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addicted2coke-theothercoke · 13 days

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Okay

I'm not gonna pretend I don't like romance, I quite heavily shipped Dicey and Jeff in the Tillerman Cycle when I was younger

I'm not going to pretend I don't like dumb romcoms, Serendipity will always be a great movie

I'm not going to pretend I don't like enemies to lovers plotlines, Buffy and Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) and their whole messy, conflicting ark is really good

But something want hearing someone refer to a book as an enemies to lovers romcoms, as a way to introduce the book, doesn't feel right

You could have read the blurb on the back(if it has one) and done better

#random thoughts #romance story #Tillerman Cycle #cynthia voigt #serendipity #romcom #buffy the vampire slayer #annoyance

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cinematicnomad · 9 months

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This is totally something I would have read! (You have excellent taste 👌)

a few years ago (i think during covid??) i went on a rabbit hole to find the book and realized it was one of cynthia voigt's now called tale of elske (when i read it, it was simple titled elske). did a re-read and honestly it held up for what it is! seems like it's part of a series, but i never read the other books so i'm not sure how directly linked they were.

edit: look i found the original book cover i had!

#ask #tuplipfromtheinternet #i literally forgot it was one of her books until just now when i went to go check #when i think of cynthia voigt i think of her tillerman series #and the bad girl series #my favorite of her books to this day is still 'a solitary blue'#which is part of the tillerman cycle but tells the story of jeff #i also loved homecoming which was the first in the tillerman cycle #i think i read and re-read those 2 books a hundred times as a kid

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aemiron-main · 2 months

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Father And Son: TFS, Brenner, Cat Stevens, The Cycles, Cat’s Cradle, 8:15gate, Radiationgate and Cat’s In The Cradle

So, during TFS, Brenner says the following to Henry, specifically saying “father and son” to him at the end:

Which, that made me think of the 1970 Cat Stevens song, Father and Son, because Brenner’s dialogue is worded the EXACT same same way as the song title:

And you might be thinking “this is a stretch, Brenner just saying ‘Father and Son’ doesn’t mean it’s connected to the Cat Stevens song, ‘father and son,’ is a common phrase, right?” and usually, I’d agree- however, Cat Stevens, and specifically, the EXACT ALBUM that Father and Son is on has ALREADY BEEN REFERENCED in ST specifically in the context of Brenner.

Where?

In the newspaper (because of COURSE it’s the newspapers again)- look at Brenner’s crossword here:

It says “tillerman’s beverage,” as one of the hints- and the answer is tea. As in Tea for the Tillerman. As in the exact album by Cat Stevens that Father and Son is on:

And not only does it appear in Brenner’s crossword, but they specifically showing him crossing that one off:

And there’s him having written the answer in, down vertically from 60- “tea”:

And what is the song “Father and Son” about? Well, it’s basically about what the title says- a father and his son. But specifically, it's about a the difference in perspective between father and son re: his son leaving/it's about the generational divide between father and son, and was written about the idea of a son wanting to leave to join the Russian Revolution.

This is also all interesting regarding the idea of anachronistic song references in TFS, specifically, songs from the 70s, such as Chuck E’s In Love being referenced in TFS versus Father and Son being from 1970:

And while I don’t think Brenner himself was necessarily referencing the song (although it’s possible because as evidenced by him knowing the answer to that crossword, he’s clearly aware of the album Tea for the Tillerman), it’s still yet another reference to a 70s song in TFS.

And speaking of TFS, Father and Son was originally supposed to be a musical (and of COURSE there's an Edward involved LMAO):

Versus the musical number in the church in TFS and the musical Oklahoma being reference repeatedly in TFS/Ted Wheeler sings a song from it.

However, there’s also more to this whole ST referencing Cat Stevens thing- because it’s something I talked about on discord quite awhile ago-

-but basically, summarizing those screenshots, this all connects to “I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight,” playing over a scene of Karen in s3, because that song has these lyrics:

And that “curtains are closed, cat’s in the cradle,” lyric is interesting for the following reasons:

a.) the whole “behind the curtain” thing in ST plus the whole TFS play/curtain thing

B.) “Cat’s in the cradle,” versus the book Cat’s Cradle from 1963 by Kurt Vonnegut- which has some VERY interesting connections to ST.

So, in Cat’s Cradle, the narrator is a writer that introduces himself as Jonah (but his name is really John and he’s never named again), and he sets up the plot as a flashback. The plot centers around when Jonah was planning to write a book called The Day the World Ended about what people were doing on the day of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.

