do actually. [laughs]
G: Yeah, have you played Ace Attorney: Investigations: 2? [C laughs] It's the best game in the franchise, and they don't curse there, but he isn't a lawyer for half of it. So that's the reason why.
C: God also, god, are we–okay, so we’re assuming this is like, a fellow Stanford friend that we haven't met yet?
G: Yeah.
C: Okay, I think that he's an ex and that's why Sam is typing like this. [G laughs] Like, “Oh my god, yeah, like, I had so much fun that night ten years ago. Sorry for not calling back for the whole time. I’ve just been so darn busy! By the way, I'm engaged now, so stop texting me.” [laughs]
G: Exactly.
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G: Yeah, but Sam picks up. And at this point, we're still not aware that Dean is in a dream world where the Sam is different. So Sam picks up, and you think he's gonna respond about the case or something. But Dean says like, some things about the case, and Sam doesn't know, and he says, “Quit playing, the djinn, the djinn got to me,” and Sam is like, “What, you've been drinking gin?” Which is the beginning of a running thing in this episode where everyone assumes Dean is drunk all the time, implying that he has a history of drinking in this universe, and is quite possibly an alcoholic.
C: Yeah. Hmm.
G: Sad. This is like–when, when Sam called, this is when I was like, “Okay, I think I'm gonna end up crying this episode.” [laughs]
C: Awww.
G: Because um, I mean, there's a scene later where we can get- we can really get into it. But just the whole thing of like, having a sibling that you're not close with is a very sad idea for me, and they really fucking hammer it in this episode, like, Sam and Dean do not get along, and as we will see later, I think Sam kind of actively hates the guy. [laughs]
C: Yeah.
G: And, uh, yeah, it's sad. And it made me really emotional, like, watching this episode because of that. And also the Mary stuff.
C: Mm.
G: Anyway, uh, Sam is insisting that Dean is drunk dialing him, and Dean is like, “Ugh, whatever.” Sam hangs up and he closes the book he's reading that you think it's about lore, and it’s…
C: Criminal Law and Procedure! Go lawboy go.
G: Hell yeah, go lawboy go. At this point, he’s in law school already, right?
C: Uh, yeah, well–right, right. Because right now he’d be like, twenty-four? So yeah, I guess he'd still be in grad school. Awww, he’s so young! He’s a little baby! Okay. [laughs] Anyway.
So right, Dean investigates the room a bit. He sees that there's a lot of mail in the house, some of which is addressed to Carmen Porter at 53 Bark Avenue in Lawrence, Kansas. And some mail that's addressed to Dean here, and Dean's confused about it being Lawrence and about him supposedly living here. And Carmen wakes up, and just does the typical girlfriend thing where she's like, "Honey, what are you doing up? Oh, you can't sleep? Well, why don't you come back to bed and let's see if I can do anything to help." Ugh! Ugh, like, has anyone-
G: So fucking-
C: - said any of these words in this order, like in real life?
G: I mean, I'm sure it has happened. But [both laughing] the way that Supernatural portrays it is so funny. God! I can stop thinking- while watching this episode- I tried to watch Breaking Bad. I think I've mentioned this in the podcast before. I tried to watch Breaking Bad, and it did not work out. So me and Breaking Bad has broken up.
C: Yeah.
G: But like, in the very first episode of that show, it's Walter White's birthday, and like, when they come bed, the woman who's typing on her laptop or something just starts fucking jacking him off. [C laughs] And he's like, "What's the occasion?" And she's like, "Well, it's your birthday." This is the vibe. Like- [laughs] it's just so funny to me, because it's like, this is pretty much that scene, but in Supernatural they were like, "But it's sexy." [both laughing] Like-
C: God, like take a sleeping pill, Dean! Like- [laughs] Ah, so good. And by that, I mean it's so bad. [G laughs] Like, this is Dean's brain. This is what he thinks married life is, or like long-term relationship life is, right? It's just sex on tap and no personality from the woman.
G: It does make me sad that, like, I think the reason is- because this woman could have been anyone. This woman could have been [both] Cassie. Or Lisa, or, you know, literally anyone. But like, the reason why it's not those people is because Dean only met them through hunting.
C: Yeah.
G: So he couldn't have met them here.
C: But honestly, like, I don't think Sam would have gone to Stanford specifically if it weren't for hunting and him wanting to get as far away from his family as possible, you know? Like, Dean could have still met Cassie in this universe in some way.
G: Yeah, perhaps so. But-
C: Yeah, I get why they didn't make her Cassie. Besides, then they would have had to give her a personality.
G: Yeah, also, like, I don't like the idea of them playing with Cassie's character any more than in “Route 666.” Because, like, if they put her here, she's gonna have to be like, "Oh, Dean, why don't we have sex so you can sleep?" [C laughs] Like, I don't want her to go through that.
C: Yeah.
G: Even if it's a dream world, I don't want her to be depersonalized and decharacterized like that. So.
C: So- Right, also, I guess, because part of the point of this is that, like- Oh! No, they should have fucking shown this. Because the point is like, "Oh, we couldn't save the people that we saved through hunting, so they all died." Cassie would have died from the truck.
G: Oh my god. Yeah.
C: But they didn't show Dean reading an article about her dying. I feel like that would've been way more impactful than the other cases that he reads about.
G: Yeah. Because, like, "Here's a love in my life that's not real, like that I didn't develop or experience firsthand. It's just been laid on my lap. And here's a love that I actually did experience, and it was real, and it was complex, and it was bitter sweet. But it was real." And like, that would have been a nice contrast.
C: Yeah, and she died! Oh, god.
So Dean says, "Yeah, in a minute. But you go ahead." Which I know he's just replying to the "come back to bed" part, but it really sounds like "You go back to bed and wait an hour before like, you give me your handjob so I can fall asleep. [both laugh] Like, stay up for an hour before you provide this service for me on my time." Mr. Put the TV on the Side Wall on His Side of the Bed.
So yeah. So she kisses him, and Dean makes a face during that. I guess it's a surprised face.
G: Yeah.
C: Yeah. So he looks around at the photos in the house, and there is one of Carmen alone, and then some of him and her together. And then he turns it around, and like, you see something in his face change, and he's doing his whole like, [G mimics a gasp] shock and lip wobble shit. And he walks slowly to this photo that we can't see, and he like, picks it up, and he looks at it with his sad, large eyes, his anime boy eyes, and then he drops it, and he leaves the room.
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G: Yeah.
And then we see that he's driving, and he still has Baby in this universe, so that's fun.
C: Yeah.
G: I don't know how that would have worked out because he went back in time to tell John to get the car, but he only could have gotten back in time if he did the thing, the hunting.
C: Yeah, I mean, I guess they weren't thinking up to season five at this point. [G laughs] But yeah. Cinemasins ding indeed.
G: Yeah. [laughs] I literally did not consider that they were not thinking up to season 5 at this point. [laughs] I was like, "There's a plothole here. I wonder why they didn't notice." And it's like, "Oh, yeah, because we're in fucking season 2." [C laughs]
But yeah, he still has Baby. He drives up to this address, and it's a familiar house. Is it? Yeah, yeah, it's the house from the pilot.
C: I can't tell, but I guess so.
G: But yeah, I guess it's familiar to him. He knocks, and he knocks quite like loudly and stuff. And the lights turn on, and out comes... [both] Mary! Dean goes, "Mom?" And I think they made this shot similar to the shot of Mary coming back in season 11 because, like, I mean, at least the thing that Dean says. Because I think in season 11, Mary comes out of a house or is like standing in a field or something. I don't know. But like, it like, zooms in on Dean's face as he goes, "Mom?" and that's the- it's the same shot here. And like, I don't know if it's on purpose, but like, it's probably something that just happened to look similar, but yeah, like it reminded me of that, and I'm like, "Omg, she's gonna be back for real." And honestly, okay, tangent. But bringing Mary back for season 12 is like, one of the best things Supernatural ever did-
C: Agreed.
G: - and I am so excited for us to get there in [laughs] a couple of years.
C: [laughs] Yeah.
G: In like, fucking five years or so. I'm so excited.
C: Right. Once you're in law school.
G: [laughing] Once I'm literally in fucking law school and studying to be a lawyer and like, I'm still sitting here recording my Supernatural podcast. So true of us.
C: Yeah, right. Also, speaking of season 12, like, if this is how Dean thinks that Mary would act like, [laughing] no wonder he's such a misogynistic jerk to her when she gets back.
G: No, exactly, that's-
C: "Mom, you are not making me a sandwich right now. Something feels off." [laughs]
G: That's exactly what I was going for, I just forgot to say it. [laughs] That's why I brought up Mary in season 12. But like, the contrast between Mary here, the Mary in Dean's imagination, and the Mary that we actually get when she does come back, like, that's why it's so good. That's why Mary coming back was so good. And I actually feel like that is such a meaningful arc for everyone involved, and Mary being killed in season 14 [C groans] for shock value- Yeah, it's not good. [laughs] They rui- I mean, I understand that, like, at some point they had to be like, "Everyone is gonna die." But like, they did it in season 15, right? So like, why did they have to push Mary's death back this far? And [laughing], god, they were like, "But she's happy in Heaven, so it's fine if she's dead." [both laughing] Like, it's genuinely the funniest shit.
C: It really is. I'm so sad Mary didn't make it to season fifteen because she should have confronted Chuck.
G: Yeah. Like, if anyone here is a pawn piece, it's Mary. Like, she's really [laughs]- she's really the person that has been tossed around a lot and discarded and re-carded [C laughs]. Is that a word? Can you re-card after your discard? But it's just- yeah. Mary is a good character when we meet her, and what she represents-
C: Also, she could've met Eileen!
G: What?
