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I am having thoughts about the final fight scene and how everyone was split up. John is left in the underground well where it is darker than above and he kills the monster. @wigglebox mentioned in their nycc write up that John took to killing the monster very easily. Up above on the otherhand you have Mary, Carlos and Lata work as a team to exorcise the demon out of Ada and save her life.
There's something about John descending to a lonesome fight after Mary left as opposed to the teamwork happening above him. Also he is linked to killing whereas the others are saving someone. I'm not quite sure what to make of this except for foreshadowing of where John ends up in SPN but it would not leave my mind.
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Winchesters 1x1 Bullet Point Rambles
Poofs back into the real world again - WE'RE BACK! Hi ya'll!
I LOVE seeing all the Robbie Thompson credits in the beginning! Just gonna cry in your faces. I'm so happy for him.
And DEAN!!! We thought we were ready, but we were not.
Excellent Indiana Jones scene at the start
Loving the John and Mary dynamic. Also now I want candy.
John’s mom is a stone cold hottie, you guys
“Library? What are we doing here?” SO HAPPY TO HAVE LIBRARIES BACK
John’s having some hard core PTSD visions. He thinks he’s haunted (weeping)
“So, is breaking and entering a big part of hunting?” “Who’s breaking?” LOL
You can’t kill demons - Boris: just wait. Your second son will figure it out
Oh hey I’m adoring Carlos! AH-doring. What a great entrance!
Boris: He comes in like a hurricane
“There are no secrets in the Campbell family 😬
Carlos and Lata are super cute
"Paranormal freemasons." Love it. Highly accurate
“She’s really a lot meaner when you get to know her.” #goals
Mary’s just trying to shove everyone back outta hunting! Worth a try, Mary
The only thing worse than the beginning of a hunter is how they end. We KNOW TOO MUCH
Bonding in a cemetery. Who HASN'T done this?
Mary intends to leave hunting behind once she finds her dad. She just wants to live her life! (ouch)
Side note: Remember when it took sam and dean like 16 episodes to find their dad?
I love the creepy underground cemetery complex. Is it a minotaur??? (It’s a loup-garou and it means business.)
DAMN John just pulled out his friend's silver necklace from his arm. Reckless and over the top from day one
Mary emerging from that tunnel thing = truth coming out of her well dot gif
Ooo I like the magic monster catching box. Very ghostbusters.
John and his mom have a reckoning. “You’re mad at me? I’m the one who stayed.”
Oh hey! It’s Henry Winchester’s ACTUAL VOICE! omg nice casting
“Saving people, hunting things - I was born to do this” - STAHP (don’t stop)
We wonder if John’s mom was still alive when John died, since he wasn’t that old.
Ada fills John in on what she knows about his dad...but all the Men of Letters she knew disappeared 15 years ago. PHEW I love that we get to play with this lore, and that it wasn't that long ago.
Akrida is an invading creature from another dimension? (Dean voice) Are there tentacles?
Oh it’s Mary Winchester’s merry band! Love the tune playing this episode out.
LOOK AT DEAN! He’ll keep picking the music. The samulet’s hanging from the rearview… Green cooler in the back. Yes, all my stuff is back in its proper place.
We're on board :)
#spnwin spoilers#spnwin 1x01#pilot#spnwin season 1#spnwin thoughts#john winchester#carlos#latika#ada monroe#dean winchester#the winchesters#mary campbell
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everything we are…is because of chuck
could so have this line in spnwin but with cupid “everything we are is a lie/bc of cupid etc”
i am 99.99999999% sure it woulda triggered an existential crisis in alt mary n john and i loooove it
the drama of choosing to last beyond limerence is always chef’s kiss and a microcosm of every real relationship
my money’s on alt john being the one in crisis bc mary already got a glimpse of the universe’s complexity
#spnwin thoughts#the cupid 💘 stuff would be a temporary limerance that wore off in my head#something that did major damage…not strengthened#angels can’t parse emotions and i can totally see them viewing a normal productive fight as a disaster and pulling the trigger on the arrow#oof let me write season 2
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Did Cas got out of The Empty the first time by facing his fears?
