I find it interesting how Jackie and Donna were blind to Kelso and Casey’s faults whereas for the most part, both girls aren’t afraid to call Hyde and Eric out on their fuck ups. Shows a lot about the influence the Kelso’s have on Burkciotti.

Legit the worst thing I can think of that Donna did to Jackie was being unsupportive of her relationship with Hyde. And she got over that a few EPISODES later. Jackie, on the other hand, calls her a ‘big red whore’, insults her height, etc.

I think because Donna is a hated character (which I don’t get? Just because she doesn’t take any bullshit doesn’t mean she’s mean), they’re looking past her amazing loyalty. Jackie is absolutely downright insulting to Donna. She’s constantly pointing out Donna’s insecurities, calling her a “lumberjack”— which is so insulting! Just because Donna likes casual clothes and is tall doesn’t make her a lumberjack. And like you mentioned, Jackie called her a whore. Jackie also continually insulted Eric as well, which Donna protested against numerous times.

I’m sorry, but if my friend insulted me by pointing out my insecurities, and insulted my boyfriend constantly, I wouldn’t be friends with her!

Donna was pretty mean to Jackie in s8, from what I’ve read. I, admittedly, have never seen s8. But I’ve seen video essays on how Donna’s character was totally annihilated, bringing down with it her amazing friendship with Jackie. One of the things I love most about Donna is her loyalty and quickness to forgive; because, like I said above, I wouldn’t stay friends with Jackie.

Word vomit here but thinking abt like y'know how Lee is Extra and Eccentric and Lavish and all that and I mean ofc he likes all that otherwise he wouldn't indulge in it but also what if it's also fuelled by a desire to make his mark and be his own person, 'cause like he was an orphan boy on the streets so he would already have experienced a kind of loss of individualism back then, but then also when he was adopted he was adopted solely to serve as a rival to Kazuya, like that's gotta fuck you up, your existence in your household and everything you do is to be compared to your brother, if you do well in school it isn't 'Well done, Lee!', it's 'Get your act together Kazuya, Lee's performing better than you', if you perform exceptionally in training it's 'Kazuya you're becoming sloppy', you are not your own person you are just an extension of your brother, and so maybe he buys the big mansions and gets the fast cars and dresses loudly and sparkly and emblazons everything with unicorns and roses and purple because these things are 100% hIM, these are solely part of him and who HE is, you see him and you see his things and you will think of Lee Chaolan before you think of anyone else

Were you watching that 70s show when it was premiering on tv? I ask because I wonder what the audience reception was to Jackie and Hyde getting together in season 5. Was it excitement or confusion etc. I know by the end of the show their relationship was a favorite amongst fans but was it that way from the beginning?

I did watch T7S when it originally aired. I also, many years later, became co-moderator of Fan Forum's recently-closed T7S message board, which was active very early into T7S's original run.

My interest in T7S waned a bit in S4, but once I saw the promo for "Going to California" (5x01), I was super excited. I shipped J/H hard, and "Jackie Bags Hyde" (3x08) ended their arc as far as anyone knew. The show became a must-watch for me, and my friends knew not to call me during that half-hour. 😅

People on the T7S message board had shipped J/H from season 1 (I started shipping after seeing "Kelso's Serenade" in season 2). The original ship name for J/H was *Hide (Hyde) and Seek* before the episode "Catfight Club" (S2), which is such a significant episode for J/H's development, provided *Zenmasters*.

When promos for "Going to California" aired, fandom went crazy with happiness. A lot of J/H fics had already been written in the years before season 5. So, yeah, J/H was shipped almost from the beginning of T7S by a lot of fans.

Then a shipping war started between Eric/Donna shippers and J/H shippers (like, what?!). Seems to have stemmed originally from E/D fans not understanding or liking how much fandom focus there was on J/H once they were finally together in S5 -- and J/H fans essentially shoving that fact in their face. Arguments ensued about which couple was better (by what standards?), etc.

Unfortunately, a good portion of active online J/H fans at the time (remember, this was twenty years ago) were a mean-spirited bunch (egged on by one person in particular who purposely went against Fan Forum rules and was, quite frankly, abusive to the T7S moderators who tried to moderate and keep the peace).

