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Writer interview
@vixstarria tagged me and I finally get to do it! Thank you <3
I am tagging @sky-kiss @scuttlingcrab and @thedomesticanthropologist
1. How many works do you have on AO3?
13 and some are multi-chapter. All are BG3 except for a german Inkheart one
2. What’s your total AO3 word count?
85.408 -that is a surprising amount of words for being active less than a year
3. What are your top 5 fics by kudos?
His consort, his god - I finally wrote smut for a popular ship XD (bloodweave)
At her mercy - kinky sapphic Karlach x Durge smut
Natures most beloved treasure - Halsin x trans masc Tav smut
Direct from Hell Logistics - ongoing Raphael x Haarlep comedy/angst/smut/plot - this one has it all
A song of snow and embers and Copper Hearts share this place. one is a F/F/F/F foursome and the other my Astarion x male Tav longfic
4. Do you respond to comments? Why or why not?
I appreciate every single comment and try to show that. There's nothing better than the e-mail that says "comment on your work" and it can make my whole day. Sometimes I don't know what to respond if it's just a word or a keybord smash, but rest assured I see you and I love every one of those, too.
5. What’s the fic you’ve written with the angstiest ending?
Angsty ending hmmmm. Because some of my stuff is not completed yet I am not gonna spoil anything but Dust and ash about Astarion's backstory was naturally quite angsty
6. What’s the fic you’ve written with the happiest ending?
Not. gonna. spoil XD
7. Do you write crossovers?
Not yet. Maybe I could count Copper hearts because I took Francys from my original work and planted him into Bg3
8. Have you ever received hate on a fic?
No, not yet.
9. Do you write smut? If so, what kind?
I do. I am exploring all kinds atm with preferably queer pairings wlw or mlm or nb. I can also write mlw from the men's perspective but not the other way round :D
10. Have you ever had a fic stolen?
Not as far as I know.
11. Have you ever had a fic translated?
Boy I wish.
12. Have you ever co-written a fic before?
No and I am not sure if I could commit to a project like that.
13. What’s your all-time favorite ship?
Hmmmmm ... Raphlep probably
14. What’s a WIP that you want to finish but don’t think you ever will?
My german Inkheart fic with a genderbent lesbian Basta. Damn I was invested in creating this character, but gave up after a while because it was a lot of work and it being german and a niche topic in a small fandom was not very rewarding tbh. I know I should not care and maybe I'll come back to it when the Inkheart obsession comes over me again.
15. What are your writing strengths?
I am good at setting the scene. Atmosphere and small mundane details that make the setting feel alive. I have always liked that in reading as in writing, because it makes you feel like you are actually there when you can hear and smell and taste the scene.
Also I am okay at developing coherent plot, but that's mainly practice from writing a lot of og work before I started with fics.
16. What are your writing weaknesses?
I still struggle with english grammar and punctuation at times so I always have a beta reader. And I am lucky to have great ones.
17. What are your thoughts on writing dialogue in other languages in a fic?
I am not a fan. It confuses me. Singular phrases and such yes, but not entire dialogue. Especially if it's german in an english fic I get super confused.
18. What was the first fandom you wrote for?
*digs through her files* So, my first works were basically fic for my best friend's story. (I was in my early teens.) But since she was the author the lines between canon and fic are blurry and the "fandom" consisted of three people of which one was the author XD
So if we don't count that the first one would be Hunger Games - It was one chapter and I never published it
19. What’s a fandom/ship you haven’t written for yet but want to?
We'll see what posesses me next I guess, though I think Bg3 will stay with me for a considerable amount of time. And ship wise ... I feel Durgetash creeping up on me.
20. What’s your favorite fic you’ve written?
Definitely Direct from Hell Logistics. I am having so much fun with it. It constantly makes me laugh and sheme and I also feel all the angst. Also it is ongoing and I get to explore the story alongside the readers (though I have a rough plot structure to keep me on track).
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Fic Writer 20 Questions
Thanks for the tag @merlyn-bane !!
1.) How many works do you have on ao3?
60! wow
2.) What's your ao3 word count?
417,555!!
3.) What fandoms do you write for?
Lately it's been Star Wars (Codywan), but I started out writing for Captive Prince, and have one very cracky fic for the chickens from Venom lmao
4.) What are your top five fics by kudos?