I know what you hate who you love your fears there’s nothing for you back there etc
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They, they unfridged Mary. They preemptively unfridged her. This Mary. They had her be the heroine of her own show and they gave her the freedom to tell her own story and they gave her the tools she needs -- the Colt and the right information -- to protect herself, and they gave her an entire AU to explore and to live out her life in, and they didn’t tether her to any preexisting narrative to which she is only the backstory, and. And. She can do what she wants. She doesn’t have to die in the nursery in eleven years. They gave her the keys to escape the narrative. She’s free.
#it's just hitting me#that that's what they did#Mary Campbell#Mary Winchester#spnwin#spnwin spoilers#spnwin 1x13#my thoughts
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Robbie, i freaking love you dude [X]
#they really thought it all through#i love that he made sure that just in case they still gave us all the answers since cw is being a bitch#spnwin spoilers#i need s2 bc sir WHAT ELSE ARE YOU PLANNING
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I have a few thoughts about the Winchesters finale, and though I wasn’t gonna weigh in on this, it turns out I needed to write this down to get it out of my head, so here we go.
I understand that Misha was approached to be included on the show and that there was a “scheduling conflict” that included multiple conversations with Jensen. Here’s my interpretation of that:
I believe Cas was supposed to make a cameo in episode 13 to tee up the confession resolution—this was always the episode where they were going to crack open the “surprise twist” even before learning they would only get 13 episodes total. In the original scenario, episode 13 would have been the hellatus episode rather than a finale, leaving room for everything to come to a head with episode 22 instead. It’s then they would have given us the actual Dean and Cas reunion. This would have wrapped both stories nicely with each group going off into their own respective sunsets—their own happy endings, while still leaving all the room for the new crew to explore more seasons; all along, we see, The Winchesters was about Dean and Cas as much as it was about Mary and John.
When they didn’t get the back half of the season picked up, I assume they feared it would be more dangerous to show a Cas cameo without getting to address the confession, so Misha likely opted to be left out instead. With the only hint to Cas being Dean’s line that he was looking for his family when he found the Akrida, then directly drawing the parallel that Jack and Bobby were “family.” The core crew for Dean has always been Bobby, Sam, Jack, AND Cas. And he wasn’t looking for Sam because he was still on earth. So who’s left? You might be compelled to believe he was window shopping AU versions of his parents, but he confirms he ran into the Akrida in this world and then sought to interfere with the order by approaching John in an effort to prevent it from spreading to Sam's world. (Why Cas would be AU hopping, idk. The boy is really afraid of being shot down, I guess.)
It goes far to explain the vast narrative parallels we saw reflected in the Monster Club crew if it was intended as a setup for the confession payoff. It honestly doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise. There’s no reason these people should be living Dean's experiences and regrets every episode unless the writers wanted the viewer to be thinking about the lessons and resolutions in how they relate to Dean too.
Additionally, as this has been a largely uncontested take, this is Jensen's well-funded fanfic come to life. Complete with the embracing of many of our favorite fanfic tropes and emphasized by Dean’s own words throughout the season. Because this is an obvious embrace of that “write your own story” fan side, I believe the reason Dean couldn’t even say Cas’ name in the episode is because they were going to change the spelling from “Cass” as it was in the show proper to the fan-adopted (and more accurate) spelling of “Cas,” which would have appeared in the subtitles and later the script pages. And even that little thing right there would have been a huge giveaway to the whole game. And a very dangerous thing to do if there wasn’t going to be enough time for follow-through.
