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tangledbea · 5 months

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A Comprehensive Guide to the Thugs in Tangled: The Series

When I watch shows on my computer, I usually have the subtitles on. Because of this, I have learned the names of some of the series thugs who are never addressed, or even never have speaking lines, because the subtitles will inform me who just laughed or grunted or screamed. I've also learned some of them through supplemental reading material.

So, without further ado, here are the names of Corona's criminal Underworld (and surrounding areas). I am including the names of those that we all know perfectly well. After all, it's a comprehensive guide. (Some of them are still unnamed, but I'm going through the episodes when I feel up to it, and will update this post as I discover new things.*)

*Last updated: January 11, 2024 9:23 AM PST

Lady Caine and Her Crew

Lady Caine

The leader of her own band of thugs, with a personal vendetta against King Frederic and Rapunzel, she disguises herself as the Duchess of Quintonia in Tangled: Before Ever After as part of the plot to get inside the palace during Rapunzel's coronation. Implied past linked to Eugene.

Pocket

Lady Caine's right-hand man. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

Axel

Lady Caine's favorite horse and Maximus' #1 nemesis and rival. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

Otter

A hired thug who works for Lady Caine during Tangled: Before Ever After. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

Bandana

A hired thug who works for Lady Caine during Tangled: Before Ever After. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

Dwayne

A thug who idolizes Lady Caine, but also works on his own when not directly hired by her. Helped her escape prison in "Max's Enemy," and had a third of the focus in "Day of the Animals." He's not a very good thief.

Skull Ruffian

A hired thug who works for Lady Caine during Tangled: Before Ever After. (Because his design was based on an old character from a previous version of the movie, I personally call him Crowley.) He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

"Unnamed" Caine Thug 1

A hired thug who works for Lady Caine during Tangled: Before Ever After. Can be spotted in the background in Vardaros. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

"Unnamed" Caine Thug 2

A hired thug who works for Lady Caine during Tangled: Before Ever After. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

The Baron and His Men (and Daughter)

The Baron

A criminal kingpin who operates out of Vardaros. He hired and exploited Eugene and Lance when they were children, and did the same to Kiera and Catalina. Has a personal vendetta against Eugene for "stealing his prized Stalyan." Is bitten by a highly venomous spider at the end of "Beyond the Corona Walls" and isn't seen again until "Flynnpostor," but now is disfigured from the bite.

Stalyan

The Baron's daughter and Eugene's ex-fiancée. She attempts to force Eugene to marry her in "Beyond the Corona Walls". Teams up with Rapunzel in "The Eye of Pincosta" to get a priceless gem that will ensure the freedom of Eugene and everyone else Rapunzel is traveling with during season two.

Anthony the Weasel

The Baron's right-hand man, and our first introduction to this branch of Eugene's past in "The Return of Strongbow." He's sent to collect Kiera and Catalina on behalf of The Baron in "Big Brothers of Corona," and attempts to take over Vardaros in The Baron's absence in "The Return of Quaid." He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas."

Cutter

Sent to collect Kiera and Catalina in "Big Brothers of Corona," he's also one of the thugs to jump Eugene, Lance, and Shorty in Vardaros.

Arkus and Farkus

Twins who work for The Baron, they were sent to collect Kiera and Catalina in "Big Brothers of Corona," and are also at the forced wedding of Eugene and Stalyan. (I am admittedly not sure which is which, since they're always seen together.)

"Unnamed" Baron Thug

One of the thugs to jump Eugene, Lance, and Shorty in Vardaros. (I personally call him Dante, because I think he looks like a Dante.)

Separatists of Saporia

Andrew/Hubert

The leader of the Separatists of Saporia, his goal is to take over Corona in the name of his ancestors, after a marriage between Saporian General Shampanier and Coronan King Herz der Sonne joined the two kingdoms under the name Corona. Introduced in "Under Raps" as Cassandra's love interest, he quickly shows his true colors when he attempts to kill her in order to get the Book of Hearts, which includes maps to all of Herz der Sonne's underground tunnels. Is later to be shown having succeeded in taking over Corona in Rapunzel's absence along with the rest of the Separatists and Varian.

Clementine

A Separatist magic-user who cast a memory spell on King Frederic and Queen Arianna to aid in taking over Corona.

Juniper

A Separatist who helped take over Corona.

Kai

A Separatist who helped take over Corona.

"Unnamed" Separatist of Saporia

A Separatist who helped take over Corona.

