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So, I noticed that people tend to notice P is not human, not from the way he looks, but from the way he sounds.
I can hear your springs even if you try to hide them. We musicians have a keen ear, you know. (White lady)
I hear the sound of springs inside you... You're a puppet too! (The Survivor)
[btw I'm going to be paraphrasing quotes and details from memory so I can get this out rather rapidly, so my apologies if they're somewhat incorrect]
Claudia and Lucio give no indication that they know about P not being human. Up until mid-game, they only really treat him as another stalker to con. The black rabbit brotherhood seem to know, but mainly because they know we're specifically "Geppetto's puppet."
I think that Claudia and Lucio find out because they either hear the brotherhood during the fight or Simon tells them as much, because Lucio calls us a "goddamn talking rag-doll" before he attacks us if you choose to fight.
The Black Rabbit Brotherhood and their connection to Carlo
And speaking of which - the brotherhood seems to know immediately that we are "Geppetto's puppet". Which makes me wonder... they seem to have known Carlo or known of Carlo while he was alive, which is probably how they put two and two together and guessed the obvious conclusion of how we came to be, which is the case with Antonia:
Oh, I knew you were Geppetto's puppet the moment I saw you (Antonia)
Is that Tenma's boy? >
It can't be Tenma's boy.
Holy cow, Tenma must have lost his mind (From Astro Boy 2009)
They also have Carlo's painting and the gravesite which is guessed to perhaps contain Carlo's empty grave has the mark of the black rabbit brotherhood on it. Geppetto also says he had no idea the BRB had stolen the painting.
A child who was a blessing to their family lies here. May he rest in peace. (Malum grave)
[Also I'm wildin now but korean pronouns are usually non-gender specific, so maybe it wasn't a "he" originally? this throws a whole bunch of other things into question though which I actually really don't like]
So, I thought of ways that ALL of these things could be true: That this IS carlo's grave in the malum district (which is strange because why would an aristocratic son be buried in Malum), the grave is empty because Carlo's body is still in the suitcase, the brb mark on his grave makes sense, AND the BRB having the painting is more than just a coincidence.
I have the most bizarre headcanon now. The BRB are a bunch of awful thugs for issuing "protection fees", but still, what IF:
They seem very hostile to us, particularly because we are a puppet, but maybe also because of our resemblance to Carlo - not because they resented him, but because Carlo was dear to them somehow. And the empty grave in the district was set up by them privately to commemorate his death when they heard what happened, (and the "family" they are referring to are themselves!). It's also worth noting that in the original story, The rabbits are aligned with the blue fairy (which would be Sophia in this iteration). [They're also associated with coffins and graves.]
I had no idea the black rabbit brotherhood had stolen it. (Geppetto on the painting)
The black rabbit brotherhood! I hate these guys. <- Gemini immediately remembers them. [They also appear very early on in the game, I guess to show they were watching us?]
So maybe their resentment and disgust for P comes from the fact that they know Geppetto has made an artificial replica of someone they knew into something they hated (puppets!), which they would see as repulsive. Perhaps there's an actual reason why the BRB has the painting. What exactly went down at the monad charity house?
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[The BRB knowing about Carlo doesn't mean they personally knew Carlo (since Geppetto must've been famous), but it's something. The thing is, both Eugenie and Venigni don't seem to recognize who we're "supposed" to be at all, even Venigni who is said to have been a close colleague to Geppetto. Maybe Eugenie and Venigni are just super polite and don't want to mention Carlo at all to us, but I kinda get the feeling that the public never really knew Carlo existed, Geppetto did dump him off at a boarding school early on after all]
[also also!! the golden stargazer next to the grave for DLC, Carlo being associated with ships, and the DLC showing a nautical theme?]
#I THINK THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE TRUE NOW WTF#THIS MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE#and the blue bloods coat that P is 'officially' wearing is the prized uniform of#'THE BASTARDS' ???#spoilers#speculation#theory
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So, I noticed that people tend to notice P is not human, not from the way he looks, but from the way he sounds.
I can hear your springs even if you try to hide them. We musicians have a keen ear, you know. (White lady)
I hear the sound of springs inside you... You're a puppet too! (The Survivor)
[btw I'm going to be paraphrasing quotes and details from memory so I can get this out rather rapidly, so my apologies if they're somewhat incorrect]
Claudia and Lucio give no indication that they know about P not being human. Up until mid-game, they only really treat him as another stalker to con. The black rabbit brotherhood seem to know, but mainly because they know we're specifically "Geppetto's puppet."
I think that Claudia and Lucio find out because they either hear the brotherhood during the fight or Simon tells them as much, because Lucio calls us a "goddamn talking rag-doll" before he attacks us if you choose to fight.
The Black Rabbit Brotherhood and their connection to Carlo
And speaking of which - the brotherhood seems to know immediately that we are "Geppetto's puppet". Which makes me wonder... they seem to have known Carlo or known of Carlo while he was alive, which is probably how they put two and two together and guessed the obvious conclusion of how we came to be, which is the case with Antonia:
Oh, I knew you were Geppetto's puppet the moment I saw you (Antonia)
Is that Tenma's boy? >
It can't be Tenma's boy.
Holy cow, Tenma must have lost his mind (From Astro Boy 2009)
They also have Carlo's painting and the gravesite which is guessed to perhaps contain Carlo's empty grave has the mark of the black rabbit brotherhood on it. Geppetto also says he had no idea the BRB had stolen the painting.
