Hold up... can we go back to this?

I know, I already addressed how the Putnam thing was completely irrelevant. I already talked about how one of those lawsuits against Kluft was dismissed, and another is under a gag order with no information about it. And I talked about my own skepticism over retractors who report childhood abuse only to deny it later, due to how easy it is for abuser to get to their victims, which raises red flags for me about a lot of the false memory syndrome lawsuits.

What I haven't touched on yet is the quote about Satanic cults. Because having found the source for that, wow! It's truly incredible the lengths people are going to take the words of a DID expert out of context for their ad hominems.

First, here's the part quoted on the ISSTD Wikipedia page

Does that seem like a lot of really suspicious cuts to anyone? Like it's almost intentionally designed to push a certain narrative?

I have shared my perspectives in many professional settings. I grew up under the shadow of the Holocaust, learning more and more about how many nations, including my own, had failed to acknowledge and/or act responsibly in the face of a genocidal disaster. I discovered how those close to the Holocaust were able to rationalize their denials and/or collaborations. Mine is the generation that heard the FBI strenuously deny the existence of organized crime until the very public 1957 Apalachin meeting of Mafia figures came to widespread attention. Then, my generation watched the FBI do an abrupt and embarrassing about face, reversing its longstanding dismissive position. Mine is the generation that had to deal with Vietnam and the American government’s egregious misrepresentation of the reality of the situation there. Further, my generation witnessed its initial denial of the damage done to the young men who served there, and their frequent misdiagnoses as character disordered or psychotic rather than traumatized. My generation watched the estimated frequency of father-daughter incestuous events soar from 1 case per million in 1975 to 1 of 20 biological father-daughter relationships in 1986, and the estimated incidence of therapist-patient sexual exploitation from rare to embarrassingly common. In addition, my generation witnessed the revelation that prestigious mental health professionals had participated in unethical research on human subjects for covert agencies, research that was very destructive to many subjects. Further, as the findings of the Lanning report were becoming known, I was in contact with FBI agents in connection with another matter. I learned that many agents in the field did not believe that the official reports denying many aspects of SRA were honest or accurate.

Faced with these repetitive betrayals of trust and contradictory perspectives from our federal law enforcement agencies, I like many others, could not be comfortable with “authoritative” statements that denied the reality of many aspects of SRA. Strong statements from sources that had undermined their own credibility simply were not convincing-they were just more information to consider. Those who remembered the many dishonesties and betrayals of trust listed above were less likely to accord immediate credibility to a governmental agency’s reporting that organized SRA does not exist. For those who had become aware of the numerous instances of mistreatment that had been denied, rationalized, minimized and otherwise kept secret, it was very difficult to believe that something evil and covert was a priori preposterous.

I have often stated that the vast majority of SRA reports I encountered were not credible, and explained how I arrived at that opinion. In brief, I demonstrated that if the atrocities and grotesque rituals allegedly witnessed by a geographical cluster of patients who were convinced that they had victimized in transgenerational satanic abuse had actually occurred, the county in which they resided would have been depopulated in just over a decade. Their claims simply could not be true. Further, I have expressed my concern that the importance of SRA reports as a derivative expression of more mundane abuses that, if acknowledged, would threaten the attachment needs of these patients, has been sorely underestimated. Many patients found it more tolerable to believe that their abusive families simply did to them what they had experienced when they were young and were carrying on a religious tradition than to believe that they had been mistreated because their abusers wanted to abuse them. This stance both rationalizes their abuse experiences and at least partially exonerates their abusers. However, that being said, it is undeniable that satanic elements are employed at times by those who wish to exploit the power of such materials for the purposes of intimidation and/or to pursue nefarious purposes. They are encountered in the context of organized satanic religion, in idiosyncratic religious or quasi-religious beliefs, and in deviant individuals and/or splinter groups of practices that themselves normally do not endorse such beliefs or practices. They are experienced as symptoms of psychotic/delusional mental disorders. Satanic elements remain problematic realities in many situations.

Basically, at this point, he's not endorsing a belief in any sort of widespread conspiracy or cults. But there is undeniable truth that there are opportunists who will use the label of Satanism to hurt people. (Look at Doug Mesner for example, even if his takes the form of smear campaigns and SLAPP suits.) Just as there are for any other religion.

He feels the vast majority of these reported cases of SRA aren't real, but that there may be some. And this is something he makes clearer in the following paragraph where the OP's quote came from:

I remain troubled about the matter of transgenerational satanic cults. Any scientist or thinker has had to grapple with how difficult it is to prove that something does not exist. I am comfortable in saying that if such situations exist, they exist at a level of far less frequency than was once suspected. That being said, in the mid-1970s, years before the surge of interest in SRA during the 1980s, I encountered situations that involved reports by non-participant eyewitnesses who were neither dissociative nor traumatized patients. In fact, they were without psychiatric illness. I would be dishonest if I allowed the pressures of those with strong convictions that such groups either do or do not exist to push me to endorse either stance. Holmes cautioned Watson, “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” As a corollary, it would be a similar error to follow the model of Procrustes, and cut away facts or stretch or otherwise distort them, discarding them or forcing them to fit a particular model or preconception. I prefer honest uncertainty to false conviction.

All in all, this is a pretty thoughtful and rational take on the whole issue.

SRA is probably rare, but there are some groups who will call themselves Satanists and do abusive things. There are going to be abusive Satanic cults out there in the world because there are abusive cults of every religion.

And being reasonably skeptical of claims from the government is a good thing. Kluft mentions a lot of betrayals of trust from his generation. And those haven't stopped in the time since. A major recent example would be the Iraq war being based on weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist.

