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More Favoritism stuff, cuz… I fucking love this au. Also, the person who sent in the first ask, sent in another one where two gay punks get the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous, so expect to see that soon
Now, let’s just throw around a few incorrect quotes
Marc: *About to go into battle as Mariquita* I know you're a little worried about me. Look, I'm not gonna lie to you. We've never gone into a fight like this, and I don't know what's gonna happen. But you don't have to worry. I will make it back. I love you, man.
*Kiran hugs Marc*
Lila: Aaw.
*Marc then turns around in shock to see Lila, who has heard his every word*
Lila: Are you talking to your baby brother?
Marc: No!… Shut up!
Lila: That's adorable!
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Mariquita: And where have you been?
Bomb Shell: Nowhere?
Mariquita: How did you get so hurt?
Bomb Shell: Oh, that. Well, uh, we were...
Vulpix: Hit...
Viperion: By a...
CapriKid: Bus?
Queen Bee: *whispers to CapriKid* Hit by a bus?!
CapriKid: Well, what was I supposed to say, meteor, cow, flying building?!
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Lila: *To the student body* Okay, yeah. I've got an apology. So, I have this friend who took pity on me as the new student this year. And I convinced him that it would be fun to mess up Marinette Dupain-Cheng’s life. So I pretended to be friends with Marinette, and then he would come to my house after and we would just laugh about all the dumb stuff Marinette said. And we gave these candy bar things that would make her break out, and then we turned her best friends against her because, oh yeah! She has her crush’s entire schedule in her room, which is creepy. And then... Oh yeah, Marc- you know my friend Marc? The mastermind got Adrien, Marinette’s obsession, to see the light and separate himself from her. Oh, God, and we gave her foot cream instead of face wash! God! I am so sorry Marinette. Really, I don't know why I did this. I guess it's probably because I've got a big crush on a guy who’s not even into you! Suck on that! AY-YI-YI-YI-YI-YI!
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Marinette: Can I just say that we don't have a clique problem at this school? And some of us shouldn't have to take this workshop because some of us are just victims in this situation.
Mme. Mendeleiev: … Raise your hand if you have ever been personally victimized by Marinette Dupain-Cheng? *she watches all students and teachers raise hands*
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Marc: Marinette Dupain-Cheng... How do I begin to explain Marinette Dupain-Cheng?
Jean: Marinette Dupain-Cheng is a blackmailer.
Denise: I hear she’s got dirt on all of her classmates and they don’t know it.
Lacey: I hear she’s stalking Adrien now.
Ismael: Her room is lined with photos of him.
Simon: One time, I caught her kissing a wax statue of him at the museum.
Mireille: And she threatened me not to say anything.
Cosette: One time she punched me in the face... So I kicked her ass. It was awesome.
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Marinette: I'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm popular.
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Marinette: Why were you talking to Marc Anciel?
Nathaniel: Well, I mean-
Marinette: He’s so pathetic. Let me tell you something about Marc Anciel. We super close back in middle school. I know, right? It's so embarrassing. I don't even... Whatever. So then in eighth grade, I started going out with my first boyfriend Gerard who was totally gorgeous and obsessed with me, and Marc was like, weirdly jealous. Like, if I would blow him off to hang out with Gerard, he’s be like, "When can we hang out?" And I'd be like, "Why are you so obsessed with us?" So then, for my birthday party, which I invited Gerard to, I was like, "Marc, I can't invite you, because I think you're in love with Gerard." I mean I couldn't have that at my party. There would be so much drama. I mean, right? Of course, everyone caught on, and saw him only as a homewrecker, because, duh, he is. And then he dropped out of school because no one would talk to him after, and he came back in the fall for lycee, his hair was messed up and he was totally weird, and now I guess he's on crack.
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Adrien: Marinette seems... sweet!
Marc: Marinette Dupain-Cheng is not sweet! She's a scum-sucking demon queen, she ruined my life!
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Okay, now headcanons!
Marc occasionally gets revenge on Marinette by cutting holes into her jeans, leggings, and shorts
After Marinette tarnished Lila’s reputation by claiming she got Akumatized because she was jealous of her liking Adrien, Marc seized the opportunity to adopt her
Marc: Hey, when you’re done crying over the school’s cult leader shunning you, I wanna restyle your hair.
Lila: … Why are you talking to me? Aren’t you worried about her highness sending them after you?
Marc: Honey, we’ve been bitter enemies the minute she was born. She can do or say whatever the hell she wants. Now, let me do your hair. I’m not a fan of the three ponytails.
Lila: Fine, go ahead. *Marc starts undoing her ponytails* … You do know you’re in the girls bathroom, right?
Marc: Screw gender, you needed help.
They spend their days avoiding Marinette and her classmates at all costs, reading under the stairs on in the basement, and doing each others nails
Lila has considered switching classes, but she doesn’t want to give Marinette the satisfaction
Marc’s closed off from his classmates in this au. He doesn’t know if he can trust them or not, and they don’t talk to him
Whenever they try to make conversation, he gives one worded answers and then walks away
Marinette has blackmail on all of her classmates, and they’re none the wiser. One person thinks everyone else loves her and they go along with it because they don’t want to be shunned and harassed like the outcasts by the rest of the school
It’s mob mentality. She popular and supposedly nice, so people go along with everything she says, and becuase she has connections with celebrities
The moment Nathaniel behind hanging out with Marc and Lila after Marc refused to make an Adrinette comic with him, Marinette made sure to let everyone know about his anger issues, causing him to be avoided by almost half the student body while the rest just try to provoke him
Well, that all ends when Marc defends him
Marc: Oh, Louis. Do I need to tell a certain someone I caught you making out with another certain someone in the school basement?
Louis: Y-you wouldn’t!
Marc: … Try me, bitch. *Louis runs away* That’s what I thought.
Nathaniel: … Thanks-
Marc: Don’t talk to me. *Leaves*
For that Carrie au, Marc’s not bullied as badly as 80s Carrie (because it’s not the 80s where teenagers had knives and could shiv you at any moment and slaughtered pigs), but it’s common to find graffiti on his locker and for some people to steal his belongings
Marc discovers his telekinesis when he inadvertently causes a cup of water to spill all over Marinette after she threw a crumpled up napkin at him
He gets his small dose of payback by tripping a few of his tormentors from other classes, making phones short circuit, and tying some shoelaces together
But enough about that, let’s talk about Malice- Marc’s akuma form in the Favoritism au, and the catty name everyone likes to call him at school
Grimm Reaper going through a punk phase, still has a scythe, can teleport similarly to Oni-Chan, and when people are slashed by his scythe, the worst parts of themselves are revealed
Imagine just these glowing hazes emerging from you, taking your form, and blurting out every awful thing you’ve ever done
Malice’s overall look is a hooded asymmetrical black jacket with a chain belt, torn black pants, and fingerless black gloves. The hood covers his face, showing only his narrowed glowing green eyes and wide smile. (That’s all most people ever see Marc as, just this malevolent person who enjoys the misery of others. But when you pull the hood down, there are cracks on his face, his eyes are dull with black streaks running down like tears, and the smile is gone)
#COME AT ME MARINETTE STANS!#Seriously please do#miraculous ladybug#miraculous#marc anciel#favoritism au#mlb au#Marinette salt#Marinette Dupain Cheng bashing#Marinette bashing
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Late but, since Marinette doesn't want Luka I'll take him and wife him up tf-
#i mean come on#Luka stan#sorry adrien#not really#miraculous ladybug#shit posting#thoughts#lukanette#luka couffaine#marinette dupain cheng#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#miraculous fandom#adrien agreste#give me the cute emo guitarist pls#i'll treat him so well he's so cute he deserved better
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something that's so interesting about the fact that Destruction took place during the first half of Multiplication and that Adrien jumped from "I just cataclysmed a man" to "wow.... Marinette's so incredible......." in a heartbeat is that that's so.... consistent with his character.