C: In season 15. She could have met Eileen in season 15. Total tangent, but I would have liked to see it. Okay, back to you. [G laughs]
G: Back to me. I was saying that Mary, as a character, when we do finally meet her, is so good. Mary, as an idea, as we know her now, is also good. Like, not as a character, but what she represents in the show right now as like, this mother figure that's kind of just an idea. Like, she's not even a real person. Like, I'm not saying that it's a good thing [laughs] that they have a woman be represented in that way, I'm saying like, in a universe where they knew what they were doing and were like, "Okay, we're gonna do this, and it's gonna be a symbol of how we tend to idolize, and like deitify the dead people in our lives to the point that it can be used by John in this way as like, something to hover over the boys as like, 'You need to be courageous because Mary's watching over you!' stuff like that." That's a good concept. I'm still not too sure if they execute it well enough at this point, or I'm just blinded by the fact that Mary comes back, and I know what happens there. But I just- I really like Mary. And I'm excited for the episodes a little later on in the show where it focuses on her. Like, the ones that are flashback episodes.
C: Yeah.
G: Yeah, because... [trails off] Sorry, I just-
C: [laughing] Well, if you like Mary, there's a show coming up- [screams]
G: [laughing] Literally, the pause that I made when I was talking and I just stopped talking, that was because I remembered the prequel, and I started being like going. "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, aghhh." Like, this is such a misery.
C: God, like, such a misery!
G: That's not Mary.
C: That's not my girl.
G: That's not Mary.
C: It's not my girl.
C: It's not a girl.
G: We've been on this tangent for so long, but-
C: But it's her, so.
G: So Mary opens the door, right, and she greets Dean, and she looks like, you know, she's been woken up, she's wearing a robe and stuff. And Dean is like, "Mom?" And we start seeing Dean look like he's about to cry. And this is the most vulnerable we've seen Dean so far. And it does get to you, or at least it did get to me. Because it's- like, I feel like the last time we saw him this emotional was like when he was crying on the phone to John about how he's scared of going home. And now he is home, and Mary is here. And like, the idea of that makes me emotional, that this is the only thing that makes Dean this weak. The idea of home and the idea of Mary. And now he has it, and- He should have killed Mary at the end of this episode. [C laughs] Like, this is- I'm still not reiterating that. This is how this episode should have went. Raelle Tucker, hire me as your script supervisor. [C laughs]
G: Anyway, they come in, and apparently, Carmen called Mary that Dean just bolted.
Which is such a weird thing to do, right?
C: Yeah.
G: Like, first, okay, you're living with your husband/wife/partner, and they run off in the middle of the night. Do you call their mom? [C laughs] I feel like that's a weird choice.
C: Yeah, like she didn't even text him? Like, "Hey, where are you going?" No, straight to-
G: [laughing] "Should I call your mom?"
G: Yeah, anyway, Dean asks, like, "Let me ask you a question. What did you used to say to me when I was younger before bed?" And Mary is like, "Why?" And Dean's like, "Just answer the question, please?" And she says, "I would tell you that angels were watching over you." And Dean breaks, and he's like, "Fuck. It really is you." And he goes to hug her very tightly. Mary is like, "What is happening? You're kind of scaring me." But Dean, you know, stops hugging her, and he's like, "Oh, you're beautiful," and it's like- [C laughing] When he said "You're beautiful," I was like, "Crystal is not gonna like this line."
C: I mean, it makes sense given the context, but now that-
G: Imagine that- yeah, yeah.
C: - we're thinking about the season 5 episodes, with- what did he say?
G: Oh noo! Oh no.
C: "I'm going to hell, but Mom was kind of a babe"? [laughing]
G: Ahhh, I hate Supernatural so much it's unreal!
C: So much. Oh, god. Also, speaking of that episode- because the “angels are watching over you” thing, like, we're supposed to think that that's like subliminal from like, Mary's memory getting erased or something from when Anna came back. So I guess it's nice to think that she's still a hunter in this universe, she's just also chilling in her robe at home. [C laughs]
G: She's like, "I'm a hunter, and I know about the supernatural, but I'm just living my life."
C: Yeah, and I'm not gonna tell my kids about it.
G: Do you think- Okay, I was gonna post this question, and like, I think the answer is pretty obvious. But like, do you think it was wrong of John to hunt?
C: Yes.
G: Like, obviously yes for the circumstances, right. But if it was like, they're at home, and they have a life together, like Mary and him, and they have the boys, and he still went out hunting but didn't tell them. Do you think that would be wrong, still?
C: Hm. Like, but didn't- okay, well, I mean, I think that Bill Harvelle was fine for hunting when he had a family that didn't hunt.
G: Yeah, but-
C: But I feel like you do need to tell your spouse at least so that they're like aware of the risk of losing you and stuff.
G: I think the question I'm trying to post specifically is, once you know about the supernatural, is it your responsibility to save the people it can harm?
C: Dean asks this to John's grave.
G: Yeah, like Dean asks this, and the answer the show gives is, "Yes, it is your responsibility." But, like you. What do you think?
C: I think that you should probably do something, but that doesn't necessarily mean putting your life at risk. It can just mean like, warning other people, or like asking other people to look into things.
G: Yeah. Do you think the idea of a centralized hunting community is bad? Like, where like, everyone is aware of it?
C: Like everyone in the hunting community, or everyone in the world?
G: Everyone in the world.
C: I feel like everyone in the world should just know.
G: Yeah.
C: Like, why keep it from them?
G: Yeah, I guess so.
C: They're all like, "No one will believe us!" But like, if you tell enough people and get enough video evidence, like, eventually, they will. Especially because they're like, "No one will believe us ever!" And then, in every single episode like, anyone they help believes it by the end. Like, we've never had an episode where they're like, "What kind of drugs did you guys put me on? You didn't save my life." Or anything at the end. Like, everyone believes them at the end. [G laughs]
G: This so funny, but this reminds me of what happened in "Scoobynatural."
C: What happens in Scoo-
G: Have you watched?
C: No.
G: No, you have not. So in "Scoobynatural," the Scooby gang gets terrified that like, "Oh my god, the Supernatural is real!" And they're so freaked out. So Sam and Dean formulate this whole thing where it's like, "Oh, it's not actually a ghost. It's actually like a realtor or something. [C laughing] And ghosts don't actually exist." And they fucking gaslight the shit out of the Scooby gang [both laughing] to be like, "It's not real." And at some point, Sam is like, "You never believed it. You always questioned it in your mind, and you were right to question it because they don't exist." [C laughs] All I was thinking of was like, "This is so fucking funny that they're doing this to the fucking Scooby gang." [C laughs] But yes. I'm enamored by the opposite of that scenario where it's Sam and Dean are trying to convince people where now they're trying to convince people that ghosts are not real. God. "Scoobynatural" is such a fun episode. Except for the atrocities. [both laugh]
C: Except for the atrocities.
C: Ay-yi-yi. They really were like, "Let's just pick one teenage girl per Supernatural guy." Well, I guess Cas didn't get anyone because he's better than that. But yeah, they were like "Let's just pair up Sam and Dean with like, teenage Scooby Doo characters. And like, we'll give Sam the sapiosexual one 'cause she wears glasses, and we'll give Dean the one that everyone thinks is a brainless bimbo! Alright guys. Good work. Take five."
G: To be fair, they gave the weed-smoking guy to Cas. [both laugh]
C: Oh, so true. Yeah. The Scooby gang are teenagers, right? Like, that's like canon?
G: Yeah, they're high schoolers.
C: Mm. Yeah. So true of Shaggy to smoke weed in high school. That's what everyone should do.
G: Let's look up what age Shaggy is in the Scooby gang. 'Cause he looks like an old guy.
C: Yeah, but also, I don't know, some high school seniors look old. Like, they have like facial hair, at least. But yeah, no, okay, Shaggy's appearance is actually an anti-weed PSA. [both laugh] Don't smoke weed, kids. You're gonna look 40.
G: No, yeah, so him and Fred are 17, Daphne is 16, and Velma is 15. [laughs]
C: Oh my god, Sam, you- hm. Alright. Alright. K.
G: So yeah, I like "Scoobynatural" except for the atrocities. [laughs]
C: Yep.
G: Ugh.
C: [laughing] This episode is gonna be so long, and none of it will be about the episode!
G: [laughing] I told you I didn't want to talk about it! [both laughing]
Let's speed through the episode. Let's reshape our format into something faster in like, less than an hour.
C: But we need to image describe every single photograph [both laughing] that we see in this room! Like, the fucking shoddy-ass Photoshop jobs and early days lesbian Jackles.
G: [laughing] There's a photo here- Later on, he wakes up, and the reason why he realizes this is not a dream is because there is a photo of like Sam, and like John and Mary, and when Dean opens his eyes, I literally bursted out laughing. Like, it's so bad. It's genuinely-
C: Which one- is this the graduation one-
G: Yes, yes.
C: - where JDM looks like the most photoshopped man in existence and also it's clearly Jared Padalecki's like, University of Texas, or whatever graduation photo.
G: Yeah. And they were like, "It's Stanford, baby!" [both laughing]
C: I'm gonna look up what the Stanford graduation colors are. I'm pretty sure red is right, though
G: Yeah, no. That's true. But it has to be a deeper red, right? Because Stanford is like maroon, almost.
C: Yeah, Google Images is not being kind to me. I guess they could have just done color replace in Photoshop, though.
Okay, so in Stanford, you actually wear like a black robe in everything, but you have like a red- what is it called?
G: Sash?
C: Yeah, it's called a sash even though it looks like a scarf the way you wear it. Yeah. So yeah. I call bullshit,
Anyway- God. [laughs] Anyway, there's iconic-
G: Oh, by the way, we haven't said yet [laughs], but what's happening right now is that like, Dean is looking through the photos in the room, and that's the photos we are talking about currently. Like, he's looking at graduation pictures, and everything is badly edited. So it's extremely funny what's happening this scene,
C: And he's- there's like a prom photo that's definitely just Jensen Ackles and his date at prom, and they look like lesbians. It looks like a lesbian couple. Trans Dean truthing, for real.
G: And at some point-
C: [laughs] The softball photo?