Which, the connection to Hiroshima is interesting considering what I talked about in this post regarding how 8:15 gate connects to Hiroshima & to James’ radiationgate posts.

And in the book, John also includes snippets from religious texts called The Books of Bokonon. Most of the events of the novel occur before the narrator was converted to his current religion, Bokononism.

And while researching for his book, Jonah heads to Ilium, New York, the hometown of the late Felix Hoenikker, who was a co-creator of the atomic bomb, because Jonah wants to interview Hoenikker's children, coworkers etc.

When he gets there, Jonah finds out about a substance called ice-nine, created for military use by Hoenikker and now likely in the possession of his three adult children. Ice-nine is an alternative structure of water that is solid at room temperature and acts as a seed crystal upon contact with ordinary liquid water, causing that liquid water to instantly freeze and transform into more ice-nine. Among several odd unfoldings in Ilium, the narrator meets Hoenniker's younger son, Newt, who recounts that his father was doing nothing more than playing the string game "cat's cradle" when the first bomb was dropped.

Which, all of the ice-nine stuff has me staring at the lack of water in the UD, and the song “Cold As Ice” playing during S3, during a scene where Mike has a Lynx behind his head (which, the Lynx thing is something I’ll come back to in this post bc it ties into all of the “cat’s in the cradle,” stuff, esp being in the same season/possibly the same ep as that Karen “cat’s in the cradle scene” and Victor’s burning cradle scene vs the taxidermy lynx in the Creel house).

And also, the book even has its own Papa- the dictator called “Papa” Monzano, who is introduced when Jonah goes to the fictional Caribbean island San Lorenzo, which is also where Jonah gets introduced to Bokononism.

Bokononism was founded by Bokonon, who was a former leader of the island, and who created Bokononism as part of a project to give people hope and community in the face of the island's poverty. As a deliberate attempt to give Bokononism an alluring sense of forbidden glamor, the religion is outlawed, which forced Bokonon to live in "hiding" in the jungle.

Which, Bokonon hiding in the jungle reminds me of all of the stuff re: Henry supposedly hiding in the darkness versus Will hiding in S1.

And also, Papa Monzano, threatens all Bokononists with impalement on a large hook (despite the fact that Monzano himself secretly practices the religion, and the hook punishment doesnt really get used)- which this makes me think of all of the impalement imagery in ST, such as Billy being impaled by the fleshflayer-

(which is extra interesting considering the visual parallels between this shot of Billy’s impalement pose versus Vecna’s attic pose & how Vecna also gets impaled by the tentacles when they plug into him)

-plus Phineas Gage having been impaled by a rod-

(which is ALSO extra interesting considering how the Phineas Gage scene/“No Longer Gage” ties into TFS with Alice saying that “Henry” is “Not Henry,” and how right before that Alice-Henry exchange, Henry had these weird appendages grow out of his back, which is extremely visually similar to the Vecna attic scene I just mentioned, and therefore also ties all of this back to Billy’s impalement, especially considering the parallels between Billy and Max versus Henry and Alice, although Henry doesn’t treat Alice the way Billy treats Max, there’s still parallels + Max has unending Henry parallels, especially re: sibling death & Billy’s death vs Alice’s death)

And also, Monzano has an adopted daughter, Mona- which, that immediately makes me think of Patty being Mr Newby’s adopted daughter, especially considering Mr Newby’s Brenner parallels, such as Mr Newby having stolen Patty versus Brenner stealing kids-

-AND Mr Newby being very authoritarian/dictator-esque when it comes to how he runs the school & how he runs his family.

And also, Monzano is ill from cancer- which, as we know, there’s SO many references to cancer in ST, considering what I’ve talked about re: the connections between regen healing and cancer plus the idea that Peter Owens may have had cancer.

And also, Monzano wants his successor to be Frank Hoenikker, who was both Monzano's personal bodyguard and, coincidentally, Felix Hoenikker's other son. Frank achieved this position by giving "Papa" Monzano a piece of ice-nine.

However, Frank doesnt want to be the new leaser and somewhat randomly offers Jonah the presidency. Although Jonah is surprised at at first, he accepts after he finds out that this means he’ll get go marry Monah. Soon after, the bedridden "Papa" Monzano commits suicide by swallowing ice-nine, whereupon his corpse instantly turns into solid ice-nine.

Papa Monzano being bedridden has me staring directly at Brenner Sr (who Brenner Jr also calls Papa), who was bedridden and dying after his return from Dimension X.

