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Why I dislike the LotR movies
A few weeks months ago @acaseofsilverspoons​ asked me why I say I hate the Lord of the Rings movies, and I promised I would try to give an explanation. Sorry for the delay, I have a lot of thoughts and it has taken a bit of time to order them in my head and then I forgot about this draft.
Movie people following the newsletter: stop reading now. I am going to spoil the hell out of it. And even if you don’t care about spoilers, if you like the movies you’re probably going to get defensive and enjoy the novels less because of it. I don’t want to be the reason you enjoy Tolkien less. Come back once you’re done reading, I’ll be happy to discuss then!! ^^
Disclaimer: I haven’t watched the movies. I have a very weak visual imagination and I hated the design of the elves on sight, so I decided to avoid getting them as my default elves; and I react very badly to peer pressure, which means the more people tell me I need to watch them the least I want to. I still think I have enough information to base my opinions, but well. There you go. Can't tell me I lied to you.
The first, and main reason, I “hate” the LotR movies is very well summarized by this strip of the webcomic Weregeek.
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The movies are good enough, and good enough adaptations, and enough of a cultural milestone, that people talk of them as if the movies and the novels were interchangeable. Tolkien was never exactly obscure, and it’s not like people are at risk of forgetting the novels exist, but a lot of people have seen the movies but will never read the books, and even people who are into the genre will read the novel after seeing the movies. So you have people who have only experienced the movies thinking they know all that there is to know, and people who have experienced both getting to the novel with the preconceptions of the movies (see all the people analyzing Frodo’s actions as effects of the Ring from day 1 in the newsletter, or people immediately assuming book!Denethor is an abusive parent... we’ll come back to that). I’ve heard people say “don’t worry about reading the novels, the movies are enough”. And they are NOT. They are very much NOT. Even if you think every single choice in the movies is justified and good, there were a lot of choices made. They’re not equivalent.
Let me expand on that under a Read More because believe me, this is going to get long.
Let’s start with the themes.
First of all: Lord of the Rings is not an action story. If anything, it is an anti-war novel. Even though most characters admit that violence is sometimes necessary, almost universally it is considered a necessary evil. We have Faramir, the closest to a Moral Compass Man we have, literally spelling that he doesn’t like war for itself, but only for what it defends. And the narration mirrors this: except for the Battle of Helm’s Deep, every battle is either skipped over (the Black Gate), told in retrospect (Isengard) or interspersed with sections about the grief it brings (Pelennor). And in all cases, we end them with lengthy descriptions of the people that died and the grief they caused. It’s hard to finish the novel going “oh, the battle of Pelennor was awesome! I wish there were more!” when the last thing you hear about it is three pages of obituaries. In contrast, the movies fall into the trap of wanting to utilize their shiny new technology and their great visuals for battle scenes, and end up making battles cool. I have lost count of the dudebros whose take on the LotR movies was “weren’t the battles awesome???”. And before you come for me with “but the text says”, to quote Lindsay Ellis, movies are a visual medium. If you make the battles the most visually appealing and fun part of your movie to watch, you can have characters have unending monologues about how bad war is, that’s not the message people are going to get from it. And if you make a LotR adaptation whose message is “war is cool and fun”, you’ve missed the mark by a mile.
Secondly, another big theme about Lord of the Rings is that in the end, it’s the small people that make the difference, and that noone wins alone. To quote Elrond, “you may find friends upon your way when you least look for it”. But the movies, in their (reasonable) quest to streamline the story to fit a movie runtime, choose to prioritize the more classically heroic characters and arcs, sacrificing the small people for the big flashy kings and warriors. Pippin and Merry’s contributions get pushed to the side, while Aragorn not only retains all his original plotpoints, but even gets a shiny new subplot that was only in the appendixes in the novel. And also everyone who isn’t a member of the Fellowship (and not even that.. we’ll get back to Gimli) gets their role changed to make the actions of our heroes more necessary. Théoden is under a literal spell that needs to be lifted by Gandalf, and has to be told how to do war by Aragorn; the Ents decide not to attack Isengard and have to be reminded of the stakes by the hobbits; Denethor is such an incompetent nutjob that Gandalf can hit him in front of his guards and nobody cares. I understand the urge to make the main characters more important,, but LotR has a very strong feel of people in the same danger uniting to fight together instead of fending for themselves; this way, the secondary characters feel less like allies and more like sidequests.