Independent Criminals

The Stabbington Brothers

Patchy and Sideburns (nicknamed "Burnsie"), these two have a long-standing history with Eugene and Lance. It's possible that they, too, were taken under The Baron's wing, but that's never canonically confirmed. They hold a grudge against Eugene for double-crossing them with the Lost Princess' stolen crown. They appear in the movie Tangled, "Cassandra v. Eugene," "Peril On the High Seas," and for the final time in "The Return of the King," though a teenage version of them appear in "No Time Like the Past," when their bodies are inhabited by a time-traveling Rapunzel and Pascal.

The Daylight Thieves

Petunia and William are only seen in "Vigor the Visionary," where they are preying upon the town Fortuna. They pose as Kiera's parents, after a case of mistaken identity, since they took over their house, where she found them. Though Eugene and Rapunzel realize who they really are, they arrive on the scene too late to save Kiera and Catalina, since the girls have rescued themselves from the situation.

Dale

Introduced in "Fitzherbert P.I.," Dale disguised himself as The Giovanni, a renowned Italian portrait painter who comes to Corona to paint Rapunzel's first official portrait. He's caught by Eugene before he can escape with the priceless painting of Corona's former king, Robin the Eleventh. He's also on the prison barge in "Peril On the High Seas," where we learn his real name.

The Collector

Hired by Anthony the Weasel in Vardaros during his attempt to take over in "The Return of Quaid". Never says a word, and we never see his face.

"Unnamed" Thug

First seen as a background character in Vardaros, "Peril On the High Seas" is the only other time I remember seeing him.

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casey-wont-eat-paste · 6 months

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Evil little guy is about to poof away

#varian #varian tangled #rapunzles tangled adventure #tangled the series #tangled #saporia #Casey’s art

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nerdasaurus1200 · 4 months

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A part of me feels like this is a slight cover story and Feldspar is actually Saporian and that’s why he speaks it. Granted I don’t think he’s lying about the wing tipped loafer anecdote, I just also don’t think that’s the only reason he knows Saporian.

Also can we talk more about how shoemaking is such an important part of what’s left of Saporian culture that they’s literally famous for it??

#tts #rta #tangled #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure #nerd talks #feldspar #headcanon #saporia

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strivia · 1 year

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I love the idea of seeing Varian's villain outfit as it comes together. Like he gets different pieces at different times, not all of it all at once.

#Varian #TTS Varian #RTA Varian #Tangled the Series #Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure #Separatists of Saporia #my manips

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zonerobotnik · 10 months

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Gotta love the unspoken decision for the Saporians to all back away in unison, silently, while Andrew is bringing out the bomb to throw at Rapunzel's group. Gotta love the unspoken in-joke between Varian and Clementine before Clementine spun the Wand of Oblivium, knowing Rapunzel would recognize it because she was watching them the whole time when Cassandra used it on Rapunzel. Gotta love Andrew setting up a grand entrance for Varian to remind Rapunzel of how badly she screwed up. Gotta love how Varian was perfectly relaxed with the Saporians as they smugly revealed to Rapunzel how they took over the Kingdom. Gotta love how well Varian and the Saporians all fought together like they'd done it several times before. Gotta love how comfortable Varian was with Andrew and Clementine in his lab. Gotta love the unspoken indications that Varian trusted them completely. Gotta love how the Saporians didn't ever actually do anything that could hurt Varian, despite being mad at him for betraying them. Gotta love how Andrew gently tried to reason with Varian that there was no time to complete his alchemy and they had to take drastic measures. Gotta love how Andrew hesitated when he actually DID try to hurt him and in the end pulled him back up instead of dropping him, even when he was knocked into and would've let go in reflex as he got knocked over.

It's a real shame that Chris Sonnenburg hated Varian so much that he couldn't show us this found family on-screen, so all we got is hints of what must've been a wonderful relationship where he felt completely at-ease and never felt wary of being caught goofing off or making mistakes like he does with RAPUNZEL'S group.

#tangled the series #varian #separatists of saporia #found family #fuck chris sonnenburg

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eboyloser · 5 months

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It’s criminal that there aren’t any saporian bandanas on etsy or red bubble. i’m debating making a red bubble account just to make one 💀

#tangled the series #varian #varian tts #saporia #separatists of saporia #Andrew tts #Andrew Saporia

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meechatuck · 6 months

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Dark Kingdom Rising

Here is the next chapter! The infamous chapter that I had posted about previously because this chapter took me literally MONTHS to finish up. It was the combat portion, but it got done nonetheless!