After getting fed-up with feeling controlled by the mods who had to enforce the site's rules (but they did so diplomatically, not like despots), this group of J/H fans migrated to a different message board on Fan Forum solely dedicated to J/H. But the leader of this group continued to break the site's rules, ignored all warnings from that board's moderators and was suspended -- then, eventually, banned -- for continuing inappropriate behavior.

Meanwhile, Eric/Donna shippers felt relieved the hostility had stopped and could enjoy talking about their ship in peace.

I'm very glad I joined the fandom years after that unpleasantness was over. I became friends with people who were on the receiving end of the J/H fans' hostility (and some of the verbally-attacked people shipped J/H hard, too!), and they shared what they'd experienced.

Then (once I became a moderator myself), I read through all -- and I mean all -- the posts ever written on the T7S board and the J/H board, which allowed me to witness what the online T7S fandom was like from the start and how it evolved, devolved, and evolved again.

I discovered lots of links to fansites and fanfic sites dedicated solely to T7S fic in general and J/H fic specifically, and these gave me more insight to the early fandom (thank you, Internet Wayback Machine). It was very J/H-centric.

Sadly, a lot of the T7S stories were lost when the people running the fanfic archives shut them down due to a lack of time. FFnet existed then, where a portion of these stories were posted afterward. If AO3 had existed back then, too, these archives of now-lost T7S fic could have migrated there.

To sum up, Jackie/Hyde fans have been the most actively involved and creative (writing fanfic, making art, . gifs, wallpapers, icons, and so on) from pretty much the get-go. That's not to say fans didn't discuss other T7S ships, but the J/H thread on Fan Forum, for example, reached the site's three-hundred post limit faster and more often than any other ship or character thread -- meaning hundreds of three-hundred post J/H threads are archived on the board.

J/H was also big on LiveJournal during T7S's original run and afterward for a few years. Fanfic was posted there, many special T7S *mood* .gifs were made for people to, well, declare their mood on any given post or day. A very cool and funny T7S RPG was conducted there, too, with all the main characters.

During season 8, a campaign was conducted by the J/H fandom, asking the producers to put J/H back together by the end of the series. This campaign consisted of hundreds of letters in a packet brought to a S8 taping by one of the T7S board's moderators. She brought the letters to someone working on the show, and that person said (I'm paraphrasing), "Jackie and Hyde are done. Nothing will change that.")

Also during season 8 tapings, the audience would boo whenever Samantha went on stage (or on set) for a scene. The audience was full of Zennies, who were told to stop booing or they'd be kicked out.

But the producers got the picture and wrote Samantha off the show, which wasn't the original plan. Sam was supposed to be S8!Hyde's endgame. Just like Jackie was S7!Hyde's endgame until Fox ordered another season halfway through S7's production and episodes were already airing, and the scripts -- including the original series finale -- had been written.

A lot of rewriting happened after S8 was greenlit. J/H weren't supposed to reconcile at all until the end, where Jackie spills her heart out to Hyde about her job opportunity in Chicago and that she'd give it up because being with him is the most important thing to her.

He lets her go (and I have no clue if it was the same way or reason as we see on the show: was it a fear of commitment on his part as the episode portrays it, or was it more in line with "On With the Show," where Hyde puts his own needs aside so Jackie can have her very important moment of confidence in her independence -- one of, if not *the,* most in-character moments for Hyde in S7).

But Hyde realizes he wants Jackie in his life forever, drives to Chicago, and proposes to her in the motel room. No towel-wrapped Kelso to disrupt it. That was J/H's originally written endgame. They get their happy ending.

I’m writing the next batch of comics, and Fez says in the episode “Rip This Joint” (7x06):

(...) I don’t want to wake up in twenty years and realize this was all a dream. Wouldn’t that be weird, if none of this was real? Okay, now I’m starting to freak out a little!

This is a very Those ‘70s Comics type of line, very meta, but it’s in the show. One can also apply it to That ‘90s Show.

So, yes, Fez, in twenty years you will dream a strange future for yourself and your friends. Then you’ll wake up back to your fictional reality where Betsy exists and Kelso and Brooke are married, Eric and Donna are married with a young child, and Jackie and Hyde are married, also with a young child.

And you, dearest Fez, are married to Rhonda Tate. The love of your life. You run a chocolate and candy shop together, and your two kids think their parents have the best job ever. 