Being open-minded and willing to listen to all the facts doesn't make somebody a conspiracy theorist.

(In fact, most conspiracy theorists are incredibly closed-minded.)

What I find increasingly concerning is the Grey Faction and r/systemscringe's consistent lack of moral integrity, and their willingness to continuously take things completely out of context to push their dangerous and ableist agendas.

Lucien Greaves' (Founder of The Satanic Temple) opinion on Jewish people:

(Antisemitism TW)

(Note: I don't agree with this. However, I want the information to be shared as much as possible so that people can make up their own minds on whether they want to support Greaves/TST or not. I recognise that TST as a group does a lot of good, but I personally can't see past this)

“Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fuckin’ frisbie on their head [correct term: yarmulke or kippah] and walk around [and] think their God’s chosen people, but it’s not okay to hate somebody [‘born of Jewish blood’] just because their parents were stupid fuckin’ Jews and wore stupid frisbies on their head and thought the Jews were God’s chosen people […] Not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me, it depends on if they follow the Jewish, uh… […] Satanic Jews are fine”

"Lucien Greaves" and The Satanic Temple have a lot to answer for

When confronted with examples of Doug “Lucien Greaves” Misicko’s pattern of reactionary words and actions over the past two decades, usually, The Satanic Temple’s sycophants offer one of a small handful of stock excuses to deflect and otherwise resist actually dealing with it.

Their most recent tack has been “Lucien Greaves has changed! Actually, ‘The Satanic Temple is a church for imperfect people‘, which is why our religion is great!”— an excuse that exceeds parody but more seriously points to the dangers of what is now required of TSTers by way of loyalty.

And yet as we have said, “When it comes to The Satanic Temple, there’s always more and it’s always worse.”

Starting February 26, the admin(s) behind The.Satanic.Wiki began releasing more clips on Twitter and Kolektiva from audio and corrected transcripts of old Internet radio shows The Satanic Temple’s co-owner Doug Misicko used to make with his friend and longtime collaborator Shane Bugbee, primarily from the incomplete audio of a show called The ABCs of the Alphabet.

This was back when Misicko was using the pseudonym “Doug Mesner” rather than “Lucien Greaves” as he mostly does now.

These conversations—intended for public consumption!—are incredibly bad, but of course all context added to them makes them even worse.

We’ve censored the slurs below, but in the actual audio clips, they are presented as they were said at the time: in full and without obfuscation or shame.

Jump-to links:

“Lucien Greaves” wants to write a “[ableist r-slur] story”

“Lucien Greaves” on the Oklahoma City Bombing and the bad PR of killing children

“Lucien Greaves” talks about “The View” (TV show) and network [n-slurs]

“Lucien Greaves” on Black co-workers and cunnilingus

“Lucien Greaves” talks about the KKK and killing [Jewish people]

“Lucien Greaves” talks eugenics and “who decides”

“Lucien Greaves” on “N-words”

“Lucien Greaves” makes his case for fascism

“Lucien Greaves” really hates Detroit

The Satanic Temple’s co-owner “Lucien Greaves” on public displays of religion like Judaism and Islam

“Lucien Greaves” recalls his pilgrimage to fascist Italy

“Lucien Greaves” talks about arson and high school bullying as Nazi national anthem plays

“Lucien Greaves” on burning down churches (and temples) plus why we should nuke the “Holy Land”

“Lucien Greaves” and the OfficeMax gay Hindu organ harvester “prank call” story

“Lucien Greaves” on domestic abuse (he blames the victims)

“Lucien Greaves” explains the (true) importance of abortion access: “It’s not so much about dead babies as less people”

The titles The Satanic Wiki gave them are fairly short, and it’s often difficult to describe fully all of what makes them terrible. For example, while Misicko is talking about arson and high school bullying, Bugbee plays the Nazi anthem along under Misicko’s story; how do you best emphasize and summarize that?

In any case, if you still have friends who are supportive or otherwise ignorant of The Satanic Temple, and they don’t want to read a long article about it, any of the below clips should encapsulate quickly why these people are not to be trusted.

(For those not up to date, while these clips are from 2003-2004, the issue is that Misicko and Bugbee were close up through 2013 when Misicko tapped Bugbee to help re-launch TST after the first attempt failed, and their leaked emails and gravestone-teabagging stunt together demonstrate how little change had actually happened in that decade. More of that history here.)

pertaining to "lucien greaves" (doug mesner) of the satanic temple—clearly the name lucien is derived from lucifer but do we have any idea what the "greaves" means and where it came from?

Lucien Greaves (also known as Douglas Misicko or Doug Mesner) Douglas Alexander Misicko, born August 1975.

Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome. There is no such thing as false-memory syndrome. He harrasses survivors, and isn’t interested in the truth of SRA and TBMC.

The Danger Behind the “False Memory” Myth

I don’t know where his name came from.

T.W. Anti Semitism/white supremacist

While we’re on the topic of Lucien Greaves, I’ll post to his anti-semitic rant. He’s a white supremacist and The Satanic Temple should crumble into dust.

“Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fuckin’ frisbie on their head [correct term: yarmulke or kippah] and walk around [and] think their God’s chosen people, but it’s not okay to hate somebody [‘born of Jewish blood’] just because their parents were stupid fuckin’ Jews and wore stupid frisbies on their head and thought the Jews were God’s chosen people […] Not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me, it depends on if they follow the Jewish, uh… […] Satanic Jews are fine,” (Adam, “Doug Mesner [Lucien Greaves/Douglas Misicko] Satanic Temple Anti-Semitic Rant” (transcribed).” Source

Another LINK

Oz

This CD contains the ‘hits’ of an old podcast on Radio Free Satan called The Doug Mesner Show. the CD was initially handed out by Doug at the True Crime Warped Minds tour according to Magister Bill M. of the CoS. The CD contains music, inappropriate prank calls, and a sermon.

