Screamer: As long as nothing really bad happens between now and then, you'll be fine.
Nerd: Are you crazy? What did you say that for? Now something bad is gonna happen.
Screamer: What do you mean? Nothing's gonna happen.
Nerd: Not until some dummy says, "As long as nothing bad happens."
Red herring: It's the ultimate jinx!
Alpha: What were you thinking?! Or were you even thinking at all?
Screamer: You don't know... Maybe this time it'll be different...
(Source: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "School Hard")
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Excerpts from “Shatner: where no man...”
I recently read this book (Marshak & Culbreath, 1979) and wanted to share some excerpts (the book can be borrowed for free at archive.org, by the way).
To be honest, there’s a LOT of filler and hero-worship in this book (to very annoying levels), and it’s not a biography in the common sense of the word. But it also includes personal interviews with Shatner, Roddenberry and Nimoy, which I found the most interesting parts (chapters 7 and 8 above all). So here’s some of the stuff, chosen because it relates with Star Trek or it’s just funny/curious. With special attention to the K/S parts. Because I’m making the selection and say so.
From an interview with Shatner and Nimoy (1977)
Nimoy comments on the scenes he thinks define Kirk and Spock’s relationship:
Nimoy is asked about a particular blooper he’s never seen:
Gotta love his last line.
In relation to Devil in the Dark:
Nimoy then explains that he wasn’t always conscious of his reactions in front of the camera, some of them may have come naturally to him while playing the scene (like the swallowing here described). On the other hand, Shatner said in other parts of the book that he himself was very aware of his expressions and why he used them. Interesting to know when analyzing certain scenes.
About the problems with Turnabout Intruder (Roddenberry also addresses these issues in another section):
Elsewhere in the book (not part of the same interview), Shatner had also talked about this same episode:
Really, Janice Lester never struck me as the classical femme fatale who seduces men for her advantage, but Kirk... would turn himself into one? Oh, well. I can see that.
From an interview with Roddenberry and Shatner (1977)
Gene comments on Kirk and Spock’s relationship:
For this well-known passage, I’d just like to address some common criticism from those who grasp at straws to discredit what Gene said here. I’ve often seen this interview described as the authors “manoeuvring” Gene into talking about physical love between Kirk and Spock. As if Roddenberry had said that at gun-point, and thus wasn’t valid.
Well, NO. The interviewers only bring the subject of Alexander and Hephaistion because Gene had previously talked about the Alexander/Kirk parallel. And they never speak of them as anything more than friends. The whole “physical love” thing was brought entirely by Roddenberry (as a little later after this interview, he’d do with the t’hyla-lover stuff in the TMP novel).
The authors DO have an obvious agenda in this book, not gonna lie. But their fantasy revolves around alpha-male Kirk getting into relationships with strong women, not around K/S (at least not in this book). Believe me; I’ve read the whole thing, and it’s pervasive. To the point of trying to push Kirk/Uhura or Spock/Leila as love stories, despite Nimoy being much in disagreement with the latter, and both being forced to it.
Not to mention, the authors barely brush on the “physical love” thing, and move back to the Alexander/Kirk parallels.
In fact, the authors ask Gene again about Kirk and Spock’s friendship, and again, it’s him who makes the connection between their relationship and sexual relationships in general:
Confront this with the passage in the TMP novel:
But it still felt painful to be reminded so powerfully and unexpectedly of his friendship and affection for Spock—theirs had been the touching of two minds which the old poets of Spock’s home planet had proclaimed as superior even to the wild physical love which affected Vulcans every seventh year during pon farr.
But enough with the seriousness:
I can’t believe they were discussing Kirk’s ass in front of its owner...
There are other raunchy things in this interview (it’s Roddenberry after all), but I won’t put them in here.
From an interview with Theodore Sturgeon
So the legendary “In a pig’s eye!” line was DeForest Kelley’s improvisation? He’s the boss.
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Ok but what if Alpha tmp was a gen alpha
(*Redacted feels a tug at his clothes*)
Redacted: Hm? What is it Alpha?
Alpha: Give me the ipad
Redacted: Why?
Alpha: I want to watch skibidi toilet
Redacted: Skibidi what now
Alpha: Ohio.
Redacted: What?!
Alpha: …
Alpha: IPAD!!!!!!
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