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Saintess of Mercy Statue (Alternate version)
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Antonia's dialogue about the Gold Coin Tree
Thanks to a post by @lopposting, I learned about Antonia supposedly having some extra dialogue about the portrait you find in the hideout of the Black Rabbit Brotherhood, provided you talk to her first after obtaining it. I was curious to see this for myself, and since I'm currently on my NG+ run, I used the opportunity to check.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get Antonia to share any bonus dialogue about the painting, so if it's there, I don't know how to trigger it. (If anyone does, please leave me a hint!) I did, however, coincidentally stumble upon some dialogue Antonia has about the Gold Coin Tree and the Alchemists that I was completely unaware of until now.
To get this dialogue, you need to unlock the Gold Coin Tree (take the lift in the Malum District Town Hall) and then go to Antonia and speak to her. (During my first playthrough, I made the mistake of picking up the portrait in the town hall and turning around as soon as I saw the lift, since I thought it would take me to an unknown area. As a result, I got the conversation where Antonia gives you the key to Rosa Isabelle Street first and ended up missing this one.)
Upon talking to her, you'll get the following dialogue:
Now, this dialogue is very interesting for a variety of reasons, especially since it might support certain lore theories I've seen around. I'll put the more detailed discussion under the cut, since it goes into spoiler territory.
[Spoilers ahead!]
So, the first thing we learn is that Antonia was aware that the tree was there all along - makes sense, considering she also knew about the hidden underground tunnels. In fact, I'd be more surprised if she didn't know it was there, since Antonia knows more about the hotel's secrets than anyone else.
More interestingly, Antonia mentions there was infighting among the Alchemists:
"The Krat Disaster caused the Alchemists to fight amongst themselves. Many people died or went missing. That's the real tragedy of the Rose Estate."
This dialogue has led to the theory that the mysterious Rose Estate incident was a coup instigated by Simon Manus to dispose of Valentinus as a leader, and having seen the full dialogue for the first time now, I feel inclined to agree. Also, I'm not sure, but since Antonia says the "Krat Disaster" is what caused the Alchemists' internal conflict, does that mean the Puppet Frenzy and Petrification Disease outbreak already occurred before the Rose Estate incident?
Regarding the Gold Coin Tree itself, Antonia says it reacts to Ergo somehow - I guess that's why P can pick fruits from it? (But if you need large amounts of Ergo to harvest the fruits, how was the Black Rabbit Brotherhood able to steal them? Then again, they do mention the Gold Coin Fruits aren't easy to get in their notebook…)
From both Antonia and Sophia's accounts, it's obvious that the Alchemists wanted to do something with the Gold Coin Fruits - the question is just exactly what. Perhaps it has something to do with the Saintess of Mercy Statue. The notebook of Alidoro (presuming it was written by the real one) mentions the tree being "used on humans". Could that mean that the fruits can be used with the statue to revive dead people somehow? (I wrote some stuff about that here, and how Giangio/Paracelsus might fit into this.)
Either way, I get the feeling there's more to the lore of the Saintess Statue...
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Saintess of Mercy Statue
LIES OF P (2023) 🦋
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Grand Exhibition - The Saintess of Mercy Statue
#behold the beauty 😌#lies of p#liesofp#lop#liesofpedit#pinocchio#soulslike#dailygaming#gamingedit#videogameedit#gamingnetwork#mine#*lopedit#*gifs
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SAINTESS OF MERCY STATUE ▸ LIES OF P (2023)
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I absolutely love your lore theories for LoP! Very new to the fandom :). Stayed up all night reading your posts abt it whahaha please keep making them!
Just wanted to ask what you think, if Camille was the recorded first puppet with an awakened ego and was Carlo's mom... does that mean Geppetto let his wife be experimented on by the alchemists upon her death or???
Another thought, do you think Sophia knew Geppetto's plans? Given that she reached out to P at the very beginning and called him by name ((geppettos puppet)) She knew Simon's plans yeah. But what abt Geppettos?
Thank you so much for your kind ask!!!
I panicked briefly because I thought I lost this ask somewhere. I have a LOT of thoughts surrounding Camille and parts of the game that I struggle to put together really cohesively, so on certain topics, i'm just going to ramble.
So, there is this image from the opening cutscene.
Maybe it isn't literally Camille and Carlo, but it may be alluding to them. [And what are they shown playing here? dundundun]
There is a particular affinity and focus the game has on the Piano as well.
Music is so linked to humanity in this game, i think it's very sweet.