I think I'm beyond the point of an organised belief system or more far-out philosophical stance than I used to be, like I toyed with the idea of philosophical satanism for a while but learning about how shit the Satanic Temple and LaVeyan Satanism were really soured me on satanism on any level outside of aesthetic. Like fuck it I'll be a poser and dig satanic imagery while being actively critical of the institutions and foundational texts of the wider satanic/pagan movement. I'll respect the people and their own belief and adherence to an idealised version of that, but my belief in any of it, even as a transgressive counter-cultural movement, is gone.

Like for a while I just discussed satanism as a concept and talked about the tenets and how it can be a tongue-in-cheek reaction to organised religion that reflects and contrasts and is empowering and all that, and then it turns out one of the guys behind The Satanic Temple, Doug Mesicko or Doug Mesner or whatever his fucking name is, had a pro-eugenics website until very recently, chose to platform KKK members for years and is generally a very shitty, antisemitic gloryhog.

Like satanism as it exists today is a hokey novelty that some carnie came up with, and now the leading satanic org in the world take people to court because they have a copywrited version of Baphomet. It's a con, and it took the wind out of my sails, especially as more people championed TST on the grounds of religious freedom despite their consistently terrible track record in winning court cases for civil liberties.

Pro-Satan, pro-666, pro-power to the people, pro-transgression. That shit belongs to everyone. But my stance to any sort of institutionalization of that is that it should be burned to the ground. Nothing good comes from a counter-cultural institution. It's an oxymoron.

If You Hail Satan, Come Correct

Woof.  I wanted to like The Satanic Temple and Lucien Greaves, but I randomly came across the real scoop on what low-down fash-friendly piles of shit they really are.  Representing myself as satanic, I feel the need to address this, and while I’m at it, help fix some of the harm they are doing in the world.

To start with, I need to make clear that I do not believe every member of TST is fascist or a scumbag.  Some just haven’t gotten the facts yet, and some who have feel too invested to acknowledge the truth.  To those of you who are good people, I hope you work things out.

But I also hope you can realize you don’t need TST and can represent Satan in your own ways.  There is absolutely nothing stopping you from walking away from TST en masse and starting your own Satanism.  Maybe it starts small, a facebook group or a twitter account, but it can turn into something just as big and certainly better.

Eugenics and Nazi Friendliness

I was ill-informed and had little idea that modern satanists were so cozy with antisemitism and nazism until I fell down this unfortunate rabbit hole.  What in the name of Hell is the point of rejecting Christ only to wallow in the shit ideals of his worst fanboys?

Lucien Greaves has made some half-assed apologies for antisemitic comments made on a radio show in 2003 as that came to light recently, and in the narrow context of that clip one could think of his comments as being more antitheist than antisemitic – he was saying jewish religious belief is his problem and jewish blood is not, in disagreement with the hosts of the radio show he was on.

But broaden that context just a little bit more, and things look much worse.  Why did he not rebuke the whole proceedings when his pals on the show went full sieg heil?  Why didn’t he bail?  Because he knew they were nazis going in, and he was OK with that.

The show itself was the “Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special” in honor of a new printing of racist / antisemitic book “Might is Right” – and Greaves (as “Doug Mesner”) was invited because he illustrated the book. Whatever terms or qualifiers he’s used for it (he had a site called “dysgenics” as late as 2018), Greaves has wholeheartedly endorsed eugenics on many occasions.  As recently as the founding of The Satanic Temple ten years after his appearance on that show, he was willingly associating with and involving the sieg heiling host of that very broadcast.

(Quick aside – the event hosts may or may not have identified as nazis and they didn’t actually say “sieg heil” but I don’t give an earthly shit about distinguishing between flavors of antisemite and the finer points of their ideologies.  Another guest on the show was prominent KKK figure Tom Metzger – in a segment of the show Greaves (Doug Misicko in the transcript) happily participated in.  Y’all are nazis; eat shit and die at your soonest convenience, thanks.)

Anyone who would oppose the hypocrisies and injustices of cultural christianity has to decide for theirself what they will propose in the wake of christianity’s defeat.  Because you’re not going to defeat xtianity at large, of course (only they can do that to themselves lol), but you are going to win some hearts and minds away from the pews and pulpits.  What are you giving them in exchange for what they’ve given up?

For some opposing xtianity is enough, like dictionary atheists who are iconoclasts without a care.  LaVey was in the pitiful thrall of Ayn Rand and his satanic bible owes its soul to her “objectivism.”  His Church of Satan and the satanic movement generally from that point on carried those values of cruelty and greed forward.  This was the movement from which Greaves emerged, only differing in that he was more fully atheistic than his predecessors.  Or maybe just more ableist.  From what I’ve seen, ableism was always his biggest hobbyhorse.

OK, greed as a value does seem to oppose the charity spoken of by Jesus, so satanic, right?  Wrong.  If we were just going to oppose xtianity as described in the bible, maybe.  But I don’t give a fuck about that.  I want to oppose xtianity as it is practiced in my culture, and all the harm it does – most of which is fueled by greed.  If you’re not doing that – fighting for the ability of people to enjoy life, fighting oppression – what’s the fucking point?

