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fortuna-et-cataclysmos · 1 year

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Season 5 and the symbolism of pancakes

Guys, I swear I have a life outside of speculating the meaning behind pancakes in Miraculous...

But seriously, they're important. They symbolise the future (as made explicit in Pretention).

[Small note: they look like pancakes, they're called "pancakes" in the French dub, I don't know if they taste like pancakes, but I do know that they are not "French toasts" as the English dub claims. So I'll stick to "pancakes"]

Illusion

So we are introduced to the pancakes in Illusion, where for the first time Adrien sees his father in the kitchen, preparing breakfast.

Seems benign enough. Gabriel is even considered enough to ask Adrien how he likes his pancakes. He likes them "well-toasted."

Illusion is an episode where Gabriel fakes having changed, and him giving Adrien a choice is in line what that change. Of course, he still manipulates him into making him think that he has the freedom to not be the face of the Alliance, by basically threatening to withhold his newly expressed fatherly love if Adrien refuses to agree with him (more on that in this post). Pancakes are just a device for Gabriel to add to his illusion of good parent, and the illusion that Adrien has a choice.

Passion

Adrien and Gabriel are in the kitchen. Adrien is looking at his extremely decorated pancakes.

As we learn from Nathalie a second later, he likes his pancakes plain. She tells him to not eat them "to please his father", while Gabriel seemingly naively points out that if Adrien didn't want bananas, he could have told him.

Sure he could tell him, except that the last time Adrien asked for something from Gabriel -to not be the face of Alliance-, he emotionally manipulated him to withdraw his request, and even made him wear the said Alliance.

The bananas and the fancy toppings are basically a metaphor for the fancy model life Gabriel wants to give Adrien, while Adrien really doesn't want any of it. And just as many people like toppings on their pancakes, they also would like to have a life of fame, hence think Adrien is lucky (as seen in the S4 Finale). Meanwhile, Adrien doesn't want any of it, he likes his pancakes and and his life plain and simple, "au naturel".

Nonetheless, Adrien still continues eating his father's pancakes, saying that he doesn't mind, that he likes them.

Pretension

This is where the pancake business gets serious.

First, we learn that indeed, Gabriel's pancakes taste bad. Plagg cheers for being saved from eating another serving of Gabriel's pancakes. This is bordering to over analysis but, given that Plagg couldn't eat them while Gabriel is in the kitchen, I assume that's Adrien's opinion which he must have confessed to Plagg at a more appropriate time. And still, Adrien keeps eating his father's pancakes.

Later in the episode, the pancake/future metaphor is expressed very clearly by Gabriel. He tells Marinette that she can have her pancake and life however she wants it, but the one thing she can't do is to share it with Adrien.

He says very clearly:

You think that you have a choice, but all you have is the illusion of a choice. And I decide which choices you get.

And where do we get this exact claim in practice? In the episode Illusion, where Gabriel manipulates Adrien into thinking that he has a say over his future, while Gabriel is the one making all the choices that matter.

And he gives two "choices" to Marinette:

To eat the pancake, receive Gabriel's backing and be a famous designer

To refuse the pancake and have nothing

Once more, the way he frames it, Gabriel gives the illusion that Marinette has a choice, while neither of the two choices includes being with Adrien. So he basically leaves her with no choice but to break up with him.

Now comes the breaking point. Marinette fully understands that the pancakes are a metaphor for her and Adrien's future, and she continues the same metaphor to get her message across to Gabriel (talk about power move).

First, she refuses to eat them. She has "lost her appetite."

This refusal is in contrast with Adrien who kept eating them even though he didn't like them. Unlike him, Marinette "doesn't even need to try them to know that they are bad."

Normally, this is to be understood as her making the choice no 2: refuse the pancake and have nothing.

As such, she is escorted out the kitchen. The scene composition clearly shows that she is stuck between Gabriel on the one side, and the Gorilla on the other.

Because, she refused the pancake. Per Gabriel's rules, she is supposed to have nothing.

But Marinette defies that. Not only she runs upstairs to hug and tell Adrien that she'll never abandon him, but she also gets back downstairs without needing to be restrained by the Gorilla, hence protecting her composture.

Look at how she goes down the stairs, having not only the physical but also the moral high-ground:

She looks so intimidating that in the next frame, even the Gorilla steps aside to let her pass. Both Gorilla and Gabriel are surprised by her move, if you zoom in you can see it in their faces. Gabriel did not expect her to do something outside the two "choices" he had given her.

