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lillie98 · 3 days

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How to Save the World—Stranger Things 5

I’ve had some time to sleep on the episode titles and think about them, read theories, etc. and I now believe they might be real.

Hear me out: Stranger Things is all about cycles, parallels, tropes happening over and over again. The Duffers love taking a moment and repeating it in slightly different ways to prove a point. The story started with “The Vanishing of Will Byers” because we needed to place a small, innocent child in the center of our story, something to bring our character together and drive them to action. Well, that child is no longer in danger and our team is ripping apart at the seams. It’s almost like we need something similar to reunite everyone and drive them to action again.

Remember: The Duffers love parallels. Will’s disappearance brought his deeply fractured family together, uniting them for a common cause. It also brought Nancy and Jon together when their families needed them most. Now, the Byers are a united front, ready to tackle any monster that comes their way. They are the glorification of the avant-gard family. Now which family is struggling? The Wheelers. The perfect, All-America Nuclear Family: Mom, Dad, 3 kids, and a picket fence. They look perfect to the outside world, but behind closed doors, they are deeply struggling. They don’t communicate, the parents have idea what’s happening in their children’s lives, and if they’re not careful, if they don’t come together and form a united front—they’re going to lose everything, potentially causing the end of the world. (Why? I haven’t gotten that far yet!)

Now, how do we inspire them to action? Maybe by taking the child who was born to save their crumbling marriage—the one has seen everything but, up until this point, been too young to contribute. Now, she’ll be the same age Will was when he disappeared and Mike and Will are the same age as Jon and Nancy. The Duffers are trying to illustrate the idea of “The Next Generation.” This evil, this Upside Down dimension is NEVER going to stop until someone from the Wheeler and Byers families breaks the cycle. Children will continue to vanish, the world will continue to crumble, until someone steps up and says ENOUGH. The Wheelers and Byers (parents and children) must step up and face their pasts in order to move forward.

The “Stranger Things” are not only LGBTQ+ matters, they are the skeletons we hide in the closet that literally eat us alive. They are the dark, festering parts of ourselves we don’t let anyone else see. The invisible cancers that slowly and silently kill us. Until we face them head on, until we bring them to the light, they will NEVER die. Stranger Things is about owning your past, facing your fears, and finding the light again.

So yes, Stranger Things will end with Will Byers making it home from Mike Wheeler’s house on November 6, 1983, but not in a time traveling way, in a finally letting go of that scared, pained little boy who thought the world was better off without him. It’s Mike accepting his sexuality and place in his family. His role as a leader. It’s Joyce accepting love from Hopper, who must accept that he is not actually cursed, but that sometimes, bad things happen to good people, even when they think they’re doing the right thing (Vietnam). it’s Karen and Ted falling in love again and fighting to save their family. It’s Eleven discovering that love, not anger, should fuel her powers. It’s mourning your stolen childhood while stepping into the version of yourself that child never got to be. It’s stopping the cycle and creating a better world for the Will Byers and Mike Wheelers and Jane Hoppers of tomorrow. THAT’S how you become a Hero.

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lighthouseas · 7 months

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will holding mike's face when they kiss and mike holding will's neck when they kiss. that is all

#something something mike getting called frog face and being insecure about his looks and something something will loving him BECAUSE of that #<- like. how he looks #and so when they kiss his fingers naturally drift to mike's face to run over his defined jaw and his cheeks and in his messy curly hair #because will loves & adores those parts of him so much & he finally gets to cherish them as his.#and mike like. tears up about it or whatever. and something something mike subconciously feeling like he needs to protect will from #-everything so he places his hands - his big giant hands that he has also probably been insecure about - over will's neck to cover it #-completely because he wants to stamp out that feeling that darkness lurks around every corner in will's neck #he just wants will to feel safe and warm in his arms and the heat of mike's hands practically dissolves the chill down will's neck #or whatever. if you even care. and they make out sloppy also #stranger things #byler #mike wheeler #will byers #st.txt

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fruitbythefoot7 · 1 month

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will loves mike the way mike wants to be loved