In their stances on gay rights and reproductive rights and religious freedom, The Satanic Temple has lured in thousands of progressive people – taken their time and money.  But was this truly deserved?  The organization is rotten at its core for the same reason the gnu atheist movement was: the founders centered ableism, the ability to feel superior to the “stupid” xtians, which is just about the quickest path to eugenics and nazism.

To this day, there are high ups within TST that have a history of consorting with nazi clowns like Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannapolis.   TST have gone on record as being anti-antifa, and you know what you get when those antis zero out.

Reproductive Rights People Hate Them

Just because anti-abortion scumbags have had a great deal of success lately does not mean that the defenders of reproductive health have been failing at their jobs, only that fascists have been achieving horrific victories across the board.  But The Satanic Temple has opted to use that messaging to suck up activist dollars – to claim “We must accept the fact that traditional efforts to protect reproductive rights have failed.”

And what are they doing with the pro-abortion activist dollars?   They’re acting like $cientology in the way they veer between saying they’re a religion and denying that depending on what’s most advantageous in a given financial or legal situation, and not being at all transparent about where the money goes.

SLAPP Suit

All these issues and more led some Satanists in my part of the country to rebel, to make public critique of the organization.  The law protects criticism of religious organizations, but they’re still suing for business harm – a business when it suits them, a religion when it doesn’t.  The apostates are just regular people facing tens of thousands of dollars in legal expenses they can’t afford.  It’s a SLAPP suit working as intended, and you can see why I might find that something worth fighting against.

Support the Queer Satanic Apostasy.  Help defend them against the SLAPP suit.

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There's a lot of talk rn about how The Satanic Temple are making headway in protecting abortion under religious freedom laws, and on one hand it's like "fuck yeah satanism rules" in a funny irreverent way and it gives people hope in a hopeless situation and stuff - but on the other hand, there's more to The Satanic Temple to consider before jumping headfirst into representing their party line.

This isn't a knock against Satanism, like I live in a culture that's been heavily influenced by Christianity and I value the philosophical and satirical values of Satanism as a counterpoint to a powerful institution that informs my day to day life. I'm interested in Satanism.

Rather, this is a knock on The Satanic Temple as an organisation.

I follow a blog called queersatanic who's one of four people being sued by TST. They've basically been hit with a SLAPP suit, and in lieu of having anything to go forward with, The Satanic Temple are stretching the case out for as long as they can to inconvenience these people. queersatanic does a lot of coverage on TST.

Here's the thing about The Satanic Temple:

They fucking suck in court, and they pull stunts like this to get eyes on them for the sake of getting more funding and more members.

This whole "abortion as a satanic ritual to use religious freedom laws against the people abusing them for conservative means" angle is a fun thought, but there's no precedent in practice. The Satanic Temple has gone to court twice about this, and they've lost both times.

And yet they advertise on this idea, like "become a Satanist to have an abortion under religious freedom laws!", despite knowing full well that's not a reality yet. It might never be a reality, because they keep losing in court.

If they can do that? That's a net good. I'm not shitting on the ploy itself, if it goes through I'm going to be happy. But for all their bluster, it hasn't happened yet and they've already tried twice.

The reason why this is such a sticking point is because they have a history of being litigious for the sake of bothering others, or to get attention. As much as it might serve a noble end, this is free advertisement in the same way their failed Sabrina lawsuit was.

Much like the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina lawsuit over the Baphomet statue, I think this is a publicity ploy. It's a scummy org using the situation as a recruitment drive.

Here's why I think that's the case.

A while back, The Satanic Temple tried to advertise that by joining the temple, your right to reproductive health would be guaranteed under religious freedom laws. The billboard company they went to said that they wouldn't put the ads up, because they weren't accurate.

The Satanic Temple sued them on the grounds of religious discrimination.

They tried to advertise under false pretenses, and they sued when they weren't allowed to. And it got them a bunch of coverage.

queersatanic and a bunch of other people are kicked out and sued for making pro-BLM posts on TST accounts? Not a peep. One is good publicity, one is bad publicity.

Speaking up about their efforts to make abortion a religious "ritual" in the wake of Texas's criminalisation of abortion? Good publicity.

Like I don't doubt that they want abortion being a religious freedom under the TST to be the case, and if they can get this through the courts, it's undeniably a blow to the religious right who've criminalised abortion. But I don't have faith in The Satanic Temple, because I think they're a shitty org doing this for attention and potential revenue than anything else.

And on that note - Doug Mesner, known professionally as "Lucien Greaves". One of the co-founders of The Satanic Temple.

In 2013, he was on a podcast to discuss a reprinting of a book called Might is Right. This book is popular in white supremacist circles, and The Satanic Bible - a book attached to an earlier form of Satanism known as LaVeyan Satanism - takes a lot from it. You can read about this podcast here.

During this podcast, a man named Tom Metzger comes on and starts dropping a ton of antisemitism.

Tom Metzger was in the KKK. I say "was" because he died recently.

He explicitly says "if you're Jewish, I'm not breaking bread with you", then starts talking about bloodlines. Doug Mesner tries to defuse the situation by calling himself an Aryan king, and then lets his co-host's wife talk at length, uninterrupted, about how she thinks the Holocaust is overstated.

Later on, Doug Mesner begins talking about eugenics, which he supports. His co-host's wife starts dropping blatant racism towards black people off the back of this. No-one moves to refute this or be like "woah", they just let this shit air out.

This co-host was Shane Bugbee, who's a co-founder of The Satanic Temple with Doug Mesner.

So we have a guy shilling for a book that's big in white supremacist circles, talking to a KKK member about holocaust denial and how it's okay to hate jews - direct quote from Doug Mesner, by the way - who also expresses support for eugenics. We have another guy whose wife is a virulent racist and holocaust denier.