Frank Hoenikker admits to giving Monzano ice-nine, and the Hoenikkers explain that when they were young their father would give them hints about the existence of ice-nine while experimenting with it in the kitchen. After their father's death, they gathered chunks of the substance into thermos flasks and have kept them ever since.

Which, this has me staring at the scene of the Bingham kids in the kitchen, and how Peter Bingham puts in “too much salt,” versus the salt and ice used for sensory deprivation tanks, versus ice-nine, PLUS “Peter” Bingham versus what I mentioned earlier about Peter Owens and cancer, PLUS what I mentioned about Mr Newby versus all of the parallels between Mr Bingham and Mr Newby and Suzie versus Patty etc etc.

And after Monzano dies, celebrations for Jonah’s presidential inauguration begin, but during an air show performed by fighter planes, one of the planes malfunctions and crashes into the seaside palace, causing Monzano's still-frozen body to fall into the sea.

Instantly, all the water in the world's seas, rivers, and groundwater transforms into solid ice-nine. The freezing of the oceans immediately makes tornadoes ravage the earth, but Jonah manages to escape with Mona to a secret bunker beneath the palace. When the initial storms subside, they emerge and search the island for survivors, and discover a mass grave where all the surviving San Lorenzans committed suicide by touching ice-nine. Grieving for her people, Mona follows suit and dies.

This makes me think of a.) the complete lack of water and complete lack of people in the UD, and b.) all of the bunker stuff in ST, specifically, the NINA bunker + Murray’s bunker, and how Murray has a bunch of Creel references in his bunker, like his his Billie Holiday record + his WW2 posters which then also connect to the Peter Pan and Skull Rock and Eddie-Edward stuff but that’s a post on its own- but that also makes me think of what I said earlier re: Phineas Gage getting impaled because Scott uses that skull graphic that reminds me a lot of Murray's poster:

I also now have to wonder- if the UD was once a normal timeline that got devastated in some apocalyptic manner, could there still be PEOPLE there?? In bunkers?? After all, we’ve only seen UD Hawkins, but if the UD extends to other parts of the world, then what if there’s an UD NINA bunkers that still has living people inside of it??? Or hell, what about Murray’s bunker in the UD?? They’ve never shown it to us, but for all we know, there could be living people/alternate timeline versions of people in there, having survived however long it’s been since the disaster.

And at the end of the book, Jonah lives with some other survivors in a cave- versus TFS Henry having ended up lost in a cave in Nevada, and ending up contracting the shadow as a result, and Brenner says that Henry “changed, like my Papa,” due to Henry’s time in the cave, which brings us back to what I said earlier about Brenner Sr.

And anyway, setting all that aside and going back to the other reason why that “cat’s in the cradle,” line fron I Just Died In Your Wems Tonight is interesting, there’s also C.) “cat’s in the cradle,” versus the song Cat’s Cradle by Harry Chapin.

Which, “Cat’s in the Cradle" by Harry Chapin is about a father not being able to find time for his son and then his son growing up without him and not being able to find time for his father- basically, the son becomes just like his father, ironically, as a result of his lack of interaction with his father, which, the whole “becoming his father,” thing has me staring DIRECTLY at the lines in TFS re: “you have to BE your dad”:

And the “Cat’s In The Cradle,” thing is extra interesting because that song CONSTANTLY gets misattributed to Cat Stevens, who has an album called Cats Cradle:

Which, that reminds of all of the mistaken identity stuff in ST, especially regarding Brenner and Richard vs Martin/the identity mixups there and Eddie Munson delivering subtext for Edward & Eddie Munson being wrongfully accused of murder & Victor also being wrongfully accused by Wayne versus “the man who did this,” and how that connects to Brenner.

And speaking of “cat’s in the cradle,” there’s also all of the cradle imagery with Victor:

And there’s also all of the cat imagery in ST, specifically the silver cat/lynx stuff in S3 versus the stuffed silver cat/lynx in the Creel house and Victor talking about a wildcat:

Not to mention that again, that lyric is from “I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight,” versus Henry literally “dying” in Victor’s arms:

And it’s also interesting that this seems to be a REALLY specific song choice for S3/they really wanted “I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight,” because the use of this song is anachronistic, as S3 is set in 1985, and I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight was released in 1986- which is also interesting considering what I talked about earlier re: TFS and song anachronisms.

Point is, I think that Brenner’s TFS dialogue re: “father and son,” is meant to reference the Cat Stevens song “Father and Son,” and that there’s a bunch of other connections re: “cat’s in the cradle ,” and Vonnegut’s “Cat’s Cradle,” and Harry Chapin’s “Cat’s In The Cradle,” and all of Victor’s cat and cradle imagery.