All five are Codywan! (with my first captive prince fic sliding barely into 6th place) they are:
Slow Waters; Inexpressibly to Untangle; Wolfssegen; Two Winters; and Leaning Closer to Never
5.) Do you respond to comments? Why or why not?
I do! if not immediately, then eventually. I always like receiving responses when I comment on other people's fic, even if it's just a short 'thanks for reading!' so I try to give the same in return.
6.) What's the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?
Smiling evilly over here because it's definitely What Year Was Our House Built? although a there's a close second and third in Kiss Goodbye and Gone and Returned. Oh wait also Akin, Removed. It's still true that the majority of my writing tends to be hopeful, though.
7.) What's the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?
Slow Waters is a classic action movie happy ending, as a pacific rim au, and The World Offers Itself is a classic fantasy story happy ending, but I quite treasure the happy ending I gave codywan in Friday: Historical for @order63 because I will always cheer for edwardian wlw who say "sod the basilica".
8.) Do you get hate on fics?
Nope! I figure the premises I write are sufficiently niche that you have to actually want to read it to click on it in the first place. Everyone is very lovely in my comment section :)
9.) Do you write smut? If so what kind?
I do! The gay kind! and the loving kind, the angsty kind, the kind with layers, the kind that's just hot, etc etc
10.) Do you write crossovers? What's the craziest one you've written?
I don't terribly prefer crossovers; I'll just set it in an AU of a different IP rather than mixing characters.
11.) Have you ever had a fic stolen?
Not as far as I know!
12.) Have you ever had a fic translated?
I haven't! But I've thought about practicing my language skills in translating them myself before (not that a lot of people really need a Norwegian translation of something lmao)
13.) Have you ever cowritten a fic before?
Nothing published! but I've gone through many a planning stage and/or shared gdoc with friends before.
14.) What's your all time favorite ship?
I really can't choose! As long as it's well written I enjoy my ships pretty equally!
15.) What's a WIP you'd like to finish, but doubt you ever will?
Looking out the corner of my eye at The Skies Above Us which was. Well let's just say I learned my lesson to always write a fic to completion before starting to post it. RIP you really obscure codywan Wings of Desire AU, we barely knew you.
16.) What are your writing strengths?
I love describing general atmosphere and nature scenes, and I'm pretty good at doing an obscene amount of research and then letting most of it go in favour of writing what matters. I think I'm pretty good at picturing something in my own head and being able to transcribe it into prose.
17.) What are your writing weaknesses?
Aside from the aforementioned necessity of writing something fully before posting, and also planning/outlining a story beginning-to-end before writing it, I'm not so strong in writing dialogue. But practice makes perfect!
18.) Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language for a fic?
I quite like it, but only for snippets of text that don't really matter in the overall scheme of things. I've provided some of my own small French and Norwegian translations in the captive prince fics Portrait of Monsieur X (some silly poetry) and Hver blomst en stjerne (some fictional gods) and some other capri fics (what if there was an in-universe Basque) because I really enjoyed giving the nations in Captive Prince those real-life parallels (e.g. Ios = Greece, Vere = France) and playing around with the languages; it's kind of an integral part of the source material. I stay away from fictional languages though, because it's not something someone can easily just googletranslate, and I'd prefer to read " 'Something in English,' Character said in XYZ language." rather than waiting for a translation and wondering why extraneous information and words had to waste my time.
19.) First fandom you wrote for?
Captive Prince! Pretty recent, all things considered. Everything I wrote before that was original stuff.
20.) Favorite fic you've ever written?
I'd have to go with Wolfssegen for codywan and Ideal Bounds for captive prince. I'm really proud of the stories I was able to tell with those two, and how neatly they both came together in terms of themes and actions :))
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i dont fukcing post my female streamer art anymore because it gets 0 notes and usually one anon asking me why the fuck i drew them so like fuck me i guess that shit gets DEMORALIZING
sorry for forgetting to answer this yesterday but since i brought the topic back up. that’s not even a problem unique to here like my fem dnf stuff flops but that’s expected it’s way more of a niche than anything else i write but in almost every fandom i’ve bene in in the past i wrote primarily for wlw ships but the occasional mlm fic id post for the same fandoms would always do way better which like whatever it’s expected but it’s fucking annoying especially there’s this whole group of people making and reblogging all of these performative posts applauding it but then don’t engage when people do make it. i’m sorry you demoralized anon :( and genuinely i hope you feel comfortable to post your art again there really isn’t enough :(
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Tagged by @rainofaugustsith for the AO3/fic writer questions thing <3. Unsure who to tag to play next, so if you see this and want to play along, consider yourself tagged.