These men started the Satanic Temple. These are its figureheads. And they can say "that was in 2013, I'm not like that any more" - but they had a pro-eugenics website up until 2017, and they kicked four people out of the group and sued them on trumped up charges following a string of pro-BLM posts made on social media. Those four people are still in court.

And like I get it - the thought of a group using religious freedom laws to legalise abortion is a beacon of hope in a very dark time for reproductive rights. But I'm making this post because people should be more informed on The Satanic Temple. It's a measure of hope, and I don't blame people for latching onto it. But this is a situation where you should look behind the curtain a bit.

Like I said before, I'm cool with Satanism. This isn't a refutation of Satanism - I think it's a really cool philosophy, and I think the stated goals of progressive satanic orgs are great.

Satanism makes for a great troll against the religious right, and you can use Satanism to criticize and dissect institutional religion. And yet there's nothing explicitly theistic or anti-theistic about Satanism - it's not a cheap trick you can pull to justify bigotry, though I'm sure that there are people who do. Satanism is basically a postmodern take on religion. I'm into that.

But The Satanic Temple has a lot of baggage that people should know about. This push to make abortion a religious act is one way of fighting a tyrannical piece of legislation that's completely fucking evil, but let's look at The Satanic Temple's track record. Because it belies a shallowness, a kind of shock-jock mentality, mixed with hypocrisy.

Love the action, hate the org. That's my stance on this, and this post has been an explanation of why I feel this way.

As everyone knows, there are many questions surrounding Scalia’s death, but none of them – in my opinion – are the right ones. I DO believe that Scalia was murdered, but it wasn’t an assassination like many people are assuming. Scalia was brought down by his own behavior – and he is definitely not going to be the only one.

Why did Scalia leave his detail of protection, fly to Texas, and go to a place that was an hour from the rest of civilization? No police, no media – and the only people who stay at the 600 dollar a night dump are rich people. I have seen pictures of the rooms, and they don’t look any better than your local Super 8 motel rooms – so why are the rich flocking to this place? And why this rush to not have an autopsy, and to declare that Scalia died of natural causes? Most everyone has seen a problem with this – but they don’t understand what is happening.

Scalia liked to fuck little boys. I know this from personal experience – as he was one of my primary abusers as a child and was one of the HEADS of the cult that abused me. He was a vile man who was such an extreme sadist that I find it hard to give words to his voracious appetites. I hated this man in ways that I can’t begin to explain, and he rivaled Michael Aquino in my abuse as a child. That is why Heaven reached out and claimed him – and I can assure you, he isn’t going to be the only one.

Doing what Scalia did is exactly what OTHER pedophiles do when they drive two or three states over to have sex with children. Who goes that far – an hour away from everyone – just to stay ONE NIGHT? He wasn’t having meetings at this dump – in fact, the official story is that he had dinner with people and then retired early. Why? Because he went there to fuck a 13-year-old boy who, in turn, slit his throat. That is why there has been so much secrecy surrounding this situation – why the family was SO EAGER to not have an autopsy done. They don’t want anyone to know the details surrounding this pedophile’s last moments, and they are doing everything they can to keep anyone from finding out – and for good reason.

This ranch, far away from everyone and everything, that only caters to the rich, is a pedophile brothel, I believe. The rich are able to go fuck little children here – and because it is so remote, and so far away from police and everything else, it has been able to remain secret. Until now, that is. Scalia’s actions directly mirror every other pedophile that travels long distances just for an illicit sexual encounter with children. He figured he could go, have a night of sex with a child, and return back to his life – with no one being the wiser. Obviously he was wrong. And the reason why no one around him wants an autopsy to be done is because when people discover that his throat was slit, everyone is going to want to know how and why. That is why they are so anxious to bury him and ignore his death, and that is why so much effort is going into feeding outrageous stories that keep the public ignorant and discombobulated.

The fact is, Heaven is reaching out and claiming these cult leaders – and Scalia is far from the only one who is about to be claimed. In fact, I predict that in the coming days, we all are going to see Warren Buffett and George Bush Sr. claimed in horrible ways as well, as well as Michael Aquino. All of them are going to be claimed – and very soon no one is going to question why. They stood in direct opposition to Heaven – and now they are getting their just rewards. And NO ONE is going to be able to stop this.

What I was trained to do as a child is REAL, and it WORKS. Unlike their little poster child Doug Mesner/ Satanist Lucien Greaves, I don’t have to wear stupid horned hats, or do ridiculous little rituals, and I certainly don’t have to publicly expose my privates; I just have to focus. And I have – FOR YEARS. The result of my efforts is that this group is going to be blessed with the very separation from God that they have demanded all of their pathetic lives. The darkness is getting ready to claim them. And they are all going to die with the same overwhelming fear that Scalia experienced right before he was claimed. I have told Aquino repeatedly that they taught the wrong person their shit – and now they are beginning to realize the truth of what I have been stating. And no little ritual, no incantation, no sacrifice, is going to stop what is coming for them.

Whether the public ever finds out the truth about Scalia’s death is totally inconsequential. Those who have been involved with this KNOW the truth concerning what I am saying. And rest assured, the darkness has them in mind, and they are going to be claimed – regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. And they are WELL AWARE OF THIS. I have said this before and I will say it again: it isn’t a good day to be a devil worshiper, because what is about to claim them is worse than any hell anyone can imagine. They have invoked the WRATH of Heaven – and now they are all about to get their just rewards, and Scalia is just one example of the shit that awaits them.