And that gives me a nice segue into another, less important but more annoying issue: the characters.
Noone who follows my tumblr will be surprised to discover that Pippin and Merry, especially Pippin, are my favourite characters. If you asked me to tell you what are my favourite scenes in the book, which parts I’ve re-read the most often, they would be A Conspiracy Unmasked, P&M’s meeting with Treebeard, Éowyn’s monologue, the passage with Pippin and Bergil, and The Scouring of the Shire. Do I need to explain more? Except for Treebeard and Éowyn, none of these scenes made it into the movie. Which is a crime against me, personally. But apart from being annoying to me because I like them, it also means that their entire character arcs (again, especially Pippin’s) completely disappear. Pippin has the most traditional coming-of-age story in the novel: he’s a teenager dragged in an adventure bigger than he expected who has to grow up and learn that the world is bigger than he ever imagined and some things are important, and who then comes back home all grown up and ready to fend for himself. By cutting both A Conspiracy Unmasked and The Scouring of the Shire, you cut both the setup and the payoff of his arc, and by aging up the actor playing the character, you turn him from a learning teenager to a bumbling adult. Is it important in the grand scheme of things? Not really; but every time I see a meme about how Pippin is an idiot I feel like punching a wall.
Denethor. I didn’t know it was possible to be this offended on behalf of a character I don’t even particularly like. When I first looked up Denethor meta I thought I had slipped into a parallel dimension for a while, until I discovered it was just that Peter Jackson had performed a little character assassination of his own. Book!Denethor is not a nice or an endearing character, but he’s not an easily hateable one either. He’s the leader of a country in perpetual war against an enemy way stronger than they are (he has probably been born already under the Shadow of Mordor, knowing he would have to lead his people against it since he was a kid). He is cold, and calculating, and shrewd, and he has sacrificed his humanity (and his family) in order to make the decisions he thinks need to be made. To put it bluntly, he’s a character type who would be a good (and successful!) guy in Game of Thrones. But because he is in a story whose core themes are empathy and friendship and compassion, he’s a tragic figure: when the grief of the sacrifices he was willing to make hits him, he has nothing and noone to lean on, and he breaks. From everything I’ve seen, Peter Jackson has decided to take his character in a more “abusive father” direction. And look, I’m not going to say book!Denethor was a good parent. He was not. But he didn’t just “love Boromir and hate Faramir”. It’s more complicated than that. He was sure of Boromir’s loyalty, while he feared that in a conflict situation, Faramir would side with Gandalf and not him. And as a general, that is a big concern. Also, from everything I’ve read, movie!Denethor’s military tactics are whack from day one, which kind of diminishes his characterization as a cold but effective general. But that might just be a question of filmmakers not understanding medieval military methods, which... fair, I guess. On a related note, what’s that about a scene of him eating a tomato?? Did they really give him a scene explicitly designed to be disgusting and unrelatable?? The quest to make Denethor more hateable, though, is not only a problem because of his character. His character choices bleed onto others. In particular, Boromir, Faramir and Pippin. If Denethor is an abusive nutjob, why is Pippin drawn to swear loyalty to him? Is he an idiot?? Boromir comes off as the favoured child in an abusive household. But the worst is Faramir. A few weeks ago someone who is movie-only described him to me as “Faramir is the brother of Boromir that is hated by his dad, right?”. And I don’t think I can explain my reaction to Faramir, fucking Faramir, being reduced to a wet blanket who looks very sad and does nothing while his dad walks all over him. Just give me that gif of a guy screaming into a pillow.
And lastly on the “character assassination” column, Gimli. I think I’ll leave @carlandrea​ take the mic on this one, they can say more than I could possibly, and better. All I’m going to say is that, from everything I’ve seen, the movies take one of the more well-spoken, dignified characters, and made him into a bumbling, crass comic relief who fits closer to a D&D parody dwarf than anything Tolkien ever wrote.
