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pizzaboat · 3 years

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So I've seen alot of people give their theory's and opinions on what's going to happen to Lilith in season 2 of the owl house, whether or not she's forgiven, where she's going to stay and how she'll act I guess, and the major thing being if she's redeemed or how redeemed she is.

I'm just going to throw my own thoughts out there and say that obviously there's still alot to do with her character. I also have no intention of bashing her character, I actually enjoy when she's on screen. I do like her but she's still problematic. So buckle up this is a long one.

To get my thoughts straight I'll break what I have to say down into parts, cause I get distracted easily.

First up im going to say I think she is far from redeemed. My impression of her is that she regrets cursing her sister, but she also finds some sort of sick pride in it too, as shown in agony of a witch when she screams " then why were you so easy to curse!?".

She also has no problem hurting literal children to get what she wants either, but that's another issue I'll discuse.

Lilith seems to resent her younger sister to an extreme, unhealthy degree. I could sit here and theorise about her child-hood and teen years wondering what could have created such insecurities in her, but im not going to. That is irrelevant to the point im trying to make. What's important to keep in mind though is that she was "perfect prissy Lilith"- the covention growing up, Eda was good at almost everything, and that Lilith cursed Eda to secure a spot in the emperors coven when Lilith was 18-19 and Eda was 16-17.

Is she redeemed ?

No i don't think she is even half way there. She cursed Eda in her sleep to win a fight. Lied for over thirty years to Eda about that curse. Mocked Eda for the symptoms of a curse she put on her "Why don't you go home and rest wouldn't want you breaking hip"- sense and insensitivity . she kidnapped Luz to use her against her sister, used Luz as a human meat shield in her and Eda's battle during agony of a witch, was generally quite rude to Luz when she wasn't dangling her over a pit of spikes, and also SPIKES.

Taking on half of a curse she put on her sister in the first place doesn't begin to cover the trauma and pain she's caused in the name of healing her sister, enforcing the emperors laws and joining said emperors coven.

I would also like to point out that she had a way to elevate her sisters pain all this time but she didn't. I've seen arguments like she trusted the emperor to heal her sister but I can already point out so many things wrong with that.

even if she did trust him, no normal person could sit by and watch any family member they claim to care about suffer, if she trusted the emperor so much she would have split the curse sooner, (providing Eda would have let her of course) and had him heal her or Eda both.

But she didn't do that she lied to her sister for years, partly because she was scared of losing Eda and also Eda's reaction which was, and would always be unbridalled rage. but also to an extent it suited her, it suited her to be the successful sibling, the sibling doing things "right" Lilith seems to be as I said before extremely insecure, and I think that just going off the episodes she was in and the impression the show puts forward.

If what I've noticed is correct, Lilith has spent her life in her sisters shadow, bullied in school as revealed in the end of something ventured something framed, nobody took her seriously due to her appearance and probably being a late bloomer in a lot of ways. She would have jumped at the chance to be given the same respect that Eda and other talented witches or well off, higher up witches recieved.

In other words the emperors coven fed Liliths' battered ego, telling her what she wanted to hear.

It makes sense that she wouldn't want to let that go, but in the context of what has happened and the fact she seemed to still try and stick with the emperors coven before Belos sent her to be executed along with eda and king.

She isn't redeemed, she probably doesn't see much wrong with how she's behaved up until now(besides cursing Eda) and there's still alot of work for her to do. She only split half the curse because her expulsion from the coven forced her to address a mistake she made for once.

Season 2 and maybe more seasons looks like where she'll be earning her redemption. Hopefully she'll be forced to face more of her flaws and short comings and work on them.

Will she be forgiven?

Lilith from what has been shown has hurt;

Eda Luz, King, Amity, Willow and Gus. They all have different reasons to be hostile towards her.

Eda

She cursed Eda and almost subjected her to a faith worse than death, lied to her, mocked her. Kidnapped her apprentice and almost got Luz killed a number of times,using her as a sheild. She dragged Luz into the whole messed up rivalry. I don't think Eda will forgive her emediatly, after all, even if she can forgive Lilith for what she did to her, she would also have to forgive her for what she did to Luz.

She essentially kidnapped Edas' surrogate daughter, Eda was much angrier about Luz's suffering than her own "you hurt luz, you cursed me. before anything turns me to stone I'm going to tear you apart!" - young blood, old souls

Yeah Eda was fit to murder her sister, taking some of the curse probably only got rid of her homicidal desire towards Lilith, thats it.