But again, don’t take my word for it. Just sit back and watch. Soon all of us will see the truth in what I am saying. Even now, they are having a hard time understanding how Scalia could have been murdered. How did the knife get into the 13-year-old boy’s hand – how was he able to slit Scalia’s throat? Because it was DIRECTED by Heaven and was a result of divine intervention – and it stands symbolically as an example of what is about to happen en masse. He was murdered because Heaven WILLED it – and Scalia is not going to be the only one. Not by a LONG SHOT.

“The Satanic Temple Fact Sheet” (Essay by Reverend Joel Ethan)

The Satanic Temple is a self described "Yes Men" styled satire/activist group that uses satanic-themed imagery and language to get media and public attention. They are not Satanists, do not have shared “deeply held beliefs” and are unrelated to Satanism, a globally recognized religion founded in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey.

SOME FACTS TO CONSIDER:

In 2013, Spectacle Films ran ads looking to cast characters for a mockumentary about a fake religion, that film was to be titled “The Satanic Temple” — the casting director was listed as “Lucien Greaves.”

[newsbusters.org | doubtfulnews.com | miamiherald.typepad.com | ritualabuse.us]

Launched in 2013, The Satanic Temple’s (TST) website claimed to believe in and worship a literal Satan. The TST trademark filing contains documents that have these claims as well.

[web.archive.org | bizapedia.com]

TST Co-founder Malcolm Jarry (not his real name) has stated that TST was originally conceived as a backlash to US President Bush-era “religious protections.”

[nytimes.com]

Now credited as co-founder and spokesperson, “Lucien Greaves” is in fact a character that has been played by several people, including an unnamed actor, Shane Bugbee and currently by Doug Mesner (not his real name). Shane Bugbee was paid by Spectacle Films for his work with TST. There is a yet unnamed 3rd TST co-founder.

[shanebugbee.com]

In a 2013 Vice interview “Doug Mesner” says that TST is satire and states that it is “like a darker Yes Men.”

[vice.com]

In a 2014 Village Voice article “Malcolm Jerry” is outed as the filmmaker Cevin Soling, owner of Spectacle Films.

[villagevoice.com]

Spectacle Films has documented most major TST public events.

[duckduckgo.com]

10 years before TST, “Doug Mesner” produced illustrations for an edition of Might Is Right, published by Shane Bugbee (who was a Church of Satan member at the time) with an introduction by Anton LaVey, founder of the CoS, and afterword by Peter H. Gilmore, current High Priest of the CoS. Originally published in 1890, Might Is Right is cited and paraphrased in LaVey’s 1969 book The Satanic Bible, which is universally accepted by religious scholars as the founding document of the religion Satanism. In the following years “Mesner” would often appear on Radio Free Satan, an internet radio show closely connected to the CoS.

[archive.org | shanebugbee.com | cimminneeholt.com]

The original TST website listed Neil Bricke as the founder. This was apparently a smear campaign that was removed a few months later, as Neil Bricke is actually the founder of SMART, who has had a longstanding public feud with “Doug Mesner,” an alias used since the mid 1990’s by Douglas Misicko.

[ritualabuse.us | returntothepit.com | ritualabuse.us | web.archive.org]

“The Satanic Temple” is a registered Trademark of United Federation of Churches LLC, which is listed as registered to Douglas Misicko, 519 Somerville Ave., No 288, Somerville, MA 02143-3238. Reason Alliance LTD is a religious non-profit also registered to Douglas Misicko at the same address.

[bizapedia.com | bizapedia.com/ma/united-federation-of-churches-llc.html | irsexempt.com | taxexemptworld.com]

Reason Alliance LTD paid bills for, and provided 501c3 documentation in support of, TST’s After School Satan Club in Seattle, however their own website claims they do not believe religious organizations should be tax exempt.

[judicialwatch.org | judicialwatch.org | freebeacon.com | afterschoolsatan.com]

Original TST “High Priest” Brian Werner states in his 2014 resignation video that TST is a political organization that has nothing to do with Satanism. Werner claims the actual people behind TST have no interest in or connection with Satanism, a claim echoed by Bugbee.

[youtube.com | shanebugbee.com]

TST spokespeople are on record saying you do not have to be a Satanist to join TST, you simply need to support their political efforts.

[brokeassstuart.com]

The Oklahoma 10 Commandments monument case was won by ACLU representing two Christians opposed to the monument. TST and its Baphomet monument were not involved with the case, however they claimed victory publicly, an intentionally confusing narrative picked up by many media outlets. This tactic has become MO for the TST.

[acluok.org]

BACKGROUND CONTEXT ON TST

Misicko aka “Mesner” (as “Lucien Greaves”) has claimed The Satanic Temple has no shared lineage with the Church of Satan, though he was publicly associated with many Church of Satan members and projects in the decade before The Satanic Temple launched. TST uses imagery and language obviously inspired by well-documented Church of Satan publications and trademarks, that are different enough to avoid legal issue but similar enough to cause public confusion. Indeed, The Satanic Temple is often referenced by the media as the Church of Satan, and there is evidence of people joining The Satanic Temple thinking they have joined the Church of Satan. (youtube.com). Occam’s razor would suggest this is not unintentional. It should be clear by examining their site and public statements that The Satanic Temple has no consistent nor “deeply held beliefs” and is not practicing the globally-recognized religion of Satanism established by LaVey in 1966, rather it uses the term Satanism and popularly associated imagery as a means to get attention from the media. It’s also entirely plausible that Spectacle Films is still in production of the feature length mockumentary for which they began casting in 2013.

