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Nanofather Lore insanepost
Alright. We've seen my murderboard. It's incomprehensible. But for those who haven't, here it is:
It includes... a lot of everything. I couldn't begin to describe the journey I went on putting this together. Without further ado:
The Nanofather, also known as "The Weaver," "Creaky Man," and sometimes "Geltfrimpen" or briefly as "wily weaver," "dirty jeremy," "muck dweller," and "crusty man," is a recurring ominous character which appears most frequently in the opening segments of The Adventure Zone: Steeplechase. He says a lot of weird shit. And after 33 episodes, I believe I have a pretty good understanding of this shit. Take a walk with me, through this 8-part dive into what the Nanofather's deal is.
I will warn you, this is... insanely long. Turn back now.
1. The Foretelling
[moments leading up to the weaver]
Back in episode 18 of Ethersea, Justin mentioned how he's the last of them who has yet to DM. Then, later in the episode, Griffin loses his train of thought and Justin prompts him with "Spin the... spin the yarn" and the riffing leads Clint to say, "weave," and Justin says, "step up to the loom... let the weaving begin at the loom."
In the next episode, as the intro song fades out, Justin interjects in a high falsetto song, singing "Weave another tapestry! McElroy Family and me," and the bit goes on for a minute or so. Later, in Ethersea 24, when trying to convince Griffin to reconsider what happened in the narrative, Justin asks him to "Check your loom, weaver!"
When Justin finally makes his Steeplechase debut, he initially struggles with starting the story. So, Griffin jumps in with,
Griffin: "Can I do what you usually do to me?"
Justin: "Please."
Griffin: "And be like [singing dramatically] 'The yarn-spinner takes the loom in his hands and weaves a magical tale. Take the wizard by his hands as he flies you around on his rug made of wings and a angel’s hair.'"
Every subsequent episode has the same opening. The recurrence of these instances have culminated in the persona of "The Weaver."
2. The Stew
[in which the nanofather discusses various culinary topics]
The Nanofather routinely brings up the food of his world, in some way. This starts as early as episode 3, in which he says, "Perhaps a few more moments before the stew is prepared."
Other segments include advice about nano-nutmeg [12], clarifications about cilantro (called corriander in the UK)[29], and directing the addressee to search for pepperoni and green pepper in "the pyre" [19].
The other three instances of mentions of food directly address Shookles the cat. First, "Shoockles, your master calls. Where's the scum canteen? Fetch it from the shoof... my thirst is unslakable" [7]. Then, in the very next episode, says, "Please... the pollen broth. My throat became so dry... Fetch me the pollen broth, Shoockles" [8]. And most recently, he speaks rather dramatically, saying, "I believe I went… as far as I could… I don’t know if… it was far enough… I’m terrified to push it further… I believe this is the limit… Yes… no, that’s true… It’s true… The greater danger is hesitation, yes… I will add one more half-teaspoon of cumin, Shookles. Thank you, Shookles, I… should listen to your culinary acumen more" [22]. This is assumedly in reference to something he is cooking, perhaps the stew mentioned in episode 3. Perhaps all of these ingredients are being used in the stew.
Either way, these interactions tell us that the Nanofather has an interest in cooking, and that Shookles acts as an assistant to him.
3. Direct Interactions
[in-character conversations]
There are several instances where the Nanofather speaks with our player characters, or appears within their world.
This first happens in episode 20, when the crew enters the lair of Geltfrimpen and hears a voice familiar to the players coming from the dragon. He says, "Excuse me for this, but I have to keep up appearances." He continues to speak with the boys throughout the scene as they fight the animatronic. He says, "I’m having trouble staying here," and within the scene, Justin describes that, "The sound seems to be coming from like... the entirety of Geltfrimpen. It’s emanating from him, not localized to any one point in the dragon’s body." Beef asks the Weaver if he could come out of the dragon, to which he responds, "Would that I could." When Montrose begins refering to him as Geltfrimpen, he says, "I am not Geltfrimpen. I am here. But I am not Geltfrimpen." Emerich asks for his name, which is met with "Would that I know," but because Beef had called him creaky man earlier, the voice says "Creaky Man will suffice for now, I suppose. A good amount of christening."
He goes on to explain his situation at their behest:
"I will do my best to tell you what I know. It takes quite a bit for me to be as here as I am. But I will try. Part of me is in Geltfrimpen. But I am many places throughout the world. Part of me is here. Part of me is imprisoned here, I think. And through this act, I am no longer... trapped here, this part of me. I’m able to be more concentrated, if that—if that is the correct word, else... elsewhere... I will not be here long, and then I will vacate Geltfrimpen for good. And I will be a little bit more myself, elsewhere."
The implications within this one paragraph are that he does not have much of a physical form, and is potentially some sort of spirit, but he can manifest part of himself at will in some places. Montrose asks if he has a home base, but he says, "I’m... scattered. More accurately, I think... shattered."
He follows with even more interesting information,
"I’ve seen you elsewhere, I was... in one of the vans, as you made the thrilling escape. I was there. I called out, but it was so loud. I have watched you from the porch of Ustaben. In the... the whittling I sat, a rocking chair... I couldn’t summon up enough voice to reach you, but I called out. I called out to anyone who would listen, honestly. But you three are the first who seem to... be looking hard enough to hear."
There have been two heists with van escapes. The first is in episode 3, when Gravel pulled up in a stolen truck/van (it is important to note that they use them interchangably). The four of them were the only ones in the vehicle. However, this escape was not very thrilling, so we are going to refer to the Gutter City heist.
Sticky Finger(s) Paul Pantry asks the three of them to steal a truck called the Clean, and notes that it is made of Hardlight. When the time comes, Emerich has attuned with the hardlight Short Doug and drives in one of the trucks with him [9].