Luz

I've seen some people make fan content in which Luz immediately forgives Lilith or comes round eventually to her when Lilith acts nice around the house.

That seems super out of character for Luz, sure Luz is characterised to be kind and sweet but if the final proves anything its that she has a ruthless streak that comes out when she tries to protect the people she loves, her family. Lilith has threatened the people she cares about. I don't see Luz letting that slide, and she would probably still be on guard. Luz may have accepted her help in young blood old souls, but that was only because she wanted to save Eda she told Lilith she didn't like her "whole deal" and she meant it.

Lilith would have to prove she's really changed for the better for luz to begin to for give her.

King

I like the idea of King and Lilith becoming friends simply for comedy perposes, if King were to forgive her and I think he'd be one of the closest to it out of the main characters.

They'd be a force of sheer stupidity and ego they'd be bad and good for each other, King weirdly enough would be more emotionally mature since he's learned things like you can't be posesive over people in really small problems it's a lesson Lilith needs to learn since she seems to resent Luz to an extent, thinking Luz was taking her sister from her "Edalyn is with her family, her real family. Go back to your world human this one is ours" - agony of a witch

Of course before this she needs to also earn his forgiveness, he wasn't there for agony of a witch but he did experience the fear and worry of losing eda in young blood, old souls the only person he had up until then was Eda " King and I, we don't have much in this world. we only have each other"- A lying witch and a Warden. Lilith helping rescue Eda might have helped improve his opinion of her, but Lilith would have to get over herself first to begin her redemption.

Hooty

I don't think Hooty would hold a grudge, mostly because he's comic relief and weird. Since I personally think no one in the owl house would be bothering with her, and I see her being forced to live In the shed. I think Hooty would be her only company and I think it would be unexpected and really funny if he's the first person/bird thing to open her eyes to her awful behaviour. You gotta start somewhere and Hooty is it.

Amity, Gus and Willow

I think Gus and Willow will be stand-offish until Luz and King forgive Lilith.

Once Lilith has developed more as a person she owes Amity an apology for how she behaved as a teacher. Amity would be mad after the covention episode, but almost killing her crush would make her protective of Luz, and wary of her in general.

Conclusion

Lilith hasn't been redeemed in my opinion, there's still alot of growth she needs to go through, she's made alot of terrible mistakes and decisions, its what makes her so interesting. I like her but she's a sh*t person, but she can learn to be less of a sh*t person.

I'm aware this is a kids show and she probably won't get all this development or she could get different character development and that would be awesome, its just my thoughts and opinions and I'm really excited for season 2.

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mewmewchann · 7 years

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RWBY: Y.v.S - Crashing Tides

As one of their friends suddenly turns against them, the tension in the arena rises to breaking point. But will the sudden arrival of another team even the odds?

Blake, Weiss and Ren arrived at Beacon's courtyard to find it in chaos. Student huntsmen were fighting off hordes of Grimm and rogue Atlesian robots.

"What's going on?" Weiss asked. "The robots are supposed to be on OUR side!"

"Someone must've hacked into the Atlesian system." Ren replied, readying his weapons.

Blake sighed. "...Torchwick?"

"Obviously."

Jaune and Pyrrha approached them after taking down a pack of Ursai.

"Guys!" Jaune said. "You're here!"

"Are you okay?" Pyrrha asked.

"We're fine." Ren said, looking around for his teammate. "Where's Nora?"

"Right behind ya!" Nora exclaimed cheerily, while using her hammer to smash an Atlesian robot to pieces.

Jaune nodded. "Okay, team! Let's go!" He said, as team JNPR headed off to take down some more Grimm.

Weiss and Blake were about to follow, when Blake noticed an airship – a Bullhead, to be exact – with the White Fang's symbol on it.

"What!?" Blake gasped, her eyes widening in horror. "What are the White Fang doing here!?"

The Bullhead's door suddenly opened, and a pack of Beowolves leapt out.

"They're releasing Grimm into the school!" Weiss exclaimed, watching as the Beowolves attacked a group of trainee huntsmen.

She turned over to Blake. Blake had a determined expression on her face.

Weiss sighed.

"Well, if you insist. But hold on!"

Weiss took out what looked like some kind of card. It was a cartridge filled with different dust types, and was the perfect size for Blake's gun.