And then comes the death blow, where Marinette tells Gabriel:

You know what's your pancakes problem? They have too much flour and not enough butter. You use an outdated recipe, no one likes them like that anymore.

Yup. She calls Gabriel's entire fashion, but also life practices, outdated with one simple metaphor. My girl slays.

At the end of Pretention, during dinner (no pancakes here sorry), we see that a parallelling breakthrough happens in Adrien's front.

Gabriel tells Adrien that he can spend as much as time as he wants with Marinette, for he will be in London next year. Again, Gabriel is creating the illusion that he is free to date Marinette, except that, as Adrien now realises, he is not. Adrien gets visibly furious at his father for the first time.

He does quickly calm down, but what is his reaction? He says that he has "lost his appetite," just like Marinette did. The boy who kept eating badly made pancakes with the toppings he didn't like finally refuses to eat the illusions his father is feeding him.

This, coupled with Adrien's terror at going to his room at the beginning of the episode, leaving Marinette alone despite himself, become a turning point for him: he finally acknowledges that he isn't free, and that his father keeps forcing his decisions onto him. Maybe also getting one step closer to discovering/accepting that he is a sentibeing.

All this story, told through pancakes.

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miraculous-floconfettis · 11 months

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I just thought of something when watching Emotion again:

When Félix tried to bring back Marinette and failed, we (as viewers), figured out fairly quickly it was because she was not Marinette at the moment but Ladybug. But Félix doesn't know that, so he was only thinking of Marinette as Marinette when he tried to bring her back, and he came to the conclusion that he couldn't control his powers as well as he thought he could (but we know it wasn't the case).

So would that mean if Félix knew that Marinette was Ladybug, he could have brought her back? (I'm almost certain the answer is "yes").

And here comes the interesting part:

Would that also mean for Adrien that as long as Gabriel doesn't know he's Chat Noir, Gabriel can control Adrien but cannot control Chat Noir (which is a significant advantage for Adrien even though he's not aware of it) (yet)?

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monpetitchattriste · 10 months

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At first I wasn't a fan of Adrien being a sentibeing but now I really connect with it.

Adrien has to deal with this struggle of being pulled by so many different strings. From what his father wants and expects him to do, to what others expect from him.

He is constantly being forced to do what others what him to do without any say. He does try to push back and resist it but eventually he givens in.

Having Adrien be a Senti is an easy way to show that it's hard to say no to things you don't want to do, especially when it comes to parental figures.

We all want to live up to what our parents want from us and that's a hard thing to do. But we also want to love our life in the way we choose. But making that choice is hard when you don't want to disappoint people.

He wants his father's love and support so at first he is willing to listen. But as Adrien grows he starts to see that his father doesn't always have his best interests in mind and wants to use him as a pawn. Yet Adrien still for the most part obeys because he is reward with love when he does.

I guess my point is that it is hard to go against other people's wishes and its hard to say no sometimes even when we really want to. And Adrien being a sentibeing is a great way to show that in my opinion. Cause he can break free from the control I know he can.

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ilikelookingatthings · 1 month

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Does anyone else feel like its weird that Miraculous Ladybug acts like I should be fine with Adrien's mom dying? and that's its wrong to try to save her?

Like....fridging trope aside.....Arguable Gabe has the most sympathetic reasoning for wanting to become a villain...he is trying to get the ladybug and Chat noir miraculous to make a wish to fix/heal his wife out of her coma which she only entered due to Magic from using a broken Peacock.

His plan makes sense...he can't go to a guardian for help because he doesn't know fu exists at that point and all the other guardians are gone. He's rich so had already used all the science money can buy plus anything he can glean from their not properly translated miraculous book, and its not working. And he clearly had tried to find the miraculous by normal means but couldn't find it outside of narrowing it down to France(unless the plan was that the TV would showcase his akuma villain so the miraculous holders would be activated and come find them from afar which also works).