For the character ask meme, can u do kazuya (ofc) and questions 1, 2, and 23?

SORRY I TOOK SO LONG

1. Why do you like or dislike this character?

Fucker came into my life right after The Great Dam Yakuza Era and lemme tell you it was love at first smash trailer's bare tits. He's a also h. ... h. He's h.

Then it was like. if you actually stop and try to take tekken's story seriously and think about him for more than 5 seconds, you realize how much of a tragic figure he is, both in-universe and in a meta way. The first thing we know about him is that his father threw him off a cliff when he was fucking 5 YEARS OLD, his desire for revenge is justified as fuck. Then he becomes a neat subversion of the typical hero-type when he turns into a bigger villain than the one he defeated, but pre-retcon, its the result of a deal he made with the devil because of the fact that his father threw him off that damn cliff and he was about to die, so its unclear just how evil on his own he was because he HAS been altered in some way by an external force (which is still kinda true post-retcon with the devil gene), and that tragedy comes from that grey area, from the "What Could Have Been?". Its not made any better by the fact that this forever unsolved question is supported by the entire character of jun (and angel), theres the tease that THERE IS something to save in kazuya, but that failed. More tragedy. And his T2 theme, "emotionless passion", is a beautiful piece of music thats just dripping with melancholy. Then he becomes tragic in a more meta way, as it becomes obvious with each new installment that hes a very tricky character to handle so he is always relegated to the bench, never the focus, he has to make way for new characters to grab the players' attention, new relatives. He's sooo interesting and secretly complex and his hair is so stupid

He's also hot and handsome as fuck.

2. Favorite canon thing about this character?

I LOVE THAT HE SMILES A LOT yeah I know its more of an evil smirk but idk its charming. I also love how he flashes his red eye for dramatic moments, making good use of that cool edgy heterochromia. The whole sneakers collection thing is fucking peak, this is how you humanize a character, I am SO glad they brought it back. The whole sequence of him finally killing heihachi in T7 was the best fucking part of this game. He canonically pays a robot 25$ a month.

23. Favorite picture of this character?

I spend hours trying to pick just one fuck this youre getting all 10

Pol Tarres llevará la Yamaha Ténéré 700 al desafiante Red Bull Erzbergrodeo

Pol Tarres estrenó la nueva Yamaha Ténéré 700 de rally raid en el Tunisia Desert Challenge, donde compartió equipo con Alessandro Botturi, campeón de la carrera en el debut del nuevo equipo oficial de Yamaha en alta cilindrada. Ahora Tarres tendrá un desafío que podría ser mayor, con una moto similar, ya que ha inscrito una Yamaha Ténéré 700 en el Red Bull Ezbergrodeo en Austria, una de las competencias de Hare Scramble Enduro más desafiantes del mundo.

Enfrentando a la montaña con una moto de alta cilindrada será uno de los mayores desafíos que Pol Tarres ha enfrentado con una Ténéré y si alguien tiene experiencia en hacer cosas inesperadas con esa moto es precisamente este piloto español. Para ayudarlo a enfrentar mejor esta difícil carrera con una moto bastante grande y pesada, el preparador Manuel Lucchese ha logrado reducir hasta 20 kilos el peso de la moto. Según Lucchese, que también está a cargo del Yamaha World Rally Raid Team que integran Tarres y Botturi en el rally cross country, esta es la mejor moto de aventura para una prueba de Enduro.

“ES OFICIAL 🤯 Red Bull Erzbergrodeo, allí vamos 💣 No tengo palabras para describir mis sentimientos, pero estaré en Erzberg con mi Ténéré 700 🤯 Probablemente será el desafío más difícil que tendré con mi T7, no será fácil, pero lucharé hasta el último segundo va de carrera para poner la moto en meta 🙏🏻 Gracias a mi equipo y a toda la gente que me apoya en este tipo de locuras ❤️” comentó Tarres en sus redes sociales.

El Red Bull Ezbergrodeo se realizará entre el 16 y 19 de junio en Austria.

Imágenes: Pol Tarres

Not you. But seems like the T7S fandom has become really miserable. Like I only see constant complaining about about the writers choices. It almost seems like the fans are haters who pretend to be fans. I'm sorry, but I can't fathom repeating everything I hate about a show.

And don't get me started on the shippers. Look, you win some, you lose some. Not all your ships can be canon.