And now, let me end with some quick-fire complaints that wouldn’t be important if the ones above hadn’t happened.
What happened with the male elves’ design?? I understand holding a casting for “otherworldly beautiful men” is not doable, but why do they look like that?? And it’s not that they can’t do elves, Galadriel and Arwen look good! Were they scared to make them “look gay” if they were too pretty?? If that’s the case, why didn’t they lean into the “otherwordly” part of it and made them alien-looking? WoW elves look more interesting than that!!
Also, I need to have a serious talk with the wig department. Why do the elves’ wigs have no volume?? Why do they look limp and dead? Why is Elrond balding? What’s going on here??
While we’re on the topic of character designs, it’s a pet peeve of mine that the hobbits only have hair on the top of their feet. It looks more decorative than anything and I don’t like it.
Last complaint about the character designs, I promise: this is not a criticism of Elijah Wood’s acting. I have never seen him act, I couldn’t say. But Frodo is supposed to be a middle-aged gentlehobbit. Why is he played by a 20 year old skinny guy who looked like a teenager?? Why is Frodo not fat?? On that note, why is Sam the only fat hobbit? They are hobbits! They are defined by ruddy cheeks and round bellies!! Did the producers think a middle-aged fat protagonist would be too much for an audience to swallow??
I’m not sure if I got this right, but I think in the movies Arwen’s life is tied to Aragorn taking his throne?? Because if that’s true, wow, way to make her into a more active character in the beginning only to tie her entire existence to a male character’s story arc!
And while we’re on the subject of stuff I suspect but I’m not sure of, I’ve seen enough Éowyn takes with the same uncanny valley feel as Denethor’s to suspect they did something to her character. And if they turned her into a Hollywood Strong Female Character Who Don’t Need No Man (TM) I will bite someone.
Lastly on this category, I am very confused about the elves from Lórien who apparently appear randomly at Helm’s Deep. Is Lórien not being attacked in this version of events (again, reinforcing the idea that everything revolves around the main characters)? Where do they go after the battle? Did they come for two days and then go back to Lórien? That sounds like a stupid plan... And also, you are aware the Rohirrim are super fucking distrustful of elves, right, PJ? How the hell did Aragorn convince Théoden and Éomer to let a battalion of elves into the Helm??
If you’ve gotten all the way here, thank you so much! It got longer than I expected, which was already very long, so thank you for bearing with me! I am willing to discuss and debate all of these, as long as it is civil.
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wrongydkjquotes · 1 year
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(Context: ai cookie went rogue)
Binjpipe: Look, we have medics and guards standing by just in case. And this is one of our strongest containment rooms. Everything is under control.
Nate: You do realize that the scientist says that in every horror movie, just before things go horribly wrong.
Schmitty: This isn't a cheesy B-Movie, Nate Shapiro. Relax! What could go wrong?
Nate: Are you trying to get us all killed?
(Source: Weregeek)
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goinggoats · 2 years
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I’m pretty sure I was 8 when my brother introduced me to OOTS so I’ve been reading webcomics for 18 years.
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Hey, Have you entered this competition to win Kathy Lyons' Love and Explosions Giveaway yet? If you refer friends you get more chances to win :) https://wn.nr/CBS6xJc
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Abbie from Weregeek is graysexual!
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because I love both comics and whump, here's a list of sorta-whumpy webcomics I've come across over the years:
-Guilded Age
DnD style world, pretty long running comic with good characters. It's been a while since I've read it, but it specifically had some real good emotional whump.
-Weregeek
Essentially a slice of life comic about nerds doing nerd things. Has some pretty nice whump in the rpg imagine spots. (Particularly their playthrough of a cyberpunk ttrpg)
-Color Theory
On webtoon. Post-apocalyptic slice of life, if that's a thing. Heavy on emotional bonds and has some whump to go with it. Also the premise is "survivor finds injured scavenger". Very cute art.
-If AI Ruled the World
Also on webtoon. Sci Fi, but more of a near future. Kind of psychological whump? I enjoyed it a lot, but it's pretty dark at times.