Like, this is what Adrien does, this is what Adrien has always done. When faced with trauma/heartbreak/fear, he copes by distracting himself by thinking instead about being swept off his feet by a strong lady. He did it with Ladybug, he did it with Kagami, he did it with Ladybug again, and now he's doing it with Marinette. This is just his character. Love and Romance is and has always been Adrien's fantasy escape from the horrors of his life.
Adrien is the embodiment of the type of person who watches princess movies like cinderella and sighs dreamily like "I can't wait for someone to come sweep me off my feet..." and you know what? For that I stan
#ml spoilers#ml s5 spoilers#multiplication spoilers#destruction spoilers#sometimes it feels jarring to see adrien fawning over someone when we expect him to be upset/torn up#but it's. SO CONSISTENT. it happens with him every time and it's really only adrien that does this. marinette does the opposite#this is straight up a character trait/coping mechanism of his and i find that so interesting
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Based on what I’ve seen and read, it would appear as though...
...Adrien is the SECOND most underused and underappreciated character in the show (after Chloe, of course).
How could someone, with SO much going for them in terms of relevance to the plot (his dad is the main baddie, him being the main love interest and co-superhero, his NAME being in the title for God sake) be so wilfully ignored?
Let’s just say, Fu’s words about Ladybug and Chat being ‘equals’ sounds awfully hollow when presented with the actual evidence in canon.
From what I understand, he even spent the big S5 finale locked up with Kagami ROBBING VIEWERS OF SEEING HIM CONFRONT HIS FATHER AND DISCOVERING THE TRUTH.
Inexcusable from a storytelling POV IMHO, but so is having your only apparent agency in the show being Marinette’s arm candy and messing up a LOT during superhero duty so Ladybug can look good by comparison.
What are his other interests, besides trying to make her happy in and out of costume? What are his other personality traits, apart from being a pliable doormat to her every whim? None, as far as I see.
‘Girl Power’ isn’t intentionally writing male characters to be subservient to their female counterparts, it’s about making them EQUAL in terms of importance & relevance. In as far as what I’ve learned about Adrien on the show of late, it looks like they failed miserably on both those counts.
Bring this up with Astruc, and naturally he’ll accuse you of being a ‘sexist’ or worst a ‘misogynist’ (talk about the pot calling the kettle black) and say something along the lines of ‘you just don’t want a GIRL in charge’.
Well considering about 99.9% of the people who bring this up with him ARE female, I fear he may have got his wires crossed on this one. EVERYONE wants a more equal partnership between the two title characters, and suggesting if you do you’re some kind of bigoted chauvinist is gaslighting of the highest order.
(Mind you, this coming from a guy who recently said Ladybug was Barbie and Chat Noir was KEN, so we can’t expect too much from him)
I must say, being an absolute Chloe stan (as if you didn’t know) I was a bit out of my comfort zone during this short rant, but I think it ties in nicely with my problems with the show’s formulaic and contradictory writing in general, so I thought I’d give it a go anyway. Hope I did okay!
(Don’t get me started on that ‘Marinette must learn a lesson in every episode’ bullshit, either)
Agree? Disagree? Feel free to get in touch. Oh, and one more bonus meme to add to the collection...
...Hopefully, you’re beginning to see my point. :p
#miraculous#miraculous ladybug#ladybug#chloe bourgeois#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#chat noir#ml salt#ml#zag#disney
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Calling all Adrien stans! Calling all Marinette salters! Calling all salt fic haters!
For those of you who don’t know, I wrote a sequel to the infamous Karma of Lies fanfic, with the help of a friend, and have decided to start a series where I write sequels to fix certain salt fics, especially those who are harshest to Adrien. But I would like some co-authors. Anyone who is interested, please comment on this post.
SUGGESTIONS
No one sees me but know I’m right here by kellikat23
Rejection AU by various
The Wolves in the Woods by FoxWitchWrites and Rafe_Minsi
Two Letters by CartoonAddict564
The Karma of Lies by CartoonAddict564 (because that one is just so horrible and needs more sequels)
Karma Overbalance by Shadymissionary
New Life and New Friends by Cornholio4
What Goes Around Comes Around by Cornholio4
Leave comments if there are any other stories you want to see.
#miraculous ladybug#ml salt#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#miraculous salt#marinette salt#adrien sugar#miraculous#mlb salt#ladybug salt#salt on salters#salt on saltinette#saltinette salt#marinette bashing#anti adrien salt#ml the karma of lies#the karma of lies
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Hi~ Hope you have a lovely day. I want to get your opinions on my rant lol and ask.
Marinette is such a disappointment of a lead female character in a western magical girl cartoon. She isn't a good leader and all her team consist of yes men and women and sidekick Chat Noir where her real partner Alya is standing over to the side. I liked her in the first two season and maybe some in s3 but the s4 and onward just got to me ngl. It's her world and we're all just living in it. Miraculous is so weird when it comes to team dynamics because I get she's guardian but I really wished it were someone else and not her because she chooses people she already get along great with. It fun for team dynamics to add be different and broader.
The whole she's just 14 the fandom spouts only goes so far how many messes do you do until you realise you need to own up to them even at that age when you should know better on your conduct ?
I get it hard to communicate but onwards I always thought the bigger of the two in the conflict was her because of her secrecy and her controlling tendencies. I disliked it so much in the ephemeral episode and her betraying her partner disgusted me. Sorry to those who like or defend her character this much but I can't stan or like a character that does this much crap to a friend let alone a love interest and then gloss over or minimize it and not be called out for it. Like, are people standards that low they think she's a good leader or a good proper representation on feminism when this show reeks of misogyny and misandry. She's the ultimatum voice for Astruc.
A communication issue with her Chat was fine a long time ago but now in s5 she crossed it hell nah how do people still support a ship with her knowing she followed Hawkmoth command for Adrien. I literally can't anymore with this show. Every guy she likes gotta be so 100 percent in effort and like in the Shadybug special him always comforting her makes me so jaded whenever she cries what about a change in dynamics had we ever seen her comfort him in turn how are people invested in this ship? Like that time in the bench and she just thought of ways to woo or give presents instead of just comforting him is so sad to watch.
She really followed in Master Fu steps. The bar is in hell and she crossed it in the finale. There is no excuse no handwaving it away and i know in my heart they gonna minimize it for Adrien own good. Everything is for his own good huh? What good is it rooting for a ship that just reeks of pity points. Like, she was never my favorite but who knew 8 years ago she'd pull a stunt like this and people bending over and doing mental gymnastics to rationalise this insanity. She really is a good foil to Gabriel ironically to bad she has no sway in this family drama we call the Agreste.
I know she has good intentions and it's not wrong for her to wish to save her prince but like thats all that is intention. Her actions are also important and the effects she's done is so bad that if she weren't the Main character and we haven't spent the chunk of the majority in her pov alone she'd be disliked.
I feel like compared to other respective series Winx Club s1-3 Bloom, Danny Phantom, Ben 10, Totally Spies they have it much more harder and so many more all show the consequences of your actions and how you do them right and they're her age. I feel like whenever someone bring up consequences it's like people in this particular fandom think we do it to punish Marinette but no I just never ever saw it properly done in this show because she's very coddled in the narrative. I don't see other MC as coddled as her before in a show where when they MESS UP it's actually integral and important.
Rant over.
You encapsulated all my thoughts perfectly, anon. I've said so many times before that I loved Marinette from Season 1-3 and even during Season 4 as it aired. What made me fall out of love with her character post Season 4 was the utter lack of acknowledgement of her actions and the insistence in portraying her as in the right at all times. Like you said, it's not just your intentions that matter. Your actions and the effects that they have on the people around you also matter. The writers don't seem to understand this, and it hits Marinette's character worst of all. She had so much potential to be such a great character, which is why I feel so sad seeing just how badly the writing failed her. Marinette deserved better.