SATANISM AS A RECOGNIZED RELIGION

Satanism as a religion and philosophy was first codified in 1966 when Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan. Prior to this, the terms "Satanist" and "Satanism" were used primarily as insults and a means for condemnation as heresy by Christians without any specific definition. Religious scholars are in agreement on this point and while many people have claimed knowledge of long standing “secret Satanic traditions,” no evidence has ever been put forth to confirm these statements. These claims have been researched and carefully examined and are considered fraudulent by the academic community.

As Satanism is a recognized “New Religious Movement,” it's important for an understanding of what is and what is not Satanism to be maintained. “The Satanic Panic” in the 1980s-90s is evidence of a willful distortion of this religion as the concept of a conspiracy of murderous “satanists” was promoted primarily by evangelical Christians and taken-up by the media worldwide. Law enforcement debunked the claims of the evangelists but not before many people had become victims of false accusations of ritual child abuse, sacrifice, and kidnapping.

Some Christians—despite the five decades of a clearly defined belief system called Satanism expounded by a worldwide organization—still use this term to reference any acts or beliefs they consider to be “evil” or simply contrary to their own beliefs. Ill-informed members of law enforcement agencies and journalists, often believers in some form of Christianity, also continue to misrepresent the religion of Satanism. If the definition of Satanism is not kept clear, any unstable or insane person working from a Christian context could claim their actions were due to self-termed “satanic beliefs,” thus criminally implicating actual open adherents of Satanism to the public at large, people who are not generally familiar with the beliefs and tenets of religious Satanism. The recent case of murderer Amanda Barbour, who along with her boyfriend murdered one person but claimed to have murdered many others as part of an interstate “satanic cult,” is another example.

The Church of Satan works publicly to maintain a clear understanding of the atheist, individualistic, and law-abiding nature of Satanism and regularly consults with law enforcement as well as journalistic researchers and academicians to this end.

Hi!

First: Lucien Greaves sucks, fuck him and all DID/plurality denialists.

That established, why do you not only insist on exclusively using his given name (Doug Mesner), but also accompany your valid criticism with mocking his chosen name?

Is it because Lucien Greaves is not a "normal" name? Do you deem a name he chose for himself not his "real" name? Are you against him having two names?

Aside from the fact that it's pointless to criticize him for something harmless when you can (and do) criticize him for the actual harm he does, all of these potential justifications for it cause collateral damage by throwing other totally innocent people under the bus (namely trans people and people from cultures whose traditions around names are different from yours).

I don't see these as comparable.

As I understand, Lucien Greaves isn't his chosen name. Or, to be more exact, Lucien Greaves is a stage name. A pseudonym. Like how Dwayne Johnson might call himself The Rock. In his personal life, Doug is Doug and always has been. Lucien Greaves is a name he uses specifically to protect him from social repercussions for his actions. (He's basically said as much.)

Doug wants a persona to be able to troll and toss SLAPP suits at people and ruin their lives. He wants to profit off of the suffering he causes, and still be able to go back home as Doug.

From what I've found, his actual name might actually be Doug Misicko and Doug Mesner is yet another pseudonym. Which, yeah, Mesner sounds like something he would choose too. But I'm not totally sure due to misinformation flying around about him. Or maybe disinformation to muddy the waters and further obfuscate his history.

And the specific name "Lucien Greaves," like everything else, is one intended to provoke a reaction. It's meant to sound like a movie villain. A pathetic man trying to make himself appear bigger and grow his reputation. Lucien Greaves is not a name, it's a trademarked brand owned by the United Federation of Churches LLC and a shield designed to protect him from those he harms.

The Satanic Temple's co-owner "Lucien Greaves" makes his case for fascism

Via The.Satanic.Wiki

On Sept. 11, 2003, future co-owner of The Satanic Temple Doug “Lucien Greaves” Misicko, his friend and collaborator Shane Bugbee, and Shane Bugbee’s wife Amy Stocky hosted a 24-hour Internet radio stream with guests and callers to mark the release of their new edition of the proto-fascist manifesto Might Is Right. The following year, Doug Misicko continued to appear on Internet radio streams with Shane and Amy. “The ABCs of the Alphabet” was one such program. This is an excerpt from one of those recordings.

CW: anti-Black racism, n-word slur, white nationalist symbolism, fascism

Full transcript:

12:01 Doug Misicko

Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has 'em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has 'em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see "fuck" on the wall. I never see "[n-slur]" written on a wall.

12:13 Shane Bugbee

Interesting.

12:14 Doug Misicko

When I was in Italy, I didn’t see "[n-slur]" anywhere.

12:17 Shane Bugbee

But you went to the fascist leader’s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-

12:21 Doug Misicko

I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don’t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. A circle with just the crosshairs in it. With… little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, nice area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference.

12:54 Amy Bugbee

Wow, that’s crazy.

12:56 Doug Misicko

Well, I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason...

13:01 Amy Bugbee

And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?

13:04 Doug Misicko

Uh, in Italian it says “you’re with us, or you’re against us.” And it was- it’s a- It’s a fascist shirt. It was a fascist logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D’Annunzio’s palace.

13:19 Shane Bugbee

And who is that again?

13:21 Doug Misicko

He was a- y’know- he was like the first fascist. He was the godfather of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet... Good deal.

Hey! I was reading the post about Doug Mesner and how you mentioned “the satanic temple should crumble to dust”. I’m an SRA survivor and I’ve met some folks who belong to TST and have really lovely values. I struggle with reading through all the articles on Lucien that I’ve come across and the resources explaining safety and TST. I was wondering if you could clarify why TST is bad? Can people be s*tanists and still be safe?

