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Inspired by this post by @bunniesandbeheadings , a list of explanations for what happened to the Princes in the Tower:
They both fell down the stairs.
They murdered EACH OTHER.
Everyone who has been accused of murdering them turned up to murder them at the same time, only to find they had died of natural causes already, so they all backed out of the room without saying anything.
They escaped out of the window by tying bedsheets together.
They were murdered by George Duke of Clarence's ghost.
Aliens.
Autocannibalism.
Spontaneous human combustion.
The plot of season one of Blackadder is 100% factually accurate.
They were eaten by wolves.
A surge of improbability caused them both to turn into bowls of petunias.
They became companions of the Doctor and ended up settling down on a planet three galaxies away.
They are both still alive TO THIS DAY.
#history#the princes in the tower#richard iii#blackadder#doctor who#the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
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Sir John Everett Millais (English, 1829-1896)
The Princes in the Tower, 1878
Royal Holloway College
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I don’t have a theory per se yet, but I am stewing on the connection between the Tower Princes (Gideon and Ianthe) and the Prrinces in the Tower — the sons and heirs of King Edward IV, Edward V and his younger brother Prince Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York — they were locked in the Tower of London by their uncle (who was rumored and theorized to have murdered them) and who then took the throne himself as Richard III
#Gideon IS John’s ‘heir’ afterall and ianthe seemingly second in command in some ways at this point#not sure where this leads and tbh I do think I’ve brought it up before but forgot haha#cause there’s new research suggesting both boys survived the tower#anyway!#the locked tomb#atn#tlt theories#mine#the tower princes#the princes in the tower#Gideon nav#ianthe tridentarius
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(Almost) Every Costume Per Episode + Extra's costumes in 1x03,4,5,6,7,9,10
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Hi there
So I follow the Tudor Trio and Nicola Tallis, Matthew Lewis and Nathan Amin were doing a debate today on the Princes in the Tower with the quote on quote new evidence that has been revealed from Philippa Langley.
I still firmly believe Richard III killed the Princes and find many of Matthew Lewis' arguments bizarre. I'm not sure why he thinks the Princes weren't a threat to Richard but were to Henry VII. If the Princes weren't a threat to Richard then why would they have been a threat to Henry VII? I can't understand why Richard would ever let them escape England of his own free Will. There is almost no chance they could have escaped without him knowing about it.
Also he claimed that Henry VII sent Elizabeth Woodville to Bermondsey Abbey and that she was supporting the Lambert Simnel Rebellion. Is there any truth to that? Thanks!
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply! Lewis' arguments are so incredibly ridiculous — they largely rest on accepting at face value people's signatures and on the claim that Maximilian and Margaret of York were too blue-blooded to ever lie for political ends: essentially, he claims lying was for peasants. And yes, the princes would absolutely be a threat to Richard III as he found out as soon as he left London after his coronation — there happened a rebellion made by former Edwardian servants that aimed to free the princes from the Tower, very possibly to restore them to the throne. The princes had been raised all their lives to regard the English throne as their birthright — you're telling me they would grow up abroad and would neve try a restoration aided by one of England's political enemies such as France?
The ricardian claim that Richard III sent them to Burgundy is incredibly ridiculous to me as well: even if they stayed with Richard's sister, she wasn't the one ruling Burgundy — Maximilian of Austria, the husband of Margaret's deceased daughter-in-law, was. How could Richard be sure Maximilian wouldn't take the princes the minute Richard did something that went against Maximilian's interests and use them to either blackmail him or depose him so Maximilian could have his own English king? Burgundy had displayed lancastrian loyalties not so long ago in the past and the political game in Europe changed constantly.
It would have been absolutely STUPID of Richard III to deliver the strongest weapon anyone could use against him to a foreign power. Let's also mention that Maximilian at the time was struggling with controlling his own children, the actual Burgundian heirs, because some Flemish cities had rebelled against him and had his heir (Philip of Burgundy) in their power and were up in arms against his regency. From June 1483 to July 1485 Maximilian couldn't have control of his own son. You're telling me Richard would have sent the biggest assets anyone could use against him to that unstable scenario?
The truth is that Ricardians like Matthew Lewis benefit from the fact that people study/know about the Wars of the Roses from an impossibly anglocentric lens, ignoring that the conflict was also the outcome of the multiple iterations of power play between Western European powers: 'the Wars of the Roses were an extended episode in a European conflict, not just a murderous private dispute'. It really is inconceivable, when it comes down to logic, how Richard was one step ahead of everyone during the mounting off to his takeover of the throne (bamboozling and imprisoning the Woodvilles, executing and imprisoning Edward V's strongest supporters such as Hastings) but would commit such a basic political error as sending other claimants to his own crown to a foreign power.