Thank you for your ask!
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Why do you think abuse apologia is so rampant in the ML fandom? I’m asking because kind of in awe at this anon I just got who all but told me to kms because I said that Maribug gaslighting Adricat about his father is messed up
It's a combination of a couple of things. The Marinette Stans here on tumblr are enthusiastic to say the least. At its most harmless, they'll go on tangents about how Marinette is secretly jacked and musclar and strong enough to beat Miraculous users without Miraculous powers. At its most toxic, they harrass people for saying anything that could be construed as negative about Marinette, including "Man, this fictional character sure is in need of character development!"
After the retooling for seasons 4 and 5, this kind of thing got worse, because now the show is actually agreeing with the more toxic Marinette Stans. Characters are taking back things they said a season and a half ago to make Marinette seem retroactively in the right for bullying the new girl in school and creating her own villain. Marinette is no longer seen as being capable of being morally wrong by the narrative; she's no longer presented as being overly controlling, judgemental and self-righteous. Instead, the narrative insists she's in the right about everything. The only times she's "wrong" it's because she's factually wrong: she lacks important information, meaning the mistakes the story admits to her making aren't actually her fault, but the fault of faulty information. The show has protagonist centered morality, because the show's protagonist is never presented as being in the wrong anymore. Everything Marinette does is morally justified because she's the protagonist.
The problem with this comes from the fact that Marinette still acts the same way she used to. She still acts overly controlling, judgemental and self-righteous. She grants a Miraculous permanently to another holder without letting Cat Noir know. She tricks Cat Noir into revealing his secret identity. She complains about how hard she has it while not taking advantage of the help Cat Noir is constantly offering to her because she thinks she knows better than anyone else so he could possibly not be able to help her. She doesn't tell her boyfriend he's under the very real risk of getting his free will hijacked if anyone palmed these two specific rings. She doesn't tell her boyfriend anyone could kill him with a snap of their fingers with the Peacock Miraculous and that she's letting his awful cousin hang onto this power because he knows her secret identity but she's still not telling him or her oldest superhero partner. And, yes, she's gaslighting Adrien into thinking his dad was a good person through and through.
And yet, despite all this stuff the writers have Marinette do that make it sound like she's on her freaking villain arc, the writers insist Marinette is morally right about all of this. She only makes surface level apologies for her lying and secret-keeping, only to keep doing it. Her apologies mean as little as Félix: they mean nothing. She never even considers whether or not what she's been doing is a good idea, because, as far as the writers are concerned, it's a great idea.
This fandom is full of abuse apologia because the fandom is used to making excuses for characters who treat Adrien poorly, but also because the show's writing requires you to either accept and excuse abuse, or disagree with the fundamental core of the show: that Marinette is always right.
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In the Trailer, they had this scene. I can assume that this is after Marinette told Alya she is Ladybug. The focusing on Marinette makes sense, but it’s the focusing on Alya that set off an alarm bell. Maybe I desperately reaching for some Alya content, but still. Im wondering if Alya is going to play a major part in this special. I mean, her alternate universe counterpart obviously is.
Alt Alya is obviously this character. I have no clue if this character is Hesperia because I believe a “good version” of Gabriel was shown in the trailer. But this might be Hesperia. We can see Alt Alya being Akumatized into what I believe is this character. Now, Hesperia might not be Gabriel, it might be Alya, but Gabriel gives her the akuma to become Hesperia. Hesperia is a Greek name that means “evening” or “evening star”. Alt Alya has clearly gone for a more Galaxy themed look.
Now this scene right here had me concerned that Alt Alya may be sided with Shadybug and Claw Noir(?). But you can see she has a struggle on her face as she’s preforming whatever this is and plus
We can also see that Alt Nino(Easily recognizable by the beanie instead of the hat) is seemingly put into danger or being targeted by Shadybug and Claw Noir. So I believe if Alya is Hesperia or a regular citizen recruited by Hesperia, that Nini was targeted due to being close to Alya or him knowing too much. If it was just because he knew too much. It’s probably likely that Hesperia(If it i Hesperia is a good version of Hawkmoth) has given her these abilities to help get her ban back or whatever. However if Alt Alya is evil(I hope not because she looks so cool), then maybe it was all a set up.
However, based on the first ever imagine we got of her, I doubt she’s is the villain because I have a feeling if she was, they’d want to present her as more threatening looking instead of almost heroic. But they may be going the deceptive route.
Anyways, I, despite not much watching miraculous anymore, can’t wait for this special to come out! My Alya stan part of me needs more Alya.
#alya cesaire#marinette dupain cheng#miraculous ladybug#rena rouge#mlb#djwifi#hesperia#mlb adrien#adrienette
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My thoughts on Felix - anti hero gone wrong
Introduction - SEASON 5 SPOILERS AHEAD
Felix Fathom - the show's anti hero. Easily one of the smartest characters of the show and has gained quite a large fanbase. However , his Character took a drastic turn in Season 5 , with the transition from anti-hero to a hero. He joins the team in the season 5 finale - which has raised a few eyebrows. This post will explain my thoughts on Felix and why I dislike how his character has been written this season . Don’t get me wrong , I don’t hate Felix but it annoys me how he does awful things and doesn’t face any consequences. This is not a hate post on Felix but simply me sharing my opinion on him.
His Character explained up until Emotion
Felix seemingly had a rough childhood. Due to Amelie being infertile , Colt created Felix from the peacock miraculous , which caused him to be a senti.
Due to Colt using the broken miraculous , he got sick and seemingly blamed , abused and controlled Felix.
When Felix was 13 , due to frustration , Colt punched the wall , breaking the ring which is where Felix’s amok is. This nearly killed Felix and made him realize his life was tied to his father’s ring. Soon his father died and he took his ring , securing his freedom. However he was forever paranoid of the idea of disappearing and when he found out about the peacock miraculous, he made it his goal to steal it from his uncle to ensure his survival. We see him first in the episode Felix , where he steals Gabriel's ring. We see him come back in Gabriel Agreste , finding out his uncle is a Shadow Moth , confirming his suspicions that he had the peacock miraculous.
The trauma from his interaction with Gabriel , thinking he was about to be snapped out of existence, triggers him to complete his mission. In the Season 4 finale , he steals most of the miraculous and trades all of them and Gabriel's ring for the peacock miraculous.
The rings from my understanding were a safety net in case anything went wrong. He knew Gabriel would never trade the peacock miraculous for his wife's ring because of how powerful the miraculous was so he stole most of the miraculouses because he knew about Gabriels plan. He laid low for a few months then in the episode Emotion , he committed mass genocide by snapping every human to the red moon and leaving only the senti-trio and Marinette on Earth.
His motive - freeing his cousin and Kagami ( who he recently found out was a senti) from their parents. He however realized he lost control and brought everyone back. Felix is an anti-hero in the sense that he had good intentions but goes about it in the wrong way. He had a good reason to trade the jewelry for the peacock in order to be free , to never be under the mercy of the peacock miraculous holder , who can snap him out of existence anytime. However he achieved his goal in an unethical way , by betraying ladybug and stealing the miraculous. This also applies in Emotion , he felt empathy for Kagami and felt bad about Adrien because he was in the same situation as them which is not being able to be in control of themselves. He wanted to help them experience the same freedom he has so he snapped Gabriel and Tomoe to the red moon. However he went way too far by snapping away literally everyone committing genocide. He had a sympathetic motive - helping Adrien and Kagami but how he conducted his methods in a questionable way portrays him as a morally gray character.