-Madame Outlaw
Webtoon. Western/historical. Heavy on emotional whump, but we also get some nice angst from the character backstories. Lovely art.
-Forever After
Webtoon. Twists a bunch of fairy tales. Mostly angst, has some minor lady whump via action scenes.
Reblog with your own additions if you'd like!
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ushouldbereading · 7 years
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Today on my vlog I talk about the webcomics that I enjoy and have been following pretty religiously over the years.  If you want to check out any of them, you can find links to them below.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ http://grrlpowercomic.com/ http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/ http://pvponline.com/ https://www.penny-arcade.com/ http://www.goblinscomic.com/ http://www.spinnyverse.com/ http://www.weregeek.com/ http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/ http://www.kick-girl.com/
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eternos137 · 7 years
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Weregeek Fans
Okay, who here is a fan of the Webcomic Weregeek? Speak up! The comic is full of Drama, Comedy, and a slight bit of action of you look at the imagination sequences.
SPEAK UP!
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Someone has written a comic about me... I’m the long haired girl.
(If you like geek stuff, in particular stuff concerning LARPs and RPGs, this strip comes from a great comic called Weregeek that I 100% recommend. It is very funny, extremely geeky, but also real geeky, not Hollywood “all geeks are male, white, straight and extremely socially awkward” geeky. The cast is diverse, they are adults with adult problems, they touch on the racism and sexism and ableism in the geek community, they have big flaws that get treated in realistic ways, and one of the last arcs was one of the main characters discovering her asexuality. I love it. <3)
@juliensorelisoverparty, @storyweaverofgondor, @the-reformed-ringwraith, @roxycake ;)
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swingsetindecember · 6 years
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hasrax reblogged your photo: i was trying to search for weregeese but this is a...
Why is this not a fic, damnit!?!
@hasrax *turns up 4 years later with the tumblr links* here you go
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shittymurderparty · 3 years
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Detective Chambers: (motioning to redacted’s cell) Look, we have cameras and guards standing by just in case. And this is one of our strongest containment rooms. Everything is under control.
Officer Elliot: (unsure) You do realize that all of those cops say that in every horror movie, just before things go horribly wrong.
Officer Trevor: This isn't a cheesy B-Movie, dude. Relax! What could go wrong?
(Alarm blares, startling the 3 cops as they turn to the now broken capsule)
Officer Elliot: Are you trying to get us all killed?!?
(Source: Weregeek)
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shorteststory · 3 years
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Some webcomic palz and I are starting up a new D&D livestream! It features:
Jeph Jacques, Questionable Content
Danielle Corsetto, Girls With Slingshots
Randal Milholland, Something Positive
Alina Pete, Weregeek
Me!
We are all playing TRASH HEROES! We stream every other Saturday and you can catch this past weekend’s stream on YouTube:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih7WBQ_EgiQ
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXI_HMgow
My character is Copernicus Sunshine, aka Grandfuncle Pernie, an accidental warlock with a fishing habit!
My fav moment from Episode one is here, where he uses his spectral fishing rod to blood-magick a fleeing ogre back into a pit of eldritch tentacles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXI_HMgow&t=5752s
GOOD TIMES!
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dwellordream · 3 years
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Is weregeeks worth reading? The vtm role play intrigued me
It’s not like a serious plot oriented webcomic and it’s very much the product of early 2000s humor and internet culture. I reread some of it recently and there are some uh… very dated moments. Sometimes it can be quite self aware and other times it’s very ‘um i was bullied for being nerdy in high school and that’s just as bad as racism, actually’. I don’t think it’s regularly updated with like an ongoing storyline in years, the webcomic boom has come and gone (besides webtoons).
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Hey, Have you entered this competition to win Join the movement for equality and love with Pride Not Prejudice, and enter to win 3 fantastic books from the anthology by Kathy Lyons yet? If you refer friends you get more chances to win :) https://wn.nr/bKMtUzb
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fuckyeahasexual · 4 years
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The webcomic Weregeek is doing a great storyline right now with a character realizing she's ace! I highly recommend it.
A read a few panels while fetching the link and it seems cute and well done. As mentioned: Weregeek Website!
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