G: At some point, there's a softball photo of John holding a baseball bat. Okay, first of all, why is John playing softball? [laughs] Isn't that a lesbian sport?
C: Yeah, exactly. I don't know. Maybe, like, older men play softball because the baseball like, if it hits them in the face-
G: Is more dangerous, yeah.
C: - they immediately die?
G: Yeah, I guess so.
C: Yeah. Right. I mean the John Winchester we know would never agree to play softball because it's a lesbian sport. But I guess maybe in this universe where Mary didn't die, he's less toxic masculine.
G: [laughs] I was gonna make a joke that like, I am the most unathletic person I know, and in high school we played softball, and it was the only thing I was good at. [both laughing]
C: Makes you think.
G: Makes you think! [laughing] It was literally the only thing I was half-competent in, which is incredibly funny in retrospect. So yeah, maybe John is transmasc, and that's why he's playing softball.
C: Exactly. Or maybe John's a he/him lesbian in this universe with Mary. [laughs]
G: Exactly. Who would have thought? Not me. But it is what it is.
C: Yeah, it's canon. Just like these photos canonized trans Dean. There's like another photo of young Dean, and he looks like such a lesbian. Like his outfit- like, god, what is it? He's like wearing a baseball-
G: [laughing] Wait, the one you sent me? [C laughing]
C: Yes.
G: [laughing] Wait, I'm going to read the message that you sent along with it, because I thought it was so funny. Okay [laughing], okay. This is Crystal's message along with this photo of Jensen Ackles looking like- he's wearing like a red flannel vest-
C: A fucking flannel vest.
G: - over a shirt and a cap. And Crystal said, "SPN props team scrambling to find a photo of young Jackles that looks the least twinky: Uh, Eric? We have a bad news." [both laughing]
C: Oh, god. Yeah, that was- it's so funny! I just don't think you'll understand how twinky it looks unless we post it or something. But like god, it's so good.
C: So yeah. So back to the softball thing.
G: Yeah. Dean is like, "Wow, he plays-" maybe this is what Dean was referencing too. Like, he thinks softball is a lesbian sport, and he's like, "Why is Dad playing softball?" [C laughs] And Mary has to break it to him that like, your dad was a he/him lesbian. [C laughing] So. And basically, Dean was like, "Isn't it so funny that he plays softball?" And Mary's like, "Well, he loved that team."
C: [laughs] Uh-huh.
G: And Dean was like, "Wait, Dad's dead?" And Mary's like-
C: And honestly, I would have been so stupid. I would've been like, "Oh, no, the team disbanded?"
G: [laughing] I know, me too. Literally how do you proceed straight to death? What if he just left the team, you know?
C: Right. What if he had like, drama with his fellow he/him lesbians on the team, as he/him lesbians are wont to do, and that's why the team is like past tense? [both laugh]
G: Exactly.
C: Also, to be clear, he/him lesbians are the backbone of our society and I don't want to disparage you by saying that John was one of you. [laughs]
G: [laughing] Yeah, exactly. It is actually offensive to be in any group than John belongs in.
Dean asks like, "Okay, what killed Dad?" And Mary says, "A stroke killed him in his sleep. You know about this." And [both laughing] then, Dean says, "Yeah, that's good."
C: [laughing] "That's great." He says, "That's great."
G: That's great.
C: So true.
G: And Mary's like, "It's great that he died?" And Dean says, "Well, it's great that he died in his sleep peacefully. Like, it beats the alternative of, I don't know, being tortured in Hell for eternity after you sell your soul to a demon."
C: [laughs] Yeah, just as an example.
G: And then Mary concludes that Dean has been drinking and goes to call Carmen, and Dean is like, "No, don't do that. I'll stay here." And "I miss the place." And "You go to bed, and I'll just sleep on the couch." And then we get the scene-
C: The shot.
G: That everyone, yeah, the shot that everyone loves and adores. Where it's a close up of Dean's face, and Mary comes over to him and caresses his face and says, like, "Are you sure you're okay? Get some rest." Blah blah blah. And Dean like leans into the touch. It's pretty- like, I would say it would have been emotional if I wasn't so hyperaware of this scene, you know?
C: Yeah.
G: Like I would have liked it better if I didn't know that everyone likes it so much, and it's like, in every single AMV and gifset and whatnot about Dean and being touched-starved or whatever. Anyway-
C: And she says, "I love you"!
G: Yeah, she says "I love you." And Dean doesn't say it back.
C: Aw. That's the first time that Dean's ever been- that anyone's said "I love you" to Dean in the show.
G: Yeah.
C: Sam has gotten one "I love you" so far in the entire show, and it was from Jess's voicemail, and then she died, and this is Dean's first. F.
G: "I love you." Yeah. There's one that I remember. It's like when he said, "I love the guy" about John.
C: Yeah.
G: But he was like, kind of insulting him because he says he writes like Yoda. [C laughs] And Cas was like, "It's beautiful handwriting!" Because he is a liar and a fiend.
C: Yeah. He was like, "I need to know how to get into Dean's pants, because right now, I'm so depressed and suicidal [both laugh]. I need his dick to fix me, and if the only thing I can do to get that is to compliment his dad, then so be it."
G: Yeah.
C: Yeah.
So right, so Dean wakes up the next day, and we get like, a Christmas photo, it looks like, of the whole family together, and it looks fucking ridiculous because of how clearly Photoshopped it is. And also, young Jackles just looks really, really out of place in it. Like, the photo quality's different from the other photos or whatever. But we do see baby Sammy in it! And he's so cute! And also transgender. So. [G laughs]
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C: So he calls Sam, but it's his voicemail. So he hangs up, and he shows up in the office of some professor. And Dean's doing that thing where he's like, "I'm totally one of your students, you just don't remember me." He says, "You kidding me? I love your lectures. You... you make learning fun." So true.
G: He literally looks like a thirty or forty year old man. [both laugh] I mean, he may be a college student-
C: Yeah, it's like, I mean, there are people who go to college late. But usually people would remember you as a student if you're like, on a non-traditional path. So he asks the professor about djinns, and he says that a lot of Muslims believe that the djinn are actually real, and Dean's like, "Yeah, whatever, tell me about the wishes. Can they really do it?" He says, "Say you had a wish, but you never even said it out loud. Like that a loved one came back, or never died, or that something awful never happened." Has he really never said out loud, "I wish Mary didn't die"? That's sad.
So yeah, he says that that is possible because they have God-like power, and they can alter reality however they want. Which does match up with what Bee said to us about djinns, so at least this professor knows his stuff. So yeah, they don't directly grant wishes, but because they can alter reality, then that is something in their wheelhouse. And Dean keeps asking like, "Why would they do it, though? Maybe it's not really evil." And the professor asks if Dean has been drinking, and Dean says, "Everyone keeps asking me that, but no."
Why do you think that the logical conclusion of this universe is that Dean would be an alcoholic? Like Mary's alive, and like, why do you think- Like, I know that like people just become alcoholics for like many reasons in their lives, some mundane. But you know, since this is a Supernatural episode, they had to have a reason that they think that Dean would end up here in the universe where he's like, a normal kid growing up, right?
G: Perhaps it's the show trying to tell us that, like, he doesn't fit in here.
C: Right, like, he needs a purpose in hunting somehow?
G: Yeah.
C: But he doesn't even want to do it! But the show wants him to.
G: Yeah, the show wants him to. That's, I think, the point of the drinking. Well, we don't see him drink a lot, really, it's just everyone telling him that he drinks a lot. But I think, like the whole point of that is to be like, "Look, this isn't even like a good place. It's like, you're still miserable."
C: Yeah, I guess so.
G: But- you. What's your perspective on this?
C: Like if I take away the whole- because it's like, I feel like I can't think of it without the show's intentions, because, you know, later, when, like Sam, confronts Dean, he's basically like, "You're a really bad brother." I was like, "Is that the show saying that Dean's only a good brother because John abandoned them in motels, and he had to learn to be selfless, and that otherwise, Dean would like, sleep with Sam's prom date?" Like, is the show, saying like, "Abuse and abandonment made Dean a better brother!" Like- [laughs]
G: Ugh. Come on, Supernatural.
C: Come on, Supernatural. So I was like, is the show saying that, like, Dean, in his natural state, would be an alcoholic, and like, not give money back to his family and steal his mom's silverware, and it's only through hunting that Dean toughened up and straightened up? Like- I can't tell.
G: But immediately after that, Dean goes, "Yeah, that sounds like me."
C: That's true.
G: Which, you know, implies that in their universe, he would also be doing this shit.
C: Yeah, but the other- like, I feel like he wouldn't have like taken Sam's ATM card. Well, but I guess it's because neither of them have valid ATM cards [laughs], so who knows?
G: Yeah. He takes other people's ATMs, so- [laughs]
C:Yeah, Sam says that Dean bailed on his graduation, which I mean, I guess Dean would do because he's mad at Sam for abandoning the family, but I feel like in this universe, you're just supposed to think that, like, Dean just doesn't care so he didn't show up because he didn't want to bother, which I don't think is something Dean would do.
G: I feel like it's also kind of- Like, the way I think about it, like, the reason why Sam and Dean don't get all along, it's not because Dean is a horrible person, but because Dean is kind of a stuck-up bitch? [both laugh] So like he's kind of a- like, Sam is portrayed as an asshole, right?
C: Yeah, Sam? A bit.
G: So like, I don't know. I mean, Sam is also portrayed like this in real life.
C: Yeah.
G: [laughs] And by real life, I do mean real life. [laughs] No, I mean, like, in, you know, the real universe of Supernatural.
Now that you mention it, like I can't help but think like, are they trying to say that Sam, too, is more understanding and tries to be kinder and all that because of the abuse and torment of his childhood?
C: God, maybe? Okay, no, I think honestly, he's just probably like, mean in this universe because he's in law school, and he has like essays coming up. Like, if my brother took my ATM card like, while I was studying for a test, I'd be mad at him, too. Like, he could do it whenever else, but like, I'm busy and stressed. I'm in law school. I'm gonna be a lawboy. [laughs] Like, do this later. Like, wait until the summer.