#and this is why #in my humble opinion #the van scene is a heartbreakingly beautiful scene #bc in that moment mike thinks he’s nothing while will thinks he’s everything #bc mike struggles w feeling inferior and useless #especially bc he doesn’t have any cool powers or special abilities and he didn’t ACTUALLY go through anything particularly traumatizing #(which is false)#and then wills like hey wait a minute #i love you exactly as you are but i can’t tell you that because i know that you don’t feel the same #so if el loves you then she must feel like i do #bc how could who not with you as her bf?#so he tells mike what he feels #how he loves him #and it’s what mike wants to hear #BECAUSE WILL LOVES HIM.#WILLIAM BYERS LOVES MICHAEL WHEELER #I AM SO SO SICK #ITS CANON THAT HE LOVES HIM #AND MIKE MAKES WILL FEEL LIKE MAYBE ITS OK THAT HE LIKES BOYS #BECAUSE HE LIKES MIKE.#DO YOU UNDERSTAND #AHGHDJSNWKSNSJSJSBWNNSNS #byler #will byers #mike wheeler #stranger things #lia talks

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pinkeoni · 1 year

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One selfish reason why I like Will creation powers theory so much is because it does make him stupidly powerful in a way that makes Vecna look like a total loser in comparison. Oh you had to mind control half the town into drinking clorox so you could make your one (1) big monster meanwhile twelve-year-old Will is blasting out sentient monsters and perfect replicas of Hawkins without even realizing it. You wanna be him sooooo bad

#when your narrative foil has everything you want and more because he believes in the power of love and friendship #and was raised in a more loving environment than you #will byers #stranger things #byler #<- target audience #will byers has powers

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thranduel · 2 years

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1x02 + 4x09

#byler #byler analysis #will byers #mike wheeler #do you hear me crying #everything just hits so much harder knowing that will loved mike from the start #and it's very possible that mike also loved will from the start too #even though we don't have full confirmation #i feel like karen knows mike so much more than it seems #even though they don't have many scenes together you can tell they're close and she loves and cares for her son so much #and she pays a lot more attention than ted #so i wouldn't be surprised if she has picked up on things too #and why else would people assume things about will?#it's possible that mike and will were always by each other's side and people just started making assumptions and judged them #it's also clear that they have the closest relationship even though mike said his best friend was lucas in season 1 #it just seems like there's so much more going on #because all the other characters seem to know mike and will are the closest too #karen wheeler #jonathan byers #stranger things #mike #will #otp: the best thing i've ever done #stranger things parallels

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harp-bo-barp · 7 months

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im rewatching s1, and i genuinely miss the raw emotion and horror of it, man. like I love all of the seasons so much, but nothing will compare to season 1 with winona's acting specifically. i swear, every single scene with her just ends up giving me chills. like she is actually so good, the duffers need to give her more acting like that in season 5 goddamn.

#like ever since s3 stranger things basically turned into a comedy #which is fine like I LOVE SEASON 3 #but also like I said I just miss the seriousness and raw emotion of season 1 #it just felt so real. like you were there almost. feeling and experiencing all of their emotions. the distress #the panic #the mourning #EVERYTHING #stranger things #stranger things season 1 #joyce byers #winona ryder

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donghuamuqing · 2 years

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Need an au of end-of-s4 mike going back in time to the beginning of s1 and immediately going ‘holy shit i can save will’ but every time he tries something goes wrong. He tries to make will spend the night but the demogorgon comes and hurts mikes family and will still gets taken. He tries going with will to wills house but they both get taken. Maybe he tries going to the lab first but gets terry ives’d. He cant leave the time loop until he realizes he has to go forward in the story the way it was told and learn that he loves will the way he thought he loved el, and that will has always loved him. Something about how he has to let go of the guilt he undoubtedly holds over how will got taken from his house after his campaign. He learns about love and life and how life happens to you but what matters is what you do with it after

#stranger things #byler #mike wheeler #will byers #adrian this ones for you #the love was there!! the love was there and it changed everything!!#mikes guilt over will getting taken ohh yeah baby #the narrative of it all….

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stincorrect · 2 years

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Mike: You have not experienced true fear until a poster falls down in the middle of the night. Will: One time I thought a poster had fallen down in the middle of the night, but when I turned on the light, it was actually a possum that fell through my ceiling and into my room. So, actually, that is true fear. Mike: … Mike: I stand corrected.

