I don’t know if this me sounding nitpicky but I really wish Vivziepop gave Pentious a more broader/sturdier figure.

Like, Viv is really trying to tell us that an inventor who lived and died in Victorian Era London and who likely built GIANT DEATH MACHINES, looks like copy and pasted Vivziepop twink #2683728373? I’m not buying it.

And to also add to the “making death machines” point, making machines in general, both back then and now, is extremely GRUELING and takes a ton of effort and strength to do. This art is a good example

(Artist: GabendSelarom)

Despite this picture being a print more than anything else, this is a perfect example of what I think he should’ve looked like in the series proper. Pentious having a more broader figure makes sense to me because in both life and death, he’s likely spending HOURS making and forging all of his machinery.

This is all really, if you want to give your opinion, comment or reblog below.

Octavia and Verosika did NOTHING wrong. Octavia has the right to not like her dad who ignored and neglected her in order for his one-sided affair. Verosika has the right to hate Blitzo (to quote my queen Veroska) maxed out her credit card on shitty horse riding lessons and left her to pay for the hotel. Octavia got called a COCK BLOCKING SLUT by one of the CREATORS OF HELLUVA BOSS! And Verosika constantly gets called a bitch, slut, or whore. I love Octavia and Verosika, they have done no wrong and I am taking them from Vivziepop.

Also Verosika looks so good in the outfits the Helluva Boss team puts her in and I’m supposed to hate her? No fuck that I love her so much and she has probably one of the best or the best design out of all the Helluva Boss characters.

Octavia also deserves a better dad. She’s also got an actually pretty cool design, she’s just a little silly who has also has a great voice actor!

Also baby Octavia! She’s so cute :). I love her so much and she deserves so much more than Stolas. AND THEN SHE GETS CALLED A COCK BLOCKING SLUT. SHE’S FUCKING 17. Overall I love them, Octavia is just a little silly and Verosika is my queen.

So, I'm looking at the trailer and hear Stolas say something like this . . .

"This transaction between us . . . i-it's not right anymore. I just want someone to care for."

I'm gonna assume he's talking about the exchange of the grimoire for sex with Blitzo. The deal that HE made in the first place????

Okay, first off- What do you mean, it's not right anymore?? NOT ONCE has it EVER been right! Making someone satisfy your pleasures in exchange for giving them something that's impossible to have and you never intended on giving them in the first place unless it benefits you somehow. That is called EXPLOITATION! Children . . . exploiting someone is NEVER a good thing! No matter how badly you want something to happen, it's never good to make someone do something against their will, and Stolas NEVER considered this! And even if he did, I doubt he would've cared!

Why is he suddenly caring now?

Because this is just another way for Viv to throw another Stolas pity party and she needs some kind of tension between Stolas and Blitzo so that their relationship can feel earned later. I think I have a pretty good feeling on what they're gonna make season two about.

This is gonna turn back into the "Stolitzo show" where we focus on the supposed "romance" between Stolas and Blitzo. How are they gonna go about it? Well, I think what's gonna go down is, instead of Stolas being in the wrong for how he treats Blitzo, they're gonna make the latter the bad guy for how he "treats" Stolas. Because blah blah blah, Blitzo doesn't love Stolas back, blah blah he's not considerate of Stolas's feelings for him, blah blah he's being mean, blah blah, he needs to give Stolas a chance. And at the end of the day, Blitzo is gonna feel all sorry and realize he loves Stolas, he apologizes to Stolas, the two are endgame and they live happily ever after! I'm calling it right now! With the way Stolas said what he said above, he's gonna make it seem like he's trying to reason with Blitzo saying the deal for the book is a bad idea as if HE wasn't the one that called Blitzo that one night and made that deal.

Do Viv or the writers ever THINK before writing these down??

Rhetorical quetion.

Edit (4/29/24) It makes no sense for Stolas to suddenly feel regret for this exchange as well as his feelings for Blitzo because of it. In season 1 he went from "Oh Blitzy! You're so hot! Let's have sex!" to "I'm actually genuinely in love with you Blitzo. Let's not do this anymore. I want to take this seriously." Out of nowhere.

Like-- In episode 6, he was lustful for Blitzo and made out with him by the end of the ep, and then suddenly the next episode, he's feeling all lonely and is innocently having feelings for Blitzo. WHERE DID ALL THAT COME FROM?? There was no ounce of development within those episodes!

The Stolitz duet is funny to me cause how many times is Stolas going to go through the same damn arc of realizing that Blitz doesn’t love him the way he does. First it was the Circus where he was looking at the Instagram photos and sang sadly about how what they had was a lie, then it was in Western Energy where he was reading Blitz’s emotionally closed off texts. In Oops we also see him take full action for the crystal.