I agree, anon. I’m here to talk about the show(s)and the characters I love, and I like to surround myself with others who feel the same way and want to have the same types of discussions. The good news is, I’ve found that is a vast majority of the (tiny but mighty) fandom. There are still dozens of us who are writing fan fiction, analyzing the characters via essays and metas, making fan art celebrating our favorite moments and characters, etc. Sure there are a few loud, repetitive voices who like to complain (aren’t there always???) and try to spread their misery, but I’ve found that carefully curating my dashboard so I don’t follow those folks or come across their posts very often has made my fan experience on tumblr so much better. I highly suggest that you do the same. 🤷🏼‍♀️

This fandom has a… unique take on the term ‘canon’. It has since long before the controversial That ‘90s Show existed. There are lots of folks who choose to ignore parts of the show, for ‘shipping reasons and others. There are also a variety of passionate ‘shippers in the community, some canon and some not, especially as of late. But despite our differing opinions, the vast majority of us have managed to have respectful, dare I say fun, discussions about the show we all care about for years. Decades, even! And it’s pretty easy in my experience to filter out those who can’t.

god that last video made me so nostalgic for climbing to Legend in Hearthstone and Mythic in MTG Arena. at a certain point you get so in tune with your own deck and the other meta decks that every game becomes a tightly choreographed dance. Hearthstone was arguably better for this since the mana system guarantees that you curve out every game. i can still play a game with Hybrid Hunter circa 2016ish if i close my eyes. t1 leper gnome. t2 glaivezooka to buff the gnome to a 3/1, hit face with the gnome and use the zooka charge to kill their 1drop. t3 play the second gnome and hero power. t4 play piloted shredder and trade to protect it. t5 eaglehorn bow + freezing trap. t6 savannah highmane. t7 hit face with highmane, game is over, gg ez no re.

MTG was similar but most of my memories there involve either throwing a cat into an oven 3x per turn or this specific play sequence:

1. bring back Mayhem Devil with Call of the Death-Dweller to give it deathtouch and lifelink

2. crack the Fabled Passage i played 3 turns earlier and sat on for this exact reason, point the Mayhem Devil's 1-damage-ping-with-deathtouch at their 7/7 dude with All That Glitters on it to kill it

3. they respond by sacrificing Alseid of Life's Bounty to give their dude protection from red or black

4. i cackle maniacally as Mayhem Devil sees this sacrifice and puts another instakill ping on top of the Alseid's sacrifice trigger on the stack, pointed at the same creature, meaning they just paid {1} to sacrifice a creature for no reason on top of losing their biggest creature

5. they shame concede, leaving with a valuable lesson about Reading The Card

I came into T7 long after the Dragunov meta ended but he was one of my favorite characters to mess with when I first started playing. Really excited to see what he's like in the new one.

I love Donna and Jackie, but it irks me how sometimes they call women ‘sluts’ ‘skanks’ and ‘whores’. I feel like since it was the ‘70s, they grew up with a more outdated view on sexuality.

like im sure youll be able to play it exactly like t7 and win evos it just opens up more support for more aggressive playstyles due to the impact pakistani players had vs the defensive korean meta the game has been being designed around for centuries

Some post episode late night thoughts on Zelda and what she faced in the time pocket

cw - mentions of self harm, suicidality/death

I keep trying to figure out what Zelda’s dilemma and what the lesson she learned/was supposed to learn was, but everything I can come up with becomes more…self-harming than helpful. Closer to Danielle instead of Antiope or Katja, in the sense that she caved into her nightmare rather than fought against it. 

All we know of Zelda's scenario is that she was drenched in the blood of herselves, surrounded by her own bodies, both dead and alive as versions of her scream and play death metal behind her on stage. Doesn’t…seem very productive. I keep seeing this as her falling into the “bad end” version of the trial because Zelda is already so self deprecating, as seen with her line to Sam in an earlier episode, “Nothing you could say to me is worse that things I’ve said to myself.” She’s also mentioned that it’s not healthy that she doesn’t have that middle ground between 0 and 60 and will resort to dealing with strong negative emotions by grabbing her sword and going into a rage.

So that combined…? It very clearly appears to me that she is…hurting herself. She has so much self hatred and low self esteem that she literally kills herself. Over and over again. 