#mike wheeler #will byers #mike and will #will and mike #byler #byeler #okay but like #even with everything #all of the terrifying things they've been through #you know #they totally still have conversations like this #just to pretend they're normal lol #and i love them for that #adorable #stranger things #stranger things incorrect quotes

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tenderforgs · 2 years

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thingken about why byler is so go(o)d to me

and i realized i only really like childhood friends to lovers if they aren’t stagnant. i don’t find it an interesting dynamic otherwise, and mike and will are always in motion in relation to each other. they push each other away (by virtue of external forces AND because they actively push each other away) and they come back together; they grow, together and apart. they’re just good... they’re good

#and also i'm just obsessed with the idea of grieving a person who is still alive #u used to know everything about them #your mom asks you about them #the weirdest small things remind you of them #you kind of resent them but a part of you will ALWAYS love them #byler #will byers #mike wheeler

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chirpsythismorning · 6 months

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🎨📝☎️🛼🌈🚪⏪️💡🫀

Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've?) by Buzzcocks

previous ⏮️ now playing ⏭️ next back to playlist

#stranger things #bizarre love triangle playlist #byler #will byers #mike wheeler #el hopper #triadic pov?#the triple repetition of 'ever fallen in love with someone-' fits so perfectly with these three and their insecurities #so i made sure to give each of them that final line with 'someone you shouldn't've fallen in love with' bc it applies to all of them #reminder: yellow = will / blue = mike / red = el #'you spurn my natural emotions. you make me feel like dirt and i'm hurt' - will #this would coincide with their fights in s3-4 with will confronting mike about the way he makes him feel bc of his actions #both fights end with mike sort of denying will's concerns only to end with them parting ways leaving mike feeling lost in his thoughts #'and if i start a commotion. i run the risk of losing you and that's worse' - mike #THAT! THAT RIGHT THERE EXPLAINS LITERALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT MIKE'S DILEMMA TO A T #mike doesn't think being honest in this situation is an option bc it could risk him losing will altogether #'i can't see much of a future. unless we find out what's to blame what a shame' - will #obviously will (like mike) has always pictured their future overlapping but lately that hope has started to dwindle. what a shame indeed.#'and we won't be together much longer. unless we realize that we are the same' - el #this is my way of sneaking in some willel twin crumbs. sue me #mike is having quite a bit of trouble juggling his relationship with will and el #unless he realizes they are the same (twins) he's never going to be able to leave his constant state of denial #'you disturb my natural emotions. you make me feel like dirt and i'm hurt.' - el #the difference between el and will's lyric is the word 'spurn' and disturb'... I just think disturb matches el a bit more than will #'and if i start a commotion. i'll only end up losing you and that's worse' - mike #slight lyrical change here for mike here is 'risk' vs 'end up'#mike thinks by telling el the truth losing her is pretty much guaranteed #anyways s/out to shrek 2 for reminding me of this gem that fits the bizarre love triangle trio perfectly #4x08 #gif

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evie-writes-sometimes · 5 months

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You've heard of 'people can't handle liking flawed characters and so they woobify them'. Now get ready for 'people try so hard not to be in the first category that they vilify them/make characters worse than they actually are in the name of nuance'.

#this is about many characters but rn it's mainly about five hargreeves #babygirl I've stanned more problematic characters than you can comprehend #and five has a shitton of flaws and has done loads of bad stuff #he's an asshole #but he's also not nearly as much of an asshole as a lot of you make him out to be???#he can be insensitive but no more than any other character #and usually in dire situations (like he was an asshole to viktor about leaving sissy but they were on a time limit??? and he was-#-actually pretty understanding after their argument??)#he comforts allison in s1? he's understanding to luther? he berates lila about diego? he immediately goes with klaus on the road trip?#he doesn't tell viktor that he caused the apocalypse #a bunch of other stuff I can't remember rn #other characters this is about include utena tenjou #love love love anthy but some people try to put the blame on utena for forcing her perceptions on anthy #and put it on the same level as anthy manipulating lying betraying stabbing etc utena #will byers is a much lesser degree but yeah people try to make him. more flawed in everything that happened (the rain fight and rinkomania #fight mostly)#that boy didn't do anything wrong in either and that's okay #kaeya in that genshin rain fight also counts #unless he was actually goading/intending to make diluc angry and upset what did that boy do wrong??? bad timing to confide your secrets #but so what if he did???#since a bunch of stuff is still pretty ambiguous i won't talk to much about #mostly talking about the fanon perception of the fight #but yeah #sometimes characters are just assholes and sometimes they're not assholes and it's okay either way