So, the only way to find the creation and destruction miraculous was to use the pattern shown through history that if a villain appeared that the cat and ladybug miraculous would be activated to deal with it. He pretends to be a villain, amplifies his own negative emotions and simplifies what he wants so it's easier to project it on his victim. He chooses negative emotions because someone vulnerable will be more likely to say yes as he still needs consent, and a villain is the best option to get attention and draw them out. Then he would get the chance to steal the miraculous...which then he could release the victim (who wouldn't know what they did minimizing trauma) where he could reverse all the damage with the newly stolen creation miraculous.

and he knows if he loses the damage would be reversed by the ladybug anyway. and by showing his hawkmoth persona people have someone to blame aside from his Akuma victim. and Gabe knows he can take the powers if it goes too far and that he can talk to his victim and use a brain zap connection check them if they get too out of hand..so while Gabe is still horrible for taking advantage of a (usually a teens) negative emotions to try to steal the miraculous after making a scene and alarming the city of Paris...he arguable has a plan that minimizes the risk and damage where he has to get consent from his victim(they have to agree to the powers and that he persuaded them). and the plan is to heal his wife who can walk back into her life using the 'missing' cover...probably something like her going away for a secret treatment she didn't know would work ect. and Gabe knows i he wins that he just wants to save a loved one(doesn't erase the fear since people don't know what he wants and just because he has the illusion of control it doesn't change people were in real danger.

Its just....Yes he's horrible but he also knows any damage he makes will be reversed and he had no contact with the guardians so it would have been pretty understandably if he didn't really understand how the wish works since the 'Detroy and rewrite the world' sounds like bullshit and a price to heal someone from something the miraculous caused would be hard to fathom or easy to brush aside at first. We've seen Mari justify risky moves because she knows Damage will get reversed at times...and unlike a lot of villains at least Gabe had a failsafe with the Ladybug miraculous and how he hadn't planned to torment Paris and just wanted a quick in and out wish.

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Its just weird the show acts like the BEST course of action is just to completely accept Emelie's death....like this isn't natural sickness...this is a miraculous caused one so I wouldn't just accept it easier...even more she isn't dead yet...if she was dead and buried I'd understand the point of him having to accept and move on...but contrary to how its coffin shaped...it's not actually a coffin...it's a healing coma stasis pod.

I mean sure we could argue that if the wish destroys the world that its bad completely even if everything is rewritten (side eyeing the time travel episodes a bit but eh)....but considering how strongly he tries to convince Adrien about his mom being 'missing' and his desperation when the power almost went out due to the power surge during the guys' party....Gabe at least through most of the seasons didn't seem to be banking on the 'remake everything' part and was aiming for the healing her/waking her up part...like was it that someone else would have to go into a coma which would be better than death at least?

it's just I understand that a message can be accepting to let people go when there are no other options but the whole point of science and doctors is to have a fighting chance...and it feels weird to be told to give up is the right thing to do when she isn't dead, and a common 'miracle' is someone being healed.

Like...why is the show trying to get me to ship Gabe and Nathalie at times when Gabe's ONE redeeming feature is that he loves his wife and wants to save her...I mean i like the drama by why act like its some fix? that if Gabe has a replacement, he should stop trying to save her? Even more its not like Gabe is the only one who wants her back...Nathalie clearly thought she was worth it enough to side with this crazy plan, and wanting to bring back the emotionally competent parents' kind of makes sense for Gabe since he clearly didn't prepare to be a single parent.

And like....I'm gonna be honest the thing that bothers me the most if her having videos saying she wants Gabe to give up....like I get...a just in case video...but would it be wrong if the mom WANTED to be saved? Would Emelie wanting to live be selfish?

Also she tends to be treated like a saint character...perfect sweet person dead mom architype. We are all familiar....

But it feels odd people don't address the aspects of her character we DO know. We know Gabe compared Chat noir to Adrien's mom Favorably when Chat ripped him to shreds so to speak in Simon Says when Gabe was being too lighthearted about the danger Gabe was personally in. implying, she often roasted Gabe in a similar way...and considering Gabe as strong parallels personality wise to Marinette...it strengthens the hint that Emelie is also closure to Adrien in their dynamic.

Like....What if the issue is that Emelie was the one super excited about miraculous and using them and didn't check it was safe to use the peacock. Where she overlooked the side affects and kept using it anyway until it was too late? Something that could parallel how Adrien when he first got Plagg got so excited he accept the powers without finding out the details as well as Adrien being a bit reckless when it comes to his OWN well-being in his confidence. Like...she wanted a baby, but she couldn't have one naturally so wanted to use the peacock instead of invitro or adoption and she was stubborn about it. Ignoring Gabe who would be more cautious about its view (similar to how Marinette is more cautious and collects info and makes plans to contrast Adrien who jumps right in first). Her kindness in making a baby for others like Kagami for Kagami's mom and Felix for her sister. Maybe Emilie tried doing good with the peacock or heck even the butterfly before...but Emilie being reckless led to her not realizing the affect it would have on her family if something happened to her. Emilie was also really talented in her own right both as a model and an actress(even if she only acted a little in that one movie)...but if she's similar to Adrien in how he tends to be naturally supportive and empathetic....what if she was a great source of help for Gabe who struggled a bit with that...especially with him trying to impress her old money family with his new money riches....

like it would make Sense of Gabe wants to help her /save her or might blame himself for not stopping her...even more if she believes in him like how chat believes in LB/Mari.