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G: Okay. college campus, he sees some girl standing in the corner. This shot's actually pretty creepy. I was like, "Oh, it's from this episode!" I forgot it. It's pretty creepy.
C: She's wearing a white nightgown. [laughs]
G: Oh god, you're right! Ah! Ugh! Is she wearing that in real life, too?
C: I don't remember.
G: I think she was wearing a white dress.
C: Yeah, so maybe he like, took her from a place where she was wearing a white dress, sure.
G: Yeah. Anyway, Dean is home-
C: Oh, but I do want to mention that when Dean opens his trunk and he sees no weapons, he says, "Well, who would have thought? [both] Baby, we're civilians." Which is-
G: Cute.
C: I feel like Supernatural does make the like soldier and hunter parallels pretty clear. Ugh, John Winchester volunteering for the Vietnam War. [G laughs] I just- I fucking know that in The Winchesters, he's going to be like, "I had to fight monsters too. Asian people." [both laughing] [G screams]
G: I need to throttle John Winchester ASAP.
C: No, you're right, he wouldn't say Asian people, he'd say commies. [both laugh]
G: Noo!
C: But, yeah, you know, civilians. Interesting. Alright, back to your thing.
G: Okay, Dean is in the house, he's eating a sandwich, he's moaning while eating the sandwich-
C: [laughing] Are you seeing what the transcript says?
G: What?
C: The transcript says, "Dean takes a bite out of a big sandwich, grunting 'cause of the goodness."
G: Eugh, that's horrible! [C laughs] That's a horrible image,
I mean, I get it. Have you actually moaned around food before?
C: I feel like fan fiction made that up.
G: No. I mean, I think, when it's like, when you're hungry, it's like, you know how like, when you massage something that's painful in your body, you grunt kind of like, without your permission? What do you call that like? Involuntarily?
C: Yeah, yeah,
G: I feel like the same thing happens when you're really hungry, and then you put food in your mouth for the first time after a while. So. I think it's real. It's just- you're right that, like, media, or like in writing, it's a bit more exaggerated.
This is so funny, because, like they're doing the mom thing where it's like, "Mom makes the best food!"
C: Yeah. It's a sandwich. You just put things on top of each other.
G: And it's like- no, it's just It's funny to me because canonically, we learn later on that Mary is actually a bad cook.
C: Yeah. Queen.
G: And like, the things that he loved from childhood, were like, storebought and stuff. Which is so funny to me. And by funny, I mean, they made her real person! Ah! And then they killed her!
C: Augh, they killed her. From what I can see of the sandwich, it seems to be mostly vegetables, so Dean really loves his mom.
G: There's one giant slab of ham in the middle.
C: Ah, there we go. Dean doesn't love his mom that much.
G: And he's asking like, "Where's Sam?" And Mary was like, "Oh, he's coming over here." And then he asks like, "Has the lawn been mowed? Can I mow it?" And Mary says, "Okay, you can, but you've never operated a lawn mower before. So go nuts."
C: Oh, also, he mentions that he works at a garage, so he's a car mechanic-
G: Oh yeah.
C: - which is sweet.
G: He's a car mechanic!
C: Yeah, I think that's a good Dean job.
G: I think it's a good Dean job, yeah, and I like that they weren't like, because he-
C: Right, they weren't like, "You work a blue collar job, and that's part of why you suck in this universe!" Like, they don't do that, yeah.
G: Yeah, like, he still has the car. I don't know, it's a detail that I really like. That like, that is something fundamental to Dean. Because I mean, we've talked a lot- I mean by we. I mean the fandom has talked a lot about how like, Baby is a representation of Dean and like the fact that he chose it, and the fact that now, even in a universe where Mary is alive and they never go hunting, he still sticks to it like it's a part of his identity. I really like that.
C: Yeah.
G: So hell yeah.
C: Hell yeah.
G: Anyway, he mows the lawn. He does a very bad job of it.
C: [laughs] I screamed while watching this scene.
G: What- if you're mowing the lawn, what's it supposed to look like?
C: Well, there's supposed to be like bits of grass flying up because you're like, cutting the grass.
G: Cutting the grass, yeah.
C: But like, he clearly like, is not because, yeah, the lawn mower is not on, and he's like walking around with the lawn mower- like, I feel like usually, you would try to go in like neat rows or something, because, like the way that the grass is cut, like you sort of see that in the way the lawn works, but he's just sort of like walking around in like random angles and circles, and at some point he, like, runs the lawn mower like, over part of the sidewalk. [laughs]
G: Yeah. He tries to force it in a direction, and it goes the other way. It's quite funny. And at some point, he's waving at a guy-
C: Who clearly knows how to mow a lawn because he's throwing away lawn trimmings-
G: Yeah, and the guy's like, "Okay, cool." And then when he was like. "Ah. I'm done. I have rested well- I have worked well."
C: "I worked so hard."
G: "I've worked so hard, and now I'm going to rest with my coldass, flatass beer [C laughs], and I am going to chill out in the front." And he's having fun. He's cute. He's having fun. Throughout this scene, there's a song playing, "It's a Wonderful-" what is it? "What a Wonderful World," right? But it's a cover of it, so it's like, it's janky and poppy.
C: Oh, I don't know what the original sounds like.
G: I mean, I don't know if this is the original, but I think the original is- the jazz guy, right? What's his name? Okay, Louis Armstrong.
C: Oh, okay. Is it a money thing, or is it that Supernatural doesn't play music by Black artists, except for in the episode about a Black music artist? I guess we'll never know.
G: Oh my God, this guy is like- the guy who sings this cover is like, the lead singer of The Ramones, which is extremely funny. Oh god, that's why he's called Joey Ramone. [both laughing] Wait, are The Ramones literally just like, guys named Ramones?
C: I have no clue.
G: Oh my god, they really are all Ramones.
C: Wow. Are they all siblings? Or did they just say only Ramones allowed.
G: They changed their names.
C: That’s dedication.
G: So this guy’s Christopher Joseph Ward, another person is called Thomas Erdelyi, so they–they changed their name to first name Ramone- first name and then Ramone.
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C: The thing about this whole scene is that in “Bugs,” Dean makes it really clear that he doesn't like suburban life, and he thinks it's all, like, fake, and bad or whatever. But yeah, I guess their point here is that like, despite all that, Mary is his home, so it's all good. He should have killed her for real. [G laughs]
So as Dean's drinking the beer and feeling satisfied with himself for doing zero lawn mowing, a car drives up, and it's–it's like round, the shape of it. It's very cute. Good choice in cars, Sam. So, it's Sam and Jess who get out, and Dean goes. “I don't believe it,” and he, like, hugs Jess really really tight, and he greets Sam with a big smile, and like, slaps him on the shoulder, and he's just really excited that he's with Jess, and Sam's just sort of taken back about all of this, and we find out that Sam flew in from California, where he's at Stanford Law. And Sam makes this judgy comment where he points to the beer Dean has, and he's like, “I see you started off Mom's birthday with a bang as usual.” If you have, like, [laughing] a friend or a family member with a drinking problem, this is not the way to have them get help. Okay, right.
G: That is true. However, as someone who, like, you know, like, I've experienced this with my family, and I usually just shut up in family events. But I've heard, like, other people talk to other people in my family, you know? Like, people really do talk like this.
C: Yeah, yeah, it is pretty often.
G: Yeah! And it’s–it’s quite unfortunate, because it helps nobody.
C: Right.
G: It just creates drama.
C: Yeah. So Dean didn't know that it was Mom’s birthday, so Sam's mad at him about that, but yeah, that's why they're all here today. For that. And they cut to a restaurant.
G: Yeah, and they're all drinking. Mary looks amazing. [laughs]
C: Yeah.
G: She looks amazing. She's wearing a black dress, and they're all there–
C: And her hair is up.
G: Yeah, Dean, like, cracks a joke when his food arrives–
C: He ordered that food. Why didn't he order a meat–why did he say “I want the stack of asparagus,” and then be mad that he got a stack of asparagus.
G: Maybe he can't read. [both laughing] Have we considered that, Crystal?
C: I mean, I'm sure there some–there are also probably some dyslexia Dean truthers out there, in which case, yeah, good for you.
G: So true.
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G: They do a toast, and Dean and his wife Carmen have a little chat about like, “Oh, I was worried about you.”
C: I think they’re just dating, actually.
G: Oh, they’re just dating. Yeah, later on, he says, “I'm dating a nurse,” right? So they are dating. So they’re talking, and Carmen is still being a cool girl, hashtag I'm a Cool Girl, “We'll get the burger after this,” and stuff like that, and Dean is like, “How did I ever land such a cool chick?” And then they kiss.
C: Who says that about their partner? Who calls their partner a “cool chick”? He’s sick for this.
G: I swear, if anyone, like-
C: Like, break up on the spot.
G: Like, because it's very reminiscent of like, fucking Gone Girl, right?
C: Yeah! Like the Cool Girl monologue.
G: Like, “Oh my God, you’re so cool–”
C: “You're unusual.” [both laughing]
G: “You’re unusual,” it's a break up. [both laughing] Like that one, it's a break up, I'm kicking you out of our shared apartment. We've been together five years, and this is the last straw.
C: It might even be the first straw. But now it's also the last one. Carmen's response to “How did I end up with such a cool chick as you?” is-
G: “I have low standards.”
C: So true! [laughs] But like, do you think that that was supposed to be part of like, [laughing] “Oh, this world isn't right, because any woman would be really happy to have Dean in the real world.”
G: Noooo! Well, I hope not. But that's extremely funny.
C: God. But yeah, back to Samjess.
G: Sam and Jess say that, oh, they have something to announce, and the announcement is, [both] they're engaged! and the way Sam shows it is he raises her hand and just like, shows off her ring. And I thought that was really cute. I feel like I've seen that in every Samjess AMV ever made.