But the truth is, this isn’t a game for many people, and the harm that can be caused by good intentions is just as real. It also begs the question: why should this be so difficult? The answer is it’s not. Edging forever isn’t fun. It’s torture. I understand there’s an art to storytelling, but your audience is weary, and trust has been violated too many times. Even still, the flip side of that coin is honest to god respect for DeanCas endgame means taking the story and the reveal seriously. It’s a tightrope walk. And one that Robbie somehow managed to keep balanced after the finale, without it falling either way. Also we also need to consider the possibility that Jensen did pitch a full-on destiel love story spin-off but got shot down, opting to couch it in a more CW-branded world instead. He’s mentioned over half a dozen pitches were rejected. It's up to you whether you want to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
But, I’m gonna be honest here, I don’t know that we will ever get that resolution we crave. Even Robbie confirmed The Winchesters were always meant to “go it alone” after the first season. It’s hard to imagine Dean popping in there to fuck around again after that handoff. But the dude is clearly a very restless sea-faring*, swoopy-haired mofo right now, so I’ll leave that one up to the SPN multiverse and the new Mr. Superwholock’s magical universe-traveling impala. (This show used to be about what again? *looks at notes*.) And FWIW, if they do get green-lit for a whole second season or are allowed to move networks, I believe a good-faith effort will be made to tie the narrative parallels we saw in season one to some real Dean and Cas resolution. If there gets to be a world where John *might* not turn into an abusive dick, then this possibility has to be true too.
For the record, I enjoyed The Winchesters, all the new characters, and the doors the finale opened for the possibility of more. I would have been fine half-watching it with no promises, empty head no thoughts, but I got my clown** suit on again, and though I mostly kept quiet, unlike last time, I did regrettably manage to drag a few friends down with me yet again. Though the spec sessions were epic, and we did get some art out of it—it still rocks the boat when the base level expectations were only 1. Dean alive, and 2. seeing Cas again.
But for anyone, like me, upset by the (likely unintentional) Cas-baiting or anyone still reeling about why this stuff can hit so hard, here’s an interesting article about the way our brains respond to fictional characters. Tl;dr: There’s nothing wrong with you. This is science. And while you’re at it, take a look at this article about the very real power of disenfranchised grief over character loss.
Ramble on, fam. And take care of yourselves.
<3 Jackie
*Um hi he appears as a sailor? Literally, on a show with a story Dean is writing whose audience is looking for a resolution to a conversation between two people who’re famously the “most shipped” characters of all time? That’s not an accident. That’s intentional. And it’s another reason why there might be a bitter taste in your mouth. These nods came without resolution, so it still feels dirty, despite the brilliant Easter egg.
**I hesitate to say “clown” here because the lesson on episode 12 was that the clowns were the ones who chose a self-induced limbo rather than face some personal hard revelations. That sounds more like a certain closeted character than it does the people cheering him on, and that felt like an intentional nod too.
***obviously, this is my own rambling spec as I try to reorder my thoughts in the wake of the finale.
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There’s a lot to like about The Winchesters, but I think one of the reasons it hits so hard for me is that it solves my biggest problem with the finale. Personally, I don’t have a problem with tragic endings. The season 5 finale of Spn has a tragic ending, and I think it’s a wonderful feat of storytelling. Aside from the fact that 15x20 tried to pretend it wasn’t tragic and tried to make it seem like Sam and Dean standing alone on a bridge in Heaven was a happy ending, what I hated most about the finale was they had to flatten Dean into a two-dimensional caricature of himself to do it. Aside from maybe the revelation that Dean stood outside Sam’s apartment at Stanford for hours trying to psych himself up to go in because he was nervous Sam would turn him away, there was no moment in the episode that Dean felt like the complex, nuanced character we had come to know and love over the past 15 seasons. He had no desires or characterisation beyond pie, car and Sammy. There was no sign of all the growth we’ve seen from him, no hint of his own needs, wants or sense of self. I mean, he wasn’t even allowed to interact with his own heaven before Sam showed up. Even after his death, he was never allowed to have anything that was just his.