How many works do you have on AO3?
11, but one hardly counts because it’s a “collaboration” with @miss-spooky-eyes that I maybe wrote one sentence of but she still gave me coauthor credit because she’s too pure and too good.
What’s your total AO3 word count?
47,599, apparently
How many fandoms have you written for and what are they?
On ao3, just two: swtor and kotor (at this point, most of my writing exists either here or just as WIPs that will never actually be finished)
What are your top 5 fics by kudos?
My works don’t really get a lot of kudos or comments, and I try not to get too hung up on that. I’d rather not list them by kudos, tbh, because my kudos-to-hit ratio makes me sad if I think about it for too long. (I write sort niche-interest pairings, I think, so I don’t really get a lot of engagement; I enjoy writing them, and I usually get the reaction I’m going for from the approximately three people who do engage with my writing, so it’s all good).
Do you respond to comments; why or why not?
I try to! I don’t always know what to say, but if someone took the time to leave a comment, I feel like it’s fair for me to respond and thank them.
What’s the fic you’ve written with the angstiest ending?
One that was actually only posted on tumblr, “it’s the way that you are and the way I’ll forever be,” (spoilers) the one about Tulia killing Zhorrid, probably. Or “a father’s love,” about how Zhorrid got her scars. I guess most of my Zhorrid stuff.
Do you write crossovers? If so, what's the craziest one you’ve written?
I don’t write crossovers.
Have you ever received hate on a fic?
Not exactly. I’ve gotten… really odd commentary about why my characters do the things they do. And, bro, if you’re upset about my characters’ motivations, you have this cool ability called “creating your own OC and then making them do whatever you want,” so, I don’t know what the problem was.
Do you write smut? If so, what kind?
I do. In fact, probably most of what I’ve actually posted is smut. Relatively tame stuff, I suppose, lots of wlw, quite a bit of exploration of power dynamics, “forbidden” desires, that kind of thing.
Have you ever had a fic stolen?
I don’t think so? I can’t imagine anyone would want to claim ownership of something I wrote though.
Have you ever had a fic translated?
Not to my knowledge.
What’s your all time favorite ship?
I don’t know that I have an “all-time” favorite. I’ve never gotten all that invested in many canon ships, and it feels weird to list any of my OCs and their LIs here. The one I’m currently fixated on is Eleison (non-canon compliant SI)/Dread Master Brontes.
What's a WIP that you want to finish but don’t think you ever will?
God, what a callout. My biggest current WIP is “I can be your heartache, you can be my shame,” about Eleison attempting to break the bond between the Dread Masters by shielding them from the Phobis devices, but there are a lot of details that I still have to work out for it, so it’s mainly just a collection of disjointed ideas.
What are your writing strengths?
I guess maybe coming up with angsty ideas…
What are your writing weaknesses?
Never actually following through with my ideas and not being able to describe scenes the way they play out in my head.
What are your thoughts on writing dialogue in other languages in a fic?
I think it can be neat. Sometimes it’s distracting and done in such a way that it’s just uncomfortable and it’s clear the author doesn’t actually speak the language they’re peppering in, but it can be done very smoothly. I don’t know that I’ve ever done it well.
What was the first fandom you wrote for?
The X-Files. I did have some rather popular fics once upon a time, but I don’t think any of them were particularly good. Mercifully, I’m pretty sure they’ve been lost, even from the wayback machine.
What’s your favorite fic that you’ve written?
I am pretty proud of “brilliant and terrible thing” (mara!Shara angst-fest), and I would eventually like to write more in that universe that I was building.
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If you’re in any fandom for more than a few years, especially one for an ongoing franchise, you need to get used to the fandom changing. Trends shift. People revisit things and see stuff they didn’t before. New pairings crop up. Old pairings fade out, and sometimes they don’t but there will always be new things and if you want your fandom to survive (because everyone will DEFINITELY BITCH if their fandom gets inactive) that’s just an inevitable thing.