It just feels unfair that the show seems to act like it's just the only option that Adrien's mom would be understanding about them letting her die/go instead of trying to save her when most of them would have no reason to understand or believe the weight of the wish would be THAT bad.

and if Gabe's plan was always to switch with the mom (similar to how Nathalie was healed but he was gone) ...would the mom know and be worried because she wanted Gabe to be, okay?

Like I wish there was a bit more nuance we were shown...like was she reckless in using it...whether through genuine good or selfish intentions but not bad? what about how she was also super protective of Adrien...like its not just Gabe who made Adrien homeschool...it was the mom...and Adrien was more or less fine with it still his mom disappeared and he was struck with his grieving dad who was NOT taking it well and who (WE know) was probably trying to find way to fix the mom and putting Adrien second to try to fix her faster for Adrien's sake...forgetting Adrien couldn't be that understanding since to Adrien his mom disappeared while Gabe at least knew she was alive and Adrien didn't know his dad was taking care of his mom.

Was she a little vain or shallow? at all dramatic like Adrien? would she sneak out at times? Was the mom at all paranoid or overprotective about Adrien? Was she overly affectionate hence why Adrien might struggle with certain personal space issues at times?

Its just..Gabe has the energy of someone who kind of had to pick up being hawkmoth out of necessity like Mari did to help save Paris(or alya Infront of her)...only for him his Paris was Emelie...also according to how Gabe responded to Chat in Simon says...did she put Gabe in his place? get annoyed at him or think that Gabe was too reckless with himself like how Mari at times can be confident and not realize the danger she puts herself in?

We know the mom was adventurous and directly was part of that expedition to find the miraculous with Gabe and Nathalie and that they liked to travel often. We also know as much as Gabe loves his wife....he isn't a big fan of her sister even if Adrien and Felix would hang out more often before.

I mean...Emelie doesn't have to be evil or anything, but I would like a bit more nuance to her...

Honestly, I half wonder if Emelie had actually made a wish before and that's why she wants Gabe to give up.

What if Gabe had actually been the one to suffer the consequences of the peacock before and Emelie had been the Hawkmoth...only to succeed and change things so SHE used it instead so Gabe would live in her place...trying to stop him from burning himself out with those videos.

Also...people give Gabe flack for not going back in time to stop Emilie from using the peacock...but if she did that...wouldn't that have stopped Felix, Kagami and especially Adrien his own son from existing?

Like its the easiest route to fix Emilie but it could risk the existence of their kid so is it really the most obvious choice that Gabe failing to see means he's just too far gone that the show is trying to pretend it was?

Also has anyone heard the Theory that Emilie and Amelie were also sentibeings as well?

or that Adrien is based on them losing a kid together? or him being half a sentibeing?

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Also....if they were going to save Nathalie with Gabe dying....Why not just have Gabe trade himself for his wife anyway? why can't both Nathalie and Emelie be saved?

like morally I think Gabe thinking it would be better if Adrien had emelie instead of Gabe could be interesting since she seems better at emotions and was the more emotion focused parent...but that could also show the flaw of when you focus on your 'role' of what your good at and forget to practice the other aspects of parenting...relying on the other person for the other aspects instead of you both equalizing it out? would Adrien agree? or be devastated his dad felt it would have been preferable if Gabe died instead of Emilie?

also...why not just have them offer the guardians to help save Emelie? show that the wish isn't necessary and get experts in who can help combined with science since she technically isn't dead?

also... what if that's a decoy and the real Emelie is somewhere else?

I'm just saying them finding those videos all the way in season 5 after THIS long just saying Gabe should let Emilie go feels pretty convenient.

Also...what happens if Adrien finds out the truth and uses a wish to bring both of his parents back but at the cost of himself?

Would potentially Amelie pretend to be Emilie and make the videos? similar to felix?

Or get desperate to save her sister now that she knows she was in trouble/in a coma?