Now in the Stolitz duet preview he’s still singing lovey dovey like a princess about how much he can’t wait to see Blitz and even makes him pancakes ect, like putting aside all the retconning and the bullshit Blitz victim blaming, how many times is he going to re enter this state of denial. And then the HB trailer shows him potentially (and finally) realizing Blitz doesn’t like him back so he bashes him for having “no remorse” and even sings a diss track with Verosika about it. And yet in the leaked animatic finale scene, we see Octavia say that he chose Blitz, even Stolas smiling at Blitz after the supposed fight scene, so we already know that whatever “will they won’t they” bullshit rift they have mid season, in the end it won’t go anywhere, just like every other dropped plot point in this show. It’s just for drama and it really makes you realize that Stolas’s entire character exists to be paired with Blitz. His relationship with his wife or his daughter doesn’t matter, isn’t the main focus UNLESS it ties to Blitz. His purpose is to be with Blitz and that’s it, no matter what other character Viv teases will come to take Stolas away from Blitz.

To anyone saying that Viv’s work is declining in popularity:

At the LVLUP expo, the Helluva Boss panel on Saturday was so popular that the main event room filled to capacity within ten minutes of letting people in and several hundred more weren’t able to even get into the panel because it was so crowded

Also the line to see Viv and get her autograph was several hours long.

Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are more popular than ever and will continue to grow, DEAL WITH IT.

It’s funny how initially I didn’t sympathize with Blitzo, but after Vivziepop decided to blame his toxic relationship with Stolas completely on him, I actually do now. He’s still a piece of shit but deserves better than an owl prince who’s obsessed with him and never takes responsibility for his actions, at the very least.

Just like with Stella, Vivziepop's awful writing unintentionally made Blitzo sympathetic and Stolas worse.

Interesting thing I noticed about Viv's designs for hazbin lately: the male characters all look at least kinda like the animal/object/thing they're supposed to be. They all read as what they are. Angel is a big spider, husk is a cat, pent is a snake, Lucifer is a ringleader (alastor isn't great but he does still have animal features technically like horns and the ears).

But the women are just. Human women but slightly changed. Like Mimzy is supposed to be a chicken, Nifty is supposed to be a bug, Cherry is supposed to be a hedgehog, V is supposed to be a moth, Charlie is supposed to be a doll. And all of them have MAYBE one feature that would even suggest being non human. Cherri and Nifty have one eye but otherwise? Just women. V and Charlie? Vs hair and maybe Charlie's cheeks but nothing else suggests they aren't just human women. And Mimzy is the worst offender by far. That's just a human woman. She's got both eyes, no feathers, no beak, no plume. she's just a flapper. A human woman flapper in a universe where you're supposed to drastically change into some creature or object when you're sent to hell.

And I feel like this is just another example of Viv being sexist. She saves her energy and creativity for her male characters while putting zero effort into the designs of the women.

That certainly is…interesting. I think it does show how Viv puts more time and care into her male characters while the females tend to get the short end of the stick. There have been a lot of criticisms of Viv’s character designs and well, I do think some of them are valid.

Like they all scream “ We’re deviantart OCs made by someone with little experience in character design!”.

WARNING: VIVZIEPOP CRITICAL, STOLITZ CRITICAL CONTENT.

I get fairly mean in this one, you've been warned.

I am so sorry, Viv. You can't convince me to see Stolitz as anything beyond a toxic, doomed to fail, train wreck.

I'm SO down for a good toxic ship.

In fact, I found their pilot dynamic far more interesting than the current writing seems to be depicting.

I refuse to feel bad for a man that caught feelings for a childhood """friend""" so hard he ruined his own life. Blitz owes NOTHING to Stolas. He agreed to fuck him so he could run a business that is barely discussed, even though it was the original point of the show.

Does it suck that Stolas had to deal with an arranged marriage that he never wanted with a mean wife? Yeah.

You know what else sucks?

THAT STELLA HAD TO MARRY A MAN SHE NEVER WANTED, AND HAD TO GIVE BIRTH TO HIS CHILD. ALL WHILE HAVING A FUCKING CREEP OF A BROTHER. ALL WHILE BEING TREATED AS A MONSTER BY THE FANDOM THAT CAN'T UNDERSTAND HYPOCRISY IF IT BIT THEM IN THE FACE.

Like yes, she's a cantankerous bitch. But you can't seriously pretend like she isn't also suffering in this relationship. The only difference is she turns her pain into external anger, where as Stolas has been turned into uwu soft bird who can do no wrong.

Even though he destroyed his family in an extremely public way. Octavia is going to have to live with the impact of her father's decisions for the rest of her life. You can't seriously expect me to feel bad for a man that is the agent of his own destruction.

You also can't tell me that Blitz just needs to get over himself just so he can be with a man who's father BOUGHT HIM FOR HIS SON AS A PRESENT.

To reiterate. If this was meant to be read as a terrible toxic arrangement that just keeps happening? I'm down for that. But this is not, and will never be cute or healthy.

Blitz doesn't owe Stolas anything. He keeps up his end of the bargain. It's purely sexual, and just because Stolas can't accept that doesn't make it Blitz's problem.