The second thing the Nanofather mentions is an obvious reference to the Ustaben attraction, Whittle Around. In the setup episode, Whittle Around is established as having a porch where "grandpa" sits and whittles wood-- grandpa, of course, being a hardlight construct who was initially Eustace but has since been replaced [0].
The combiantion of these two implies that the Nanofather exists for moments within, or as, these constructs. His spirit seems to be able to travel between them-- to what extent this is under his control remains questionable. Perhaps he is living within the park itself, haunting it. This is given further support at the end of episode 27, when an arcade machine in the back of Poppy's Place crackles with static and we hear the Nanofather say, "act... quickly." Emerich however is unable to make further contact, and this is the last time he seems to interact with them. Montrose says that they "have a ghost in the machine"[28].
4. The World He Inhabits
[what we know about the environment, the character, and allusions to mechanisms of communication]
In his first appearance, the Nanofather says to the audience (which may be moreso to the players/player characters? uncertain), "welcome travelers," establishing that we are not from the same place he is.
The world he lives in is fleshed out through each episode. Highlights include "quite a long day tending to the muck fields" [5], "I've missed the meeting with the rust council"[13], and the afformentioned scum canteen. He also says, in episode 6, "I have a new tale for you. Of a muck-dweller turned hero to his- to his people… I seem to have lost it in the last rust storm." This sets him in a sort of wasteland. He also says, or rather, sings, "I'm a neutron guy, you're my nega-girl, I'll sweep you through the ash waste as we make our way through the,"[10] before he cuts himself off.
It seems to be a world where things are rough-- he says, "to make it 37 years is quite a blessing"[13]. That implies his age is 37, or that he has survived 37 years in the conditions that he is in. Additionally, he says, "you will find it in the pyre"[19], a pyre being defined as "a combustible heap for burning a dead body as a funeral rite," implying that they either have to make their own fires or 'bury' their dead.
Notably, there seems to be a recurring theme surrounding weather and time.
"It's gotten so quiet, lately... in the nights... and in the mornings... and the cyber night, the time between the night and the mornings..."[14]
"It seems the storms have come early this evening"[4]
"The last rust storm"[6]
This implies that time is somewhat technologically controlled, and weather is on a cycle. The building of Steeplechase, or what we are to assume is, is like holographically augmented[31], and so are the inside skies of the park. It is plausible to say the environment wherever the Nanofather is could also be simulated.
5. Wall Breaks
[speaking to the players]
These indicate communication from the nanofather directly to the players. They imply to us more about the world, but more importantly, the means of communication and lore surrounding it.
In episode 9, we open the episode hearing a different voice. They say, "Hello? …Hello, spirits?" and begin to knock. "Nanofather says the spirits can hear you through the wall. Spirits… are you there?" But they are interupted by a familiar voice-- "Kavecca!," the nanofather says. "Just another of his stories, I suppose," Kavecca amends. "Kavecca, away from that! You dabble with powers you do not understand!" This raises a lot of questions from the players, about who Kavecca is, why there is another person speaking to them, and what the fuck the 'nanofather' means. What interests me is the referral to their audience as "spirits"-- and what implications does that have? Are they between the world the players inhabit and Steeplechase? Are the players spirits? Also factoring in Blades in the Dark, which has ghosts in it, which have been altered into hardlight for Steeplechase-- maybe the hardlight kept some of that original intent. Maybe that's how the nanofather is able to inhabit hardlight.
In the following episode, we find the nanofather singing a song. What follows is pretty strange.
ohh… I’m a neutron guy… and you’re my nega-girl… I’ll sweep you through the ash waste as we make our way through the…. [click] …do you hear me, Travis?
Travis: What?
I’m sorry… I didn’t realize I’d left the horn on.
Travis: Are you speaking, are you- talking to me?
Fare thee well.
[10]
First, in "I didn't realize I'd left the horn on," a horn is primarily UK slang for telephone. That could be interpretted here as a literal telephone or whatever line of communication they seem to share. Next-- he directly addresses Travis. This is the first conversation the players have with this character, and so far the only. But it isn't the only time he addresses them:
Clinton? Travis? Gribby? My three… my three favourite micro-nephews. Here to visit me. What a wonderful treat this is… Come. Let me see if I can’t find you a new tale…
Griffin: Gribby! Gribby can only say his own name.
Justin: Oh?
Griffin: Yeah, that’s sort of his thing.
Justin: Do you… how do you… I’m surprised you have insight into these three new characters… already.
Travis: I’m trying harder and harder to just pretend like we are not on the call when he records that part.
Griffin: It’s the only way to not be... ensorcelled by the tapestry he weaves.
Clint: Not me. Not me. Did you say Clinton? Clinton…
Travis: It sounded like Clinton.
Clint: I wonder who that is.
Justin: Clinton, Travis and Gribby are apparently, I’ve just found this out with you guys, is— did he say—
Griffin: The micro nephews.
[15]
This is interesting because Travis is the only one whose name is not altered, and he was specifically addressed before. What we also glean from this is that the nanofather views them as micronephews, so he has an alleged relation to them. Previously, he has called them children but it wasn't apparent until now that he was addressing them specifically.
In the intro with Kavecca, it is important to note that they are the first person to call the weaver "the nanofather." We know from his time as Geltfrimpen that the nanofather has no proper name. Nanofather is more likely to be a title, or rather, a signifier of Kavecca's relationship to him, such as being his child or grandchild. This would put Kavecca on the same family tree as Clinton, Travis, and Gribby, if they really are his "micronephews."
6. Descent Into Weirdness
[tonally different moments and their implications]
Everything The Nanofather says is weird, but these are the moments that absolutely baffle me, or upon which he is commenting on the story somehow.