There was also this really interesting post about the blue fairy (in the og collodi novel) that I don't think I can dig up anymore, but I remember it was something like this. It was pointing out that, realistically, the blue fairy really isn't a good parent. She lets a seven year old child be hanged on a tree, she watches by as he is enslaved; she makes him "work" for the right to be a real boy instead of reasonably granting him it, etc. The blue fairy also appears omniscient or goddess-like, appearing as a child, a young woman, a goat, and a mother (in perhaps her most adapted incarnation).
if Sophia's knowledge is endless, couldn't she have warned us about geppetto? wouldn't she know about carlo (someone she knew as a child) being tortured in a box? was it her discretion to let us suffer, because he needs to be able to suffer to be strong? Does that make her a moral or ethical person? Can any personhood with omniscience, who, in a sense, allows evil to happen, be moral or just? Perhaps, herein lies the philosophical, inherent flaw, in any relationship with an omniscient being, but I digress.
However, I think Sophia's endless knowledge that Arlecchino [sadly I write his name wrong every time] refers to is spiritual, or emotional, in a sense: that because she could manipulate time, all of it was at her disposal. When we wake up in the train car, her words are: "There you are, I've been looking all over for you!" She could not have known where we were, if she was searching for us (possibly through the blue butterfly figure we see). Also, I think she could've warned us about Geppetto.. but maybe then we wouldn't have gone to save her, and her goals are to get us to save her from Simon, which I believe she either says or suggests are "selfish" intentions (although I think she is very well within her right to have tbh). I don't think she is all-knowing in the way that Simon's world of truth would be. Maybe it's just a plot hole, perhaps it's just a "flaw" innate in writing any story with an omniscient character, but I don't think she was omniscient in that fashion.
And then coming back to Camille: One of my absolute favourite things about the game is the Saintess of Mercy Statue/Pieta Motif that we see in the Grand Exhibition. And Camille, who is inferred to have been the mother of Carlo, is said to have engineered the statue. She is directly connected to the game's central visual motif of death and rebirth. And then the statue also being diegetically[not a word apparently?] associated with rebirth and renewal ("Bring new life to puppets") in that you are "re-setting" and re-spec your character's stats there??? Equal parts beautiful and spectacular and touching.
[I feel SO sad that apparently, not every gamer got to see the statue. Opening those doors after the phone call riddle and then the camera panning up to the statue is such an amazing and special moment to me, and then the fact that it's also raining (another symbol of birth) too]
I don't know if the Camille puppet was literally the same Camille (who may have been the wife of Giuseppe), though. We know that she seems to have saved a baby from falling, on which afterwards she says "bring me back to my child". Not only is the Camille puppet a devoted mother character, she's also the first puppet to awaken (in other words, being associated with the idea of birth). "Camille" is so tied to the idea of motherhood and birth, that I think the Camille puppet is another connection here, and may not literally be the same Camille who was a technician. Although, I don't put it past Geppetto to be doing nefarious experiments with puppets, even if it were his wife. It might be a little ominous in regards to his attitude to P, that he doesn't see puppets as "people", but he does see people as puppets.
#lies of p#lop#liesofp#lies of p spoilers#spoiler#pinocchio#ask#chikirya#camille#speculation#blue fairy#sorry i take very long to respond to any engagement thank you again everyone.#spoilers#tw hanging
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It occurred to me how huge the number 3 is in Lies of P... you have the trinity rooms... the game takes place over the course of 3 days (If I remember correctly)... Romeo is comprised of 3... The whole story of "The 3 brothers"... the world was founded on 3's: Craftsmen, Workshop workers, and Alchemists... You get 3 different menu screens...
So I really believe that even our beloved main character is a representative of 3: Mind, Body, and Spirit.
Mind: A mixture of Carlo and P
Body: P
Spirit: Carlo
While technically it wouldn't be 3, we can also think of "mind" as mixing two colors to create a new one. I just think I'm onto something here, in regards to the rule of 3's. I also think it's still accurate, saying he's comprised of these things.
Also with the true ending of the story being a theme of rebirth, it's also incredibly biblical in the sense that... "On the Third Day He Rose Again from the Dead", which only harkens back to the visual we get of having passed out in Sophia's arms, mirroring the saintess of mercy statue, the very statue that Camille, his mother and first to reawaken as a puppet with an ego, created in life before her passing.
Just very interesting and I adore the symbolism they placed around every corner of the game!!