This is what makes his Character compelling . You sympathize with his character and understand why he does the things he does but at the same time disagree with his methods and resent him for helping the main villain.
Why Feligami doesn’t work
Pretension is the episode where Felix’s character went wrong for me. This is mainly because of Feligami (sorry Feligami stans😔😔). He seemingly falls in love with Kagami after one episode and from my understanding - stalks and kidnaps her from her mom . Now Tomoe is awful but there really was no need to kidnap her - she was only shouting at her - not beating her up. He kidnapped Kagami not because she was in any danger but wanted to confess his love towards her and make her fall in love with him . Kagami was not having any of it however when he seemingly saves her and tells her about his tragic backstory , she instantly gains feelings.
The problem with this is that Kagami barely knows Felix . From her POV , he could easily be lying in order to gain sympathy from her. They got together during one episode which caused the ship to feel rushed. Another reason why this ship doesn't work is how they fell in love. Sure Kagami saw Felix differently after Felix saved her from Tomoe and gave her the ring but you don’t fall in love after three interactions.
Kagami chooses to be with Felix because he looks exactly like Adrien which causes the ship to be unhealthy because she still has unresolved feelings for her ex. She doesn’t love Felix for who he is , she loves him because he looks like Adrien. If she started dating Felix after knowing him for a few weeks/months then it would’ve made more sense that she fell in love with Felix because of his personality , not his appearance.
Felix only like Kagami because she was a senti , he barely cared for up until Emotion. He only spent a couple of hours with her before snapping everyone away and then decided he loved her. If Kagami wasn’t a senti , he wouldn’t have taken interest in her and snapped her away without caring. The last reason why I dislike Feligami is that it feels forced . The sole reason why the writers gave Felix a love interest is to make him look more redeemable. Kagami is one of the show's more loved characters ( from season 4 at least) and making her and Felix get together was for the purpose of making Felix more likable. To conclude , Feligami is a cute idea but the execution of their storyline was done badly. They fall in love despite barely knowing each other and Kagami forgives Felix way too easily after knowing his story. If you like Feligami though , that's perfectly fine.
Representation mess
This episode made me lose most of my respect for Felix as a character (I can hear the Felix stans typing 😂😂). The first reason why this episode wasn’t well written is how Felix approached Ladybug. When performing his cringy play (which turned out to be pointless) he asked for Ladybug help without uttering a single apology for everything you’ve done to her. He SA’ed Ladybug and gave her trauma by stealing the miraculous but still had the audacity to request assistance without saying sorry. Isn’t he ashamed of himself or feel any guilt ?
He also sought Ladybug's aid not because he wanted to free Adrien from Gabriel , not because he felt bad about what he did in Strike Back and wanted to seek forgiveness by teaming up with Ladybug to help her defeat Monarch but because he wanted to love his girlfriend freely. He only helped Marinette , gave her the information she needed because it benefited him . This isn’t a bad storyline for an anti-hero. An anti-hero only works for himself but the reason why this storyline failed is because the narrative pushed Felix to be some sort of hero. His moments with Kagami make him look like a good guy and the backstory made Felix sympathetic.
The moment where Felix explains why he stole the miraculous felt more of a justification portraying Felix as someone who is innocent and hasn’t done anything wrong. He is sympathetic and tragic but isn't exactly a good person either so the part where he justifies what he did and the narrative portraying him as a hero felt like bad writing.
Another thing that bothers me is the inconsistency of Felix creating a sentimonster which is a projector. He said in Pretension he refused to create another senti just for him to abuse them , control them and snap them out of existence when he’s done with them.
However , after Mari wakes up , she sees a feather which we could assume means Felix has snapped it out of existence when he was done with it. The annoying thing is that this could’ve been avoided if Felix wasn’t a coward and went up to Ladybug , APOLOGIZE for what he did , says he wants to help her defeat Monarch and tell him everything he knows. Man up Felix ! The least he could’ve done was give the senti its freedom instead of killing it. However in defense of Felix , he did tell Ladybug about Adrien being a senti which redeemed him somewhat , but the info on Monarch's identity was pointless and the information Felix revealed was barely used in the finale until the Adrienette kiss scene. Overall this Episode made me lose most of my respect for Felix's character because the writers try so hard to portray Felix as a hero or a good guy when clearly he still is the same as before. He still has villain like tendencies that are never addressed and this episode really swept all of his bad deeds under the rug.
Why his redemption doesn’t make sense
During the epilogue of the finale - he seemingly is chilling at the Agreste mansion and spends time with Kagami - eyeing her cutely. However the most insulting thing about the finale is when Felix seemingly joins the team confirming a redemption arc (pls don't kill me Felix stans🙏🙏). He is pretty much forgiven for his crimes and faces no real consequences. Well to be fair , he did face a small consequence for mass genocide , he lost control of his power and realized he is no better than Monarch. This is shown when he cries after snapping the red moon out of existence.
However that was the only consequence he faced out of many crimes he committed and he never redeemed himself to Ladybug for killing everyone. Instead he got rewarded with a girlfriend and ownership of his Miraculous despite his identity being known. The reason why his redemption makes no sense is that he never apologized to Ladybug or proved himself that he is a good person. Sure he had good motives and felt remorse a few times but he never said sorry to Ladybug or felt any guilt about helping Gabriel. His abuse under Colt explains his actions but does not excuse them so him seemingly being forgiven by everyone without proving himself just felt wrong. The season 5 finale was a missed opportunity to redeem Felix the right way with him saving Adrien and Kagami from their prisons or him fighting alongside Ladybug against Monarch. Instead he was absent and only showed up in the epilogue. Another problem is that his redemption was rushed , only a few weeks ago he committed mass genocide but now he’s besties with Ladybug and already part of the team , the same team he ruined by stealing all the miraculouses. Did she also forget he forced himself on her ? Felix can do whatever he wants without ever being held accountable or face any punishment. I’m not against a Felix redemption arc if it’s written correctly. His character would’ve been better if he continued to be an anti-hero and is redeemed in later seasons. Therefore , his redemption felt ruined because he basically got away with most of his crimes and was forgiven easily without ever apologizing or feeling much regret. He basically faced no consequences for SA, assisted terrorism , mass genocide , stalking , kidnapping and instead got rewarded .
Final thoughts
To conclude , Felix started off as a great character with layers and complexity but unfortunately got ruined as the story progressed. I don’t hate Felix , his character is fascinating because of his character status as morally gray but like most characters in this show , was a victim of bad writing. His redemption felt disappointing and his relationship with Kagami felt unnatural. I understand his motives (he was doing it for his own survival) but they way he conducted his methods was immoral. He got away with most of his crimes and faced no punishment. Hot take but Felix is one of those characters who’s better off as an anti-hero. He still has so much villain potential which shouldn't go to waste. However I will end this post on a positive note and say not all hope is lost and Felix’s character can be saved in season 6. Going forward , I hope Ladybug and Cat Noir (especially Cat Noir) still are a bit suspicious of Argos and don’t fully trust him despite letting him into the team. Another Unpopular Opinion is that I want Felix to turn on the hero team in future seasons and work with the villains. It’s logical because he never was held accountable or faced real consequences so what is stopping him from betraying the team again ? His character has so much potential and he is unique solely because he is an anti-hero. I hope in Season 6 , his character improves. However these are just my opinions , if you love Felix and agree with how the writers are handling his character , that is perfectly fine . Please stay respectful 😊😊😊 .
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Do you think people who always hated the LS have an easier time hating on Movie!Adrien than people who used to ship it?
From what I've seen anti LS peeps like movie!Adrien, while fans of the show hate him. I thought that was weird at first, but after thinking about it, I think I have an explanation as to why.