The first time he seems to comment on the events of Steeplechase is in Episode 16, in response to a plot twist at the end of the previous episode (in which the Barrister arrived to kick Emerich's ass but they got him stuck in a machine). He says, "Oh, that’s not right… [rustling paper] …Oh, but this doesn’t make any sense, it was… The story wasn’t like this …. Or… I-Is it changing?" He then follows this in the next episode by... just... breathe-whistling menacingly? Note that this episode takes place when they are travelling between layers, on the start of their Ephemera quest.
Episode 18 starts with, "Oh… Oh, they haven’t… even begun to fathom it… But you…. You swore, we both swore? You know they’re not ready!" I wonder who the "you"/"we" is in this. Is it us as the audience, the players, or perhaps Kavecca? Eighteen is the beginning of the time they spend in Ephemera, and at the beginning of the episode Krystal has an encounter with someone in the Gallspire. This adds on to the commentary in 16 and implies that there is something bigger at play...
Episode 20 presents us with a poem of sorts:
Ever faster, ever closer, ever never slowing down… Ever nearer, ever clearer, ever nipping at the gown... Ever spinning, ever grinning, ever hearing what they please. Ever growing, ever knowing, that they are the disease…
There is no direct indication of what this is talking about, but I think it's about Dentonic. They never slow down, they don't know when to stop dreaming! They will warp whatever they must to fit their narrative and they don't care what the casualties are.
When the Weaver makes his entrance into the world of Steeplechase, at the end of 20 and speaking through Geltfrimpen, these occurences get more frequent:
"Oh, I… I’m mostly… mostly… with them now… [chuckles] ah… ah… smaller than I… assumed…" [21]
"Mostly… echoes… yet to be… I’m sorry, I know that doesn’t… answer your question…" [23]
"Yes… yes, I was surprised too, Shookles. What? Oh… Oh, they didn’t hear…"[25]
25 ends with Gravel being arrested for Sticky Finger Paul Pantry's murder. 26 opens with, "…yes, but I’d assumed it was… consigned to legend! I never would’ve expected- i guess… my understanding is not… what I’d thought it was. Terrifying, in a way, but also… quite wonderful." I can't even begin to parse what he's talking about.
Then of course, there is 27: "No, no, not to the boat... Only one... one node per layer... I tried to maintain hopping... but it’s too taxing... too many...noises..." What fucking boat? And he tries to hop between layers- maybe the nodes are in the things he is inhabiting. Geltfrimpen, the arcade box, hard doug, eustace... The arcade machine and Geltfrimpen aren't made of hardlight, and these are the methods through which he has actually been able to speak (he could only see through hardlight)... maybe these are the "nodes?" I wonder what the noises refer to.
When things start looking down for the crew as they try to piece together what the fuck is happening, The Nanofather opens episode 28 with, "I’m not sure yet… I’m hopeful… Ah, Shookles… optimistic…or perhaps… perhaps optimism is just the last refuge of those… with nothing left to lose..." The Nanofather is referring to himself in this line, and the fact that he considers himself to have "nothing left to lose" implies that he has a strong connection to the events in Steeplechase, particularly to the crew-- which makes sense given their previous interactions. But what is at stake for him is unclear.
In episode 30 he says, "The thought had crossed my mind… But it can’t be long now…" I must say this is particularly ominous because I have no idea what the "thought" is or what he is waiting for. His salvation?
Finally, we have episode 31. His last appearance.
"It feels… like something… has frayed…"
In this episode, Kenchal Denton speaks to the crew a lot about cutting loose ends. And then he drops them out of a hovercraft into a desert that seems to be entirely disconnected from the electrical grid Steeplechase is on. And we don't hear from The Nanofather again.
7. Ties to Clint McElroy.
[the ways in which this comes back to him.]
[post-discussion following the moment in episode 10 when the nanofather asks, "do you hear me Travis?"]
Travis: Is that guy my real dad?
Justin: You wish
Griffin: Legally, you have to tell Travis, if the muckdweller is his real dad
Justin: Not the muck dweller. The nanofather. Please-
Travis: Oh, it's right there in the name! I should have seen it a mile away it's so obvious now!
Now, this may be a stretch. And it started out to me as a joke, but guys. The further I get the further I am convinced. The Nanofather is connected to, if not is, Clint McElroy the Planeswalking Janitor.
Evidence A: He calls them "children" when he goes to tell them stories.
Counterpoint: Clint can't be his own son.
Counter-counterpoint: Clint's full name, according to Griffin on an episode of Wonderful, is Clinton Emil McElroy Jr. Meaning, he has a father named Clint.
Evidence B: When the Nanofather refers to Travis, Clinton, and Gribby, Justin later describes them as "these new characters," in the same way he insists that Clint McElroy his father and Clint McElroy the Planeswalking Janitor are separate things [Spiritbreakers Live in San Jose].
Evidence C: The Nanofather hops between layers, in a similar way to how Clint hops between planes. And the Nanofather seems to be fractured, scattered, not his whole self. He is powerful but weak. He is able to speak to players, characters, and potentially the audience? It transcends the boundaries between the two worlds...
Evidence D: Justin is a big fan of the TAZiverse. He has shown this multiple times but the ones I remember most are of course, when he introduces "Taako from Television" in Ephemera (and other Balance things, implies it was a legend passed down, etc), and when Griffin introduced that he would be playing Indrid in Dust 2. Like of fuckin course he'd be excited to bring things together more in small ways.
Evidence E: There has been increased Clint McElroy the Planeswalking Janitor activity, the most since before Ethersea. In April, Justin played the character Clint McElroy the Planeswalking Janitor in a liveshow in San Jose (I was there hi!!!), which had initially been planned for November but was rescheduled. Both of these, though, fall under the time in which Steeplechase was active, so he was thinking about this character during that time. Additionally, the merch of the month for August is a sticker of Planeswalking Janitor Clint McElroy. And he was mentioned in Steeplechase Episode 26, when there was debate over whether something was said by Emerich or his player.