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ice-sculptures · 1 year

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like ripping off a band-aid

#myedit #stranger things #stedit #strangerthingsedit #will byers #mike wheeler #byler #byleredit #bylerdaily #tbh this moment Hurts more than the actual van monologue #here you can see it in will's body language that he's letting go of his own intentions with the painting so that he can be there for mike #to let him know that he's so loved and valued and show him how important he is (even if he hides it under el's name)#bc that's what he thinks mike needs right now #will is so sweet and selfless and loving. character of all time #(wow ok i made these gifs and then immediately found an analysis post in the byler tag that said everything i wanted to say here)#gonna link it in the caption bc it's so good #and noah schnapp the actor that you are. he says So much without even speaking a single word here

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theoriginalsapphic · 1 year

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Let me steal this moment from you now: Max, Will, Vecna and memories

This is a theory loosely based on BirthdayGate and me rewatching The Hunger Games due to its ongoing reinassance on tiktok and not being able to sleep at three in the morning.

BirthdayGate is the theory that Vecna has been manipulating Will’s memories to basically isolate him from others and making him an easier target (this is an oversimplification of the theory and I may have gotten some things wrong, so keep that in mind).

In the third and final book of the trilogy, Mockingjay, Peeta is held captive by President Snow and used against Katniss. During his captivity, he was tortured, beaten, and hijacked using tracker jacker venom to distort his memories of Katniss until he believed she was a mutt trying to kill him. Essentially, they turned him into a weapon.

Both BirthdayGate and Peeta’s plot in Mockingjay have one thing in common: mind control through brainwashing and psychological torture, which, also happens to be one of the main objectives of MKUltra, a non-fictional illegal human-experimentation program that was developed and overtaken by the CIA between 1953 and 1973, and that in the show is represented through Dr. Brenner and the Hawkins laboratory.

Stay with me; I swear I’m going somewhere.

Vecna messing with someone’s memories wouldn’t be a new thing. In fact, this concept has already been introduced in the fourth season, heavily foreshadowed by this particular song.

Right before the battle against Vecna, Max has the theory that, because she managed to escape through remembering the people that she loves, the best place to hide from Vecna would be to hide in her happiest memory.

Solid theory, all things considered. That is something that the characters got right; Vecna feeds of the darkness inside people (their fears, their traumas, and their guilt), so it would be logical to hide somewhere that represents the complete opposite of his source of power: their light, their strength, etc.

However, the characters underestimated how powerful Vecna truly is, and how capable he is of entering and messing with people’s minds. Max believed that hiding in a happy memory would save her because it did the first time, but he still managed to find her the second time around.

So, how does what happened to Max in season 4 relates to Will and Vecna?

Well, for starters, I just demonstrated why Vecna ruining someone’s happiest memories wouldn’t be a new concept at all.

Something that has been mentioned a couple of times it’s how little Will mentions what happened to him during that week he spent in the Upside Down. As a matter of fact, we know very little of what happened to him during that week, and if anything, what little have we learned about has just provoked more questions (way too many to write them in this post).

However, something that I don’t see mentioned as frequently it’s that we don’t really know much about what Will went through with Lonnie, except through third-party recounts, like Joyce telling Hopper Lonnie used to call Will slurs, or Jonathan remembering the first time he showed him The Clash after Lonnie failed to pick him up for a baseball game.

This is even more peculiar when considering that all the other characters that have experienced abuse in the show have been seen interacting with their abuser and, more or less, react to their actions (Joyce and Lonnie, Jonathan and Lonnie, Billy and Neil, Max and Billy, El and Brenner).

But the point is, we have never seen Will interact with Lonnie or even mention Lonnie. The only time Will mentions his dad is in a flashback that is remembered by Jonathan (who, unlike Will, has named Lonnie several times).

Just like with his trauma with the Upside Down, we don’t know much about his trauma with his dad.