The focus of Movie!Adrien's sad backstory was the death of his mother and that causing problems in his relationship to his dad (who wasn't as much of a horrible person as in the show, so abuse wasn't really an issue the movie touched on) but also affecting him as a person. He was closed off and afraid of getting close to people. Basically you could say he was more like his PV version. That's already a strong contrast from his show self with the strong craving for human friendship and love, so that probably already threw people off who liked show!Adrien.
We first learn about his mom when he goes to that theather where she used to perform. It's his place where he feels closest to her. Then he starts talking about it with Marinette/Ladybug and in the end he reconsiles with his dad, telling him that "yes, mother's gone, but we're still here" and they hug it out, accepting things for what they are. Now I don't want to give the movie too much credit because this "arc" was not fleshed out at all. Most of that happens in the montage. The basis was there, but after establishing that, they rush through the movie and put their focus more on fights, the romance and the music. And I think this rushing through things is the reason Adrien enjoyers couldn't connect to this other Adrien. Basically "The first one was great, so why should I care about this new one that is so different? He's less outgoing despite his dad already pushing him away and him hating loneliness? He's more mean to LB during their banter for no apparent reason? Where is Chat being a shoulder to cry on when LB looses her self confidence?"
If you present a new interpretation of a character to fans of said character, you'll have to try a little harder to convince them this interpretation is good with actual good story telling, which this movie severely lacks due to the very simplistic plot, and also... not relying on the show and the audience having to fill the blanks with information from the show as much as the movie did.
Meanwhile salters see show!Adrien as someone who gets a lot just handed to him because he made a sad face, generally has no agency and makes Marinette's life harder than it has to be and they don't like that. Then along comes this other version where his emotions don't feel like a constant pity party but are something he learns how to deal with, he doesn't constantly makes missions harder than they have to be (expect the ending sort of) and he finally has some agency. That's what I like about the way he's being portrayed. And as I said, the movie doesn't flesh those aspects out, but the premise alone of Adrien having to overcome his mother's death with the help of people around him is so much more interesting and likeable for me and probably others too, unlike the constant whining about how hard his life is until somebondy (Marinette) comes along and bends over backwards to fix it for him while he stands around and looks pretty.
So yeah, that's my take on the situation. I do find it pretty funny though how some stans act like Movie!Adrien is some alpha dude bro while show!Adrien drinks his respect women juice. Not to burst your bubble but both handle LB's rejection very poorly and are dicks to her about it. At least movie!Adrien still jumped to action instead of immediately abandoning his miraculous
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Hello, I want to ask what are the science kids & the Austins worst experiences with Marinette or Ladybug were? Like it could be mixed of both, I’m just wondering.
Okay! *cracks knuckles* Let’s fucking do this!
Simon:
Asked by her many many many times to help her get some video footage of Adrien. He would’ve said yes, but Marinette asked for him to do it in secret
Uh… Illegal? And when they said no, she snapped and sent him dozens of photos she took of Adrien in secret before storming off… He’s an accomplice now.
Reshma:
Alienated simply because she was rich and Marinette saw a photo of her in a magazine with Chloé for some charity gala, and immediately assumed the worst
Marinette spread a rumor back when they were twelve that she and Chloé are friends, making it hard for Reshma to make any friends for herself
Denise:
Reprimanded by Ladybug in front of dozens of people for “vigilantism” when really, they just punched an Akuma before it could attack Simon
When they commissioned a dress, Marinette explained that she didn’t quite have enough fabric for Denise’s build, even when Denise made serval offers to pay double. She didn’t wanna “waste” fabric. (I’ll give some of ya’ll a moment to think about what that means)
Jean:
Pressured into giving up the lead role in a play to Adrien so Marinette could kiss him
He got Akumatized because of that, and received a harsh lecture for Ladybug over forgiveness or some shit, and Marinette never apologized to him
Ismael:
Marinette: “No offense, and not to be rude, but your current look is kinda butch. I get your wanna- I mean, your are a guy, but you could stand to look a little more presentable. And remember, there’s no shame in having a feminine touch to your clothes.”
She’s one of those aggressively accepting people who goes on about how “Ismael, you should be a model! You look so good! I can make you tons of binders, and I’ll donate the money to transgender charities!”
Marc:
He wore ONE magenta skirt to school and now Marinette keeps trying to get him to wear more traditionally feminine clothing and be her model for an “inclusive line”. And when he was Rooster Bold, Ladybug kept trying to get him to transform into an outfit more like Pigella’s
Marinette keeps giving him terrible advice for dating Nathaniel, even going so far as to suggest he should stalk him
Cosette:
Promised dozens of times to help them study for a big test, but NEVER kept them. Cosette managed to get a good grade on their own, but there Marinette is taking the credit for “helping them study” and soaking up the praise
And Cosette is just like: Uh, bitch? You didn’t do jackshit.
Lacey:
While doing parkour around Paris, she was interrupted by a sudden Akuma attack. As she was sprinting back home, Ladybug swooped in out of nowhere and knocked them off the side of a building. Lacey was horribly injured and Ladybug didn’t do shit to help her back up, Chat Noir did
And when the Cure took effect, instead of asking if she was alright, Ladybug had the gall to reprimand her and Chat in front dozens od people for their “recklessness”, and Lacey was forced to take some shitty seminar of safety and shit even though she’s gone through all the regulations of what she can and can’t do
Zoé:
Unwillingly dragged into the cringe Adrinette plans despite her constantly saying no, only to be met with some clear gaslighting from Marinette
When she told Marinette about how she was bullied at school, this girl made it all about herself and talked about how she was constantly bullied by Chloé until Zoé faked being sick and left… Then Marinette texted her the rest of her story when she got home
Aurore:
Aurore has a habit of correcting people, not to be rude, just so they don’t make the mistake again. When Ladybug was having a hard time figuring out what to do with her Lucky Charm, and her method would have put lives in danger, Aurore rushed in and used the Lucky Charm in a way that wouldn’t have risked the lives of probably dozens
And although Aurore received praise from the citizens for her quick thinking, Ladybug was pissed, scolded Aurore for behaving so recklessly without a Miraculous, and told everyone to never follow her example. This public scene got Aurore suspended from being the weather girl for a while until some protesters backed her up
Mireille:
When Marinette heard she was going to a party with Adrien thanks to her dad’s connections, she kept trying to “coerce” Mireille into making her her plus-one. But Mireille said no dozens of time and in a fit of jealousy, Marinette moved the “wet floor” sign and Mireille tripped and fell on the floor, allowing Marinette to steal her ticket
While on bed rest, Mireille turned the tv on and saw Marinette in a pink evening dress holding Adrien’s hand and going on about how Mireille was so nice to give up her ticket to her since she couldn’t go
Austin A:
As revenge for a bad review on her website, Marinette stole his makeup bag and swapped out his face cream for something Austin’s allergic to. So, when Austin used it, his skin broke out in hives and he had to go to the hospital
When he returned to school, he heard Marinette going on to her friends about how he deserved what happened. The worst part of this is that the bad review was warranted. The scarf he commissioned unraveled easily
Austin B:
He decided to try out for the Mecha Strike tournament because Max was out sick and wouldn’t be able to compete. He won, and gets to play alongside Adrien. But, then! Marinette swoops in and steals his position
Then she rubs it in his face in private, telling him the school doesn’t need “another Chloé” representing them
Austin Q:
Saw him walking his brother home while he was in his headspace, made a show that she was concerned about him of all people being the one to care for Félice, causing Félice to have a panic attack that she accused Austin of causing
Saw him buying a shark plushie at a toy store and took a picture, which she sent to everyone, and Austin was too mortified to leave his own home
Austin T
During a school bake sale, more customers were going to his booth instead of hers, she got jealous and made backhanded compliments about how “his pastries are so good that Austins clearly enjoys them himself” (Give y’all a moment to think about what she meant)
When Ladybug came fo the school as a guest speaker to speak about abuse, she used Austin and Jean as an example when talking about dating violence, implying that Austin is an emotional abuser and questioning why Jean wears so many long-sleeve shirts
*Later*
Aurore: So, we’re in agreement. Marinette needs to be stopped, expelled, and then arrested.