Travis: I think that was Dad.
Justin: Oh. Well, I mean... yeah, I guess dad could be in it too, Trav. Is that what you’re saying?
Travis: No, I’m just saying, I think Dad was making the observation—
Clint: Oh my God! Is this an appearance by Clint McElroy, the planes-walking janitor?
Griffin: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Clint: Okay—
Travis: No, no, not yet.
Justin: No, we can’t, we can’t.
Travis: Don’t force it, don’t force it.
Evidence F: I didn't expect to find this one. Honestly I think it shows that I have gone too far as a person. But... guys this one drives me crazy. So. We meet Shoockles in Episode 4, when The Nanofather introduces him as "Cat bart... he's my cat. Bart Shoockles." And guys I was like haha that's funny there is no way this is related... But then I was on Clint's Instagram trying to figure out if maybe he had a cat, since I know Justin has one. And I came across a photo he took of a white dog, which I wasn't sure was his until I got confirmation from an old post on one of the boys' Instagrams. But... in the caption of the post with his dog, he calls him Homer. Clint McElroy has a dog named Homer. Let me just, direct you to the Simpsons family tree:
Finally, Evidence G: Justin would go really far for a bit. He likes to have fun and get silly with his family and he knows Clint would get a huge laugh out of this. And he would also do anything to get a good age joke on his dad.
8. Conclusion
[how it all comes together]
The moment you've been waiting for. What does it all mean?
The Nanofather seems to play no real importance to the main plot in Steeplechase at this point, but he has huge potential to. More importantly, looking at the Nanofather gives us some insight into the state of the park and where the player characters find themselves. He works as both a narrative framing device and as a part of the story. He talks to the players, the characters, and the audience, truly bringing a special flavor to Steeplechase.
With everything we've seen and heard, there is sufficient evidence to say that the Nanofather lives within the walls of the park, travelling using its energy grid. He has only been able to manifest to the characters through the electronics and hardlight creations. When they arrived in Kidadelphia in episode 32, it was apparent they were not connected to the same electrical grid, and there was no hardlight. The fact that he was completely silent in both 32 and 33 supports this theory, because there would be no way for him to communicate with them. Either that or they were too late and he died.
He has found himself in a wasteland, with weather and times that are controlled electronically. He is scattered, does not have a name-- a shell of who he once was. If the Carmine Denton Nanofather theory were correct, this would be a beautiful picture: the guy who created a way for others to escape is trapped in the destruction that his creation wrought... Regardless, I am concerned for his wellbeing since it seemed like he was in a hurry.
The interactions between the Nanofather and the heist crew imply that there could be a larger plot with him, but I don't know how close that is to happening. The Nanofather is one complicated guy, and if they want to save him I... guess they'll have to never know when to stop dreaming.
Thank you for coming along with me on this long and gruesome ride. I started this way back after episode 30 aired, I think. It's been simmering for a month, my own personal stew of sorts... For those of you who have helped contribute to my madness, thank you, and to those who have watched in horror, I'm sorry. It's been a real one.
And now, to send you off, I present to you this excerpt from Episode 10:
Justin: Our friend and employee Jupiter is kind enough to help pull together recaps of this dumb stuff, but Jupiter, showing a lot of wisdom here, does not track the story of the nanofather […]
Travis: I think they realize it's been so clear cut at this point that any child could keep track of all the nanofather/muckdweller lore.
#sierra speaks#taz steeplechase#taz steeplechase spoilers#taz nanofather#nanofather post#nanofather#taz weaver#taz theories#idk im on my shit#i am incredibly aware this is insane to parse through i have nothing to say for myself#also hi i asked a question abt the nanofather in chat on a livestream and justin was like#...its alll part of the plan... yeah...#and thats about it#so i did not find an excuse to include it#good luck yall#with reading this#also im posting at like 11 pm so. no one will see this first thing lol#this is 4265 words long. that is longer than my 10 page paper on frankenstein#uhhhh#god....
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Chalupa, my daughter
#the adventure zone#taz#taz balance#taz lup#lup#cate draws#I haven't drawn lup since she was a fan theory omg
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did john decide which of his friends would be the necromancer and which would be the cavs when he brought them back from the dead, or was that random?
I wish we knew for sure! John's friends ending up 50/50 adepts vs. non-necromancers is obviously one of TM's premises and was done for doylistic reasons first and foremost, but I don't think we have enough elements to conclusively interpret it as intentional in-universe.
Putting aside any kind of authorial intentions, this is what we know:
» The rate of necromancers as part of the population hovers around 30%. John's core group being 50% adepts is way off from that, and could point to manipulation, but also we're working with a very small sample size. Think about how it's very possible to get head five times in a row when flipping coins; probabilities are much less accurate on a smaller scale. I don't believe it's out of the realm of possibilities that a group of 10 people had exactly 5 necromancers in it.
» Harrow's birth. The Reverend Parents made sure she would be a necromancer by manipulating the embryo with thanergy. It's clearly not a known practice among the Houses at large, and John calls it "a sort of Resurrection" — implying that he could be able to do the same with thalergy. However, this doesn't confirm that he actually DID.
In the same conversation, John says, "This was all different before we discovered the scientific principles," which I think is also worth noting. The fact that he understands NOW how you could get an embryo to grow into a necromancer doesn't mean that he had that knowledge at the time of the Resurrection. It also doesn't mean that the same identical process would apply to making formerly-dead-people into necromancers as they got brought back to life.