Enjoy!

Warnings: combat, fighting, swearing, discussions of past abuse and trauma

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bee-snail · 1 year

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I know you’re enjoying a LOT of different things while writing Moonrise, but what’s the funnest part for you?

Zhan Tiri.

I love everyone in my story (... almost everyone in my story) but I have my favorite. She is just so so cool and everytime she shows up I feel a surge of inspiration and joy and happiness and MAN all the good stuff. Hector may be my protagonist and I do really love him but writing ZT is my absolute favorite part.

Something I also adore is the Magic Lore. So much to work with and so much to play with!!!! It's so so fun and I love messing around with it!!!! My magic system makes me so happy and I am so excited for the time I can properly explain it in-story !!!

Even the Saporians are fun! They get to indulge in CRIMES and KIDNAPPING and HOSTAGES and like, a mini war. It's absolutely epic.

#tysm for the ask!!!!#moonrise au #tts zhan tiri #tts hector #tts andrew #tts varian #tts separatists of saporia #tangled #tts #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure #tts fanfic #ask response

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imapervertedtangledfan · 11 months

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Who has the biggest dick

#zhan tiri #andrew of saporia #the baron #the stabbington brothers #wreck marauder #varian #pocket #tangled

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captainbrookeworm · 1 year

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i absolutely adore your tts poll so so much. i was just thinking about how wild that show is very recently. kinda shocked that "everyone turns into birds" wasn't on there though 😂😂😂 /j. that is all.

Tbh I always forget about the bird episode because it’s at a point in the series where I’m like “Yep, same shit as always.” Lol

#tangled the series #tts #rapunzels tangled adventure #all of the ones from season 2 are the plot heavy episodes #the stuff from the slice of life episodes are from season 3 #where the fact that there are slice of life episodes at ALL is weird AF #I also very much wanted to include ‘Saporians invented the wingtip loafer therefore all cobblers speak the mostly dead language of saporia’#because wtf #but it’s a throwaway line from the weird treasure hunt episode so like even tts fans would probably not remember it #ask

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twotangledsisters · 1 year

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Check it out

I just realised they took Frederic's necklace with Corona’s crest and gave him the Separatist of Seporians crest.

This is so petty on, I'm guessing, Andrew's part, I love it.

Love these details, though I'm disappointed in myself for not noticing sooner.

#tts #rta #tangles the series #tts saporia #tts saporians #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure

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tangledbea · 1 year

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The Saporians kinda remind me of the Equalists from Legend of Korra, based on how the narrative treated them: an organization that started out with complexity, but was turned into a shallow Big Bad—by doing some horrible thing that was not previously part of the plan for no reason —near the end of its arc. An analysis I read once sums this issue in media up really well: it’s better to start a story out with a simple idea, and gradually develop it more. Otherwise, by starting complex, usually a story will devolve into a flat and sloppy ending as the story needs to be finished.

I might be wrong about the Saporians being complex, as my memories of the show are rusty lol. But I’d like to know what you think, and if there are any other times in TTS that you think fit the idea of a ‘complex idea ending in overly an simple way.’

Holy cow, I've been sitting on this ask since last August. ;o; I'm sorry it took me so long to get around to answering it!

I only watched Korra once, back when it was new, so I don't remember much about how the Equalists operated, other than that they didn't want there to be any benders, or something. I completely agree, that the subplot with the Saporians started out complex and then got turned into "generic Big Bad". Lady Caine got the same treatment. Hell, TBEA implied that she was going to be the overarching recurring villain of the series, and instead she got two returns, both of which landed with her being rearrested.

However, I feel that this is less a case of "a sloppy ending as the story needs to be finished" and more that neither the Saporians nor Lady Caine were ever meant to be the main villain (once the plot was cemented, I can't speak for pre-production). They were the at-home villains Rapunzel had to deal with who weren't completely incompetent while she also had to deal with the bigger issue of Zhan Tiri and Cassandra.

But I felt that both of these groups held some amazing political intrigue, and I think they both would have worked well for a series more geared toward an older audience (who wouldn't be bored with the politics) with a less bombastic plot. When Caine and later the Saporians were introduced as a concept, I thought the series was going to end up being about an attempt to overthrow the crown (which, let's be real, would be difficult to argue with). I thought the two groups were going to team up with Varian in jail, and while we were 2/3 right, leaving Lady Caine out of the mix is almost criminal. She had amazing leadership skills and a cut throat way of handling her enemies that would have made the Saporians nigh unstoppable. (Until internal conflict of who actually got to claim the kingdom down that it was conquered took hold.) I even thought the Saporians would have something to do with Zhan Tiri's release, which would have been far more satisfying, imo.