C: Yeah.
G: To be fair, there's like five scenes of them together, so like, I understand, I get it. And then everyone stands up, and everyone's congratulating Sam and Jess. Dean, like, goes up to congratulate Sam and Sam is like- I don't know what it sounds like, sounds a bit uncomfortable, right? And as Dean congratulates Sam, he sees a figure over at the side. It's the same girl from earlier, but now a little more distressed-looking? And he goes up to her, and…I don't know. I don’t fucking know. What does he do? Oh, the girl disappears, and he's like, “Okay, what the fuck was that?” And then we cut back to the house, and Sam is asking Dean like, “What's- what happened over there at the restaurant?” And Dean was like, “Don't even worry about it.” Mary says goodnight to them, and as she goes up, Sam and Jess are like, “Okay, we're going back to our room now,” or whatever. First of all-
C: They’re there to have engagement sex and Dean's like, “No, we need to- we need to hang out.” [laughs]
G: No, first of all, I find it extremely funny that, like, at this point Sam is what, twenty-three, twenty-four? Maybe twenty-four
C: Currently twenty-four? Since it’s the end of season two.
G: Do you think at twenty-four years old, you would be able to, like- imagine a situation where you're straight.
C: Uh-huh.
G: Do you think even with that, you would be able to introduce, like, a romantic partner to your parents at age twenty-four?
C: Honestly, like, yes, because they keep pushing me to find a rich man somewhere on my college campus. [both laughing]
G: Well, that's true. You should marry the redacted billionaire’s son, who is currently at your college campus.
C: God. But yeah, I mean, I feel like they would want me to date someone because I think- I think they think my friendship with my ex-fiancee is a little too intense [both laughing], and they're getting alarm bells going off in their head. But I don't think I'd feel comfortable introducing someone to them.
G: Yeah, also maybe this is just me speaking from like a quite conservative background, family-wise. But like, the concept that you can introduce your partner to your parents and your partner sleeps in the house-
C: Oh, yeah, in your room? No. No.
G: Sleeps in the same room as you? Noooo. No.
C: No.
G: You have to wait for marriage, baby.
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C: Yeah, Dean's like, “Don't go to bed yet. No engagement sex. We need to hang out and celebrate. Let's-” He says, “Let's go have a drink or something,” which, you know, he should know in this universe-
G: Alarm bells, yeah.
C: That’s not gonna make Sam want to do, like, hanging out activities with him. And Sam goes like, “Mmm, maybe another time.” And Dean says [laughing], “Come on, man, look at us. We both have beautiful women on our arms.” I hope he dies. And he says this in front of Jess and Carmen, like, instant break-up material.
G: No wonder- no wonder Sam fucking hates him.
C: Yeah. No wonder Carmen has low standards. She really fucking does. Not for, like, the alcoholism or anything, just for this. [both laugh]
C: God, yeah, right. And it's really awkward, and I was like, “Is it awkward ‘cause Dean just said that?” But no, it's awkward ‘cause Sam and Dean don't have a good relationship. So he says, “Hey, can you go away? I need to talk to my brother alone,” and he, like, tells Dean to like, come here, and he leads him to the whole other side of the living room. Yeah, so he asked him, “Hey, what has gotten into you? What is this whole warm, fuzzy, ecstasy trip thing?” And Dean says, “I'm just happy for you, Sammy,” and Sam’s like, “Yeah, and also you don't call me Sammy, and we also don't talk outside of holidays,” and Dean goes like, “Well, we don't? Well, we should, you’re my brother,” and Sam’s like, “That's what you said when you stole my ATM card, bailed on my graduation, and also when you hooked up with Rachel Nave, my prom date.” And yeah, as you mentioned- okay, also, fun fact, Rachel Nave is a Supernatural writer. Who wrote “Bugs.”
G: Who wrote “Bugs.” [C laughs] And also, like, apparently they bring up this prom date thing again in the future? And it's like, Lucifer says that, like, that girl was like, possessed to watch over Sam or something.
C: Oh my god.
G: Which is terrifying! On so many levels.
C: Geez. So as he mentioned, he was like, “Yeah, that kind of sounds like me,” and he says, like, “I'm sorry about all that.” And Sam says like, “That's okay. I'm not asking you to change. I just don't want to continue having a brotherly relationship with- not really, he just says that we don't really have anything in common. And he just starts to walk away and Dean goes like, “Whoa, yeah we do. Yes, we do. We have hunting in common.”
G: Yeah.
C: Boo. And Sam goes, “I've never been hunting in my life,” and Dean goes, “Well. We should go sometimes, I think you'd be great at it.” And Sam goes away. Is hunting really the only thing they have in common? Like, they grew up together.
G: I mean, Supernatural seems to think it is.
C: Okay. Yeah, they seem to think this is true, but, like, even like, I don’t know, make an effort. If your friend has a new, like, hyperfixation, you go watch an episode of it so you can talk about it with them, you know?
G: Yeah, on an outtake of your podcast for another TV show that you watch together. We're gonna talk about Attorney Woo at some point, I feel. [laughs] So tune in for that in the outtakes.
C: Make an effort, I say, having no plan to play Ace Attorney.
G: Exactly. No, but this scene is yet another scene that made me emo. Because, like I said earlier, the concept of having a sibling and not getting along with them makes me so sad, it's just- it's devastating. So like, when Sam was like, “We just don't have anything in common,” I was like, “holy shit. What- what things in common do I have with my siblings?” And the answer is not much, but you still love them right? And it's just, it’d wild to me that they were like-
C: Also, I feel like a lot of conversations are just you saying something funny that recently happened to you. Like, you don't even have to have the same interests, if you care about each other, then you'll just care about each other's anecdotes, or whatever.
G: Yeah, like, and a lot of it is like, gossiping about your family [laughs]. You're like, “Yeah, our cousin is, in fact, going to a different school.” Like, you know, shit like that.
C: Yeah. Like, having a sibling is about like, going through the Instagrams of people you both know from school and making fun of how their partners look, like. [laughs]
G: For me, siblinghood is when they get blocked by someone from your family that they have beef with. You go to that person’s Facebook page [both laughing] and scroll through it with them to see what shit they've been saying. That's my experience of siblinghood, and I feel like everyone should be able to relate.
C: I agree. Though, honestly, I think the Sam and Dean thing does happen because, okay, one time my ex-fiancee was overhearing her roommate with her sister on the phone, and her roommate was trying to talk to her sister about TWICE, but, like, her sister clearly didn't really care about K-Pop and the roommate was like, “You're not really, like, talking to me. I feel like you're not engaging, and we don't really have anything in common, and I feel like we're drifting apart.” And the sister said, “Well, we have Jesus in common.” [both laughing]
G: Oh my god, that's so funny!
C: Sam and Dean literally have Jesus in common.
G: Literally, Dean would say, Dean would be the roommate, and Sam would be like, “We have Jesus in common.” Yeah.
C: Yeah.
G: But, it's just, I guess, like, distance really does do that, right? So, and like, I guess at this point, like five years or so, Sam has been away from home, so of course, things are gonna be different. It's so sad. It's so sad. And the fact that even in childhood it's implied that they didn't have a connection. Like what, did they just exist around each other?
C: I mean, I guess maybe part of it is just that they would have their own rooms in the house, so they could just choose not to like, look at each other or talk to each other. They weren't like, cooped up in the same motel room, having to watch the same TV all the time.
G: Supernatural is about family, and, like, I said this earlier, but like, it is about family, and at its core it's like, about Sam and Dean- like, [laughs] not to be a fucking-
C: Bronly?
G: Not to be a fucking Bronly, but Sam and Dean is like a pillar of this show. That is, you know, a foundation of it. And I like that they explore it like this in this episode, where it's like, no, yeah, seriously, what did they have in common? Seriously, what connects them? What binds them? And yeah, maybe it is the shared trauma, and it is the hunting and all that. I don't know, like at this point I can still safely say, like, at least they have that, I feel like later on in the show “that,” in quotes, actually is a detriment to their relationship and to their lives as individuals. But at this point in the show, at least they have that kind of connection with each other, like at least they have each other, even though later on in the show it's going to be toxic as all hell.
C: Yep.
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G: So now we're at Dean's house, I think. Yeah. And Carmen and Dean are talking, and Dean’s saying, like- Carmen hands him a beer, and also like, just for, like, a little tip that later- the beer is called El Sol, and honestly I think it's a little bit of a reference to the fact that this episode is brighter, like, inside the universe, it’s brighter, right. So it's like, the sun, but also it's a reference to the fact that it's a beer brand. And Carmen is actually a beer model in real life, and that's how he knows her. She's a model for the El Sol beer, which we'll see later when he flips through a magazine. Which, do you want to talk about that, while we’re on Carmen, the fact that it's a beer ad that he sees her in?
C: Yeah, I mean, I don't really know what there is to say, like, Dean probably does have a drinking problem.
G: I mean, we kind of said it earlier. We kind of said it earlier in that, like, why is it not Cassie or Lisa, or anything? And it's like, I mean, my first- my kneejerk reaction was, he imagined this life just because he saw a beautiful woman. [C laughs] Like it- does Dean look at every woman and think, “Hmm, what if we get home and get married then you offered me blowjobs before sleep and also gave me beer,” you know? [C laughing] But also, like, I think it's a little bit sadder than that, like, it's like, I cannot really see myself having this kind of connection with anyone, quote, “real,” and like, you know, who's actually in my life, so I'm going to project these desires on someone that doesn't feel or even is a real person to me. So yeah, I don’t know.
C: What if Dean's wife in this- Dean's girlfriend in this episode was Asian. What would you do?
G: [laughs] I would- I think honestly, that would be like a “let's stop watching this show.” [both laughing]
C: Yeah, honestly, it’d be like, “Well, okay. It was nice knowing all of you. Bye.”
G: Yeah, I feel like that is a deal breaker at that point, especially after the Busty Asian Beauties reveal a couple of episodes back.