It could very well be that necromancy was a generalised side-effect of the Resurrection that affected some people more than others; or it could be that John DID do something different when bringing back some people that conferred them necromantic aptitude. Even if it's the latter, I don't think we can take for granted that 1) it was intentional and 2) he fully knew what the side effects would be.
» Ulysses and Titania. Counterpoint! It's also worth noting that John's "test cases" turned out to be one (1) adept and one (1) non-adept. Like I said above, this could still be a random bi-product of the Resurrection... but given Ulysses and Titania's whole everything, their dichotomy reeks of control group. They are a big point in favour of the "John did it on purpose" column.
Still: I still don't think we can tell for sure that John knew from the moment of Resurrection that he was giving some people death powers, and how that'd turn out in the long run. Like I said above, he could have done something different when resurrecting Ulysses vs. Titania, but it doesn't mean that he knew what would happen.
(Obviously, this argument only makes sense if we assume that Ulysses and Titania were among the very first batch of resurrected. I personally think they were, but obviously it's not confirmed)
» The inner circle. From NtN
I could only trust the inner circle. My scientists, my engineer, my detective, my lawyer, my artist, my nun, my hedge fund manager. My diehards. The ones keeping the lights on.
Putting aside the fact that Lyctors exist the way they are because Tamsyn needed them to exist, and looking at the Canaan House necro/cav pairings from John's point of view: why not give ALL his friends magical powers? That's something I struggle to wrap my head around, for about half a dozen different reasons.
Mind, I don't think John picking and choosing who gets to be a necromancer is that far-fetched, but from a #character point I find it less likely than the alternative (he didn't do it on purpose but turned it to his own advantage). IF it turns out to be canon, I'd be really curious about what the watsonian reasoning for it, beyond "this needed to happen."
Most meta posts I've seen that take for granted John picked and chose his future necromancers ascribe him a level of foresight, knowledge, and long-term planning that I simply don't think he'd have had at the time (not to mention the mental lucidity). To quote HtN John again, "[he] had never been God" before. I truly think he was winging it at least 60% of the time.
#Anonymous#ask#tldr: I think it's possible this is the angle Taz is going with but I don't think it's a given with the elements we have so far#I think if it turns out to HAVE been intentional on John's part#it's gonna be one of these plot points that exists because the book needed them to exist and everything else took shape around it#like how everyone on the Ninth stopped making babies after Harrow was born although there was a whole generation of childbearing age#tlt thoughts#tlt theories#ejg#elle tlt posting#tlt
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Where are all the Audio Fiction Fandoms?
To be clear, this isn't me complaining, and I know, there are plenty of fandoms for audio fiction podcasts and the like.
But I have always found it weird how few shows get the big, self-sustaining kinds of fandoms, the ones where there's always at least a little trickle of fanfic and fanart. So weird, in fact, that I've been thinking about it on and off for the last 5-6 years, and I have a few theories I'd like to share with y'all as to why, and to see if I can't get some feedback from the audio fiction fans on Tumblr.
Theory 1: Audience Size
The first theory is mostly about demographics - fundamentally, a fandom has to be large enough to sustain itself, and only a certain number of audience members are going to become the kind of fans who make fan works, so ultimately, an audio fiction show needs to get popular enough before fan works start appearing.
There's plenty of support for this theory, of course - Welcome to Night Vale, Wolf 359, The Adventure Zone and The Magnus Archives are titans in the fiction podcast space, and indeed they have big fandoms. But, with that said, there's plenty of other podcasts that are just as big that don't have fandoms, so this can't explain it all.
Theory 2: Audience Distance
This one is similar to the first, but subtly different. A few creators in the space I've talked to have noted that they'd never make fan works of their friend's shows - that feels weird, like deliberately treading on their friend's work. They don't have this feeling when playing in big fandoms, or fandoms where they don't know the creator. This implies to me that fans need a certain level of distance from creators in order to feel comfortable playing with that fictional space. While this is less the case now with the fall of Twitter, a lot of shows, for better or worse, used social media as the primary pillar of their marketing, as well as using Patreons with special access as part of their monetization strategies.
In short, it's never been easier to get close to the creators of your favourite shows, and for smaller shows, the most exuberant fans - the kinds who might make fan works - are also the kinds of fans who will take those opportunities to get closer to the creators. In short, there just might not enough social distance for fans to be comfortable creating works, not at least until the audience grows sufficiently that a creator simply cannot be that close with their entire audience.
This theory I'm not so sure about these days - this one is probably a lot more dependent on the generation of fandom you belong to. Older generations of fandom are more likely to have this queasiness around creator closeness, because they were creating in a time where fandom was a shadow realm, desperately hidden from The Powers That Be, and "No Copyright Infringement Intended" was carved into fan works as an eldritch attempt at legal protection.
Theory 3: Audience Age
To be clear - there are fans of all ages out there. But it is clear to me that fandom trends young, and part of that is just the time needed to participate in fan culture - creating and consuming takes a lot of time, time that tends gets scarcer and scarcer as you get older (there are obvious exceptions of course - stay-at-home mothers have consistently been a major force in fandoms!). It's possible that audio fiction fans just tend to trend older, and thus don't have the time available to create and consume fan works.
Honestly, I'm not sure how relevant this one is - Audio fiction is becoming more popular with younger audiences and slowly shedding the "old fuddy-duddyness" that surrounded it when I was first getting into the space. And, ya know, there are audio fiction fandoms out there, so obviously either the youth aspect of fandom isn't a thing, or it is, but audio fiction audiences are still trending young anyway.
Theory 4: We're getting what we need!
A lot of academic discourse often focuses on the idea that fandoms create for a reason - and that reason is often to focus on parts of a fiction that the original text, for whatever reason, doesn't. The most obvious form of this is the many, many, many examples of ships and erotic fanfiction. You, as a fan, watch a show, see something between two characters, and get frustrated that the show isn't giving you more of that, won't make what is clearly obvious to you, explicit. So, you consume and/or create fan works that help relieve that tension instead.