People start to look for other things. People stop writing or thinking about the character that left 4 seasons ago, or was killed off, or maybe they don’t like the NEW characters and they go back to revisit those they have overlooked in the first place. People start rarepairing. People start crack pairing. People start embracing that WLW or Polyship that was never a popular idea. People start popping in more OC’s. Everyone’s a werewolf now! Everyone’s a wizard! Pretty sure that fic’s just beastiality - OOF... not my thing but HEY keep it spicey and create the fic you wanna see in the world I guess. If you love that old pairing, KEEP ON TRUCKING AND GOD BLESS. Make that sexy content. Keep the old flame aliiive!
This is fucking good. This is great. This is creativity.
And some people have been doing all that from the beginning. Some people have spent their whole fandom career liking the things that no one else likes. Building up their own niche corners of the fandom with a small pool of readers because they don’t care for the canon ships or the ‘popular’ ships. And you know what? Rarepair people generally (in my experience) aren’t rude about it because they know exactly where they stand. They know they aren’t the status quo, so why complain? Savor every little kudo you can get because its nice that someone noticed.
But you people who can’t change, who like the popular ship that’s falling out of fashion, the canon ship that the show never sold well enough, when the BIG SHIP is still popular but your friends happen to start liking other things and you refuse to curate your own experience to keep on drifting along peacefully? There are literally tools available to all of us to minimize seeing content we don’t want to look at. If you can’t exist in the fandom space without LOUDLY and PUBLICLY complaining about anything new? About characters you don’t own being used in ways you don’t like?
You’re kinda just a fandom Karen.
So... like.. idk. Ok, Boomer. I’m a grown ass woman old enough to be some of y’all mom... and I said it. Shut up, Karen. Fandom will never stay the same for you. People will always make fics you don’t like. Pairings will change and sometimes even your franchise will let you down, and if you can’t roll with it you’ll just be a bitter old shit in a corner screaming with a shoddily scrapped together meme because you don’t wanna HAVE to make an effort to exclude pairings you don’t like on your AO3 fic sorting. You don’t WANNA block tags you don’t like on tumblr because that would take 5 whole seconds out of your complaining time. YOU find it PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE not to bash other fans in public spaces..
Rude. Put on a mask, Karen, that’s what they are there for.
Some fans have been doing all this the whole time. You’re spoiled. You’ve been spoiled. And now it’s time to check yourself, get over yourself, or move the fuck on.
#dont ask me 'what the drama is'#im pretty sure its clear#just be fucking nice and considerate to eachother#tolerate things you dont like#and complain about them in private#like normal people do#cause doing it in public makes you look like a massive asshole#and makes people not want to share ANY of their content with you#ange talks#long post#if i lose followers so be it#i really hate fandom antagonism#its so stupid#i only started seeing this massive blatant negativity recently#maybe its These Trying Times#but check your fucking selves
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it’s almost the choice day in royal and i’ve seen comments about the wandavision show, and it really does show the difference between what people accept in m/f stories and what we’re told to accept in anything for wlw and mlm in fiction
there’s a balance between an ending that’s too happy it doesn’t feel earned or it feels hollow, and one that’s misery for misery’s sake. p5 vanilla felt hollow and more “trust the system” and didn’t go into any of the trauma joker would have faced. royal actually goes into it a bit more, with maruki as a parallel to him, but then it also just drops at the end. the one time they go into the protagonist and make him his own, not up to interpretation, he has a desire of his own that he has to give up, it almost feels like punishment.
i’ve seen people joke about how “shuake is so real even the homophobic fans have to notice” and hey, fair enough, even i noticed something. it’s not canon but i could see the baiting, i just wish it was a ship that wouldn’t be like that and not falling into homophobic tropes, something the canon could have fixed if they wanted to. but it became “real” in the way most subtext ships become real. only when a characters dies -or not, but you think he does-. when characters are separated. there are so many ships in both jrpgs and anime where it only becomes one-sided or confirmed only when the characters can’t be together, so people never have to see a canon gay pairing. people can argue “but there’s het romances that end tragically too” -okay. except the majority of canon pairings are m/f and they will still have more happy endings than not. they’re not required to have unhappy endings. outside of niche stories like in BL, if you see any hint of gayness in something more “mainstream” it’s never canon, it’s one-sided, it’s only the villain. it will never be canon or happy. what was the last one, yuri on ice? and that was four years ago, and people spent half the show’s runtime wondering if one of the characters was going to die or if he was evil. that’s how used to these tropes we are, and how shocked people were that it didn’t happen. the explicit romance and the lack of a tragic ending was the surprise, because we just expect some catch.