But where Antiope killing (a version of) herself was good, it doesn’t seem that way for Zelda. Antiope isn’t self deprecating. Zelda is. Antiope’s alter self was someone who actively hurt people and was trying to get current Antiope to follow her footsteps. As far as we know about the other Zeldas, they could just be her. With Katja, she is able to look at the sadness and pain she deals with and accept it, finding peace and solace within herself despite the loneliness. Zelda deals with her pain and rage by killing herself again and again.

The only good thing I can think about her scene potentially being is maybe the other Zeldas talking to her in the way she already talks to herself and being upset and killing them for being mean to her. A way of cathartically destroying your intrusive thoughts. But also…? the imagery in that scene did not seem Good. The imagery of a girl covered in her own blood as versions of herself scream intelligibly as she cuts down more and more versions of herself. I know she uses metal music as a way of calming down but... well, I don’t have to keep harping on about how the imagery and appearance of the scene screams more “traumatizing” and less “cathartic and calming”. 

Thinking abt the Mishima household when Kazuya and Lee were growing up like imagine your father kills your mother then throws you off a cliff and you haul yourself back up and vow to kill him but you're too weak rn and you still live under his roof and are still his son and he trains you ruthlessly and you're thirteen and burning with hatred too big for your barely-teen body and then he adopts a boy close to your age and it's clear what he's doing this boy is only here to threaten your status as heir to the Zaibatsu this boy isn't even given the Mishima family name and your father (and you) call him by his surname because although he learns the fighting style and learns the business he'll never be Heihachi's blood son, and by all accounts you shouldn't hate him it's not his fault he was adopted but you do hate him and he quickly realises what kind of household he lives in now and he grows to hate you too but neither of you hate the other as much as you hate your father and so maybe sometimes you'll smoke together after having bloodied your knuckles from beating each other bruised in training because beneath the rivalry and resentment is someone who gets it, who knows what it's like living on these grounds, who you don't need to keep up false pretences for because the shadow looming over the two of you is the same

Turns out Crowley doesn't quite understand human kissing. His lips land on the space between Aziraphale's bottom lip and chin while Aziraphale's lips push against the space between Crowley's upper lip and nose.

In the show, one can't actually tell because of the editing and cuts between different angles. Also, the shape of the space between Aziraphale's lips and chin adds to the illusion. As much as screenshots and .gifs are a blessing, they're also a curse. 😅

All that being said, in-GO!universe, their lips are touching. In reality, not so much. That's acting for ya. 🌈

*Screenshot by @locklylenerd77, who wrote an insightful analysis of Crowley's intentions for and feelings during the kiss.

As requested by @hydesjackiespuddinpop

Tell Me About Your OTP

I've written a lot of metas about Jackie and Hyde over the years (a sampling):

And many more that can be found here (on my meta master list page).

I'm a firm believer that canon stems from character consistency as well as growth and change that is grounded (or set up) properly in storytelling. Writers for a show can and will force characters to act against their long-established natures to fit a plot idea, and T7S unfortunately does this a lot with J/H in particular during the last part of S5, beginning of S6, and too much of S7.

I can't and don't consider canon the choices, actions, and feelings that inherently and significantly contradict previous years of consistent character building -- not without a carefully written storyline that substantiates those changes from the core of the characters. Just because people who write for the show put out-of-character episodes or scenes onscreen doesn't make that writing canon.

If X character is firmly established as someone who would never do Y, but that character does Y onscreen because a show writer decided to make it so ... that's bad writing and breaks the fictional dream. In novels, an editor would (hopefully 😅) catch such an error and tell the author to revise.

I've seen plenty of non-canonical writing disrupt or even wreck otherwise consistently (well-) written shows. It's frustrating.

I've made a few comics where the T7S characters react to the OOC actions their show counterparts were forced into. Those were fun. ☺️

I've also read plenty of T7S fanfic where the authors write the characters in a far more canonical way than the T7S writers eventually did.

What we see onscreen doesn't automatically make a plotline or character development canon. Story elements must not break the fictional dream. If they do in an episode (or season) that airs on TV (or streaming service), then it's a non-canonical episode as far as I'm concerned, and I dismiss it; otherwise the internal cohesion of the fictional universe unravels. Only by embracing cognitive dissonance and not engaging in critical thinking can one accept all the contradictions as being canon.