#Lies of P#Lies of P Spoilers#I love and adore how much they hid within flavor text and seemingly pointless items#The symbolism is just perfect!! It was laid out for us from the very beginning with white Stargazers#but the fact that they just added all these beautiful visuals and timing to everything.#God they really did go so deep with this game... I adore it...
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thinking about the tragedy of Camille tonight........
we first hear of her in the Rosa Estella Opera House garden, a somber statue dedicated to her by Geppetto. next, we hear of her through the Saintess of Mercy statue key.
she was likely a close colleague to Geppetto in the Workshop Union, maybe even an equal. and the way Geppetto dedicates a statue to her in the beating heart of Krat makes me think Camille had a love for artistry, and maybe they were more than just colleagues.
then the next time we hear of Camille, it's on a whole different context. this time, she's a puppet. a maid puppet, back when they were in early designs.
"Her appearance and identity" is an odd phrasing, for an engineer to a maid, so I'm assuming they mean her given name. now, this is early in the creation of puppets, and some lore leads me to believe using Ergo to power them came later in their design. Camille was probably one of the first Ergo-powered puppets.
i got very little to go off on, but from what we've seen in game with Polendina, Pulcinella and P, is that puppets usually gain an ego in response to an emotional external event. their heart literally reaches out and awakens from dormancy. for Camille, i think the baby she saved was Carlo himself, her own son, who's the one she calls for once the alchemists steal her away.
it would make sense for Geppetto to have a history of turning people into puppets prior to Carlo, and for him to have some weird ass priorities. or maybe he thought work on a maid puppet meant she could spend time around Carlo without rising suspicion?
regardless, i also think Geppetto's idea of bringing a puppet to life came from Camille herself. when we investigate the Hotel Krat library, Gemini talks about the story of the mischievous puppet, and that Krat knows of it thanks to one person who loved it more than anyone else.
the fandom pictures that person is Carlo but I doubt it. he's just some guy who spent a lot of time in the Malum District and was as good as any other orphan turned stalker in Krat, he had no influence to stir an entire city about a single story he liked.
but Camille could.
she was an influential figure, enough to be commissioned by alchemists and other workshop workers, close to a master inventor that helped to revolutionize the entire city. and if you go to the Saintess of Mercy statue, it reads:
i don't know about you but "who dreams of a new life" screams of the Pinocchio tale, a wooden puppet seeking to become real. i dare even say that Geppetto started working on puppets solely to bring Camille back, or at least honor her in some way.
#lies of p#lies of p meta#lies of p lore#lies of p spoilers#liesofp#pardal rambles#THE LORE IS MAKING ME FERAL HRBFHAVDGDVGAVFJWDNAB
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Saintess of Mercy Statue
#I love this freaking place so much and the vibe#you all have no idea how many screenshots ive taken of this place#say hello to my desktop bg#dm me if you want a larger version#lies of p
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okay, theory time dudes... i saw a lot of people, specially on youtube, saying p would be actually the tin man. if it wasn't for literally everything else in the game, including his nose getting bigger in his shadow, the entire lore being about him becoming "more human" with his lies, i would believe it.
i actually think that the tin man is that puppet he found in grand exhibition in 'the saintess of mercy statue'. gemini even says something about "giving life to an old puppet", this puppet being made of gold nothing like geppetto's ones.
it's a long shot but i kept thinking about it for quite some time now.
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XUE YU (薛妤) - SAINTESS & CROWN PRINCESS OF YEDU, SECOND OF SIX HOLY REALMS - A-Yu, to her companions, Dianxia / Nulang to her attendants, Yu Yu to those who love her most
There was a time when Xue Yu was nothing more than a careless little girl, held up in the palms of her father's hands like a treasure, a child that need not see storms or anything but peace and freedom in her life. That was before her father became the ruler of Yedu after his brother's unexpected death, and she became the heiress to the holy realm. Yedu is the second of six holy realms, one of three forces (mortal, immortal and demon) in the known world tasked with the persecution of evil - specifically the jurisdictions over crimes committed by those that cultivated or else had some supernatural power. The little girl grew up in an instant - she was a princess, a future empress, and on her shoulders were the lives of not just the people of Yedu but that of every living creature in the holy realms, the mortal realm, the demon realms and otherwise. She was very aware of her duty, very aware of what she needed to become.