p5r is kind of like the rebellion movie for madoka. like a lot of lesbians, i loved madoka as a teen, and still have some nostalgia despite all the problems. but i don’t get angry when people criticize it’s message, or say that they hate what happened and they feel it’s like misery porn. liking some angst and darker imagery doesn’t mean i don’t get the criticism. i get why people hated what happened, and i get why people felt the story was unfairly punishing people who suffered just for the crime of daring to want more.
it’s a common theme for any lgbt themes in fiction. wanting a happy ending is wrong. it’s arrogant and selfish. you see characters punished for this. p5r does the same thing to joker. and then the fandom does the same thing, either making joker a yandere, joker gets corrupted to murder with akechi, joker is miserable for years without akechi, joker has to fight with his friends because of akechi. nothing positive about what akechi does for him. if there’s people writing about their rivalry and them as equals, i’ve still never seen anyone do anything positive with it. and that’s why i don’t like how royal made this the lynchpin of joker’s trauma. how are feelings for another boy, feelings that people say parallel maruki and his ex lover, how are those feelings causing punishment, how is that not homophobic, if not unintentional? the popularity of this ship is because we know this narrative, but we never see anything else. we don’t get any hopeful stories at all, and no one is supposed to say anything about this theme in the game?
it’s really too bad the only times i see people talking about happier endings is when an m/f ship doesn’t get one. both the latest wonder woman movie and wandavision has prompted m/f fans to talk about how the female leads are punished for wanting happiness and romance. they have a point, it’s just rare the same people will also demand the same for wlw and mlm stories. people realize this trope sucks, but it’s the only one we ever get for wlw and mlm ships in popular media. it’s never told why we should accept suffering as the default and always tying it to feelings of another character of the same gender does have a different baggage when it’s the only story we ever get. when gay people are still treated as selfish for wanting to be happy and to be themselves, to be in relationships. i’m tired of people accepting this as the best we can do, or not understanding why others would be sick of it. even the m/f only shippers get sick of this, but if you’re lgbt and want happy stories? you’re derided as a dumb puritan child who just don’t get complex stories.
but the point still is, no matter how different you think it is, any story that hints that gay coding, subtext, or just textual feelings, leads to suffering or corruption, is always going to have baggage because that’s the world we live in. we don’t have enough gay stories in a variety of media with happy endings. abusive relationships, tragic relationships, they’re still the norm. they’re still all we could get. don’t blame people for wanting better. don’t blame people for wanting gayness to be salvation for once, instead of a character’s downfall. because we barely have any. even that damn “komaeda” checklist proves we don’t. if you like that sort of thing, most media already has what you want. some of us can want complex characters and happy endings for them.
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Thoughts.
So I finally watched Good Omens. First of all I know some people were waiting for me to like, do breakdowns on the use of lore, sigils and whatnot -- I’m sure I’ll poke at it eventually, but so much of it reads of typicality, alongside strong artistic liberty, that when it comes to actual sigils there’s very few and I’ll need a good screen of them.
But that isn’t about that. This is actually about Good Omens and the audience response to queer content and queer coded content. I’m going to warn you, some of this shit is going to incense the fuck out of woke tumblr. It’s going to be a lot of hard pills to swallow, mostly in regards to parts of the LGBT community -- of which I’m a part -- moving around our own goal posts, inconsistencies in the placements of our goalposts, and the impacts of het culture. If you come into my mentions screaming away at me expect an ignore or a block.
No, this isn’t anti-Azri/Crow. It’s very pro Azri/Crow. And yes, I’m going to drag other fandoms I’m in, into it. But I’m also gonna drag general discussion into it.
First I’m going to source a link to a recent set of tweets someone made that I consider very insightful (x) and then highlight a bulk of it.