"If you're going to fight, you should at least be prepared." She gave her a smile. "Be safe, okay?"

Blake nodded and took the cartridge. "I will." She started running in the direction of the ship.

Weiss watched her go for a bit, then ran off to help her friends.

Ruby used her speed semblance to dodge another of Penny's high speed attacks.

"What do you mean, 'you both knew about it'!?" She asked.

Velvet shrugged. "It was pretty obvious!"

"Considering her mannerisms and behaviour," Fox added. "It was clear that she was a robot. Also, it's even more obvious now."

Ruby looked up.

Penny was once again using her swords to suspend herself in mid-air. She had more swords at the ready, and her eyes were bright red.

"But why?" Ruby asked. "Why would she suddenly turn against us!?"

"It must be a virus in the Atlesian system." Fox replied. “Someone must have hacked into it and is controlling all the robotic units.”

“Uh...” Ruby said uncertainly. “Translation?”

Fox sighed. “A bad guy is being bad and the robots are now evil.”

“That makes sense.”

Ruby took her scythe, Crescent Rose, and fired a few shots at Penny’s swords, in the hope of taking them down. Penny managed to block them, and started shooting lasers from the swords, which Ruby blocked with her scythe.

“What are we supposed to do!?”

“There’s only one thing to do...” Fox said, looking over to his teammate. “Vel? This is your cue.”

Velvet suddenly looked excited. “Really?”

Fox nodded. “Just make it count.”

Velvet also nodded and began to step forward.

“Ruby, get back.”

“What!?” Ruby replied, shocked at her friend’s sudden actions. “You’re going to get hurt!”

“No.” Fox said. “Just stand back and watch the show.”

Ruby was still confused, but eventually stood back as Velvet walked towards her opponent.

Penny took notice of her new challenger, and readied her swords, all of them pointed at her target.

Velvet activated her weapon, and as the others watched, it generated a hard-light copy of Coco’s gatling gun.

Yang had tried to run out of her dorm room as quickly as possible after hearing the news. After her mistake in the tournament, she wanted to help fight off the Grimm so the others would see her in a good light again.

It wasn’t long after leaving the academy building that someone had inevitably shoved her out of the way.

It was a girl. Yang had heard her telling other people to move out of the way, but didn’t know how close this stranger was until she had gotten in her way.

“Sorry!” The stranger said. “I’m just trying to get my team to the colosseum!”

Yang couldn’t make out all of her features, but she could tell that she was a faunus of some kind.

“Wha-?” Yang started. “But the fight is over-”

Another person approached the stranger. He appeared to have a long ponytail and was carrying what looked like a baseball bat.

“Are we close?” He asked the stranger.

“We’re pretty close, Luce.” She replied. “Just a bit more this way.”

The other person sighed. “I told you a million times not to call me that, Crimson...”

Two other young girls – one carrying a massive gourd on her back and the other with a huge hammer – also arrived.

“We need to get going!” The girl with the gourd said to the group. “We won’t make it to the arena in time if we don’t hurry!”

“I dunno, why don’t we just stay here for a while?” The girl with the hammer objected cheerily. “I kinda like this pla-”

“ROSE!”

“Okay! No need to get all angry about it!”

The faunus nodded. “Okay, if you two are finished arguing, then let’s go!”

The team left and started heading in the direction of Amity Colosseum.

Yang managed to get up and shout something to them.

“There are loads of Grimm in the colosseum! Are you INSANE!?”

The girl with the hammer turned around.

She shrugged. “We all are.” She replied nonchalantly, and continued running.

“SHE CAN MAKE COPIES OF EVERYONE ELSE’S WEAPONS!?”

Fox sighed. “What do you think all those pictures were for?”

“I- I- That’s-” Ruby stammered excitedly. “THAT’S SO COOL!”

Velvet was keeping up with Penny’s attacks using a hard-light copy of Pyrrha’s sword and shield.

“Thank you!” She replied happily, before deflecting a green laser with her shield. The shield and sword shifted into a copy of Ember Celica – Yang’s gauntlets.

Ruby looked a little uneasy when she saw her sister’s weapon.

Using the holographic weapons, Velvet punched a flurry of bullets toward her opponent’s weapons.

Penny managed to recover and glared down at Velvet angrily. Six more swords flew out of her backpack and she sent all of her active swords toward her target.