Also...I get Adrien tends to be the 'move forward type when you can't change anything' and he was probably just trying to be calmer and accept things to contrast how his dad was stuck and how Adrien pieced together his mom was sick and her 'disappearing' was probably his mom running away to die where her family couldn't see her since they had tried to keep it from Adrien...and that his dad was in denial about it and Adrien came to terms by himself.

but it feels odd they have Adrien be so accepting I guess? like if he was more in denial how would that have affected marinette on the subject? though I get his dad not giving up easily when emilie isn't dead and he has seen her in the pod.

Though imagine if the mom DID come back a the end with the 'missing' excuse as a cover still.

Also... Nathalie basically enabled Gabriel into his death...i wonder how Nathalie would feel about that now or about Emelie after the taps...like I haven't forgotten the guy almost gave up being hawkmoth but Nathalie encouraged him to continue!

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isaangie-art · 1 year

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"Not agaain! Th... that feather-"

🎨 Art by me!

My colored version of this one: [link].

I actually wanted to post it 2 days before for some special reason xD

#Adrien is allergic to pigeons only... but let's pretend that person who holds the feather painted it blue to just scare him :P #feb 16 updaaate: I already fixed one of his fingers... I had put a ring in the index one 😅#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #miraculous fanart #adrien agreste #sentibeing #sentimonster adrien #sentimonster #sentimonster theory #fanart #myart #isaangie #isaangie-art

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bellzsad · 8 months

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I believe Emilie just created a fetus/fertilized egg Sentimonster that was implanted into her womb that slowly developed into Adrien

yeah, i agree, i think that IF adrien is half sentimonster/half human then this is how it wouldve happened.

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unefillecommelesautres314 · 9 months

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⚠️MLB 5x24 SPOILERS⚠️

My first little comic :D had the idea today and thought I'd just try to draw it

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mysticraven20 · 11 months

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Chat Noir and Ladybug talk about Adrien being a sentibeing.

Chat Noir: So, Adrien Agreste is a sentibeing… half man, half god!

Ladybug: *dreamy sighs* That he is, Kitty Cat. That he is!

@giuliafc when conversations get out of hand 😂

#adrienette #marinettedupaincheng #adrienagreste #ladynoir #chatnoir #miraculous #ladybugandcatnoir #ladybug #ladybugandchatnoir #fanfiction #sentibeing #sentiadrien

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tosteur-gluteal · 5 months

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ULTIMATE AMOK SHOWDOWN - which object for our very special boy (omori?)

In this au, Omori is a sentimonster created by Mari (not giving out much context)

#toaster talks #poll #omori mari #omori #omori au #omori omori #omori mlb au #mlb au #amok #sentimonster #sentibeing

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miraculous-pyxie · 1 year

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spoilers for the newest episode but i think i finally figured out my issue with the Adrien being a senti thing and maybe why other people dislike it as well. (this is not slander i promise i love adrien and i want the best for him.) (ps this is also unedited so read at your own risk)

Adrien presents himself in public as someone who is incapable of flaw and that’s the point of his civilization appearance and duality of his hero identity. I take no issue with Chat Noir being a senti yet i take issue with Adrien. But why? they are the same person! i’m going to explain why this is and i think many others feel this way too.

1. Adrien’s civilian identity of perfection makes it harder to see him as a person and not just a character. He feels flat this late into the series. (THIS IS NOT SLANDER LET ME EXPLAIN)

This may be intentional for the future for the other characters perception of Adrien in later seasons but for the audience it should not be this hard. He is technically a main character and i think we don’t hear enough from him internally. We never hear his thoughts. We hear Chat noir having his own dialogue about himself but never Adrien (i’ll get to that next). We had that heartbreaking scene in wishmaker where Adrien only wanted what his parents wanted for him but i feel that we didn’t get elaborate enough point of view from him. i wanted him to explain more of what that meant for him!! was he sad about that? happy? angry? we never hear his opinions of himself and just because he’s a senti doesn’t mean he can’t think critically of himself. (if the writers say otherwise that just feels like bad writing)

2. the gap between Adrien and Chat Noir feels too wide.