“When we call something queerbaiting, we're essentially saying: "source material X doesn't count as real or valid queer representation." Here is a thread on why we need to be cognizant about which real-life queer people & stories we're erasing when we expand our use of that term.
First: actual queerbaiting, in which art-creators hint at queer representation in order to attract viewers and then insist their art was 100% hetero all along, sucks a lot. I am not advocating getting rid of the term.
Nor am I saying it's not valid to feel jerked around when a show uses the promise of a specific queer relationship on their publicity circuit, and then doesn't follow through on it in the actual source. (Or follows through only to write out a character, a la #TheMagicians)
However: when we narrow our definition of "real and valid queer representation" until the ONLY thing that counts as queer rep is on-screen queer *romance* or on-screen queer *sex*, we are telling a significant portion of the real-life queer community that they don't count.
When we use the "queerbaiting" label to describe a millennia-long, loving asexual same-gender relationship (aka #GoodOmens) we are telling asexuals in loving life-long relationships that they don't count as queer.
We are also telling sexual queers whose primary, life-organizing relationships are queerplatonic (me, this is me) that their queerness is defined only by who they fuck, not by who they choose to build a life with.
I want a space where ALL kinds of queer stories get told: romances yes, but also stories of queer friendship; queer mentorship; queer animosity; queer competition and cooperation; queer found family; queer provocation and queer mistakes.
None of that happens if we tell everyone whose queer content doesn't fit into the narrow box "Lead A & Lead B kiss and/or fuck onscreen" (even if A&B make a life together; even if A&B kiss & fuck other same-sex people) that their art is exploitative & doesn't count as queer rep. “
Why am I choosing to highlight this while implicatively mentioning my adjacent fandoms? Well, because blogs I follow that either haphazardly dismiss, say, Destiel as valid until (personally met goalpost, generally when arguing with the hetnorm or anti community wanting a kiss) are all on the Azriphale-Crowley bandwagon.
And let me say, I adore the Azriphale-Crowley bandwagon. I’m ON that bandwagon. Holy shit am I on that wagon, but we need to inspect our dialogue for people who are on one but not the other.
We can say, for example, “Well, Neil Gaiman and the actors have been supportive! So THAT’S why it’s fine!” I mean -- aren’t people always banging on about post-affirmation not being enough, or just vague support being enough, or this-or-that not being enough? Like people don’t flame Rowling over that? I mean, even if we handwave away that Neil Gaiman had literally uncontested authorship instead of 203492 hands in the author and ownership pot top-to-bottom which the average show doesn’t have -- which gives the liberty to say whatever the fuck he wants because it is wholly his product and under his contract and design -- do you notice that it’s actually a very, very small audience crowing about that? And rarely if ever the same ones that do about other pairings that could be considered similar? Like we haven’t gotten those moments from authors in other shows (Robbie Thompson “Destiel isn’t canon?” comes to mind) that we yell queerbait at then and decide isn’t enough. Because someone else moved a goalpost out.
Ah-- but they’re... confirmed asexual and agender and immortal! Okay... and... so is, for example, if we’re going to tilt this way, Castiel. And ace people can have queer relationships with bi or yes, even straight people. Mindblowing, I know, but that’s it, that’s reality.
So why on gods green earth am I seeing this disparity between blogs about the same content, banging on at different volumes of what we expect?
It’s something I’ve written about before, the loudest example being my Problem With DreamHunter post. Before any DreamHunter fans pick up the pitchforks, don’t worry. It, also, is in support of DreamHunter, but simply addresses the cultural problem in there not being a problem with DreamHunter. The blend of intersectional issue disparity between MLM and WLW, and also the simple fact that the fandom wasn’t positioned to have antis or rival ships screaming at it: het culture and shipping culture.
I’ve banged on about this before: in our race for representation, we often trample over content that’s perfectly good and valid and great in many ways, because we want to be able to win an argument against an asshole, we want to be able to bludgeon the gay so inarguably into somebody’s brain that they yield to the might of it, or at least, we imagine it reaches that point. Anti-shipping culture can be so loud that even slow burn het pairings that kiss will have antis explaining their way around it (eg, Mulder and Scully, off the top of my head). Anti queer culture will talk down men or women even making out on screen as experimentation. This cycle will continue.