Austin T: And Ladybug needs to turn in her Miraculous to someone who’s not a total b-word.
Denise: For sure. That girl just expects me to sit by and let my friends get hurt so she can do her stupid Cure in the very end? Nope! I’m getting real sick of that bitch!
Austin A: So… What’s the plan?
Everyone: …
Simon: Honestly, I don’t have one. Okay, both of them have too much influence, they know celebrities, and a bunch of fans to back them up… Huh. Saying it out loud, Marinette and Ladybug are kinda similar.
Jean: … Oh, hell no.
Cosette: Nope. No, you stop thinking that, Jean.
Jean: Too late.
Austin B: Well, if you look at the facts, it makes sense. Plus, it’s not a coincidence we’ve been screwed over by those two in the worst possible ways.
Aurore: True. But, Marinette will just pull the “poor me” card and say her actions were from the stress of being Ladybug.
Marc: … Fuck it. Fuck any photo consent laws. We follow Marinette during an Akuma attack, take a video of her transforming and post it on an untraceable anonymous account. She’s forced to give up her Miraculous to someone WAY more competent, and that takes care of one problem. While she’s getting the martyr treatment, we expose Marinette for the person she truly is in and out of the mask. She loses everything, and we win.
Everyone: …
Ismael: Marc… I am so proud of you! You devious little Angel! Let’s do this! Are you people ready?!
Reshma: So ready.
Austin Q: I was born to do this!
Cosette: LET’S BURN THAT BITCH TO THE GROUND!
Oops. I dropped these. Enjoy!
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Marinette is Problematic
Marinette being a Stalker- Part 1
Marinette is a creepy stalker
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CHLOE RANT!! SOME SPOILERS FOR THE NEWEST EPISODES!
I'm a Chloe stan. I had dug her character even in season 1, but then they gave her some hope. Showed that there was more to her than a stereotypical mean girl. This made her probably one of the most complex characters in the show.
Then season 3's finale happened, and it all fell apart.
All season 4, she felt like they took her character, scribbled out everything interesting, and just made her a heartless, mean girl worse than ever. Then through season 5, the show talks to the audience, saying there is no hope for Chloe. That sometimes people are just bad...and I would say okay and call it a day if that was true. But they showed us that little piece of good in her...why show it if she is nothing but evil?
When they introduced Zoe, I was hoping that she would be a secret baddie who would eventually work with Lila. I mean, it works; Zoe is a new character no one knew, who is an actress, and said that at her old school, she lied about who she was. It fit...that plus Marinette giving her the bee miraculous without really knowing her...it felt off to me. Granted, that's all in the past now, and I don't doubt Zoe is a sweet girl, but another part of my idea remains. I thought with Zoe in the picture, and if my evil Zoe theory was correct, Chloe would end up on rock bottom, eventually speeding up her redemption to completion.
At the beginning of season 5, I was in denial. With every bad thing Chloe did, I would say, "it's just Lila manipulating her," until finally, I gave up hope and decided to accept what happened to her character...
...that is until the last two episodes.
Right now, Chloe is at her worst. She had come full circle. She had Principal Damocles and Ms. Bustier fired and Marinette expelled. She knows Adrien is moving to London, something he hasn't told anyone yet. She has Monarch backing her. She is the freaking Mayor....she has everything she wanted. So much power...but you know what else she has?
Lila.
Lila is telling her what to say and do. None of what's happening is actually Chloe. This is just her being manipulated by her "Friend" and Monarch. Both have their own agendas, and one is to bring Monarch down.
Lila did what she did to everyone else. She told her everything she wanted to hear. She fed on her faults and her bad qualities and gave her praise for them. Something that everyone else has criticized and scolded her for in the past. She is getting the affirmation she has been craving "to be who she is."
But what happens when she is no use anymore? When Monarch is taken down, and Lila takes control and no longer needs her?
Chloe is going to hit rock bottom.
She will have no friends. No Mayor father to get her out of trouble. No future because she thought she wouldn't need anything or learn anything because she will always be "rich." She will be alone and face the consequences of her actions.
I think it's then she is going to finally accept her sister and turn to her for support. Zoe knows how it feels to be alone and friendless; it's what happened to her in New York.
Maybe then...only then can Chloe finally see everything she was missing while blinded by her own arrogance and finally be on the right road to redemption.
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The selfishness and destructive jealousy of Cat Noir never stops surprising me. He literally spent the second half of the season four finale being passive aggressive and jealous that Ladybug brought in a new hero (Flairmidable).
The reason this is all so bad is because when Ladybug comes back to collect the miraculous from Adrien, when in reality she handed it the Felix, he immediately responds with, ”You gave it to Felix,” without missing a single beat.
I don’t believe that Ladybug is to blame for losing all the miraculous and I never will. Because the blame falls on Adrien’s shoulders. His spontaneous response to Ladybug’s inquiry proves that he knew Felix was the new dog hero the entire time and didn’t warn Ladybug that he may be dangerous. He instead spent the entire time being a dumbass and bitter that he wasn’t Ladybug’s sole support system.
Adrien stans: But how was he supposed to know that Felix would betray them! It’s not like he knew he’d be after the miraculous!
He definitely knew how cunning and dangerous Felix was. Need I bring up the episode Felix, where he witnessed his cousin trying to get into contact with Hawkmoth and wagering the Ladybug and Cat miraculous? Not to mention, Felix offered to dress up as Adrien to go on the trip with Lila in Adrien’s place. He should have been able to put two and two to together and realized that Ladybug gave the dog miraculous to Felix believing that it was Adrien, which wouldn’t that far of a stretch, seeing as Ladybug entrusted him with the snake miraculous (which failed in using it miserably in typical Adrien style) in Desperada.
And you can make the argument that he couldn’t devolve such information with Ladybug with out putting his own identity at risk, but at the very least, he could have told his worries to Ladybug and advise her to keep her eyes open and ready for anything. But he doesn’t do any of that.
The red flags were literally laid in front of him on a silver platter (like everything is) and he ignored them in the worst way possible. This is one of the many times where Cat Noir has failed to deliver or refused to either warn Ladybug of something crucial that may put her in danger or didn’t have the mental capacity or competence to piece together bright and shinny red flags being waved in his face to at least take initiative and investigate on his own. Let’s not forget that Ladybug is the one who has to pay the price for his stupid ass.
Examples include but are not limited to:
-Chat Blanc: He found out that Marinette was Ladybug and jumped at the opportunity to date her as a civilian to satisfy his obsession with love for her, not even bothering to tell his beloved “partner” that she was compromised, which Ladybug had to fix and gained bucket loads of trauma and the blame for the world being destroyed.
-Oni-chan: After witnessing that Lila had lied to him about her ankle after teaming up with an akuma to end Ladybug, he doesn’t tell his partner that a civilian had tried to get her murdered by a volatile monster and only chastised her lightly, as if that would stop a budding serial killer. And he suddenly loses his brain cells after Lila (a person who he knows is dangerous) targets Marinette, his response to to encourage Lila to continue lying to get Marinette back in school.
-The Collector: Adrien finds a book his father keeps in a safe with designs that look glaring like miraculous super heroes, yet he never questions why a supposedly normal civilain like his father would have a book on such topics, or broaches the subject with Ladybug. Again losing a crucial lead that could have led them to discovering who Hawkmoth was.
-New York Special: He failed to inform Ladybug that he was leaving Paris, going against her trust, and thus left Paris without any protection or the power for her to fix any damage that an akuma may cause in their absence.