Velvet panicked and the pair of gauntlets shifted into a copy of Yatsuhashi’s sword; which she used to try and block the attacks, but it proved too much. The copy of the sword shattered into nothing and Velvet was sent backwards.

“VELVET!” Fox called out, grabbing his teammate before she was sent over the edge of the arena. “Are you okay?”

Velvet nodded. “I’m fine...”

“Well,” Ruby started. “What no-”

Her statement was immediately interrupted by a fog of steam suddenly clouding over the arena.

“What!?” Ruby exclaimed. “What the hell-!?”

Penny desperately looked around the arena for the three huntsmen, but the clouds of thick steam proved too much.

Suddenly, a burning slash – generated by fire dust – flew from the side of the arena and hit the robot directly in the back, sending her falling to the arena floor.

As if the sudden smokescreen didn’t confuse Ruby enough already, the metallic clunk on the arena floor confused her even more.

It wasn’t until the steam started to clear that she realised who had caused this.

“Hey! Ruby!” A cheery voice called out from one of the colosseum’s seating areas. “Fancy seeing YOU here!”

Ruby recognised the voice instantly.

“CRIMSON!?”

Ruby looked up. Crimson – who was carrying a small sword which had a v-shaped slot that was filled with fire dust – was in the audience seating area with three other huntsmen.

The first was dressed mostly in dark grey. He had dark hair with a light grey streak at the front, and had it in a long ponytail. He was wearing a dark grey outfit and boots. The boots had been somehow decorated with white bandages, and he was carrying what looked like a dark grey baseball bat.

The other two were girls. One – who looked only 12 – had short blue hair, a white top with a black cloth belt and was also carrying a massive gourd on her back. She also had a blue staff in her right hand.

The second had her hair in twin ponytails – One was red, the other was pink and the rest of her hair was dark and had a large pink bow on it. She wore a white vest-top and a blue miniskirt – the vest having a picture of a heart and a star, and the words “it’s okay to be insane” printed on it. The skin that she showed was adorned with various tattoos, and – for some convoluted reason – she was also wearing pink ice skates. She carried a large pink hammer in her right hand.

“Sorry about the sudden intervention!” Crimson said with a shrug.

“I’d barely call this an intervention...” The girl with the gourd objected.

“Fair point, Marina. ANYWAY...” Crimson continued. “Sorry I didn’t have the time to introduce you to my team.”

“Wait...” Ruby replied. “These guys are your team?”

“Sherlock Red gets it again!” The girl with the hammer answered chirpily.

“No need to be sarcastic, Rose.” The huntsman with the bat said.

“Yeah, this is my team!” Crimson explained nonchalantly. “Here are the names: Crimson Foxx, Lucifer Graye, Marina Aqua and Rose Petalle. You can pretty much deduce who we are from names alone.”

She was right. Ruby figured out that the huntsman with the bat was Lucifer, the huntress with the gourd was Marina and the huntress with the hammer was Rose.

“And together,” Crimson continued. “We form team CLMR!”

“Team Cal-what?” Ruby asked, confused.

“It’s pronounced: ‘Calmari’.” Crimson answered. “Anyway, introduction’s over. Who’s ass do we have to kick?”

“That one, apparently.” Rose replied, pointing her hammer towards the robot in the middle of the ring. Penny recovered from the attack and glared at her new adversaries.

“She’s behaving just like the Atlesian machines in the city...” Lucifer said, looking down at her.

“That can only mean that she’s a machine herself.” Marina replied.

Lucifer nodded. “That’s right.”

“Well, either way...” Crimson readied her sword. “Once we get back to Vacuo, we’re mounting a circuitboard on our wall.”

“Wait, wha-!?” Ruby started.

Penny sent four swords directly towards Crimson’s team.

While she was preparing the swords, Lucifer readied his bat, which folded into a miniature sniper rifle; which he fired at his opponent.

Since he was using electricity dust, it did a lot of damage.

After recovering, Penny directed all four swords towards him.

“Big mistake.” He said nonchalantly, his sniper rifle shifting back into a bat. When the swords got close enough, he hit them straight back at her with a swing of his weapon.

Penny got hit by them, and sent them straight back.

Instead of hitting them back, Lucifer jumped forwards to dodge them and landed on the wall. He then started running around the arena wall like it was nothing.

Ruby was in awe. “How is he doing that? Is that his sembla-”

“No.” Crimson answered. “He might use his semblance in a bit.”