Xue Yu was already clever, and she became powerful quickly. As an immortal focusing cultivation toward spiritual arrays, her physical body was naturally weaker - but she continued to throw herself headfirst into difficult challenges and forcefully trained her body to heal without the use of elixirs. Regardless of the labeled difficulty level, she took missions from the fate book, an extension of universal destiny that rewarded completion of such missions to the various Holy Realms and their participants. She developed her own standing in her father's court and began to deal with affairs of Yedu on top of that, frequently as its representative. She never spoke of her difficulties to anyone, nor usually asked for any help, preferring to grit her teeth through pain and exhaustion and aiming to become a dependable and efficient ruler. By the time she became a young woman, her peers and her hand-picked attendants, bar few, could really keep up with her in cultivation or the lightning way she settled affairs.
Though she doesn't believe herself to be a particularly sympathetic or merciful goddess, Xue Yu believed in trying to understand all the circumstances of a case. That is, after all - her job. She also, while knowing the world could not be that way, acts as much as she could to exchange kindness for kindness and sincerity for sincerity. She is a bit wooden, however - a bit distant, a bit removed, a bit cool, a lot blunt - someone people did not instinctively want to gravitate toward or found likeable. She spent most of her time on work and cultivation and rarely had time for much else.
Despite her status as an immortal and a cultivator of the "righteous" path - Xue Yu did not hate demons, fae, or any other immortal being that fell under her jurisdiction and the jurisdiction of the holy realms. She didn't see differences as evils or distinguish "sides" between the different creatures of the world, seeking to persecute wrong and injustice, and that only. She could not preside over mortals, cultivators or not, as that power belonged solely to mortal kings - but she doesn't take kindly to the oppression of innocent demons either, dealing punishment to immortals who have done such a thing. Her own entourage is made up of an eclectic mix of attendants, some of whom she collects when she runs into them on her missions out to the mortal world. It makes her unpopular amongst her peers, a great portion of whom have their prejudices set already.
In the previous life, a mortal cultivator she pardoned from the stand of judgment of Yihe, first of the holy realms, became the king of immortals after her help teaching, honing talents and raising him up. They cared for each other - and then he betrayed her, but worse than that - betrayed her ideals, used the life and powers he obtained with her help to seal away the Demon Realm and its hundreds of thousands of inhabitants away forever. In trying to defeat him so that she might break the seal open, she accidentally triggers the fate book, which sends them backwards in time to a point prior to their first meeting. Betrayal is a crime against her own person that she couldn't forgive. This time she does not pardon him but a different prisoner. Someone else does, however, and determined to stop the mortal cultivator and keep him from the path he claims is right, she starts her life over again.
#𝐗𝐔𝐄 𝐘𝐔 : 神女#((call this a bio drop))#((fjslafjsafjl;af))#((anyway i love her))#((it's been 50 chaptesr an i woul di efor her))((#(9FJ;ASJFL;SF))#((it's funny bc i don't think this book even has a translateable english title that's how obscure im going))#(9BUT FJSALFJS;LF))#((shhh love me))#((i didn'tw ant to mention the time travel but smth smth i have to explain the trust issues SOMEHOW))#((mayhap i will post some excerpts later this is such a weirdLY UNIQUE CHARACTER))
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Tearful Collection #9: Priest‘s Confession
Narrator: I, the high priest of Delmond, crouch in front of the statue of God to make the last prayer.
Narrator: In the sound of the tide that devoured everything, Arionus remained silent. I finally understood this was not a blessing but a curse.
Narrator: I should have known that the rise and fall of mankind is nothing in the eyes of the moody Arionus. I shouldn’t have borrowed the power of a god so easily.
Narrator: It was I who summoned Arionus in the name of salvation, failed to stop the greed, and ignored the hesitation from my deep heart as I saw the saintess’ tears.
Narrator: Krista, I took advantage of that kind but unfortunate girl.
Narrator: I recalled her glittering tears on the snow, her devotion to asceticism in the tower, and her running out of the tower with that young man.
Narrator: The figure rushing to freedom was so impressive that I stopped the guards who intended to pursue her. That might be the only thing I did right.
Narrator: I once believed that it’s just to sacrifice one person for the happiness of a whole kingdom. I was wrong. I have realized it now, but it’s too late.
Narrator: The arrival of the end brings me relief because at long last I don’t have to live in fear for my sins.
Narrator: The boulder rolled down to my feet, and the flood quickly reached the highest step. The eternal crescent moon hung alone above the storm.
High Priest: May God forgive my arrogance and greed.
High Priest: May God be merciful to Delmond.
Narrator: After finishing the last prayer, I did not hesitate to insert the dagger into my chest.
Narrator: The glaring red and gloomy black enveloped me, and the blood and torrent buried me.