In a regular world, with non-supernatural interference, this could be a completely expected response to trauma:

"Dissociative amnesia occurs when a person blocks out certain events, often associated with stress or trauma, leaving the person unable to remember important personal information." "According to the American Psychiatric Association (APA), dissociative amnesia often occurs due to traumatic or stressful events, such as childhood trauma, abuse, and neglect. Dissociative amnesia can also stem from issues relating to personal identity and past experiences." "This forgetting may be limited to certain specific areas (thematic) or may include much of your life history and/or identity (general)."

So, what if Vecna’s intention is to manipulate Will’s happy memories so those memories can’t save them the way they saved him back in season 2? Just like Vecna did the second time he faced Max.

In fact, what happens if these memories have been manipulated so they are no longer happy and instead bring him pain and anguish? What if the only memories that remain untouched inside his mind are the ones he wishes he could forget, the ones that were once repressed, so his own mind can be used against him? Just like Peeta Mellark in Mockingjay.

"Occasionally, a person may be able to suddenly recall these traumatic or abusive events, also known as recovered memories. Alternatively, a person may have false memories of a situation, or inaccurate memories that can be influenced by others or created to fill in gaps. Unfortunately, because a person may genuinely believe that these memories are accurate, it can be challenging to differentiate them from reality."

If what saved Max the first time she faced Vecna were happy memories…

Coincidentally, Will is the only party member that doesn't appear in Max's memories while the lyrics 'Let me steal this moment from you now' are being sung.

...triggered by a song she loves...

…then what happens when that person has no happy memories left to grasp on? What happens when those memories that formed the individual are gone, and the person loses what made their identity? If you lose everything that makes you, you, then who are you anymore? What happens when there is no light to escape to anymore?

This started as a theory about Will but now I’m concerned what will happen with Max when she wakes up.

#will byers #max mayfield #vecna #birthdaygate #byler #lumax #elmax #stranger things #stranger things theory #it's bad enough that he targeted a depressed and suicidal teenagar did he had to ruin her favorite memory?#vecna doesn't like to see gay people thriving 🙄#i'm so concerned with both will and max next season #is it too obvious i came up with this at 3am?#whoever selects the music for this show deserves everything i love them so much #if you think about it will is the only member of the party that doesn't appear in max's memories #tldr; vecna is a bitch and max and will are fucked

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nyxi-pixie · 2 years

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no bc people are actually fucking disgusting abt will

if i see one more mfer call him a ‘predator’ for having a crush on his best friend i will lose my absolute shit. HE IS A CHILD. his crush is super innocent and some people in this goddamn fandom act like hes going to use his evil gay powers of seduction to ruin milkvan.

like its giving unhinged its giving in need of therapy its giving pls what the actual fuck is wrong with some of you.

#the way will actively encourages mike to fix things with el bc he cares abt both of them #in what way is he pushing himself on mike #and this isnt just about that one person (who follows me omg im so famous hi bestie)#bc ive seen Multiple people say this shit (mostly tiktok comments bc theyre batshit crazy)#but its just really fucking disgusting #like will has done nothing its not his fault that mike is so damn fruity that he cant tell his gf he loves her #like goddamn wills playing relationship therapist for this man #anyway will has done nothing wrong ever in his life #and people only call him a predator bc they view queer people crushing on 'straight' people as predatory #even though you cant control who you like and if a straight person had an unrequited crush on someone else that wouldnt be predatory at all #bc surprise having a crush on someone who doesnt like you back doesnt mean youre pushing urself onto the #m #ANYWAY #its all irrelevent because #mike wheeler is gay #and in love with will #byler #will byers #putting everything in my tags again bc i can

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uselessnbee · 2 years

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sobbing cause Will has been treated like shit his whole life, has been through so much and yet he still wakes up every day and chooses to be kind

#having been treated like shit #and still choosing to treat others with kindness #is the most badass thing anyone could do #this boy is just so good even after everything #he deserves all the love and happiness in the world #and if he won't get it's over for you bitches #byler #will byers

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share-the-damn-bed · 2 years

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High Jonathan Appreciation Post

#stranger things 4 spoilers #jonathan byers #he is precious #he is everything #i love him so. much.#also 'can you pass me the olive oil' 'that's wine' exchange had no right to be as funny as it is #he's going through a lot okay? let him be messy

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