Anyway, sorry again for the super-late reply.

#Tangled #Tangled the Series #Lady Caine #Separatists of Saporia #TTS #Answered

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tts-celestial-garments-au · 10 months

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So, I have a bit of a fondness for TTS, however, there's been something I've been thinking about recently that I have a bit of a problem with in regards to the show.

In my Celestial Garments AU, there are a lot of POC/POC-coded characters (my biracial ass just can't help it), and when that's the case, I like to double check for harmful tropes by browsing the @/writingwithcolor blog. But whilst doing that and working out the relationships between one of my Black woman characters and Raps, I realized something unfortunate about the show.

While I love multiple of the POC characters we get in the show, I noticed that they perpetuate various unpleasant and negative stereotypes, and some of these tropes even bring down the quality of the show by not doing more with certain characters.

Let's go over each of the POC shown in the series, and analyze if/how they feel into racist tropes:

Xavier:

I love this man, since I like wise, mysterious characters like him. But unfortunately, he is 100% a Magical Negro. Half the time, it feels like he is only there to provide wisdom, advice, and exposition for our white protagonists. And that makes me kinda sad, since you could do a lot more with him, even in very subtle ways. Maybe better show how he is a legitimately respected pillar of the community, and don't always have him go out of his way to help. Instead, he'll just be doing his own thing most of the time, or priorities his fellow commonfolk.

But sadly, in canon, that is not the case. Instead, he mainly just pops up to help the white people. We barely know anything about him as a person or his backstory, nor does he have an arc of his own. He's just the wise old guy who's often delegated to being a plot device rather than a fleshed out character.

Lance:

This disappointed me so bad. Personality wise, I don't see too many problems with how Lance is written, though I could be mistaken. But narratively? Oh boy.

Lance is considered a "major character" and member of the main cast, being present in all three seasons and often accompanying the main group. And yet, somehow, he gets very few singing rolls (despite having an amazing voice), no real arc of his own, and very little time in the spotlight.

Cass has a whole song about "waiting in the wings," but Lance is the true one constantly waiting in the wings. I don't even remember an episode that's all about him. He has room for depth, and yet it's never explored.

He also, to my dismay, is constantly regulated to the "Black best friend" roll more often than not despite having so much potential. What is he often described as? Well, he's Eugene's best friend. That's essentially how he was introduced as in his debut. He's a sidekick, and we never really get to seem him lead during their times together. They are supposed to be partners in crime, and yet we mainly see Eugene taking charge, Eugene coming up with the plans, Eugene telling Lance what to do, Eugene getting the final hit in.

It's never Lance who goes first or makes a plan. I'm fine with characters being more followers than leaders, but in terms of duos, I think they should both be able to lead each other.

Honestly, the fanfic writers are better to him than the show ever was. There are fanfics in which he supports Varian and hangs out with Varian, Catalina, and Kiera, but in those, even when he's supporting Varian, there will be a large part exploring how his backstory has caused him to react this way. He gets depth and emotional intelligence and appreciation from the author and readers.

The show rarely explores his strengths and instead chooses to show his weaknesses and flaws, and whilst characters having flaws is great, you need to balance it out a little. The fandom knows that he has some amazing qualities, but the show never highlights that the way they do for the rest of the main cast.

The only times Lance gets to shine is when he's in a fanfic, and that makes me really fucking sad. And even then, part of his role is to support other people. Whilst I love Varian-Lance friendships in fics, it makes me sad that Lance never gets supported. He's always forced to take care of other people, and I have yet to find any fics where Lance is getting lifted up rather than doing the lifting.

It's just really disappointing and noticeable that they mainly do this to the only MOC in the main cast.

Adira:

If how Lance was handled made me feel bad, it is nothing in comparison to the immeasurable disappointment I feel in regards to how Adira was handled.

She was one of the most interesting characters in the series, to the point that I would 100% want a spinoff just about her travelling around and doing stuff. Many in the fandom have even called her the best character in the show, and I can see why. Which honestly makes how they treated her narratively much worse.