Look, I’ve said all this a hundred times before – if you look at my 15x20 tag, it’s basically just this sentiment repeated over and over again – so why am I saying it again now? Well, because The Winchesters is fixing that. The mission Dean is on is all his. It’s not about Sam, or pie or whatever surface level bullshit that finale tried to boil Dean down to. He’s going back to the past, he’s meddling in something insane because he sees value in it, and in the process going on a journey to understand himself better. His narration makes it pretty clear that through this quest he’s learning to contextualise his own life and feelings better. The past presents the future, after all (full disclosure, that’s an Ugly Betty episode title that I just really loved and use far too often in casual conversation), and one of the biggest hang ups in Dean’s life was that he was given this mythologised version of events and expected to believe them. Mary was this perfect saintly mother who sat at home baking cookies all day before she was brutally, and through no fault of her own, ripped away from them. John was the perfect mild-mannered husband and father who only slid into anger and obsession after he lost his perfect wife.
Eventually Dean realises that none of that is true. Mary couldn’t cook. She was a hunter. She was involved in the circumstances that brought about her own death. She was a complicated person, and in the end he got the chance to see that knowing the real her, flaws and all, was infinitely superior to believing the white-washed fairytale about the perfect martyr that John created after she died. There’s also the fact that John was never the perfect husband or father, even before Mary’s death. We get maybe one reference to that in Spn, how in Dean’s heaven in season 5 he remembers John and Mary fighting and John moving out for a few days, but not much else. The focus is very much on how John turned into a neglectful parent and an angry man after Mary’s death. But The Winchesters is working hard to dispel that lie. John always had this anger in him. Mary even calls him out multiple times on how he’s using her and their relationship as an excuse to avoid his issues. She straight up uses those words. There are also references to how raising your kids to be soldiers and being their drill sergeant rather than their parent is one of the worst things a parent can do to their child.
Anyway, as interesting as it is to see all these things addressed in the Spn universe, what’s so damn satisfying is seeing Dean realise it. Dean’s on a mission to learn more about his past. To understand that our parents and where we come from shapes and moulds the people we become, but it doesn’t have to define us forever if we don’t let it. By accepting his past and finding out the truth about who his parents truly were, he can accept himself and move forward, free of whatever baggage that had been dragging him down for so much of his life.
And the greatest part about all of this, is that Dean’s the one driving this story. It’s not God, or his father or even his duty to take care of Sam which dictated so much of his life and his choices before. This is about Dean’s choices and who he is as a person and what he wants. It’s funny because as little as we saw John Winchester in season 1 of Spn, he was very much the spectre hanging over the story, and the search to find him is what drove much of the plot throughout the season. Much of what his sons were doing was in reaction to him. And now in The Winchesters, Dean himself is the spectre that’s been hanging over the season. He’s the one making the big moves and steering the action. He’s the one everyone, friend and foe alike, is looking for. He’s the one who gave John the note and put this whole thing into motion. After the ending of Spn took away so much of his agency and everything that makes Dean Dean, he’s finally getting it back and then some.
I’m excited to see how the season’s going to end, but I’ll forever be happy that this show gave us Dean being his own person again. He’s the one picking the music this time.
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he gets it.
#spn prequel#spnwin#drake rodger#interview#here for the degradation of j*hn winchester#note: the purple scrawled underlined bits excite me *o*#web weaving#thoughts
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The thing that really gets me? Is that, when you’re watching The Winchesters, you know that it looks and feels like Supernatural would look and feel if Jensen Ackles made it (because it is). And i love it! It’s warm and a mixture of gritty and mystical and lights have a slightly otherwordly glow to them (the glow of unreality and death, with its dream-like quality) and there’s an almost Tolkien-like quality to these abandoned bunkers and objects curated by people who don’t exist anymore and whom anyone hardly remembers, like an ancient civilization that knew how to keep evil at bay but whose memory has almost entirely been lost (the world has changed...). Information is found and shared on paper. It almost feels like the choice of subject, with its 70s setting, is almost an excuse to get rid of screens and online search engines and give Supernatural a vintage feel back, that Americana fairytale flavor it always wanted to have.