Or, in shows where the focus is primarily on plot advancement or action, you feel a desire to get to know the characters better - you see the stirrings of these characters, you want to know them better, but the show just isn't the type of show to give you that slow, character-heavy scene/episode that you know would give you exactly what you need, so, again, you go consume and/or create fan works to fix that.
It's very possible that a lot of audio fiction is already built to give these sorts of fan audiences what they want. There's already romantic relationships, characters are openly queer, the nature of the audio medium means that character-heavy scenes are something that the medium directs creators towards, so there's already a lot of character engagement. So, for many fandoms, there just isn't much need to create fan works - there's no tension between what the show is and what it could be.
Theory 5: We can make our own at home!
One interesting theory is that one reason that people make fandom is because, fundamentally, the creators understand that they're not going to be making a film, or a TV show, or a book. They have creative urges, and they're not in a situation in life where they're likely to overcome the enormous barriers to entry in mainstream media, so, in combination with the stuff in theory 4, they play in other people's worlds instead. They know that there's already an audience who will consume their work (they're part of that fan community, after all!), so they can get that validation of creation without needing to create their own TV show or film or book, etc.
Podcasts, however, are different. Now, it's not true to say that podcasts have low barriers to entry - to create a podcast, there's a lot of skills you either need to learn yourself, or find collaborators with those skills. But, those barriers to entry are much lower than visual media. At the very least, audio production is significantly cheaper and less complicated for an equivalent runtime.
Better, podcasts have absurdly low barriers to publication - There are no gatekeepers to satisfy, no distributors you have to convince. Once your thing is made, pretty much no one can stop you from distributing that work. You don't even really need to pay for a podcast host - there's a few free podcast hosts now. So, once you've done the work, pretty much nothing stops you from publishing said work.
So... If you're a creative fan, who loved a show but thinks you can do better? Well, you can! You don't need to play in other people's spaces, you can be inspired by the podcasts you listen to to create your own original work, in the same medium and genre.
What do y'all think? Which of these feel right, which of these feel obviously wrong? Are you part of a audio fiction fandom? What does your fandom feel like to you on the inside? As a audio fiction creator, it's kinda hard for me to get into the inside of fandom culture, so insider perspectives would be super neat for me, so please reblog this to anyone you feel might have an interesting perspective on the whole thing!
#audio fiction#audio drama#podcasts#fiction podcasts#welcome to night vale#the magnus archives#tma#wtnv#podcast theory#fandom#audience feedback requested!#taz#the adventure zone#wolf 359#fandom meta#fandom culture
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to me, it always felt like Lucretia immediately recombining the reclaimed Grand Relics, starting with the Gauntlet, was a bit of a plot hole or at least a bad decision by someone who should've known better, because Lucretia had no guarantee that she'd be able to find and gather the remainder by the time the Hunger showed up...
...until I realized that to keep the rest of the Bureau safe from any undestroyed Relics' thrall, then Lucretia would have had to hide those Relics somewhere secluded. and, well, Lucretia quite literally remembers better than anyone what happened last time anyone set out, on their own, to hide the Relics starting with the Gauntlet
#taz#taz balance#lucretia taz#lup taaco#taz meta#taz balance spoilers#kind of building upon the (super likely imo) theory#that relics don't tempt people much if someone's already using them/thralled by them#and lucretia was *just* thralled enough - or at least committed to using - the bulwark staff that it was safe to be around#but presumably the same couldn't be said for anything left uncombined#did griffin actually think through it this much? idk#but regardless. it makes sense and also makes me sad which is the important part#you ever risk the fate of the entire world bc you're afraid of disappearing the same way your sister did...
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So I accidentally stumbled onto Aces Live Action Actor
Mmmmmm
Ok grand fleet
So I follow Iñaki on Insta and creeping in the comments of a post I happen to see this dude:
Haha Ace pic… cute
Awww he has curly hair like Iñaki….
But hold on…
So both the OP show runners and Iñaki follow him.
And oh? He only started posting Ace content recently.
So am I saying he’s Aces Live Action actor?
Yes I am, read the title.
#ace is being played by SOMEkid#one piece#one piece netflix#one piece live action#portgas d ace#luffy#iñaki godoy#anime#straw hats#theory#one piece theory#meme#incorrect one piece#taz skylar#mackenyu#emily rudd#jacob romero gibson#monkey d luffy#roanoa zoro#vinsmoke sanji#nami#usopp#tony tony chopper#jimbe#brook#nico robin#Eiichiro Oda#netfilx
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writers who are like "we have to subvert all expectations or else the story is too predictable and not marketable or whatever" are extra silly to me because like. have you SEEN how excited fandoms get when a popular fan theory is confirmed canon?
i'm currently thinking about the adventure zone fandom with the "taako has a twin" theory. i wasn't super active in the fandom at the time (iirc i started listening around suffering game or maybe 11th hour and had just recently caught up) but i remember when it was just a popular fan theory alongside "angus is a dragon" type theories. and just how excited everyone got when not only was the theory confirmed, but she got officially introduced and was an amazing character from the get-go
this has happened with other fandoms i've been in, too. like steven universe with the "garnet is a fusion" and "rose quartz is pink diamond" theories, or the owl house with the "emperor belos is phillip wittebane" and "hunter is a grimwalker" theories
fans love when their hard work analyzing stuff pays off
#eliot posts#taz#toh#su#looking up ''chalupa theory'' and having a walk down memory lane rn lol#though the ''lup is short for chaalupaa'' part of that got disproven lol#but so much of people's theories were spot-on#anyway i WAS typing up a post about how well-done lup's introduction scene was but i got distracted lolll#also i remember theorizing that lup was trapped in the umbrastaff after the episode when she became a lich#and one if my friends was like yeah idk if that's plausible like did you see what happened to edward#and then THAT got confirmed
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“are you more comfortable talking to us than you are to your own people?”