As the show progressed i hoped that we would begin to see how Adrien and Chat Noir and Marinette and Ladybug’s personas would blend together. My favorite scene was in risk was Adrien FINALLY speaking his mind (in front of someone he cares about!!) that’s huge!! i loved that!! i wish they kept this up in season 5 more and we had more scenes where adrien tries to wrestle for control. i feel that would have greatly benefitted his character. I wish we had more personality overlap. and example of this is as him and marinette started getting closer in season 5 he’d start letting his guard down around her and letting more of the chat noir side of his personality through. i’ve talked about Adrien being the embodiment of perfection and that is intentional from a writing perspective. his counterbalance is being chat noir and chat noir feels very human, real and tangible. He feels like a teenage boy who is in love, and that’s why the chat noir persona is a fan favorite. he feels very real and that’s why I’m ok with Chat being a senti. if I had learned, Adrien was senti in season one i would have been a lot more on board.

moving away from the story and on to some technical gripes starting with my biggest and most polarizing opinion…

3. I think that Adrien being a senti was added retroactively and it was intended to be a plot twist.

now this is just a theory but listen to where I’m coming from. this isn’t a bad thing necessarily I just feel like when they executed this idea, season one was already being aired on tv. if you take a look at Adrien’s character in s1 vs s4, you can see that Adrien‘s general demeanor is looser and more fluid between both of his identities compared to when we get in the later seasons. Adrien with other people, Chat Noir, and Adrien alone, fit pretty cohesively in my opinion in s1. in s5, Adrien very much feels like a husk of the person we knew before. The fear of fighting back has now fully taken over him, but where did it come from? You can push all you want that it was Gabriel taking more control over Adrien in later seasons and sure, but why didn’t we see that as an audience sooner?

Now let’s play devils advocate and suggest that Adrien being a senti was not a retroactive decision: if it was, I wish we saw Adrien pushing Gabriel more. somewhere in the season 3-4 timeframe, Adrien begin to get scared of fighting back. and in season five you can see this fully as he is now completely scared to fight back when, in the very first episode, the idea of fighting back against his father seemed more of an annoyance than a full-blown fear. I wish we saw what made Adrien so scared because it feels like it appeared out of nowhere. we don’t get much room to work with him as a character and see his perspective.

And now the plot twist point. we’ve definitely been getting clues because this theory is not a new one by far however, in the fandom a couple years ago, it was definitely a far-fetched theory at the time. for a characterization point for the main character, such a crucial piece of information about his very existence, should not have been held for that long. That should’ve been something maybe revealed to the audience in season three. and revealed to the characters at the end of season five or something like that.

Adrien losing that fluid dynamic essence from season one really made it feel like we lost him as a character somewhere along the way and that is what I don’t like about it. I don’t like that Adrien‘s whole personality has been reduced to him being senti. all of his character arcs and progression is only expressed through chat noir, and none of it through Adrien himself.

One last thing I wanted to add was Mayra didn’t sense that Chat Noir was a senti when she was active. That’s been a little thing that’s been bugging me because Felix clearly picked up on the fact that Kagami’s a senti. and you could counter that by saying oh, it’s because the miraculous was broken! and sure we could say that but from a writing standpoint, I don’t like it. it doesn’t fit cleanly with everything else we have.

I say all this out of love for the show I’ve been a fan for 7 years. I also say this out of love for Adrien because I want the best for all these kids, even Lila and Chloe. these are mostly things I just wanted to get out there and please do correct me if I’m wrong, I love hearing other peoples opinions! i’m due for a rewatch of the show anyway so I wrote this all from memory .

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cardiac-agreste · 5 months

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Adrien's Guilt

A brief thought. It's a trope (and maybe real but I've—mercifully—never been exposed to it) for a child whose mother who died in childbirth to feel like they killed their mother (and sometimes the dad doesn't let them forget it).

I think something to explore in fanfic is Adrien processing that same guilt, as it's analogous.

I am reading @anna-scribbles new fic thirteen and nothing I've seen touches on this (so it's no spoilers!), but it's a meditative Adrien fic, and its spirit moved me to this idea.

#ml fic #prompt #fanfiction prompt #miraculous ladybug #mlb #adrien agreste #emilie agreste #gabriel agreste #sentibeing #sentitheory #sentiadrien #peacock miraculous

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ramen8008 · 1 year

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Saw this poll about if Adrien was born a baby from the peacock miraculous or was he born a 8 something year old.

For me it's a baby cause of the memories from wishmaker wait- WHAT IF THEY CREATED FAKE MEMORIES FOR HIM. Made him a perfect looking 8 years or something old for modeling and gave him fake memories of the time Gabriel was nice. OR GABRIEL WAS NEVER A NICE FATHER!!! WHAT IF Emelie forged Adrien's memories to make him think he had a happy family all the while Gabriel was never nice and only needed him for the modelling.

OMG . I think I might have cracked the case. Gabriel was never nice but the fake memories from the miraculous made him think he was and that's why Adrien did all his father wanted in hopes of Gabriel to return to being a loving father he believes he used to be but never was.