And now that I’m typing this out, I’m fully processing that the show is shot as a tale. The story of Mary, John and the others is not simply ‘happening’ in front of the audience’s eyes, it is being told, and it is shot as such! The warmth, the glow, the story-like feeling are there because that’s how the story is being told.
And now I’m having thoughts that inhabit that area between the accident and the purpose of Supernatural’s making. Because as Supernatural progressed, the visual quality of it became colder, brighter, sharper. Information was on the internet, shared on smartphones, with little romanticism left to the whole process. Of course this was due to out-story reasons, but it works in-story too. The story was being told by Chuck in an increasingly controlling, claustrophobic way. And the way it felt lost gentleness, lost charm.
And now Dean is narrating, and suddenly the visuals are very Dean. Soft, warm, intimate. Vietnam looks like Purgatory. The characters look beautiful and graceful. There’s a loving quality to the whole thing. Out-story, it’s Jensen’s love for the show, and the love for the show of all the other people involved in this. The care and respect they have for the show. In-story, it’s Dean’s love for what he’s talking about, his care and respect for the subjects of his story.
It’s only been one episode but I’m already in love with this show.
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so its not really a prequel is it now? its a sequel... which means literally anything is possible...
#anything can happen even to our own canon timeline/universe#including everything we've been imagining for 2.5 years#:)))#has anyone talked about this?#i dont participate anymore but i stil have thoughts#the winchesters#spnwin#supernatural#the winchesters spoilers
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Dean wasn't happy and couldn't find peace in Heaven so he went searching for a happy ending elsewhere, he went searching for his family. And who is his family? John and Mary, yes, but also Bobby and Jack and Sam. Cas is notably absent from this list and I just can't get the journal out of my mind... the journal he gave to John to guide him as John's journal once guided Dean, in particular during the year he was trying to find his missing family member... there's one member of Dean's family missing and he needs to be found
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Missing Mothers
If Supernatural taught us anything, it’s that it all fell apart when Mary died. (Supernatural also taught us that shotgun shuts their cakehole, but that’s beside the point.) In this week’s episode, John confesses that he can’t keep hunting without Mary - “None of this works without Mary.” It’s foreshadowing, sure, but we’re also metaphorically diving into the missing pieces of Mary we never got in the series. YEAH you heard me - even with all of season 12-14! We realize that we never heard about her hopes and dreams, and we’re excited to learn about them!
This week, we focus on children separated from their mothers, from the cold open to Lata’s dead-but-not-actually-dead mother. (Mary’s mother is?? Somewhere??) The missing parent is such a strong theme in The Winchesters, but we have a stronger laser focus on the kids finding themselves - finding their own strength - without their parent.
The kids in the episode spend days alone while their mother is on the road, looked after occasionally by Mary. In an aside to John, Mary remarks that they act older than their age because of this. Mary, who never was a normal kid, focuses in on this ebbing-of-childhood theme to bond with the kids, and ultimately save them. She saves her own self by starting to explore who she is - or who she wants to be.
The complete Mary is missing from Supernatural, The Winchesters points out to us. And it’s time to learn more.
Boris: *cough, cough, and we learn more about Dean as well*
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Sometimes I wonder if we (as a fandom) have over-analysed scenes to the point that we’ve forgotten what we were actually watching.
Most of our favourite parts of Supernatural, the mothership as it were, are our favourite bits because they’ve been analysed and broken apart and put back together so many times that we can create this bigger picture that is further moulded by our own headcanons and fic plots and playlists. And that’s what makes Supernatural great.
I’ve seen a lot of #thoughts on The Winchesters now that the pilot is out, and I know that not everyone thinks it was a winner - the jokes were cheesy, the CGI looked terrible, it didn’t feel right, whatever else - but I’d argue that’s because it’s being compared to the Supernatural in our heads, not the Supernatural that aired on television.