As to Elizabeth Woodville going to Bermondsey Abbey as a way of punishment for her supporting a rebellion against Henry VII, it makes little sense as well. Henry VII carried on with the marriage negotiations with Scotland that involved Elizabeth and two of her daughters until James III's death in 1488. Again, it would make little sense for Henry VII to have found out Elizabeth was conspiring against him but keep wanting to send her north as an ally to Scotland, a country that could easily make war on him and create problems. Why would he deliver an enemy into the hands of another possible enemy, if Elizabeth truly conspired against him? Again, it's the lack of perspective into Europe and international politics that jump out in Lewis' logic.
Do my words make sense to you? I truly cannot comprehend how Lewis can say the stuff he says and no one really contradicts him in his logic.
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Looks like Philippa Langley might've done it again as she's written a new book about new evidence she and other historians have found that Edward V and Prince Richard of York actually escaped and were never murdered. Her book is out now in the UK and this is one of the many articles coming out ahead of the documentary that's getting ready to air in the UK this weekend and here in the US on PBS the 22nd, and from what I'm reading these new pieces of evidence does seem to point to the boys actually making it to Europe and that both those pretenders actually were them. One of new evidence found in the Netherlands is a written confession supposedly by Richard of York in Rome detailing how he and his brother escaped. The new evidence is coming from both Italy and France and has been authenticated to the correct time period during Henry VII's reign.
They're saying the new evidence has already changed some minds about this and I'll judge for myself when I watch the doc next week (as either the book doesn't have a US release date yet or my library isn't getting it) but Philippa already was able to find Richard III's remains and get him reburied, and this has been a long thing to clear up just like they did with proving that Shakespeare and others made him more monstrous than he was. My belief was that Richard III might've ordered the princes deaths (as that was common with monarchs and who they deem as threats to the throne) and then regretted it, but maybe so many of us have been wrong this whole time. Again this proves why the whole Wars of the Roses is one of my favorite historical time periods and things are still playing out.
#richard iii#philippa langley#the princes in the tower#edward v#richard of york#history#royal family
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My Roman Empire is the many similarities Captive Prince holds with Hamlet and The Tragedy Of The Princes In The Tower. Something about a spare plotting against his brother and his nephew(s) to take over a throne, an open secret and an open shut case that no one would dare to address. Yeah.
#captive prince#hamlet#the princes in the tower#you can argue with the wall#I could do a whole essay on this
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The Princes in the Tower (painting)
Prince Richard and King Edward V depicted in the Tower of London, 1483
Painting done by Sir John Everett Millais, circa 1879
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Richard III & the Princes in the Tower | Facial Re-Creations & History Documentary | Royalty Now
youtube
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"𝕳𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖘 𝖐𝖓𝖔𝖜𝖓 𝖒𝖆𝖓𝖞 𝖌𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖙 𝖑𝖎𝖆𝖗𝖘.."
Blackadder S01E01 "The Foretelling". p.1/5
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#i am frothing at the mouth#WHY CAN'T WE GET THEM OUT OF THE URN WHY DID THE QUEEN STOP US#the princes in the tower#richard iii#history
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The Princes in the Tower
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#ancestors alive!#what is remembered lives#memory & spirit of place#The Princes in the Tower#documentary#SBS On Demand#Royal Lives#history#English history#Phillipa Langley#Rob Rinder#The New Evidence#Richard III
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It’s a very strange topic to be fixated on
Blame my aunt, she did the ancestry thing and found out we’re descended from a bunch of royalty
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None of the written evidence that has been uncovered to this day ‘proves’ that the princes died [in 1483], or that Richard ordered their deaths. But nothing exists to contradict the very strong likelihood that this is what happened. For those who see their task as exonerating or condemning Richard there is enough ammunition for either argument. To historians used to dealing with shades of grey, the evidence has, time and again, pointed overwhelmingly at the princes’ death before the end of 1483, and to Richard’s guilt. It is not simply professional jealousy that seems to have made the case for Richard’s responsibility for the murders (as distinct from his all-round evil à la Shakespeare and Thomas More) the province of academic historians from James Gairdner to Charles Ross – and the case for clearing him that of gifted amateurs from Horace Walpole to Josephine Tey.
David Horspool, Richard III: A Ruler and His Reputation
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If King Charles wants to make himself more popular, he should finally allow DNA testing or other scientific testing done on the alleged Princes in the Tower (the ones interred in Westminster Abbey). So many people want to know what happened (I think there was a BBC poll that said that what happened to the Princes was what people most wanted to know among many other historical mysteries), that they might forget what a horrible person he is for a minute.
#the princes in the tower#richard III#richard the 3rd#he def killed those kids#we have the whole dna line now#so it would be a great time to do those tests#even if they can't get dna from the bones they can figure out the sex of the skeletons and when they died
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