#OMG #theory?!?#i think i cracked the case #what if tho #miraculous #mlb #chat noir #ladybug #adrien #marinette #ladybug and chat noir #chat #gabriel #gabriel agreste #sentimonster adrien #sentimonter #ml sentimonster #sentibeing

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mmikmmik2 · 27 days

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Black comedy fanfiction idea

Félix randomly finds some jewelry containing an amok in the Agreste mansion or in the Grand Paris. Who the fuck is that?? From research and interrogating Nathalie and Duusu, Kagami and Félix narrow it down to Chloé or Zoé.

Félix and Kagami being forced to ask bizarre and intrusive questions and make themselves look even weirder than usual while trying to figure out which of them it could be, without crossing an ethical line by using their amok. What if it's both girls and there's still a lost amok floating around somewhere??

Félix, believing it is wrong to hold on to another person's amok forever even if he would just be keeping it safe and not using it, coming up with absurd and melodramatic schemes to give Chloé (presumably hates him and Kagami, currently lives on a different continent) or Zoé (not close to either of them and has no reason to trust them afaik) a random piece of jewelry and convince them to keep it safe forever and never ever ever lose it or damage it or let anyone else touch it, without having to answer any followup questions, possibly while in disguise

Félix, grasping at straws, keeps suggesting murdering Audrey and Kagami is like "you cannot start a relationship with unsolicited parent murder, we have been over this"

Zoé finding out she's a sentibeing would be so funny because like. She is a relatively normal person and she already had So Much family drama and now this is happening to her. Can she get a break.

I think Chloé finding out about sentibeings would not give a shit about what Félix and Kagami want and would start yelling about it to whoever she wants. I think her and Adrien should both be like "we're sentimonsters" together in a kinda-reclaiming it way and kinda-beating themselves up way and have terrible sentibeing terminology discourse with Félix

Everyone wants to know why tf Audrey has a sentibeing kid and an until-further-notice mundane kid and is coming up with elaborate theories. It turns out she was asking tons of invasive questions about the Graham de Vanily twins' fertility, Gabriel and Emilie (who didn't want her to suspect they personally own multiple powerful magical artifacts because she sucks) panicked and basically claimed they Know A Guy for magic kids, and Audrey accidentally came away with the impression that senti-kids are exclusive and trendy. Like purse dogs.

#miraculous ladybug #sentibeing #this is inspired by noticing that 'one of audrey's kids is a sentibeing' seems to have been a popular hc/theory in the past #but i've seen about equal coverage for 'sentibeing chloé' and 'sentibeing zoé'#félix fathom #kagami tsurugi #chloé bourgeois #adrien agreste #zoé lee

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maccanoni · 4 months

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Something to Hope for : A New Year's One Shot

“I’m miserable without you,” He tells her in a low voice. “I’m bleeding from the inside, everything hurts, and my heart is always thinking about you, m’lady.”

After Gabriel destroys her relationship, career, and reputation, Marinette is too depressed to enjoy New Year's Eve. A visit from her ex-boyfriend gives her a whole different perspective and a new goal to achieve.

#mlb #miraculous ladybug #adrinette #new years #sentibeing #adrien agreste #he finds out and goes running to his ex gf #tragic right

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kisilinramblings · 1 year

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I had this discussion with my friend regarding the sentimonster status of Adrien and while the ambassador said that it's canon, the scene in Mirsculer episode stood out the most with us because it seems to be proving otherwise.

Case of point : Sentimonster will goes berserk upon making a contact with Cataclysm, Adrien didn't.

The answer that I get when I I asked around about it prior to s5 is that :

The Cataclysm is a fake and it didn't have the same power as Chat Noir.

The suit protect him.

I once saw Astruc tweeted regarding the first answer : No, the cataclysm isn't fake. It had the same power and strength as Chat Noir's and the second point is proved to be wrong or not 100% true either considering Monarch got the damage from the cataclysm and it slowly killing him.

In fact, Adrien's reaction and his comment about his fractured (broken?) Ribs in that episode is basically the same as what happened with Gabriel in s5.

We're just confused because at one point the show seemed to give up proof that Adrien isn't a sentimonster while other moment the fandom seemed to give us proof that he is.

I'm asking because you're one of the rare blog that seems neutral enough in discussion so I hope you won't mind if I ask if those hints that I keep seeing about Adrien is sentimonster in concrete enough as evidence that he is or it could be read as ambiguous hint?