And I also won’t be surprised if we get the song Father and Son on the s5 soundtrack.

#stranger things #the first shadow #henry creel #martin brenner #st music #st analysis #brenner's weird song lyric stuff

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haveyoureadthispoll · 5 months

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It's still true... That's the first thing James Tillerman says to his sister Dicey every morning. It's still true that their mother has abandoned the four Tillerman children somewhere in the middle of Connecticut. It's still true they have to find their way, somehow, to Great-aunt Cilla's house in Bridgeport, which may be their only hope of staying together as a family. But when they get to Bridgeport, they learn that Great-aunt Cilla has died, and the home they find with her daughter, Eunice, isn't the permanent haven they've been searching for. So their journey continues to its unexpected conclusion -- and some surprising discoveries about their history, and their future.

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ahdor · 1 year

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Top 5 albums!

1. Constant Star of Ohio by Lincoln

2. 13 by Blur

3. Tea for the Tillerman\Teaser and the Firecat by Cat Stevens

4. Dirt by Alice in Chains

5. Women on The Internet by Orla Gartland

honorable mention: Brain cycles - Radio Moscow. Euporie Tides - Causa Sui. Smooth Big Cat - DOPELEMON. and I cannot just point you to 1 Grateful Dead album.

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thejakeformerlyknownasprince · 3 years

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Penny for your thoughts on Dicey and gender? Specifically, Dicey and masculinity? I remember reading the Tillerman Cycle many years ago and thinking "wait a minute...we can play gender like this??"

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

Dicey Tillerman has such an interesting relationship with gender.

Throughout Homecoming, Dicey uses whatever gender is most likely to keep her siblings safe in their current situation. College guys and beach picnickers assume "boy," so she's a boy for the duration of that interaction. Cousin Eunice prefers daughters to sons, so Dicey's a girl while staying with Cousin Eunice. A boy is less likely to be attacked in New Haven, so "boy" it is. A girl is more likely to get strangers' help when carrying groceries, so "girl" it is. And the whole time Dicey is observing the way adults do gender, considering and discarding aspects of different presentations. Femininity for Cousin Eunice means tenderness and daintiness, but also high heels that hurt so badly you can barely walk by the end of the day. Masculinity for Windy and Stewart means safety and competence, but also implicit permission not to care about others or wash your own socks.

In Dicey's Song, Dicey has settled on a gender... and kind of chosen all of them. Once comfortably living with their gram, Dicey's free to wear ripped shorts and no shirt while working at home — because that's the easiest outfit for pulling crab pots or painting boats. She's free to wear pleated skirts and leather shoes while attending school — because that's the most convenient outfit for not attracting attention at school. Whatever. Dicey's gender is "I'm too busy fixing this sailboat to figure it out" and personal pronouns are "yeah, sure, whatever you just said, anyway can you hold this boom while I get the mast aligned?"

And it's striking because Dicey is not indifferent about 99.9% of topics. She has extremely strong opinions about highways, paper bags, paper dolls, paper mulberry trees, politics, beaches, bras, Annapolis, economic structures, James's hair, Sammy's attitude, Maybeth's diagnosis, uncles she's never met, doctors, Jeff, Jeff's guitar, Jeff's guitar's case... Just not about what gender fits her identity. Whatever. There are sailboats that need fixing.

#dicey tillerman #gender #homecoming #cynthia voigt #dicey's song #tillerman cycle #honestly this book was so formative #i 100% agree about reading it and going 'what do you MEAN you can just be whatever gender is convenient'#'how is that an option'#'and can i please have it'#nothing to do with animorphs

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darkestwings · 6 years

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Top 5 Wednesday: May 9, 2018

Characters You'd Want as Family

You can say this in a broad way or be specific (i.e. _______ would be a cool aunt, ______would be a great older brother, etc.) To participate in Top 5 Wednesday, head over to their Goodreads Group!

Almost every main character from The Tillerman books // The Tillerman Cycle by Cynthia Voigt

This is probably cheating to be like "oh yes the entire extended family unit from 7 whole books" but whatever! I love the Tillermans more than I've ever loved any characters from any media.