Adira clearly had her own personal goals and backstory, but she is still regulated to being the "mysterious Asian mentor". And worse off, her whole role in the series is to guide the white main character around and support her journey. Adira's whole (barely even finished) arc revolves around Rapunzel, and it feels disappointing. She has so much potential, but she is constantly forced to revolve around the white lead.

And once Adira starts having her own stuff (like the thing with Hector), she's quickly taken out of the story again. And then they don't even manage to finish her plotline properly. She has so much potential, and yet she's constantly being pushed aside.

Kiera:

Not completely stereotypical, which is good. I can't think of any stereotypes she fits into, though it does feel a bit weird that her red-head sister gets an episode around her, whilst Kiera doesn't. But at least she's pretty well written (in my opinion). But, I might be mistaken on the lack of stereotypes, so if any Asian folks have anything to say on her, please add more in the replies/reblogs.

The Separatists of Saporia:

Oh Saporia, you poor, underexplored concept. You had so much potential and were so intriguing, and yet this happened to you.

Other folks have commented on the antisemitic aspects of the Separatists and how they are designed, and since I am not Jewish, I can't exactly comment on that much. But I will believe people on that, and even then, I myself have some complaints to make.

Andrew's race/ethnicity is hard to pinpoint (racial ambigious character alert), but he clearly has a lot of ethnic features and there is no way in hell that he is white. And what is this character's main trait? He is a terrorist who has enslaved an entire kingdom. Not a good look for one of our few MOC in the series.

Juniper is one of the only Black woman in the show, and not only does she have little to no speaking lines, but she is also a violent terrorist and seems to fit the "Angry Black Woman" stereotypes, at least from what I remember. She at least always looks pissed off, which is...a choice.

Kai is a large, dark skinned man who is also part of this group of terrorists. A "Scary BIPOC Man", if you will. Great...out of the few brown/black men we have in this show, basically all of them are either big and muscular, or soldier/warriors. That's nice...

So, out of our very small cast of POC, three of them are terrorists. Fun.

Ruthless Ruth:

She is one of the two Black woman in the series, and god am I disappointed. Literally a "Strong Black Woman", and a violent "barbarian" at that. This hurts my soul. I just- I just can't. I can't deal with this shit. Two out of two of the Black women in the show are violent criminals. Why? Just....why?

Captain Quaid:

This guy is only in one episode, and he seems okay to me. I can't remember too much about him, though, so I can't say for sure. If anyone has any comments on him, please mention them in the replies.

Fernanda Pizazzo:

Not sure how to feel about her, but she's giving me "Romani Fortune Teller" vibes, in like, a bad way. I'm not sure how to describe it, but it's there.

Madame Canardist:

I thought Fernanda was bad, and then I saw this character. Holy fuck.

If there is an outline for how to write an offensive caricature of Romani folks, I'm pretty sure some of the crew read it and used it verbatim for writing her. It would almost be hilarious how stereotypical it is, if not for the fact that this portrayal is deeply harmful. -1000/10, very icky no good.

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So, yeah, I mostly love this show, but the way the characters of color are written/designed is very bad and harmful. They are always either caricatures, bad tropes, or have their potential wasted in order to support the white leads. I hate it, and it adds yet another gripe I have with the show.

I just think it's very important to always acknowledge as a fandom the racism in the show. I'm just glad that the fans are better at writing the show than the showrunners, since ya'll have improved a lot of this stuff in your fanfics and stuff.

I'm not sure exactly how to end this post, I just felt the need to make it, especially the parts about how the narrative handled Xavier, Lance, and Adira. They deserved better.

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nerdasaurus1200 · 7 months

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That reminds me, I like to think that in Saporia, magic is actually very beneficial for those with disabilities. So like if you’re in a wheelchair, you can use magic to move it. Missing a limb? Well you can have a prosthetic forged and never fear cause you can still use magic to hold and carry and move things.

#tts #rta #tangled #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure #nerd talks #saporia #headcanon

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strivia · 2 years

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Varian and Andrew have some baggage to work out and that's that. I stand by them having an at least somewhat genuine friendship, and that the fallout of that isn't something Varian gets over easily.

(If you notice a style change, it's because I took a 2 year break in making this. 😂 )

#Varian #TTS Andrew #Tangled the Series #Saporia #Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure #strivia scribbles #Separatists of Saporia #strivia tries animating

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zonerobotnik · 3 months

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Saw this

the other day and decided to edit it into Andrew for kicks.

#tangled the series #andrew of saporia #picture edit #separatists of saporia

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