“i look at beef and emerich, and i say, ‘not all of them.’”
lot of Montrose Lore for Montrose Lore Enjoyers in this episode
#taz steeplechase#does kind of put paid to my theory that they’re all hardlight#but that was always a long shot#montrose pretty
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His name isn’t Montrose.
It can’t be. He throws himself into every role he can for the heist, slipping into the skin of a persona and settling in like its second nature. Names have been a long running TAZ theme, but Steeplechase has an extra layer to that. The idea of actors lost in their roles is intrinsically tied into the world of Dentonic. Roleplay within roleplay, and they keep making jokes about how many levels of acting they’re on, but how far does it go? Goodparty -because that’s the one truth I think he has- wears so many faces except his own, and I just cannot believe Montrose is any more real than the rest of them. Masks and names and roles. A world designed to perfection for escaping, hardlight blurring the lines of reality even further until they break. I think he’s lost himself in the performance.
#montrose pretty#taz#taz steeplechase#steeplechase#taz theory#the adventure zone#Like I don’t think this is a hot take#But I love so much the themes being incorporated into the current arc#Mmmmm literary analysis on dnd podcasts#something to nom on
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Ok I have GOT to know your thoughts on Steeplechase (specifically your Nanofather theories) before the next episode
okay so i went and reread over my massive Nanofather post (https://www.tumblr.com/somelittleplacebetweenthestars/717084698400129024/the-nanofather) after this episode to recap and god i was so right abt everything. also to be clear I haven’t gone to that level of analysis with the any of the Nanofsther stuff since then so there may be things i’m missing/forgetting BUT
My main theory at the end of that post was that the Nanofather is a hardlight preservation of Carmine Denton ala Walt Disney who is working with Kenchall Denton. I still mostly believe that! The key difference is that I think I got their relationship wrong — the Nanofather is not working WITH Kenchall but FOR Kenchall. Here’s my thinking:
In the episode where Poppy’s Angels got dropped in New Kidadelphia (or somewhere near it) Kenchall Denton talks to Emerich abt how even the most advanced hardlight tech Emerich has seen is nothing compared to what’s “going on up top” — specifically, the conversation was in relation to the hardlight copy of Gravel aka the realistic representation of people in hardlight. Under that specific context it means it is ENTIRELY possible that they have figured out a way to upload a person into a hardlight projection — the ultimate way of imitating a real person.
Now, the reason I no longer think that the Nanofather is working WITH Kenchall but FOR him is that he asked Poppy’s Angels to come find him when he was inhabiting the body of Geltfrimpen, presumably to reconstruct him from the “shattered” state he was in. Asking the Angels to do this rather than trust in Kenchall implies that Kenchall does not plan to restore him or benefits from him being shattered i.e. weakened.
HOWEVER it is possible that the Nanofather engineered Kenchall sending the Angels to Kidadelphia specifically so they could come find and help him — either for the Nanofather’s benefit or the benefit of Kenchall’s plan. I do think his ultimate goal is to be reconstructed into the one (possibly hardlight) body, but from there it could go either way! He is a Denton, so he could easily immediately begin gunning to take over the park in much the same way Kenchall is. Or he could Willy Wonka it and try to pass on ownership to the Angel’s
Either way I think we’re about to find out!
Now, what I’m REALLY thinking about is what the fuck is going on with Krystal w a K ……..
#the nanofather#taz#the adventure zone#steeplechase#taz spoilers#taz steeplechase#montrose pretty#emerich dreadway#beef punchley#theory posting
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What I'm about to say is out there of an idea but since the finale is just in two days, I'm calling it now: What if Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry was Devon Denton?
Devon Denton is next in line after Evelyn for taking ownership of Steeplechase, and Kenchall is frustrated because of this.
Later on, we find out Kenchall was behind his murder and the framing of Gravel as the prime suspect. But why Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry specifically?
Well, Justin has stated that Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry NEVER broke character. Maybe Devon created this character as a disguise from guests at the park, and the only one who knew about this was the other members of the Denton family since he's a well known mascot to Ustaben.
In Ep. 31, Kenchall states to Poppy's Angels that he took care of Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry due to "cleaning up loose ends." He follows up with this:
"I mean, this is not…let’s see, Paul Pantry, yes, killed. But if it makes you feel any better, he was blackmailing you. And that is— I just think that there’s nothing worse than a blackmailer. You know? So, that he kind of had coming to him."
I find it funny how Kenchall tries to justify his action of killing Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry by saying he was a blackmailer, meanwhile HE is over here in Steeplechase being a backstabber, replacing human employees with hardlight constructs of themselves, tossing people who refuse to help him by placing them in Kiddiedelphia, and has no remorse with pointing a gun at Poppy's Angels in Glensville. What a guy.
Anyway, he also says the following:
"What I’m saying is that I’m not sabotaging you. I am cleaning
up after you."
"But you have to understand that this is what I do. I look for inefficiencies. I look for— pardon me, and I don’t mean to be offensive, but sloppiness. And I try to correct that, to make the loose ends go away."
This term "sloppiness" is interesting. And we know about Kenchall's disdain towards Devon, calling him a "dipshit." So it would make sense that in order to get to the top of the line for ownership of the park, Kenchall took care of getting Devon out of the picture, or in this case, Sticky Fingers Paul Pantry.
Again, this is only just a random theory I'm tossing out there before the series is over...