I don't even think I can properly explain it, but if a god came down from some heaven and was like "I will reset the world and let you invent a family for yourself, tell me what you want" I would just dump these books in their lap and just:

"I want Dicey, Sammy, James, Maybeth, and Gram first of all. And I still want my real Granny too because I think she and Gram would get along scarily well, so just keep that in mind. Secondly, Bullet needs to be alive and HAPPY and if you have the time to make Miss Liza not go crazy and die that would be great. No no, I have no need for John the abusive husband, that bitter prick can die. I don't want Francis Verricker either. He doesn't count as a part of that family and if you bring him to life I will kill him myself so don't waste your time. Feel free to throw in Mina Smith's whole family AND Tamer Shipp (and his family probably he seems to like them) and Jeff Greene's too. Actually wait, just Jeff, Brother Thomas, and the Professor. Melody's whole side of the family can choke. Okay great get crackin' on all that I'm going to go reread the series."

And whatever god offered me this option would completely regret it, but I would insist we shake on it as soon as possible so they'd be locked into that whole deal.

The Gangsey // The Raven Cycle by Maggie Stiefvater

Yep, I'm still cheating. But honestly after my last answer this one probably seems like nothing at all. In fact, you might even let me get away with having Blue's Fox Way family and the Gray Man? Yes. Excellent. So all the decent humans from The Raven Cycle. Check.

Ripred // The Underland Chronicles by Suzanne Collins

Who wouldn't want a GIANT FUCKING RAT who is excellent at killing as family?

Honestly though, he would be excellent to have around. He's sarcastic and rude which I can dig because I too am sarcastic and rude, he can kill anyone so Guard Rat, and he mostly just wants to eat shrimp in cream sauce and read books so like.... A nice companion all in all.

Dashti // Book of a Thousand Days by Shannon Hale

She's so kind and loyal and a great friend. Plus she has healing magic that can also help relieve the pain of chronic injuries so... Useful. Fuck you Mr. Chiropractor my new fam Dashti the Mucker can help me by just laying her hand on me and singing me a nice song. Eat it.

And like she's lovely and brave and I always thought she'd be an excellent friend.

Mr. & Mrs. Fitzwilliam Darcy // Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen

Okay so first I was torn between the two. The sassy lady or the most awkward man to ever live... And then I decided I'd just take them both!

I'd get to enjoy the sass of Eliza Bennet and the awkward kindness of Fitzwilliam Darcy AND if we were related...um....you know... HE'S SUPER RICH AND I WANT TO BE SUPER RICH BY PROXIMITY SO DEAL WITH IT. But mostly I just like them. The money is only a bonus.

Wow I am very demanding in my list of potential family... What about you? What book characters would you wish to have as family?

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ausnets · 2 years

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dreaming of the day i have a physical copy of the tillerman cycle books...

#wistful posting on yearning dot com....#i miss it godddd i just wish i could reread it rn!!!

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always-and-anyways · 5 years

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“Whoever does know about these things? It’s so hard to love someone-” “Hard to live up to love,” Dicey agreed.

Seventeen Against the Dealer, Cynthia Voigt

#im getting into the final pages of this book and i just keep crying #ive been reading about the tillermans since i was 10 and its actually ending #cynthia voigt #seventeen against the dealer #the tillerman cycle

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cinematicnomad · 8 months

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✨top 9 books✨

tagged by @tripleaxeldiaz & @woodchoc-magnum 😊

(like felicity, i, too, will be considering a series as a single book even though the "series" in this case is very loosely defined)

001. pride and prejudice by jane austen 002. the boy series by meg cabot 003. the sound and the fury by william faulkner 004. the martian by andy weir 005. the long walk by stephen king 006. daisy jones and the six by taylor jenkins reid 007. into thin air by jon krakauer 008. a single man by christopher isherwood 009. the host by stephanie meyer

honorable mentions from childhood include a solitary blue by cynthia voigt (and several other tillerman cycle books), the anne of green gable series by l.m. montgomery, the time quintet series by madeleine l'engle, and his dark materials by philip pullman.

tagging @crazyassmurdererwall, @machtaholic, @tattooedsiren, @valleydean, @catdadeddie, @telvayns, @daincrediblegg, @tawaifeddiediaz, @buttercupbuck, and anyone else who wants to do this

#YES stephenie meyer made this list #the host is just! so fucking good sorry not sorry #i have read and re-read that book sooo many times #and it still makes me cry to this day #also sorry while i love the terror show i never even finished the book so it could not make this list

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bethanyactually · 5 years

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iii 2 and 14 please :)

iii.2: answered here

iii.14: Character who is an interesting parental figure?

I immediately thought of two: Gram (aka Abigail Tillerman) from Cynthia Voigt’s Tillerman Cycle books, and Art Avery from Rainbow Rowell’s Fangirl.

Thanks, Stacey! :)

#literature preferences meme #books #meme #adixiebelle

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deservingporcupine · 6 years