Stolas needs to learn how to accept rejection and move the fuck on. He knew he would catch feelings and considering he basically has Blitz on a leash, that doesn't make this any less gross.

The fact that he knows Blitz will leave if he's given the power to go to earth on his own proves it.

Blitz has frankly done very little IF ANYTHING to warrant being subjected to this level of obsession on Stolas' part. He's just trying to make a living.

Frankly, if you wanted us to actually think Blitz was interested, you've totally missed the boat with that one. This should have been worked on ages ago and it makes it feel exceptionally rushed and out of character on Blitz's part.

At this point I'm starting to think Fizz and Ozzie are a fluke of good writing in a sea of godsawful shit. Charlie and Vaggie felt like a literal afterthought in their own show. Husk and Angel are so rushed it felt like watching a relationship at double speed. Are we even supposed to think Pen and Cherry are actually a thing? Because if I was Cherry I would have punched Pen for that shit.

Christ. I don't drink but Viv makes me feel like starting.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

And another post.

Oh hey, a new trailer for HB had come out! Stolas is still being woobiefied, nothings unusual [ I will complain about that later ]

And... Oh look, its Satan!

FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO DOESNT LOOK ASS IN HELLVERSE. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT LET US DOWN.

Anywho, moving onto the Stolas part of the trailer... Ugh.

So. Heres another example of Stolizt being portrayed as "Romantic Childhood Friends to Lovers!!!" But... They weren't friends for more than a day.

I also hate how Victim Blame-ish this whole thing. "You dont want me 😭" BITCH OF COURSE HE DOESNT WANT YOU, YOU LITERALLY BACKED HIM INTO A CORNER WITH THAT DEAL.

He's a poor imp that doesn't have a choice but to sleep with Stolas to have his job! Why the fuck the show ignores that?

Cause Vivzie said so? Then fuck Viv for what I care, this isnt romantic or normal!

... I need to take my meds.

Everything about the HB trailer just makes me think "man. So many people would be so happy just to have the time, resources, and money to tell the stories they want to... and instead Vivzie uses her resources and money to make this fujo bullshit. Who needs actual characters and plot when we can watch Stolas cry about how Blitz doesn't appreciate him enough during their transactional predatory relationship"

Who needs compelling stories when you can just turn back an online generation's understanding of consent by 20 years?

I didn’t think it was possible, but Viv managed to find a way to make me hate her writing more than I already did.

Great job Viv.

We finally get Verosika back after 84 years and yet the main focus is how badly Blitz hurt Stolas fuck OFFF.

The Narrative Is Going To Use Blitzo's Shitty Treatment Of Verosika To Validate Stolas' Entitlement To Him

Ok, I can understand Verosika having resentment because again he did take advantage of her because of his insecurities, but Stolas on the other hand really shouldn't be seen as the victim. And just because Verosika was a victim of Blitzo's insecurities doesn't mean Stolas was. Mostly because Stolas started this on the assumption that Blitzo wanted him due to their once childhood meeting. And from there on out Blitzo had to thread a line of keeping Stolas happy so that he could keep his business up. In other words, Stolas should be the one called out but again the damn bird is validated for feeling entitled to have Blitzo return his feelings. They are making it seem he's once again turning down someone who is seen as good for him because of his tendency to shove people away but no it's because Stolas made him feel belittled and trapped and that was valid. We never saw if it was true with Verosika but we did see that many times with Stolas and he has every reason not to return his feelings, while this show makes it seem selfish that he doesn't. Seriously, even if Stolas wanted to give him the crystal to end the original agreement he's not entitled to be loved and wanted. That has to be earned by someone who shows it and he still doesn't get it.

And again it takes away Verosika's own issues with Stolas to bolster this damn ship. She shouldn't be used as a tool to validate Stolas's crap. They both can be connected, but the issue is that Blitzo needs to confront he treated her badly but with his relationship with Stolas it's another monster in itself. Because it's a two street with the blame that should mostly be on Stolas instead of him.

Stolas is currently the main character of Helluva Boss, receiving more screen time than anyone else in the show. Vivziepop is giving him ample attention because she wants to victimize him as much as possible in a poor attempt to make him "sympathetic." 

However, all she's done is make Stolas into the most unbearable character in Helluva Boss, with Blitzo, Octavia, and Stella suffering the most. Instead of exploring the pain he's caused them, the show blames and villainizes them to make him into an "innocent victim" who's "incapable" of doing wrong.

Stolas has become the main character of Helluva Boss, and the worst one because of it.

Does anyone feel like starting an unpopular HH opinion thread here?

To start this off, I prefer Sir Pentious in the pilot over the show. Don’t get me wrong, I still love him and he’s one of the few characters I actually like in this show. It’s just Pentious in the pilot for me is way more enjoyable to me, plus I loved Stumper as him. Not to mention I liked his “Hammy, but dangerous and somewhat competent supervillain” personality in the pilot over the show’s “silly harmless goofball” personality

Also feel free to list your criticisms you have of the show if you do, just don’t harass anyone.