A vast majority of people who are satanists don’t abuse people and would abhor abuse done in the name of their belief system. This applies to people who belong to the TST as well.

One issue I think you should be aware of as a survivor of SRA is Lucien Greaves runs a site where he denies SRA occurs. It’s called Grey Faction and he activly harrasses survivors.

Former members of The Satanic Temple

Orgies, Harassment, Fraud: Satanic Temple Rocked by Accusations, Lawsuit

Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves: the huckster behind the Harvard Black Mass and similar shams

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Neil Brick’s conference presentation transcripts:

Neil Brick – Survivorship Conference 2017 – How to Avoid Being Mind Controlled at a Conference https://youtu.be/GGoaYw3pEZs Neil Brick – Survivorship Conference 2017 – Freedom from Mind Control https://youtu.be/SxBO2HU4R_M

How to Avoid Being Mind Controlled at a Conference and Freedom from Mind Control – 2017 Presentation by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/how-to-avoid-being-mind-controlled-at-a-conference-and-freedom-from-mind-control/ Topics include: Neil Brick, Satanic Temple, Grey Faction, Doug Mesner, Lucien Greaves, mind control, propaganda, hypnosis, ritual abuse The Urban Legends of Those Attacking Ritual Abuse Theories and the False Logic of False Memory Proponents and Their Occultist Supporters – Presentation at the 2016 Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference Second half of the article discusses the Grey Faction, a part of the Satanic Temple and Lucien Greaves/Doug Mesner.   http://neilbrick.com/articles/the-urban-legends-of-those-attacking-ritual-abuse-theories/ How to Avoid Being Mind Controlled at a Conference  http://neilbrick.com/articles/how-to-avoid-being-mind-controlled-at-a-conference/ The Battle to Stop Ritual Abuse by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/the-battle-to-stop-ritual-abuse/ Doing the right thing and getting stronger at the same time, a survivor’s path to recovery and helping others by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/doing-the-right-thing-and-getting-stronger-at-the-same-time-a-survivors-path-to-recovery-and-helping-others/ Recent Child Abuse Crimes and Efforts to Unite Survivors by Neil Brick  http://neilbrick.com/articles/recent-child-abuse-crimes-and-efforts-to-unite-survivors/ Always Getting Stronger: Giving Survivors a Voice in the World by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/always-getting-stronger-giving-survivors-a-voice-in-the-world/ The Myth of Panic – Exposing Theories Used to Cover Up Ritual Abuse Crimes by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/the-myth-of-panic-%E2%80%93-exposing-theories-used-to-cover-up-ritual-abuse-crimes/ Fighting the Spin : The Truth about Child Abuse Cases by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/fighting-the-spin-the-truth-about-child-abuse-cases/ The Move from Blame the Victim to Blame the Helper by Neil Brick http://ritualabuse.us/smart-conference/2010-conference/the-move-from-blame-the-victim-to-blame-the-helper/ Ritual Abuse, the trenches of the stopping child abuse movement by Neil Brick http://neilbrick.com/articles/ritual-abuse-the-trenches-of-the-stopping-child-abuse-movement/ Debating The Non-Believers – Getting equal time for Survivors’ Views by Neil Brick  http://neilbrick.com/articles/debating-the-non-believers-getting-equal-time-for-survivors-views/

So last year I had a brief fling with satanism. Not like ritual murder or any of the Satanic Panic talking points that were blown up in the 90's, but the philosophical viewpoint of Satan as a bringer of knowledge and as a martyr. Satan as a counterpoint to God, as a challenge to Christianity and to the culture I was brought up in. As a challenge to power structures inherent to Christian society. I thought it was an interesting rabbit hole to go down, and I found a good blog for it called queersatanic.

queersatanic was probably the best place I could have wound up to play out my satanism phase, because it was through their posts that I learned about The Satanic Temple and how fucking awful they are. The lead guy, Doug Mesner, is an antisemite and pro-eugenics - and I'm not talking about Tumblr receipts, I'm talking about entire archived podcasts where the guy says outwardly anti-Semitic things and rubs elbows with a known Klan member, and a pro-eugenics website that the guy maintained and shilled that was up until around 2019.

queersatanic was a former TST member who posted pro-BLM and pro-antifa content on the Facebook pages of their local TST chapter, only for them to be booted out of the church and slapped with a defamation lawsuit along with several other people. Since then, they've been unraveling The Satanic Temple's different businesses - because TST is registered as a business with multiple companies below them - and calling attention to how they supposedly champion abortion as a religious freedom, but how they've lost every case they ever attached themselves to - including cases involving real people who The Satanic Temple co-opted, expanded the scope of and subsequently lost for all those people.

I'm still so mad because I thought that a philosophical take on satanism was cool, a satirical religion preaching self-love and the rejection of power structures and users, only to learn that the largest Satanic organisation at the moment is a corrupt bastardization of those ideals, co-opted by bigots who share the same texts as actual white supremacists.

And you have so many people going "no they're good they're fighting for reproductive rights, you're thinking of LeVeyan satanism!" - which, granted, is its own unique brand of fucked up - but they don't realise the long chain of bigotry and abject failure stemming from a company positioning itself as a religion that's antithetical to institutional abuse, only to abuse defamation lawsuits to gag people and encourage bigotry and eugenics from the top down. Who say that they're the only hope of providing reproductive rights under the banner of religion when they not only keep failing, but they lie about their failures to keep people signing up.

In my opinion? Fuck orgs entirely. Sick of people going "yeah power structures breed corruption, join our organisation!" only for - surprise - that organisation with a power structure to be corrupt in the end.

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