Narrator: I will always be there with Delmond bearing all the sins and punishments and waiting for the day when dawn comes again.
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Chapter 4: Saint
Narrated by Krista.
Narrator: When I woke up again, I had no idea where I was.
Narrator: It was a cramped and gloomy space. Only the accessories of my dress shone under the flickering candlelight.
Narrator: When I tried to move my body, I heard the dull sound of metal clanking from nearby.
Narrator: Several cold chains weighed heavily on my body, binding my legs and trapping me.
Narrator: Darkness was like a nightmare, suffocating me as I looked around cautiously.
Narrator: Cold, cramped, no warm fire, no food. Even though there was no wind either, the chill still pierced through my bones, and there was no was escaping it.
Narrator: Back when the famine struck and my parents died, I had to curl up in the corner of a broken house, but at least I could seek warmth from my memories.
Narrator: But now I was all alone in an unknown environment, surrounded by this debilitating sense of loneliness.
Narrator: The church, the statues, the High Priest, the disciples... Was that all just a dream?
Narrator: Just as I began to doubt my own memory, a pang of needling pain gripped my heart and the familiar voice rang in my ears again.
Narrator: It was the same harrowing voice I heard when the High Priest intoned the incantation. This time I heard what it was saying.
Mysterious Voice: It’s so cold here. The fire is out. We’re out of coal and anything that can be burned.
Mysterious Voice: I’m so hungry, sister...
Mysterious Voice: Please, merciful God, send down your blessings. Save us. Save Delmond!
Mysterious Voice: God is not coming for us! He’s abandoned Delmond!
Mysterious Voice: Will spring... ever return?
Mysterious Voice: Honey, come on, eat. Mom and Dad have already eaten.
Narrator: That was the last thing I heard, my mother’s words.
Narrator: But now I know that she lied. They gave me their last remaining food and left me alone in this world.
Narrator: The overwhelming sadness came over me and I could barely breathe. It was the same kind of despair felt by Delmond, by every unfortunate soul like me.
Narrator: I was in enormous pain that I couldn’t even make a sound even if I tried, let alone utter a word.
Narrator: I lowered my head silently and let tears fill my eyes.
Narrator: Too much crying in the cold wind had made my skin so sensitive that whenever tears ran down my cheeks, my face stung and hurt.
Narrator: This time, the pain was even more acute. Every teardrop running down my face cut me like a knife.
Narrator: In a daze, I stretched out my hand and let a teardrop fall on my palm.
Narrator: Just like that time on the cold, windy street, it condensed into something like an ice crystal.
Narrator: But it wasn’t an ice crystal... my tears turned into shiny gems!
Narrator: One drop, two drops... Tears kept falling on my palm, turning into one gem after another.
Narrator: Some gems were as blue as the sky in spring of Delmond, some as green as the meadows in Delmond’s outskirts, some as red as the blood of Delmond’s people...
Narrator: The whole Delmond was in my palm as these colorful lights.
Narrator: Despite the cold biting at my body and the teardrops stinging my face, my heart was filled with an unspeakable joy.
Narrator: I began to realize that this was not an illusion. The deal I made with the High Priest was now in effect, and its meaning was becoming clear to me.
High Priest: Ladies and gentlemen, I now introduce you the saintess who has descended upon Delmond, a gift from Arionus.
Narrator: The High Priest’s ethereal voice suddenly sounded from the darkness.
Narrator: With that, several cloaked figures emerged from the shadow, gathered around me, and prostrated themselves on the ground.
Narrator: Chanting and praying like the pious disciples they were.
Prayers: God bless Delmond!
Narrator: I gripped the gems harder. Then without any hesitation, I open my palm and handing the glittering gems to the people around me.
Narrator: These gems were the hope of Delmond. They would be the currency to trade with neighboring countries for food, clothing, and seeds for the coming year.
Narrator: They would bring happiness to every Delmond citizen.
Choose either “Maybe” or “Tears will not bring happiness to Delmond.”
If “maybe,” ...
You: Maybe. Maybe Delmond will regain its happiness, but you will be condemned to eternal suffering.
If “not,” ...
You: I don’t believe this country’s happiness has to depend on your misery.
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Narrator: That doesn’t bother me.
Narrator: As long as I keep crying, as long as I willingly endure the pain and suffering...
Narrator: Delmond will be happy.
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
#krista#shining nikki#saint#saintess#chapter 4#pigeon#pigeon kingdom#transcript#midnight tears#misery#suffering#delmond#teardrops#tears#loneliness
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