C: [laughs] God.
G: What a hilarious question! But as they sit and talk, Dean is like, “I can fix him” about Sam. And he’s like, “I've been given a second chance in life, and I don't want to mess it up.” And Carmen is just sitting there, like, affirming him and being like, “They don't know what they're missing,” etc etc. Anyway, she- they start kissing, and when they're about to lay down, she's like, “Don't bother me, I have a job to go to,” and-
C: Wait, wait, remember when Dean says, “I get it now, why you're the one.” Why- how does he get it? We don't know a single thing about this woman. All she's done is offer to fuck him and be like, affirming.
G: “You're the one because you told me my dick was ten inches long.” Go girl. [both laugh]
C: God.
G: But as they start making out and they're about to go down, she was like, “Oh, I have a job to go to,” and he was like, “Oh, what job?” and Crystal has told me that the joke in this scene is Dean thinks she's a stripper because she's working the night shift. But actually she's a nurse. And Dean is like, it's a respectable job, right?
C: Stripping is also a respectable job. But Supernatural hates women. So.
G: He's watching TV now, and he's flicking through and suddenly he sees a news coverage of this vigil held after the one-year anniversary of the flight that Dean stopped- that Sam and Dean stopped from crashing a year ago, the one from-
C: “Phantom Traveler.”
G: “Phantom Traveler.” Fascinating that it's only been a year from- since “Phantom Traveler.” They really sped through season two.
C: Also like, there's no vigil being held for like, the plane crash that happened the day before, with the door opening and stuff? [G laughs] You’d think it's more of like a two-day long sort of like, this was Plane Crash Weekend, like, memorializing Plane Crash Weekend.
G: But like, a hundred and eighty people died during that crash, and Dean is like, “Wait, no, I stopped that crash,” so he goes to his laptop and starts researching, and headlines, like, flash in- no, not flash, but like, fade in and out of the screen as we watch Dean's face react to all this, and it's like, “Nine Kids Comatose” from the one about- the fucking Macbeth episode. No it’s-
C: “Something Wicked.”
G: “Something Wicked.” Yeah. And then there's the, like, drowning, I think, from-
C: Yeah, from the hotel episode. “Playthings.”
G: Yeah, the girl who drowned in the pool.
C: They should have shown Cassie.
G: Yeah.
C: Like, I know, that would essentially be a fridging, but since it's a different universe, I think it's like, okay.
G: Maybe- maybe Cassie, not being shown is good because it's like, it's not an equal- you know, it's not an equal value. It's like, “I don't know these people, and yet I'm sacrificing my life for them.”
C: That’s true. Yeah. If you saw Cassie’s death and then went to John's grave, it’s like, “Why do I have to save people?” I’d be like, “Fuck off!” [both laughing]
G: No, exactly. Speaking of John and his grave. Take it away, Crystal.
C: Right. So we get to- well, okay, actually, before that for a second, Dean sees, like, [laughs] he opens his bedroom closet door and realizes that he is actually a serial killer in this universe. ‘Cause there are a bunch of corpses hanging from the ceiling, but then they flicker out. So yeah, something's up. So yeah, he's at John's grave now, and he gives this whole speech. Do I have to read all of it? I didn't even like it that much.
G: Just- just summarize it.
C: Okay, he's like, “Everyone that we saved is dead, and it's like my old life is coming after me, and it doesn't want me to be happy, and I know what you in the real universe, not this one would say, and it's that I should go hunt the djinn, and that your happiness doesn't matter next to all those people's lives. But why is it my job to save them? Why do I have to be some kind of hero?” And he like, he gets a Single Man Tear, and then a second Man Tear. And he says like, “And what, like, Mom's not supposed to live her life, and Sammy is not supposed to get married. Why do we have to sacrifice everything?” So yeah, that's the speech. So yeah, he's crying and stuff.
C: People care about this scene, and I mean, I guess it's like useful to understand Dean, but I don't- I didn't think- the acting in it wasn't good.
G: Well, I mean he does the two tears falling out of his eyes thing.
C: True, that's a lot for Jensen Ackles. Twice as many as usual.
G: Yeah, it should have been just a Single Man Tear. Yeah, should've just been a Single Man Tear. Also, yeah, the acting wasn't good. It didn't move me. I was like, fading in and out of focus.
C: I was like he's giving monologue during his audition for his school play. Like, that's the vibe.
G: Yeah, I mean for an episode that moved me quite a bit, this one didn't do anything for me.
C: Yeah, this scene just wasn't very good. The only thing that got me a little emo was me realizing that this was probably the first time that the Dean of this universe would have to look up where a grave is.
G: Aww.
C: Yeah. Aw.
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G: Anyway-
C: We get the pilot parallels, visual parallels, hell yeah, hell yeah.
G: Yeah. So Sam is steeping, wakes up Jess is beside him. It's literally just the fucking pilot. But he goes down, and he's carrying a baseball bat, and this is Dean-
C: I love him. I'm in love with Sam. Go, baseball bat.
G: Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention. Sam in this episode is not dressed like Sam,
C: Right. He's dressed like a law student.
G: He's dressed like a law student from Stanford.
C: Yes.
G: Well, I mean, they're not dirt poor this universe.
C: That's true.
G: That's good.
C: Dean has a- is it an apartment or a house? Does he have an entire house?
G: It's a house.
C: He has an entire house. It's a nice-
G: And not only is it an entire house, it's a beautiful house. I mean, we've talked about real estate in Lawrence before-
C: That's true. In Lawrence, it's pretty cheap. So yeah, like, yeah, John was a mechanic- Oh my god, wait. John was a mechanic. Do you think he had like, a family business that Dean took over after he died or something?
G: Oh, fuck off. [both laugh]
C: Anyway, yeah, but John could pay for a whole house on a mechanic's salary. That woman in "Home" could pay for a house despite being unemployed and recently divorced. So yeah, I guess it makes sense. Again, this was before the housing crash.
G: I was surprised by the size of Dean's home. Like, he has a walk-in closet. And I know that that walk-in closets are a little bit more common in other places, I guess, but I was like, "Wow! He's really living the life." [laughs]
C: [laughs] Yeah, he probably has a washing machine, too. [G laughs]
G: [laughing] To be clear, I have a washing machine-!
C: Okay, it was the dryer that you didn't have for a while.
G: Yeah, we don't have a dryer, yeah. They probably- Dean in this universe-
C: - which is common in a lot of Asian countries because, like, hang-drying is so common.
G: Yeah, I don't have a dryer. Yeah. It's miserable because it's been stormy recently.
C: Oh no!
G: One time, I washed my clothes and I hanged them up, and then it rained-
C: No!
G: And I was like, "Fuck it, we ball," [C laughs] and then let them dry still. [laughing] I didn't rewash them. [both laughing] So yeah.
C: Yeah. So true.
G: Anyway, Dean attacks Sam and gets him down after just one like, push or something. And he's like, "Wow-"
C: Yeah, and it's the exact same like, shot and angle and attack as in the pilot. Did you think at first that Dean was like, "Sam and I aren't talking. [laughing] I'm going to rekindle our friendship by recreating the pilot"? [G laughs]
G: No. You know what, because I know what Dean says about the pilot in the finale, that actually makes me so sad. Because apparently, he stood-
C: Oh, he stood outside for hours not knowing whether or not he would be welcome or whether or not he could come in, and he was so scared. [pained sound]
G: Literally, Dean, your plan is to fucking attack this guy while like in the middle of the fucking night, like, of course you won't be welcome. But I digress
But Sam- Dean is like, "Wow! That was so easy. I'm actually quite embarrassed for you." [laughs] And then they get up-
C: It's because Sam only has strong calves because he got to play soccer when he wanted to when he was little. His arm strength is nothing. [G laughs]
G: Yeah. He gets Sam up, and it's the same silhouette shot from the pilot yet again, and then Sam opens the light, and he notices that Dean is actually stealing from their mom's silver utensil collection. Which is like bad luck. And then Sam asks like, "What's the deal with you? Why are you doing this? Steal Mom's silver?" And Dean is like, "Well, I had no choice." Sam pushes, and you think Dean is gonna confess, but he just says, like, "I owe someone some money."
C: Mm.
G: But then he starts talking, and like, if you put yourself in the situation of someone who doesn't know what's going on, he's talking like he's about to commit suicide.
C: Yeah
G: So Sam is alarmed. He's saying like, "I'm sorry that we don't get along, and I wish that I could stay and fix it. Tell Mom I love her." You know, stuff like that. And then he walks out, and he hops into his car. But just before he leaves, Sam steps into the car!
C: Whoo! Yeah, I like the scene where Sam comes into the car. Right, like Dean tells him to get out, and Sam says, like, "I'm going with you!" And, you know, Dean's being like, "You're going to slow me down. You're going to get hurt." And Sam says, like, "Look, whatever stupid thing you're about to do, you're not doing it alone, and that's that." And Dean's like, "Why- I don't get it. Why are you being nice to me?" And Sam says, "Because you're still my brother." And- I don't know. It's sweet.
G: And I know that this scene- Yeah, it is sweet. I know that this scene is just the djinn trying to stop Dean, but it's still sweet, and I'm still like, "Aw."
C: Yeah. And I feel like if this universe was real, like, this is realistic for the Sam there. Like, he might have a lot of issues with Dean, but he doesn't want him to fucking die. Yeah.
And then [laughs] Dean says, "Bitch," and Sam says, "What are you calling me a bitch for?" [both laughing] Which made me scream. Feminist women love Sam Winchester. [G laughs]
G: Exactly.
C: Yeah. And Dean's like, "You're supposed to say jerk." And Sam's like, "What?" And Dean's like, "Nevermind." And they drive off.
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G: Yeah. At some point. Sam's like, "Oh, what's in the bag?" Kind of like, playfully. And Dean is like, "Well, nothing." And Sam's like "Nothing? Okay." And then he takes like a bag from between him and Dean, and he [laughing] takes out the container. It's full of fucking blood. [C laughs] And he's like, "Uh, Dean, what is this?"