So again, let me state: Good Omens is a masterpiece. I am utterly enthralled by it, but it does leave me sitting flummoxed about the uneven bars we put out there as marker posts based on trying to race to the finish of arguments.
I’m sure some hack job that doesn’t know how to rub brain cells together beyond “it’s straight” and, beneath the surface, “I don’t like it so I’m going to piss and moan about more expansive methods of thought than hard niching the complexity of human relations” is going to roll in here, thinking yelling “Jensen Ackles thinks it’s straight!” in supreme reductionism of things like authorship, be it intent OR death of the author, or whatever else is out there in this medium -- I’m sure they’ll show up, make the same repetitive ass of themselves as always, and roll on, completely missing the point that I’m not obligated to your arbitrary bullshit, and that nobody is.
I don’t HAVE to point out every single time a dickhat on a loop yells that, that Jensen Ackles himself spoke of the intangibility of the deepness of their connection with Castiel as an angel, and that a cishet dude from texas probably doesn’t understand the finest details of LGBT identity complexity despite being an ally while fumbling over talking about the difficulty of putting a label on it. I don’t have to explain that the actor doesn’t actually get to determine that. Viewership or author, take your pick. I don’t have to explain the “it’s never happening and wasn’t intended” never came from the authors every time some bumblefuck says it -- that it came from one account with a blurb that said he doesn’t speak for that writing room whatsoever. I don’t have to review the times that Jensen Ackles has almost verbatim mirrored the Good Omens creatives about the beauty of it being you being able to make your own interpretation even if it wasn’t his, and encouraging that. I don’t fucking have to, you entitled sniveling shits.
And no, it’s by no means about, say, Dean and Cas. It’s just about the dialogues I’m tired of seeing tilt unevenly even between typically well grounded and centered people.
So anyway Azriphale and Crowley are EternityMates and that’s the fucking tea. Call it queerplat or call it queerromantic I can see either, even if I do tilt towards the former.
Destiel is queerromantic and you can fight me.
Come at me. Except nobody really will over Good Omens, just Supernatural, because like magic, Good Omens isn’t geared for a fuckton of other bloated ships or antis who hate either of them by structure alone. And that, itself, is a point to be made, too.
And before some doodlefuck trolls along, no, there’s no such thing as incestromantic. Spare us the time and block me now if your knee jerk counter-troll is going to be subtextually along those lines, because I promise you’ll just get blocked when you try to roll into town with it. Since the Supernatural fandom seems to house corners of douchebags that don’t know how to control their primitive douchebag impulses and they do come into address in this post.
Moral of the story: Stop listening to homophobes, antis, or people with agendas. Listen to the content and what has actually been said. On all sides.
If you consider, for example,
the Ineffible Husbands canon with no admission of anything beyond friendship, with the hets loudly banging one scene over with “well the others are ace or whatever” as your reason (fair), a few lunches, basic dedication and a few well placed songs, and a few supportive notes from the general creatives,
But the Hunter Husbands not canon with talked-around love yous and need yous, intentional deletion of Castiel’s agender ace aspects, in spite of there being no evident banging or kissing in the show that hasn’t been a highlight of a problem since like season what six?; talk arounds of their meals together, infinite longer and classic romantic crafted dedication, innumerable well placed songs and yes, a few supportive notes from the creatives that are buried by yourself or others beneath intentionally obfuscated arguments and spun context,
You are, whether you want to gullet it or not, part of the moving goalpost problem. Whether it’s you running to meet a phobe or an anti, or just being coded into it by the screaming around you, there is no world in which one is representation and the other is not. It’s just fuckin’ not.
It’s not.
I don’t care what you yell and scream because it’s popular in your circles. It’s fuckin’ not.
It’s not.
Either both are rep or neither are rep. Personally, I adore both of them, and anyone that has a problem with that can eat me.
Good Omens is not a goddamn motherfucking breakthrough in representation. It’s the same very valid very real form of queer coding half this site screams at because someone got loud enough to scream about it early on, generally inspired by antis riding their ass, just it’s the first and second lead instead of second and third lead, and there’s no ‘rival’ in first and second leads as being intentionally dragged into vaguery. It’s. Fucking. Not. It’s literally. The same. Fucking. Level.