Lucifer continued sprinting across the arena wall, occasionally slowing down to shoot at Penny with his sniper rifle. Penny suddenly aimed all of her swords at him and sent them forward.

“Uh, Marina!?” He called out to his teammate. “A little help here!”

Marina nodded. “Got it.”

Something suddenly shot out of the gourd Marina carried on her back to grab the swords. After a while, Ruby realised that it was water.

Marina subtly moved her hand upwards, and the water lifted the swords up. Since they were still connected to her, it lifted Penny up too.

Penny desperately sent a sword towards her, but Marina’s staff jumped out of her hand on it’s own and swung in mid air to block the attack.

“What!? How is your weapon moving on it’s own!?” Velvet asked.

“It’s called hydrokinesis.”

“But how-”

“It’s loaded with water dust. Since it’s still technically water, I can control it.” The staff elegantly flew back into her hand.

“Oh.”

“Exactly.” She nodded towards Rose. “She’s pinned. Now.”

“You got it~!” Rose replied with a cheerful salute, before jumping into the arena herself.

Except, she didn’t land on the arena. A pillar of ice projected out of nowhere to catch her. She ran – or, more accurately, skated – forwards, more ice appearing underneath her ice skates.

“That’s actually pretty clever.” Fox stated, watching her circle around Penny. “Those ice skates combined with your semblance put you at a tactical advantage. But does that mean-”

“Yup! I use my semblance whenever I walk!” Rose replied. “Honestly, I prefer skating over walking.”

Her hammer suddenly retracted into a shape similar to that of a handbag. The front of her weapon opened, and an ice dust crystal shot out.

“AN ICE CANNON!?” Ruby exclaimed.

The ice dust hit Penny’s swords directly, partly freezing them, but leaving enough water behind.

“She must be using her cryokinesis to control how it freezes...” Velvet stated.

“It’s ready~!” Rose exclaimed.

Marina nodded, and subtly flicked her hand downwards.

The water jerked the swords downward, and slammed penny into the arena floor. The water around the swords retracted back into Marina’s gourd, letting them hit the arena floor, too. The ice around the swords shattered, encasing the arena in an icy mist.

Ruby tried to wave the mist out of her face, and managed to see what was going on.

Penny had managed to get up, and couldn’t find anyone anywhere.

Suddenly, Crimson appeared behind her. Her sword was raised and the fire dust inside it was causing it to catch fire a little.

Ruby immediately realised what she was going to do.

“STOP!”

Crimson stopped in mid air and fell to the arena floor.

Penny heard this and dodged forwards. The mist was clearing from the arena.

“Gah...” Crimson struggled to get up. “What the hell’s that about!? I had a perfect shot!”

“You can’t kill her!” Ruby pleaded, tears forming in her eyes. “She’s my friend!”

Crimson noticed this and kept quiet. Ruby continued.

“She was fine earlier. But something happened to the Atlesian system and-”

“I think I know what’s going on.” Lucifer said. He was still standing on the side of the arena.

“What are you-”

“Someone must have found a back door into the Atlesian system and turned their robots against us. Unfortunately...” He sighed. “Ironwood made the mistake of having all his androids connected to the same cloud.”

“Uh, cloud?”

“It’s a programming thing.” Marina answered.

“Uh, guys?” Rose said, getting their attention. “I think the robot girl’s trying to leave!”

Ruby suddenly turned her attention towards the centre of the arena.

Two jet-like wings shot out of Penny’s backpack and she flew up and out of the arena.

“Dammit!” Ruby exclaimed. “Get back here!”

Rose, Lucifer and Marina jumped back into the arena.

“What should we do!?” Crimson asked.

“You guys have to go to the city and help the others.” Ruby answered. “I have to find a way after her.”

“Unfortunately, last time I checked, sniper shots from a gun-scythe can’t catch up to a flying robot.” Fox retorted.

“Exactly!” Ruby exclaimed. “What should I-”

“Ruby, is it?” Marina got Ruby’s attention.

“Uh, yeah?”

There was a small, thin cylinder of water hovering just above the arena floor.

Marina smiled. “Maybe I could be of some assistance?”

Ruby nodded. “Thank you!”

She stepped onto the circle of water.

“Keep your arms in the vehicle at all times.” Marina said jokingly.

“Okay- wait, what?”

The water suddenly shot upwards, carrying Ruby into the sky.

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