C: And Dean doesn't clarify that It's not human blood for the longest time.
G: Yeah. He's like, "It's blood." [C laughs] And then, Sam is like, "Yeah, I can see that it's blood." Dean is like, "Well, I needed lamb's blood because I needed a silver knife dipped in lamb's blood." And Sam's like, "Okay, maybe we can stop the car." [both laugh] And Dean is like, "No, no, no, it's fine." And Sam is like, "No, yeah, I know it's fine, but you know, just stop the car." But Dean explains that, you know, there's a creature, a djinn, and that he needs to hunt it, and that, you know, there's creepy crawlies in the night, etc etc. But Sam insists that like, "I just want to help. You're having some kind of breakdown."
C: Okay, also, Dean says, "People have to be saved, and if we don't save them, then nobody will." And also we learn during the grave scene that every single case that he or Sam or John ever worked went unsolved. And that's just not realistic. That's some individualistic, like, American bullshit.
G: Yeah.
C: Like, there are other hunters. Like, Bobby exists. Like I don't think it's true that every single case that they saw they were the only ones who could have fixed the situation, and the only ones who would have noticed. Like, that's dumb. That's what I think.
G: Yeah. At some point. Sam tries to call someone on his phone. [laughs] Dean opens a window and tosses the phone out, and Sam says, "What the hell does that mean? That was my phone."
C: Yeah, "How am I gonna email more people and say 'darn'?"
G: Christopher- Christian Cooper or whatever his name was?
C: [laughs] Yeah.
G: And Dean says, like, "I'm not going in the rubber room. We got work to do," [C laughs] And Sam-
C: Falls asleep.
G: Is like, "I'm just trying to help you out, Dean. I don't want you to get hurt." And this is the part where it's like the djinn is really trying to get Dean to stop. And then they end up in front of this old factory in Illinois.
C: Sam fell asleep despite Dean blasting "Mr. Saturday Night" the whole time.
G: Not only is he blasting "Mr. Saturday Night," Sam also is in the mindset that his brother is having some kind of really probably very dangerous breakdown.
C: Yeah.
G: [laughs] And he still fell asleep.
C: What a king. [both laugh]
G: Yeah,
C: It's because he didn't have his phone. He could have played Candy Crush to stay awake if he was getting really sleepy, but Dean threw it out the window.
G: Exactly.
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C: Yeah, so Dean wakes up, and yeah, they're in an old factory in Illinois, and Sam's following Dean around, and he keeps trying to tell Dean to turn back, that there's nothing here. And then they start hearing sounds, and they go into a room, and it's those bodies that Dean saw in his closet hanging from the ceiling, and they're all like, hooked up to like a blood bag. Right, and the girl that Dean saw earlier is there, too, but she is alive.
So the djinn comes out, and they hide. The girl keeps crying and asking where her dad is. It's a pretty difficult scene to watch. But he puts her back to sleep, and then he takes out the blood that he's drained from her, and, like- he like, takes the tube, and he just sort of squirts the blood in his mouth. [laughs]
G: I respect that.
C: Yeah. It's a little- it's a little juice bag. He's got his Caprisun. And oh, yeah, I mean, obviously, in djinn lore, they don't feed on blood like this. [both laugh] Yeah, in case you were like, "This is in the Quran!" [G laughs]
So Sam makes a little "eugh" sound. But they are able to move before the djinn finds their hiding place. And Sam's like, "Oh my god! Like, this is real, and you're not crazy?" And Dean's like, she thought she was with her dad at the time. She didn't know where she was, so this isn't like, a wish being fulfilled. It's just like a vision that you're having while you're tied up.
G: Yeah.
C: And he looks up at his light bulb, at this light bulb, and in it, he sees flashes of himself hanging by his wrists and being fed on. And Sam keeps being like, "Dean, Stop having a revelation! Dean, shut up!" But Dean's like, "Oh, god, iIm tied up somewhere, and this is all in my head." Dun-dun-dun!
G: They do some exposition in how the djinn does it. Like, he feeds me poison, and then I go to sleep, blah blah blah. And Sam keeps on saying like, "It doesn't make any sense. We need to get out of here! Like, you're right, we need to get out of here." And this keeps on going and going and going, until Sam just- [C screams] until Mary shows up. [laughs]
C: Right, because Dean holds up- takes out his knife first, and he says, like, "If you almost die in a dream, you'll wake up, so I'm just gonna stab myself."
G: Yeah, and Sam is like, "You're gonna die. And Dean is like, "I'm gonna die, or I'm gonna wake up. One or the other. So I'll just stab myself." And then, Sam, keeps on touching him and being like, "I'm real. I'm real. This is not some acid trip. I'm real." As he's about to thrust in the knife, Mary shows up. [C laughs] And the way she shows up is she's in a fucking [both] nightgown again.
C: God. Killing and death.
G: I'm surprised they even put her in any other piece of clothing, honestly. [C laughs]
C: She should've shown up in her black dress with her hair up, out to the club in this abandoned factory.
G: Yeah, exactly. Sam changes like, his demeanor, and he's suddenly standing up straight and talking very not Sam-like. And he's like, "You should have stopped digging."
C: [laughing] Also, Carmen and Jess appear at this point.
G: Oh my god, yeah.
C: Which is why I was like, "Dean's about to kill himself and Sam summons a girlband to stop him." It's just a very striking moment when you're like, "Oh, in this episode, none of the women are real people, and none of them have personalities, and they're just here to give Dean motivations while the Sam, even the fake Sam, like, has a personality and a life and like a storyline."
G: Yeah. And then Mary comes in, holds Dean's face, and Dean like leans into the touch yet again. And she's like, "Put the knife down." And [laughs] they start this thing where they tag team [C laughing], and, Mary's like, "Dean, you shan't kill yourself." And then she lets go, and then Carmen comes in and kisses him, and it's like, "Don't kill yourself, Dean." [C laughing] And then like, Jess doesn't come in, she just stands in the distance, and she's like, "Sam is gonna be happy." And it's so funny to me that the one thing Jess says about another person. Like, she has no personality!
C: Like, it's not like, "I'm cool, and we can hang out." [laughs] It's like-
G: Yeah, it's not like "I get to live again."
C: Right!
G: "Me and Sam-" she doesn't even say "me and Sam will get to have a life." Like, she just says, "Sam gets to have a life."
C: Yeah.
G: And it's like, my god, girl, where are you in this equation? [C laughs]
C: Right. Though I think the thing she says where she says, "You don't have to worry about Sam anymore" is, I think, the only moment in this episode they maybe nod towards the finale, because, you know, like a world where Mary doesn't die is a world where Sam doesn't have demon blood.
G: Then, finally, Sam walks up and says, "Why do you have to save everyone? Why is it your job? Haven't we done enough?" And this is basically what Dean said earlier. And then he says, like, "Give me the knife." Dean tearfully looks at everyone-
C: [laughing] Well, he doesn't look at Jess. [G laughs] The camera pans from Carmen to Sam to Mary, but Jess has been standing behind him-
G: [laughing] Is that for real?
C: And I was like, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if right after that, the camera swivels around to show Jess and she just gives a little wave?"
G: Exactly. But- Is he crying at this point?
C: Yeah, I think so.
G: He's looking teary-eyed, but he trusts the knife into his belly.
C: Goodbye.
G: And yeah.
C: And we see- yeah.
G: Sam starts screaming like, "Dean! Dean! Dean" but it transitions to Sam-
C: Real Sam!
G: - in real life. Real Sam, who's now waking Dean u from sleep.
C: Yep. So he shakes him awake, and Dean makes like, a Wizard of Oz reference. He says, "Ah, Auntie Em. There's no place like home." He's a friend of Dorothy for real
G: There's a part where Sam removes a needle from Dean's neck that made me flinch.
C: Uh-huh.
G: Like, it looked so real. And I was like, "Holy shit, man!"
C: But you know what's worse is when they rescue that girl, and Sam uses his knife to remove the needle from her neck. Like-
G: What??
C: He takes a little blade and he does a thing. [both] Girl.
Misogyny.
G: Girl. [both laughing]
C: Should we give Dean like a point for this episode just because this is his imagination and everything that happened there was like [G laughs], interesting.
G: Well, I mean, we are not the thought police. [C laughs] I feel like we should punish people for their actions, and not their thoughts.
C: Okay, that's true.
G: And this is just a thought for Dean.
C: I guess? But I don't- if Dean was like [laughing], "I hate gay people" like, in the dream [G laughs], we'd give him a homophobia point because it'd still be him like, expressing his opinions out loud.
G: [laughing] Noo. Hot take of the day, you should be allowed to hate gay people inside your head. [both laughing]
C: Ugh, okay, no point for Dean.
So, right, so Sam cuts through like, half the ropes, but then the djinn appears, and Sam and the djinn brawl for a bit, and, right, and the djinn's about to try to put him to sleep, but then Dean escapes his ropes, and he thrusts his knife into the djinn, and it dies. So this is where we get to I think, our last fact from the about djinns. And it's that basically, the only ways you can protect yourself from a djinn is through reciting verses of the Quran, and you have to be like, an actual Muslim for that to work, you can't just say it. And also, the only way to defeat a djinn, you can't actually kill them. You have to-
G: -exorcise-
C: - Yeah, you have to exorcise them. And it has to be someone with a lot of Islamic knowledge, like an imam. And, you know, because they could like, time travel and alter reality and all of that, it doesn't make sense that they'd be able to defeat this creature, anyway, because, like, he could just be like, "You have a knife? No, you don't." [laughs]
G: Yeah. And like-
C: This is a thing where, first of all, like, they didn't need to make the creature a djinn. Like, they could have just made up a new thing, because all they really needed was this dream sequence. And if they actually really wanted to do a djinn episode, I don't see why, like one of the people they consult could be like an actual imam, and like, they could bring this person along on the hunt.