-Kuro Neko: He left his ring on a random rooftop, completely unbothered by the fact that anyone could have found the ring (including Hawkmoth) and use it for their own gain. There was no guarantee that Ladybug would have found it in time.
So, not only have his childish and outright disgusting antics have led to countless people being hurt in and out of the mask, but his careless disregard for things that aren’t his feelings for Ladybug and his failure to warn his partner about a dangerous wild card that could’ve changed the outcome of what may be the most important battle in the series led to him being directly responsible for the loss of the miraculous.
And no, Ladybug doesn’t get any flack for giving Felix the miraculous because she was under the effects of an akuma, which clouded her judgement and sense of reason. Plus she was acting on information that she had, which was the fact that Adrien was scheduled to leave Paris and jumped at the opportunity to make a powerful ally in a clearly desperate battle.
Like, this behavior has been a constant with his character for the entire show, but his awful personality is highlighted more during season four where he refuses to communicate his feelings to Ladybug and then acts out when she doesn’t comfort him.
But that clearly doesn’t matter, because he is rewarded for his irrational jealousy by finally being the only option for Ladybug to rely on. And then has the gall, has the acrimony to claim that he was on her side, nevermind the fact that he had been insensitive to her problems, expecting her to drop her very important guardian duties just to soothe his protagonist complex, and smashing property (the infamous chimney scene) and nearly murdering Ladybug’s stand in in Hack San and basically being a massive dick that he wasn’t in the center of Ladybug’s universe.
With his blatant hatred of sharing Ladybug with anyone, including the temporary heroes (who he knows are his friends. you can pry this fact from my cold dead hands), I would be less than shocked if he did this on purpose, and used Felix’s sly personality to do the dirty work for him, so he could swoop in and play the part of Ladybug’s savior.
In conclusion, Cat Noir is a liar and a traitor who is willing to stay silent and ignorant of the world around him while forcibly cultivating his own rose tinted version and simultaneously defending his feelings from anyone and anything he feels threatened by viciously. And as usual, Ladybug/Marinette and everyone else has to pay the price.
To anyone stating that Marinette has jealousy issues, you’re right. But Cat Noir and by extension Adrien crank up the jealousy meter to eleven. It’s to the point where his inability to put aside his own feelings and desires have led to consequences that have quite literally blown up in everyone’s face.
TL;DR I rewatched Risk and Strike back and realized that Ladybug was being unjustly blamed for something that wasn’t even her fault while Cat Noir was being praised for "always being by her side" and "pushing aside his feelings for her to comfort her even though he's had the short end of the stick". Frankly, I got sick of people usong the season four finale as anti-marinette fuel without all the facts. So I made this post to prove her innocence while criticizing (read: dragging through the mud and back) the real perpetrator of the disaster that is season four.
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Gale Reviews: ML Season 5 episode 6 Determination
(Spoilers below)
And let me warn you... It is a LOT
As with all ML we get 6 before 5
THEY ARE WITH THE BUBBLES AND HAIR FLIP! Adrien is so in love!
“Why did she leave so quickly?” “She doesn’t do fencing with us.” Kagami I love you dearly
Good gravy the water color is pretty, and Adrien is simping so damn hard for it
Omg, was that a Marinette-ism? Adrien demonstrating PEAK simp behavior and I’m living for it
“You look at her like how I wished you had looked at me” DAMN! Kagami went for the throat with that one. She makes solid points
So cutting away to kitty section, Marinette made stickers cause they got a record label.
Did they mention Bob roth?
Adrien calls her, she flips a bit, but kitty section just look at her like it’s Tuesday
Points to Adrien for actually calling about it. Sure Kagami pushed him for it, but boy f***ing did it
Kitty section heard her mention Adrien mention feelings and they all crowd her. That’s hilarious
Kagami is like “not the Museum!” But he did it
Luka appears to be part of the cheer squad now. Which is what I expected at this point. Makes him more tolerable
But Marinette is not exactly thrilled
Wait! The statue scene!? Remembered positively? Someone summon @gentil-minou
So seems that Luka noticed something was up. Guess I can’t have nice things
So Marinette isn’t denying she loves Adrien but that s*** is complicated and that the statue scene is cringe. Which we relive again!
Well damn, Marinette is very much aware of her issue regarding romance. I swear it’s like something happened that gave her love trauma or something. Aside from chat blanc I mean.
Wait a minute, she is having Luka accompany her… wait a minute, is this Frozer 2.0?
ML really gave Marinette and Adrien emotional support Exes.
Well at least with context I don’t feel annoyance at the scene.
Kagami here finding it amusing that Adrien is a jelly bean
Luka really just said “cut the crap” to Marinette in the nicest way possible. I approve of this blue boy
And Marinette…
But Luka ain’t having it! Well damn. I guess I have to stan for now (you still on thin ice)
Luka was straight up about to leave. But she begs for help
Adrien asked if Kagami was staying. Kagami is like “Trust me bitch, you will need me.”
That Adrien Siri is weird. Like she talking to Adrien but then Siri Adrien
The museum curator called Veronique (like Veronica)
This episode really is if Frozer and puppeteer 2.0 had a baby but it was made with love despite the tension
Marinette and Adrien have VERY different memories of that scene
Adrien! MY GUY! MY DUDE! Fucking dropping that bomb with the softest smile
Even Luka and Kagami are like “wait what!?” Then just walk off while Marinette panics
Luka explains why Adrien and Marinette are having trouble communicating their feelings in a nice way
Kagami “They are idiots”
Adrien clarifying that he does understand it was awkward but he wasn’t embarassed
Boy was feeling this in SEASON 3! I f***ing knew it!
I see that Marinette is like:
She is panicking
Luka really out here being Marinette’s brain cell
Kagami “you jelly?”
Adrien “I don’t know? But I do wish that were me”
Okay so I see where the mayor is coming from, but he is kind of a dick about the statues
Veronique is correct in this
Oh the mayor is playing dirty, yep! That’s what I expected from a filthy politician
Adrien is trying, Lord knows he is trying
Adrien chuckling at her antics. And Luka and Kagami are representing use viewers
But now the blue bergade got a plan
Luka and Kagami Litterally used the trap from 3 episodes ago. I’m amazed
And cue monarch
The container spheres hover? It’s cool and I HATE IT
Well damn, monarch really be twisting these words and akumatizing people with clever arguements
So she is now immune to powers. Anyone realize we are getting a better look at the powers now than with the other heroes in season 4?
JUST WHEN IT WAS GETTING GOOD! A f***ing akuma shows up!
Marinette yeeted our so quickly she left the boy!
Manipula, sweetie. You are being manipulated
Also I like the name
Chat noir out here being ladybug motivation
Oooo! Each card has a piece of the akuma. Neat!
Villainous akuma “open the museum!”
Chloe (who has no powers) “No!”
Mayor. “Well you heard her…”
Damn, manipula playing hard ball
Cue montage, also they beat polymouse and trapped her like a rat
“You are in great shape chaton” ladybug please contain your thirst… I’m kidding KEEP GOING
Replica ladybug (summons massive weapon) ah as expected
Yo… did that clone just talk?! That’s some mind games level s***.
THE BUBBLES! Oh we be seeing a reversal of the square! Oh damn!!!
Lucky charm is a bowling ball
Casually points to mayor in corner
Chloe out here being salty despite being a hostage. Like seriously Chloe get over it
Chat noir managed to get over using cataclysm quick. Also bitch be a fucking G with that move. Your power doesn’t work on her!
Chat noir out here being motivational
Ladybug drops a chandelier on her head. Damn. Well this shows that the power only nulifies powers. So basically the secret to winning it “HITTING THEM REALLY HARD!”
She forgot minotaurox.
Ladybug was ready to our right confess, and chat noir is like “I know what you mean best buddy!”