#i mean we've only heard about Evelyn and Devon#neither of which has shown up in the story#so this may be true#or maybe devon is someone else entirely#or this theory may be inconsequential#only one way to find out if this is true!#and that's to listen to the FINAL EPISODE!#taz steeplechase#the adventure zone
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The nanofather talks about herbs and spices an awful lot. Like. He's talking about this stew at some point so it could be related but like.
Ep 12: If you’re buying nano-nutmeg, buy the whole one. Grind it yourself… The taste is so much fresher. … Oh, a tale, you say? Well… perhaps the nutmeg can wait.
Ep 19: You will find it… in the pyre… I’m certain of it. It was pepperoni and green pepper…
Ep 22: The greater danger is hesitation, yes… I will add one more half-teaspoon of cumin, Shoeckles. Thank you, Shoeckles, I… should listen to your culinary acumen more.
Ep 29: No, no, no, that is… the cilantro… Yes, in the UK, they call it, they call the leaves ‘coriander’ and the seeds. I don’t know why we… I don’t know why we do it the way we do. I wish that I’d learn, with age.
This could mean something. I'm not sure what! The lore implications are there. But really, I think most likely is that Justin records with a spice rack within view.
#or maybe he does it right after cooking dinner lol#taz steeplechase#sierra speaks#taz nanofather#nanofather#BTW EXPECT A HUUUUUGE NANOFATHER THEORY POST SOON#I AM RED STRING BOARDING AS WE SPEAK
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haven’t been able to stop thinking about urchin and his good friend dillon actually
Griffin (as Kodira): Oh - oh fuck no. I'm coming, I am coming with y'all this time.
Travis (as Devo): So we're leaving...
Justin: Ah... there, there - I know who's gonna be the capi-tan. (As Amber) Urcho? What d'you think, bud?
Clint: Oh, field promotion!
Amber: You're gettin' the call up!
Griffin (as Urchin): Yeah, man, we can take care of it!
Devo: Wait, who's we?
Amber: We? (wheezes) Sorry - have you adopted the royal, sorta, pronoun, or...?
Devo: The captain's "we?"
Urchin: Nah, me - me and Dillon can handle it.
Devo: Who's Dillon?!
Amber: Sorry?
Griffin: Um, from - from deeper in the ship, the door to the bridge opens up, and you all see... just this skeezy wastoid of a dude walk in, is like, "Hey what's up? What's goin' on?"
Amber: Sorry, who are you?!
Devo: Who is Dillon?!
Urchin: This is my friend Dillon.
(Justin and Clint laugh)
Devo: Urchin, you brought a friend?
Justin: This is simultaneously extremely surprising, and not surprising, that Urchin has just like a wastoid, skeevy friend. (Laughter)
Griffin (as Dillon): What'ddya need? You need someone to drive it?
Amber and Devo: No!
Amber: Dillon! No - what the fuck?!
Urchin: Wha - Urch, Urchin can't have friends?!
Amber: Yeah, but like, how did he come over?!
Urchin: I invited him, for sleepover.
Devo (over Justin's laughter): You have to ask us first! You have to ask us!
Urchin: You didn't ask me to bring this fuckin' cop on board.
Devo: We are, we are senior officers, Urchin!
Urchin: I mean, but it seems like you need some -
Amber: Alright, you shut - hey. You shut up for a second.
Urchin: That's fair.
Amber: Dillion.
Dillon: Yo.
Amber, wheezing: D'you - have you ever - do you have any experience piloting a watercraft?
Dillon: I mean, I was a... I was a lieutenant with the Ironwels for a minute, but like, it wasn't me...
Devo: Wait, really?
Dillon: Yeah, it wasn't - that wasn't me, though. You know?
Amber: But it was you?
Dillon: I mean, yeah, in another life.
Amber: Okay. That's all. Thank you. That's all - that's all I needed to hear. Alright. I think they got it! (Laughing) I trust - I trust - I got a good read on people, except for when I'm wrong, and I got a real good vibe on Dillon.
#taz#taz ethersea#devo la main#urchin#amber gris#the adventure zone#dillon#my hot theory is that griffin made dillon bc the boys said urchin was becoming really helpful. had to take em down a notch#LOL
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in a way I think we're all fungalore, hearing wishes but unable (or unwilling- it's really not clear) to fulfill them
#heard chef#20fungalore#he heard your wish#also this is tangential and possibly heretical#but id like to see more fungalore fan art#i noticed the main archetypes were either merle or taako based which i love but hear me out#magnus burnsides inspired fungalore#mbmbam#taz balance#voidfish fungalore?#i know we aren't supposed to imagine him or give him power but hes a tantalizing little emergent property#like did the mcelroys conjur a demi-tulpa in the naming of the year ceremony?#like swiss cheese theory but for the divine forge#my posts
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Anyway her INSANELY ACCURATE 5am theory about Lup being in the umbrella kinda reminds me of my 3am theory about River being the one in the spacesuit 😂
I was convinced the whole season that it was Amy and Rory’s daughter, since I was assuming (correctly) that that’s who we saw in the suit in 1969, but something briefly clicked in my head and I realized I already had a theory that the person River had killed was the Doctor, and he recognized the person in the spacesuit, so it would line up. I dismissed it pretty quickly because the River on the beach clearly didn’t remember it, but still! (And then I followed it up by reaffirming my belief that it was Amy and Rory’s daughter, not realizing that BOTH theories were right lmao)
#middle of the night theories best theories!!!#taz balance#lup#taz spoilers#taz balance spoilers#(tagging that since this is going in the dw tag too)#doctor who#river song#doctor who spoilers#the saga of my ipre backpack#captainswan618 talks too much
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New Steeplechase theory: Montrose Pretty is a former Steepy that went TOO Far and got banned from the park so he changed his identity and put on a mask and applied for a job there
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