G: Yeah.
C: I feel like a lot of the religious, or like, folklore creatures that they defeat- there's no reason why they can't like team up with people with that cultural knowledge and background. Like, it doesn't have to be Sam and Dean killing the thing every time. Like maybe sometimes, they just do the research.
G: Yeah, like we've said multiple times, but like, bring people along! Like-
C: No, if we don't save them, no one will! [laughs] Jesus.
G: Yeah. And like, for example, like, I mean, they don't even have to convince like- the lore inside Supernatural is already that a lot of Muslim people believe in djinns, anyway.
C: Yeah.
G: So they don't have to be convinced. You don't have to beg a person to be like- "Can you help us defeat the djinn?"
C: Right, like, I feel like they could contact and a mosque, and they could be like, "There's something here that we think is a djinn. Could you help us exorcise it?" And they'd probably be like, "Yes, 'cause that's a bad thing, and [both] I know how to defeat it."
G: Yeah. Yeah.
Also, like, part of our notes is that djinns specifically, are not exactly like just bad creatures-
C: That's true, yeah.
G: - like, in all of lore. They're not necessarily monsters. They're more like humans with superpowers. And also, like, some of them, are actually like religious, as in like, positively. And then the negative- like negative- what's the term. Like, the bad ones are like, usually like, supplementing dark wizards and stuff. So like, I don't know. Maybe we could have had a djinn vs djinn battle. [laughs]
C: Yeah!
G: Something Wanni said that I was like, "Oh, that's interesting" is that like they said, like we said earlier, like, it's such a missed potential because the lore is really very deep. Like, there is a lot to djinns. So it is- it is- the shtriga, for example, they had like a bit of lore for that, right? Like, with the shtriga episode, it was like, there was lore, and also there was emotional Sam and Dean stuff happening in the episode. So like, they could have done it here, too, that they could have had like a Sam and Dean episode, and they could have had the lore to come along with it. Or, if they just wanted to do the dream sequence so bad, just stick to that, you know?
C: Yeah, you can just make up another creature. I'm sure there are other creatures that put you in a dream state.
G: Yeah.
C: But, ah well.
G: Here we are.
C: He's dead from a knife. K. [G laughs]
Right, and they rescue the girl with Sam using a fucking blade to get the IV out. And yeah. So we cut to a motel room, and Dean's flipping through a magazine, and this is where he sees the beer ad with Carmen in it. And the ad says like, "go someplace better" or something. So yeah. And Sam, who's wearing his iconic white shirt with the floral-ish light pattern on it- you know the shirt.
G: Mm-hm. Yeah. The one that he broke his arm in.
C: Yeah, it also is the shirt that he wears when Dean confronts him about drinking demon blood in season 4.
G: Yeah! This scene looks exactly like that scene. Like, the color scheme of the room is the same. So I was like, "Why is this familiar? Why is this familiar to me?" And I was like, "Oh, it's because this one looks like the scene where he beats Dean up."
C: Yeah. Go, girl.
So, yeah, the girl was in the hospital, she's gonna be okay. Dean's okay, and he's like, "I'm alright. You should have seen it, Sam. Our lives. You were such a wussy." [laughs]
G: "You were such a wussy." [both laugh] Iconic.
C: "I called you bitch, and you said, 'Why did you call me a bitch?'" So yeah, Sam's like, "Oh, so we didn't get along? I thought it was supposed to be this perfect fantasy." And Dean was like, "No, it just granted the one wish for Mom to live." Which means that women are just like this [laughs]. Like, just normally.
G: [laughs] Yeah.
C: "So we never went hunting, so you and me just never like, connected." And [laughing] Sam says, "Yeah, well I'm glad we do." [laughs]
G: Wild.
C: I'm glad we hunt, Dean. "And I'm glad you dug yourself out. Most people wouldn't have the strength." And Dean's like, "Yeah, but like you, you had Jess, and Mom was gonna have grandkids-" Really, like, Dean was like, "You and Jess want kids. You will impregnate her. I have decided this." [both laugh]
G: Ugh. Ugh.
C: Yeah, but he's like, "But Dean. it wasn't real." And Dean says like, "Yeah, I know. But I wanted to stay. I wanted to stay so bad. Because ever since Dad died, all I can think about is how much this job has cost us. We've lost so much and sacrificed so much." And Sam's like, [annoying voice] "Well, but people are alive because of you. It's worth it!" [both laugh] He didn't say it like that, but that is how I view the lines. [annoying voice] "It's not fair, and it hurts like hell, but it's worth it!" And Dean looks sad, and that's the end of the episode.
What is this ending?
G: What- is this- Is there an episode a little bit back that like, ends kind of like this?
C: Yes, "Hunted," which is written by Raelle Tucker, which is the pretty much the exact same thing.
G: How does that one end? Wait, what's "Hunted"? What episode is that?
C: It's the one where they call the cops on Gordon, right?
G: Oh, god, okay. Completely forgotten about it.
C: Yeah, let me make sure it's actually "Hunted."
G: Oh! I know what I'm thinking of.
C: Is it even "Hunted." Like okay, because the transcript said that the flashback at the beginning was from "Hunted," but is it?
G: No. The episode I'm thinking of first is the one with- the one with the fucking- "Houses of the Holy."
C: What happens in that one? It ends with a motel talk too.
C: Well, okay, so you said it was shot like "Houses of the Holy," this scene? Because at the end of "Hunted," Dean is the one who goes like, "Screw the job, I'm sick of the job, all we get is bad luck." And that's the one where Sam's like, "But come on, dude. You're a hunter. It's what you were meant to do!" [laughs] That feels a lot like this scene.
G: Ugh. Yeah. Oh, the one where Dean is like- okay, okay, I got it, I got it. The one that ends with like, the Dean beauty shot?
C: Is that at the end of "Hunted"? I thought that was at the end of "Bloodlust"?
G: Yeah, they zoom in on Dean's face- Oh. What episode is fucking "Hunted," then?
C: It's the one with Ava, and Gordon's like, shooting at Sam, and also, this is where they find out that-
G: Oh! This is the episode where I was drunk! [both laughing]
C: Yeah! There we go. Right. It's where we find out that John told Dean to kill Sam. Yeah, that one.
G: Oh god.
C: And the one where you were drunk and Crystal had half an hour's sleep.
G: That's why I don't remember it. That's why I don't remember it.
C: There we go.
G: There we go.
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G: Okay, I mean, we've discussed what we think about this episode, but has it changed in the span of the last two hours that we've been talking? Jesus Christ.
C: I think because we've made more jokes about it, [laughing] I like it even less than I did before, because the, like, emotional parts are like, "Well, I said them in a silly voice, so were they even that emotional?" [both laughing]
G: I mean, I still- everything I said earlier in the episode, I still hold, so whatever.
C: Yeah. Yeah. [G laughs] Whatever.
G: How about Best Line/Worst Line? I did not pay attention to any lines in this episode. [laughs]
C: I wrote down beforehand what my best line was, and [laughing] it was, "What are you calling me a bitch for?"
G: I think my best line is- I'll recite the whole thing yet again. But [laughs] my best line is, "Hey, dude [both laughing, C screaming], how are you doing? How are you doing, man? I'm doing pretty darn good. I've been meaning to sit down and write you, but I've been so darn busy! I've been meaning to call, too. But, hey. [both] What's a fella to do?" I love that he puts the hey in there. Like, he's like, "Hey. Hey. Hey, hey! What's a fella to do?"
C: "What's a fella to do?" [both laugh]
G: My worst line is, "I know why you're the one." [C retches] Or whatever. I don't even know the wording of that part. But like, when Dean tells Carmen "This is why you're the one."
C: For what?
G: And it's like, she has not shown an ounce of personality this entire episode.
C: Yeah. Death. Death and killing
My favorite- sorry, my least favorite is when Sam says, "Well, I'm glad we do" about hunting. [laughs]
G: No, I think that's- actually, now that I think about it, I think that's a response to Dean being like, "We don't connect."
C: But it's "You and me just never-" Maybe. Okay, fine. Fine, yeah, maybe, you're right. In that case, do I have to find a new-
G: [laughs] No, it's fine. Leave it be. This recording has gone on for so long.
Okay, IMDB rating.
C: It's a highly-rated episode. I know this.
G: Is it? I hate it.
C: I'm going to go with a 9.
G: I'll go with an 8.7. I think that's high enough.
C: Okay,
G: Holy shit, man.
C: What?
G: 9.3.
C: Fucking what? Is that the highest we've seen?
G: No, I think we had a- oh, yeah it is.
C: We've only had a 9.2.
G: 9.2 was season finale or something.
C: Jesus Christ. Seriously? No one likes Sam. No one cares about Sam.
G: "Brilliant and wonderfully heart-wrenching! Must see!" "Outstanding. Splendidly done. Absolute handsome brilliance."
C: [laughs] "Absolute handsome brilliance"?
G: "That was just a dream." I hate this episode. I don't even want to read any of the reviews.
C: I'm skimming them. I'm not seeing anything. This one says it's a great insight into the character development of the two main protagonists. Are you sure? Both of them? You're saying it developed both of them?
G: Nobody? I hate Supernatural so much it's unreal.
C: Aw, this one says, "Like 'Faith' in season 1, this is Supernatural at its best." [both laugh]
G: And we know how we feel about "Faith!"
C: Yeah. Well.
G: Okay, that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 21: "All Hell Breaks Loose: Part One." Also, we would like to thank Wanni angelhannah-
C: Yes.
G: - for their input into like, djinn lore and stuff. I love that we just say the word lore now for everything, even for real life stuff [laughs]. Like, it is lore. Thank you, Sam Winchester. But thank you, Wanni! Thank you so much! And you guys should check out their art. It's so good.
C: It's so good. Like, I commissioned them last week for- well, I guess it'll be several weeks now, but it's like a drawing of Cas and Eileen drinking milkshakes, and it's very, very cute.
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