Ladybug wanted him to stay. Ugh!!! My heart!
And the sad music! I can’t!
Adrien is looking for her. Baby boy
HE ADMITS IT!!!!
And Marinette admits to loving chat noir!
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Welp, as lovesquare trash, this episode was amazing
10/10
It had good stakes, excellent drama. And it made me enjoy every scene with the blue boy
I loved every minute of it.
I liked the fight, I enjoyed the hilarious antics. It was done right.
#ml spoilers#Gale review#miraculous ladybug#ml season 5#ml determination#lovesquare#adrinette#ladynoir#Ladrien#it was beautiful
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Bro just finished S5, currently losing my mind
LUKA WAS WITH MASTER SU-HAN?? This whole time?? AND DIDNT TELL ANYONE??
is this new outfit going to be permanent PLEASE don't be permanent (it messes up his color scheme) WHERE IS REAL LUKA
I mean. It makes sense and is in character for him ig, BUT I NEED MORE DETAILS. NOW!!! -me and Marinette and Juleka aggressively sit Luka down and demand to know what he's been up to-
EXPLAIN THIS! GIVE IT CONTEXT! IS THIS SOME MISERABLE TEASER FOR NEXT SEASON HOW DARE YOU
I am also processing the rest of the ending, give my brain some SPACE yall
Unapologetically a Luka stan on main
Like. Fr bro? Why bust out the surprise like this?? Why didn't you tell anyone alfjalfjslddhaljdskn
And this is all BEFORE I get around to processing that JAGGED STONE HAS RECEIVED THE SAME TREATMENT?? That alone would be a struggle to wrap my brain around but tbh that hardly rates the top ten
I NEED AN EXPLANATION ABOUT LUKA
"He comes back after Monarch is defeated" I THOUGHT. LIKE. A HAPPY REUNION EVERYON IS SAFE SCENARIO! NOT "LUKA HAS BEEN HAVING RIDICULOUS ADVENTURES AND DIDN'T TELL US'
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Of course this is said from someone who has never seen the show. God forbid folks favorite character, is THE SECOND MAIN CHARACTER AND IN THE TITLE OF THE SHOW.
God forbid abuse survivors find Adrichat’s story relatable and react negatively to people who salt on him for, checks notes, being a rich white boy? Because being rich and white protects you from abuse lol okay
Someone go tell Kesha that the horrific abuse she endured for years doesn’t count because she’s rich and white.
Someone go tell Britney Spears and Amanda Bynes that they deserve their conservatorships because they’re too volitile and emotional and need someone else to control their entire lives. Also they’re rich and white so they should be thankful for their privilege.
Also as a fandom veteran, I’m also baffled that this anon says they’ve never seen fandom go this feral over a white boy so I guess the whole Superwholock thing doesn’t exist in this person’s universe. I’m getting war flashbacks…
I really hope this doesn't come off as rude, but I just have a small request for any anons in the future: if y'all want me to comment on someone else's post, please send it in a separate ask. I just don't want to post someone else's post and start an argument or something.
That being said, I do agree. My detailed thoughts under the cut.
"Adrien stans are white people who get unhinged over a white boy," say the Marinette stans and Marinette stan observers, not realizing that they espouse disgusting abuse apologism on a daily basis and victim blame a character who is a victim of abuse for being traumatized all because he made a few decisions that weren't about Marinette and her well-being alone.
This is ridiculous on so many levels. First the assumption that all Adrien stans are white people. Second, the assumption that we must be Adrien stans because he's a white boy and we don't care about POC characters as much as we do the white ones. Which is actually quite insulting to me.
Maybe these people should actually read what Adrien stans have to say. Maybe they should actually understand why we love Adrien so much. Maybe they should understand why we get so heated over him.
Know what? I'll tell you why. It's because Adrien is despite the writers' best efforts to undermine him an interesting and likeable character. He is a canonical abuse victim, and he struggles with his self-worth and his identity, which is a relatable story to many people. He's an entertaining and interesting character. He's the deuteragonist of the damn show. People are bound to love him. There's more to him than being a white boy and it's very insulting to imply that people obsess over him because he's white or because his fans are white.
And about how Adrien stans get "unhinged" about Adrien and not about other characters... we're literally Adrien stans. Which means Adrien is our favorite character. Naturally, we're going to talk more about him. This is basic common sense. I don't understand the problem here with liking Adrien more than other characters. Are we not allowed to have faves anymore?
And you know why Adrien stans get "unhinged" over him? Because the show treats him badly! Why shouldn't we get mad that a character whom we love is being treated poorly by the writers? Why can't we get heated about that? Marinette stans get heated about their fave being victimized by the narrative all the time, so why is it a crime if Adrien stans get upset if Adrien gets the same treatment? Adrien's story in the show ended with him being reduced to an object and a prop for his girlfriend so that she could side with his abuser and start controlling him instead. Why can't we get angry at that?
Marinette stans will talk about how both Adrien and Marinette are written badly but only Marinette gets criticized and how that's racist and shit, and will ignore the fact that our criticism has nothing to do with race and everything to do with Marinette siding with Gabriel to lie to an abuse victim, and how the show frames this as correct. We criticize Marinette because she's making an awful mistake and doing bad things! This is like, the worst strawman I have ever seen. At some point, it really feels like they are being willfully ignorant.
And about how Adrien stans treat other characters, riddle me this. Who has a proper tag dedicated to bashing them on AO3? Who was the character who was salted on so much when Syren aired? Who was the character being raked over the coals when Chameleon aired? Who was the character who was salted on in Season 4 for breaking a damn fucking chimney? Who was the character whose struggles in Season 4 were overlooked by Marinette stans who criticized him for "being entitled to Ladybug?" Who was the character who was relentlessly salted on whenever he did anything that didn't completely attend to Marinette's needs? Who is the character who was labelled a "sexual harasser?" Who is the character on whom these "fans" rain down their victim blaming and abuse apologia? Who is the character who has the longest history of being salted and bashed by the Marinette stans?
And I will laugh at the audacity of Marinette stans to argue in favor of POC characters and blame Adrien stans for "obsessing over a white boy while not giving the same treatment to characters of color" while their legacy includes salting Alya for not being Marinette's perfect emotional support BFF. Who has their own salt tag apart from Adrien on AO3? Alya does. It's laughable to me that Marinette stans harp on about how Adrien stans prefer the white boy over the POC characters when they spent the better part of the last few years bashing Alya and even devolved into outright racism against her. To say nothing of how they treated Kagami after Frozer dropped.
And these people accuse Adrien stans of showing preferential treatment to white characters? Marinette stans have no leg to stand on when it comes to calling out other people's treatment of POC characters. And I'm not saying that the anon or OP of the post are racist or that they personally contributed to this. But if they are going to make sweeping statements about Adrien stans accusing all of us of going unhinged over a white boy and treating POC characters unfairly, they should maybe take a look inwards at their own community.
Marinette stans have spent years bashing every other character for the smallest perceived slight. Marinette stans created a whole new genre of Miraculous fanfiction dedicated to propping up Marinette like their personal goddess and punishing other characters for not being her devoted slaves. Marinette stans have contributed greatly to the racism in this fandom. Look at all this and tell me: who really seems unhinged here?
So yeah. Ice cold take imo. Also, obligatory disclaimer: Not all Marinette stans are like this! Most of them are nice and sweet, but there are also plenty of bad apples who have been responsible for a lot of toxicity in this fandom.
Thank you for your ask!
#MLB#Adrien Agreste#Chat Noir#Adrien Sugar#Marinette Salt#ML Salt#ML Fandom Salt#ML Writing Salt#ML Writers Salt#Meta#My meta#Asks#Ladybug Salt#Seriously Marinette stans do not look at this post
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