I’ve said it before and I still believe it with my whole heart… Supernatural should just be a mediocre watch and forget network television show, but it’s not because of the passion of the people it sweeps up under it’s spell and the little bit of extra magic each and every person who gives it a little love sprinkles on top. This new passion project just needs the same magic.
#the winchesters#spnwin#spn prequel#tw 1x01#thoughts#this is it people this is our last chance#if we don’t want the spn universe to die this is what we’ve got
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Also can we just talk about The Implications from when Jack says “I wanted mankind to make their own fate. No interference from anywhere, no exceptions”?
Without interference, Sam’s world could’ve been destroyed too. Even if Sam and the other living hunters would’ve copped onto the danger eventually, because the Akrida needed to be killed by something not from earth, then their chances would’ve been slim (of course, they could’ve gone to Purgatory or Hell or used the HunterCorp versions or Apocalypse versions of the people that may have still been down there —unless Jack put them back — in order to find a suitable weapon, so it’s possible they had a better chance of not getting destroyed compared to other worlds). We know this, bc Dean says it next as his reasoning for meddling.
That fact is why Dean and Baby were vital, even when the core four did most of the work throughout the season to make their own fate after Dean set the ball rolling in The Winchesters. Dean needed to interfere in order to save all the worlds.
And in doing so, isn’t Dean making his own fate?
Or do you only get to make your own fate if you’re alive? (In which case, Heaven isn’t quite as free as it claims to be).
Are you only considered part of mankind if you’re alive? (Ouch. The person who throughout the show, at least to Cas, has been humanity’s representative (“He’s in love… with humanity,” “I loved everyone because of you”) and one of its saviors is no longer considered to be part of that?)
Thinking outside of “Chuck won”/“Jack is corrupted by Chuck/god power” theories, it’s possible that since Jack is still pretty much a kid (he still can’t tie his shoes 😭) he just doesn’t understand the nuances or full implications of the rules he’s trying to implement. He doesn’t understand that without Dean’s interference those worlds— even a world with people he cares about on it— may have been lost. He doesn’t understand that not doing anything to save those worlds is a bad thing (abstaining from action is not a neutral choice, it aligns one with the oppressor (in this case, the Akrida, and thus Chuck) in situations where one otherwise has the power to help). He’s trying so hard to maintain peace and order, to not repeat the mistakes of his grandfather and father, that he’s tragically still missing the point. It’s a lot of responsibility and power, and the only existing guidebook on how to wield it is basically trash so he’s having to make stuff up as he goes too. Which is terrifying and stressful and things would work so much better if people just stayed in the lines he’s drawing.
A large part of early SPN was focused on how God (and by nature, all gods, fathers, & makers) seemingly left. No prayers answered, no signs, just radio silence. His absence was the impetus for a lot of major events— the angels gunning to get the apocalypse started and over with bc they wanted some peace too; the angel civil war after they averted the apocalypse and Cas subsequently swallowing Purgatory for power, going mad, and unleashing the leviathan; Cas inadvertently causing the angels to fall in the struggle for power after Naomi and Metatron’s manipulations, Metatron making himself God, the factions that arose from fallen angels; Amara being released and yelling to be heard. God being absent, and being seemingly hands-off, didn’t work.
[For now I’m not even going to dissect how Chuck claims he left because ‘helicopter parenting’ didn’t work, and that him leaving was okay because humanity made it— because it had Sam and Dean. But then we see him later (and in actuality throughout the show) just trying to repeat the same narrative patterns he already wrote— Isaac and Abraham, Cain and Abel, etc for the sake of the story when it’s revealed he does interfere]
The late seasons posit that in actuality the issue was that God interfered too much, both by writing the overall narrative and with all the times he interfered (writing himself in as Chuck, resurrecting TFW countless times, anything he did to make a good story— and specifically, with his actions toward the end— killing Jack, raising Hell, snapping everyone away and trying to make his ending happen).