Now, I HAVE been banging on that it’s the level our content SHOULD be acceptable at (well, almost; frankly I’d consider Destiel better, as the show’s overall intimacy threshold is far lower while Good Omens has parallel overtness to the coupling in the actual canon, meaning Good Omens’ playing field, for fair treatment, would be indebted to matching volume -- not saying sex since ace but louder admissions and engagements that are just as clear.)
Unpopular? Good, I don’t care. I’m tired of people screaming about completely conflicting crap.
It’s where we SHOULD be taking ownership of our content. So if there’s any breakthrough, it’s the LGBT community themselves having some sort of spark of awareness that they can and should be able to own content at that volume, largely because the fandom isn’t swamped by asshats on the other side all yelling for their own crappy agendas clogging up your heads. There’s a few queerbait shouters. And you laugh them off, by and large, and accept it as canon and rep. Funny how that works without antis up your ass.
Sincerely,
A tired queer and newborn Crowley stan.
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What I say: I'm fine What I mean: The Bold Type and an amazing show and I'm terrified it's going to get cancelled. People just aren't watching it. And I don't wanna say that people on tumblr are being hypocritical and maybe a little racist because I understand that it's a niche type of show that not everyone wants to see, but then I see people shipping white girls who are both straight, like not even bi, just straight on shows that aren't even that good and I get frustrated because we have a canon wlw relationship between a bi/pan black woman and a lesbian middle eastern muslim woman and no one cares. I see gifsets of superc*rp and j*ssica Jones with that blonde chick ten times more than I see gifsets of Kat and Adena kissing and it just bothers me. Not to mention that besides the Kadena ship there are three more amazing women on the show. Jane who is much more traditional than her friends who stands firm in her beliefs but pushes her limits when she needs to. Sutton a strong women who would do anything for her friends but also sticks up for herself and always tries to do the right thing. Jacqueline, a motherly figure who knows exactly when she needs to be soft and when she needs to be tough. And these aren't perfect cookie cutter women, they're complicated, they have flaws, and if they to to bed with makeup they wake up smudged. I just don't understand why no one wants to watch The Bold Type on Freeform at 9/8c on Tuesdays.
#the bold type#kat edison#adena el amin#sutton brady#jane sloan#jacqueline carlyle#tbt#kadena#suttard#salex
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Thank you. People keep trying to guilt other fandoms into watching Erp or Bold. No one is telling us what these shows are about though. "Its gay" isnt a good enough reason to watch a show and shouldn't be our standard. I started watching t100 because I am a science major and a syfy nerd. I finally asked what Erp was about and you know, no intrested in that type of show. That doesn't mean I dont want it to continue, but I shouldn't have to be told i'm a bad persom for not wanting to watch it.
Yeah Wynonna Earp is definitely a “niche” kind of sci-fi bordering into supernatural. It has Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Supernatural vibes, with Longmire’s and Hell on Wheels western action sprinkled on top so if those shows didn’t really hold your attention it’s probably not your kind of thing. And there is nothing wrong with it. If anything, people insisting you watch it would end up turning you away from it even more so you’ll never try.
Same goes for the Bold Type. People in fandoms sometimes write posts that can come off as a bit passive-aggressive. Some Earpers did it with Supercorp fans after SDCC trying to get them to jump ship and while it can be true that some people are just refusing to give The Bold Type and Wynonna Earp a chance at all, it’s not always a matter of a show giving you wlw content so everything goes. Yes, we are starved for representation, but you can’t make a person that doesn’t like supernatural elements watch WE on the sole premise of Wayhaught and you can’t get someone who’s into action driven shows to watch the Bold Type.
What people can still do, to support fandoms they aren’t actively in, is reblog fanarts, gifs, fanfics from these fandoms, BTS and videos from writers and cast to give traffic to the show and participate or spread info about social media activities.
But telling people that if they don’t watch x show they are a bad person will turn them away from even helping you support the shows you love. It’s useless and detrimental to guilt trip people - you can shame them into doing what you want them to do, but they’ll hate it. What you can do is tell them WHY you love the show so much and, should they still refuse to watch it, or stop after one episode, accept that maybe it’s due to disinterest in the particular genre and not some sort of grand scheme to sabotage you.
These are obviously my two cents, anyone is free to drop me a line on this or add their POV.
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