I'm sorry if you had similar question before.

Ok, but mind you, I haven't watch past Transmission as I want to follow this season in order as much as I can. So if I am missing elements that come later this season, this is normal and I ask people who would want to reply to this to NOT SPOIL ME.

And just to make it clear for those who don't know me, my stance about the SentiAdrien-theory is the following : I may not overall like it because of some elements, but after Ephemeral, I have accepted SentiAdrien is implied enough to be real despite no official verbal confirmation in canon so far. In other words, to me, SentiAdrien is present in the subtext, but I don't like some implications related to it that comes from my own interpretation as viewer of the source material.

Anyway, let's re-establish some facts first. We know that Cataclysm causes something "bad" to happen to whatever it touches depending on its nature.

Against most superpowers, Cataclysm neutralizes them. It can even destroyed an alternate plane dimension like we have seen in Pixelator.

For an object or machine, it will make it malfunction, break or rust to the point it can turned to dust. Uncanny Valley, for example, is a android who after taking a Cataclysm on herself stop functionning and the Lucky Charm was used to reboot her.

For living beings, Cataclysm effect are transposed. Bones will fracture / break or tissues will decay. Those are the two known and observed effects in canon. And just like an object can be completely destroyed because it is too much degraded, Cataclysm can potential kill a living being if the damages are unstainable for the body to function either instantly (see the Akuma in Chat Blanc -- which is a real butterfly at its core -- which is the closest we got of that) or on the long term (Monarch).

In the case of Sentis, the magic link with the Amok is severed, making them uncontrollable. And yes, the first modus operandi with all Senti created for battle so far by the Bad Guys is to go berserk as a result. Also, despite them cracked mark they get after tanking a Cataclysm as if they were objects, Sentis are ultimately living beings even if they more or less look like it and no matter if they are intended as a weapon or not. They are not artificial intelligent beings like Uncanny Valley.

Those are the facts.

Another thing we tend to forget, but Chat Blanc did Cataclysm himself during the alternate timeline. Instead of attacking either Hawkmoth or Ladybug, he turned his attack on him... before losing control of his powers. Months passed and despite this, physically, he looks fine. Which can make one wonder... if Monarch's body is progressively rotting after taking a Catasclym and Chat Noir's ribs were fractured until he was healed, what was Chat Blanc Cataclysm effect on him? Could it have been something else than physical? Of course, his unstable mental state later during his fight with Ladybug is mostly due to the trauma he has lived and the months of his solitude in this post-apocalyptic world he has caused. There is no way someone would remain sane of mind under the same context. But there is the possibility Cataslym contributed to that unstability as well. However, there is no way to fully determine it because it is not visible.

Now, time for my theory. I suspect how the Senti was created plays a role there. All Sentis are created from one emotion in the first place. And the Creator can shape and program the Senti however they want during creation. They can make them look a certain way, have skills or powers the creator has predetermined. The Sentis meant to battle against Ladybug and Chat Noir are most probably made to tank a Cataclysm. But while Cataclym can't physically harm a Senti created to be a living weapon, the only thing that remain with which it can mess under these circumstances is the Peacock magic itself.

So what if we and the heores are actually misunderstanding the Berserk effect? What if the Senti going berserk is merely the result of them being confused, scared or having their core emotion overtaking them because Cataclysm actually messed with their emotional regulation? In most cases, the Senti is created out of a negative emotion such as anger, thus why they tend to be mostly destructive.

And if so, it begs the following question : if the Senti was never created with the intention for them to be used in a magic battle and defend against superpowers, to just be and pass as a normal living being, would them being hit by Cataclysm actually have similar consequences to what actually happens with other normal living being as a possible effect? Making the body malfunction in some way instead? Of course, that doesn't mean those Senti are immune to become berserk. Just that Cataclysm has more options to hazardly choose from.

Anyway, food for thought.

Also, adding this because I expect this counter-argument to pop out, but in the context of SentiAdrien, the reason why Chat Blanc didn't vanished despite the Twin Rings probably being turn to dust judging by the state of all Paris citizen in that alternate timeline including Hawkmoth, is probably due to the fact the Twin Ring wasn't in one piece when they were destroyed. Just like the record disk in Crocoduel. Breaking the parts separately doesn't release the Akuma in this context. The object needs to be broken as one for it to happen. And Akuma and Amok work roughly the same, so there you have it.

#miraculous ladybug #sentiadrien theory #miraculeakless #ml leak free #sentimonster #sentibeing #sentihuman

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