Jack only knows or has only experienced the latter— with the exception of Cas not being there after he was born and his short-lived experience of being separated from a father figure in that way, he hasn’t had to experience what Cas, Sam, Dean, humanity and the angels experienced for centuries. [This to me would’ve made leaving the deleted scene from 15x19 where Jack prays to Cas but gets no answer more poignant if they left it in— Jack knows what praying to no one feels like, what that pain and confusion is like]. Especially since Jack was just able to wake Cas up from the Empty anyway, and evidently pull him back out unseen in the finale, compared to everyone else he hasn’t had to experience the early seasons absent god/father struggles. He doesn’t understand that interference from on high isn’t always a bad thing in terms of where it gets humanity; the issue was that Chuck did it as entertainment, toyed with them and forced them through all this for a story. The solution then, is to just try to get Jack to understand the nuance and help with the rules and reign (which we see here a little bit, when both Dean and Bobby explain why Dean interfered and Bobby vouches for him, so Jack allows it, giving him the Colt. He still wants to put Dean back in the Heaven box but again, he’s just trying to hold things to gather and it would be a lot easier if everyone would stay where they were put).
But it shouldn’t be solely up to Jack to bear that weight.
Over and over the show has shown us that any single person trying to dictate how Heaven should be run or trying to fill that space — be it Chuck himself, or a well-meaning Cas, or Raphael, or Naomi, or Metatron, or Lucifer— doesn’t work. Over and over the show has shown us that what does work is when people work as a team— team free will, both versions; any time they rally all their allies to unite against a force bigger than they are; every version of found family on the show. Every time a hunter helps another. (Something The Winchesters emphasizes too.) Any time they win — whether it be finally killing Azazel, stopping the apocalypse, stopping the leviathan, or Amara, etc— although it’s usually one of the boys that does the final act, they never get there on their own. It always takes the help and teamwork from friends and foes alike to get there.
Although Amara wasn’t always great (blame her early attitude on Chuck), she brought up a good point about how ruling should have been about balance— not a single point of view or dictatorial narrative, but at the least two of them, working in tandem. Although Chuck absorbed Amara and Jack took in Amara when he took Chuck’s power, this balance still isn’t something we necessarily got to see onscreen in either show. It would be nice to see Amara out and let her help, along with getting visual confirmation that Cas is there and helping too, and it’s not just Jack.
If you do look at the situation from a ‘Chuck won/corruption’ theory, however, then the implications are far more sinister— Jack doesn’t want Dean or anyone interfering, meaning those worlds including Sam’s would’ve been destroyed. Interfere, and risk getting cast out of Heaven— and away from where you got the chance to meddle in the first place. He’s choosing to not interfere because on the surface it makes him look like a better, changed God, but I reiterate: abstaining from action is not a neutral choice, and in a situation where he literally has the power to do otherwise, it aligns him with the villain— the Akrida, and thus Chuck. So nothing has really changed, underneath. Mankind makes their own fate but only within limited parameters set up by Chuck, making it a rigged game. It’s a no-win scenario. Dean has to go back to the box of Heaven, where despite his family being down the road from him he still feels driven to seek out a universe where his family had a shot at a happy ending. Dean is made to go back to where Carry On was playing, where he no longer gets to pick the music. (In. What. World. Would Dean pick that cover of Wayward Son. 💀)
Either way, whether Jack is actively corrupted by Chuck, or if he just doesn’t really fully understand what he’s doing, Jack needs a little help in running Heaven and the multiverse. Dean should be allowed to be part of that help. We should get to see Cas be part of that help. We should get to see Jack change a little more, to have more nuanced understanding and flexibility.
And we should get to see that more in Season 2 if the show is renewed.
#spnwin#meta#supernatural#free will#the winchesters#renew the winchesters#jack kline#Chuck won?#the onus of god power#Chuck#dean winchester#team free will#team free will 2.0#Heaven#questions#there’s more thoughts I have but this is what I was able to articulate for now#Jack is still a baby#he deserves a life of peace too#when ‘I gave it a little nudge’ makes you better than God#ramblings#what’s the right way to rule the multiverse from within the established lore
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I don’t think Dean HAS been looking for Cas. YET.
I think what he’s actually been doing is – and I say this with all the love and hope in my Deangirl, destiel-otp heart – fleeing in the opposite direction.
Because –
Mary: I don’t regret what happened [when we were closed into a room with only one exit, with an antagonist pounding on the door, trying to get in and kill us, and romantic feelings were expressed]. But with everything going on […] I – I’m not sure what I’m ready for. So, I – I just need time.
-1x08
Lata: You know, I just – I can’t believe you haven’t been in touch with Anton.
-1x09
Mary: Um, can I ask you something? About you and Tony’s dad Ali [an interspecies romantic relationship]?
Ada: What would you like to know?
Mary: Well, going into it, you both knew you were from different worlds.
Ada: Mmm-hmm.
Mary: But you went for it anyway. If you had the chance to do it over again, would you?
Ada: I followed my heart. I don’t think that’s ever a mistake.
Mary: Even if you’re scared?
-1x05
Carlos: Listen, um – I’m, I’m sorry I never called you after our date.
Anton: Don’t tell me the big, bad hunter got scared.
Carlos [smiling]: Maybe!
[Pause]
Carlos [serious this time]: Yeah.
-1x09
But it’s okay. It’s okay, because –
Ada: I followed my heart. I don’t think that’s ever a mistake.
Mary: Even if you’re scared?
Ada: Especially then. It’s just part of falling in love.
-1x05
Mary: It’s okay to be scared. In fact, it’s good to be scared. [She glances at John.] You can’t be brave if you’re never scared.
-1x05
Carlos: But, um. I’m not afraid to ask you on a second date tonight.
-1x09
[Mary walks up to John and kisses him]
John: What – I – I don’t understand.
Mary: I don’t want to think about the Akrida. Or whether the world has a future. I want to be with you. Right here. Right now.
-1x08
Mary: Listen, before you go, I have to tell you something.
John: Tell me when you see me again.
-1x13
Ahh, classic supernatural destiel narrative parallels, where would we ever be without you?
seriously though, the instant that kiss happened – that “locked together in a room with only one exit, with death banging on the door, right before it gets sucked into an alternate realm” kiss – I just knew that Mary’s reaction would tell us SO MUCH about Dean’s reaction to Cas’ love declaration.
And I really think it did! but it goes so far beyond just that one scene. so many of Carlos’s reactions to Anton, and so many of Mary’s other reactions to John, are SO telling as well.
And I think, looking at the narrative parallels, it’s all laid out clearly:
Dean’s been scared. He doesn’t regret what happened – he’s glad that Cas said what he said – but he hasn’t known how to handle it. Of course, in the immediate aftermath, Cas was gone, and there was no relationship to handle – but after learning that Cas, it seems, is out of the Empty, Dean was confronted with the certainty of coming face-to-face with him again and having to deal with the consequences. Things that may have been distant thoughts were now extremely concrete possibilities. And it was overwhelming.
He needed to take some time to process his feelings and to figure out what he was ready for. The idea of following his heart to where his heart wanted him to go – the idea of a relationship – scared him. Maybe also the intensity of his feelings scared him. And Cas is an angel, and that element of the relationship – the two of them being from such different worlds – was intimidating too. What if something goes wrong? What if he messes it up somehow? This is Cas. This is important. So Dean avoided Cas for a while, and then he stumbled onto the Akrida threat, and it was just too much for him to deal with all at once.
But he’s looking for Cas now. Maybe he’s still scared, but he’s trying to be brave. He’s going to follow his heart. He has to tell Cas something.
#spn#spnwin#spnwin spoilers#spnwin 1x13#but also all the rest of it#destiel#Dean Winchester#parallels#my thoughts#and where it will all go I do not know but *gestures* yes
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