A child who was a blessing to their family lies here. May he rest in peace. (Malum grave)
[Also I'm wildin now but korean pronouns are usually non-gender specific, so maybe it wasn't a "he" originally? this throws a whole bunch of other things into question though which I actually really don't like]
So, I thought of ways that ALL of these things could be true: That this IS carlo's grave in the malum district (which is strange because why would an aristocratic son be buried in Malum), the grave is empty because Carlo's body is still in the suitcase, the brb mark on his grave makes sense, AND the BRB having the painting is more than just a coincidence.
I have the most bizarre headcanon now. The BRB are a bunch of awful thugs for issuing "protection fees", but still, what IF:
They seem very hostile to us, particularly because we are a puppet, but maybe also because of our resemblance to Carlo - not because they resented him, but because Carlo was dear to them somehow. And the empty grave in the district was set up by them privately to commemorate his death when they heard what happened, (and the "family" they are referring to are themselves!). It's also worth noting that in the original story, The rabbits are aligned with the blue fairy (which would be Sophia in this iteration). [They're also associated with coffins and graves.]
I had no idea the black rabbit brotherhood had stolen it. (Geppetto on the painting)
The black rabbit brotherhood! I hate these guys. <- Gemini immediately remembers them. [They also appear very early on in the game, I guess to show they were watching us?]
So maybe their resentment and disgust for P comes from the fact that they know Geppetto has made an artificial replica of someone they knew into something they hated (puppets!), which they would see as repulsive. Perhaps there's an actual reason why the BRB has the painting. What exactly went down at the monad charity house?
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[The BRB knowing about Carlo doesn't mean they personally knew Carlo (since Geppetto must've been famous), but it's something. The thing is, both Eugenie and Venigni don't seem to recognize who we're "supposed" to be at all, even Venigni who is said to have been a close colleague to Geppetto. Maybe Eugenie and Venigni are just super polite and don't want to mention Carlo at all to us, but I kinda get the feeling that the public never really knew Carlo existed, Geppetto did dump him off at a boarding school early on after all]
[also also!! the golden stargazer next to the grave for DLC, Carlo being associated with ships, and the DLC showing a nautical theme?]
#look away theres BRB apologia here#lies of p#liesofp#lop#spoilers#lies of p spoilers#carlo#brb#black rabbit brotherhood#pinocchio#theory#more crack theory#speculation#btw i also love that they bring out a coffin for us to get into and WE END UP PUTTING ONE OF THEM IN IT INSTEAD#lore
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I'm also wondering if maybe these moments in time are physically manifesting themselves externally due to their proximity to Carlo's heart (which we later find we possess), and Pino isn't actually remembering anything during the black beach segment. Whereas in the second phase of the nameless fight he seems to be recalling moments internally, which also lends more credence to the "Pino isn't Carlo" interpretation (and wraps together well thematically imo)
The “error” in the sand.
When Carlo’s body is found, his RIGHT ARM is buried. Not the left.
Because he’s facing up, you can see his feet.
Maybe it's just an error, (just like how Carlo still has freckles if you load the game in after credits without starting NG+, because they use the same model as Pino to make Carlo, "in reality", he doesn't seem to have them). but it seems like a strange error to make.
[Ergo, as Sophia explains, is the freezing of time. These memories cannot lie. Interpretably, Ergo is truth itself]
Remember, Simon speaks of some important relic being stolen by Geppetto. It’s likely the arm of god which is the LEFT ARM.
Nameless puppet (Carlo's body?) is also missing the left arm.
Going back to the sand figure, it looks like the arm is buried and not missing. Only visually is it the left arm (Carlo’s right)
Perhaps this “error” is to tell us that Carlo was NOT missing his arm at the point of his death?
[Remember, Ergo can’t lie]
So Geppetto had to have taken it off.
Here’s another fun thing, Pino’s LEFT arm is “buried” here, under the water, like Carlo’s RIGHT arm is.
also: Nameless puppet.
In the NP cutscene, there's a shot with a particular focus on his legs.
When Carlo appears in the "bad ending", his legs appear into frame first.
But if his legs were seemingly restored, why wasn’t his left arm? It's the only thing that wasn’t visibly restored.
Did Geppetto hack it off a second time for the mechanical arm?
Why the particular fixation on the left arm? One-winged angel? Arm of God? Simon Manus?
Left-handedness has a particular symbolism in society
(it appears Carlo's healthy hand that appears out of the suitcase is his right hand. Don't know if it means anything)
Again, could just be an error, or coincidence.
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Geppetto vs. Geppetto vs. Geppetto
David Bradley; dir. Guillermo del Toro
Nicolas Cage; dir. David Bowers
Anthony Howell; dir. Jiwon Choi
#I know that giuseppe technically accepts him as his son in the LOP Rise ending?? but to me that apology is ambiguous#sorry for what? for destroying krat? for everything? for using you? for trying to rip the heart out of your chest?#also yaaayyy director choi joins the board!! lol#btw i dont care what people said back then astro boy 2009 was a good movie T_T#although i am baffled that maybe they thought toby being MOLECULARLY VAPORIZED was somehow better than him being in a car accident??#tw car accident#pinocchio#guillermo del toro pinocchio#gdt pinocchio#astro boy#astro boy 2009#geppetto#geppettoposting will not stop#toby tenma#dr tenma#umataro tenma#lies of p#liesofp#spoilers#media exploring the father-son relationship.#movies#video games#astro boy (2009)
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more inner machinations of the most brilliant and advanced AI ever conceived
also P after witnessing romeos entire puppet play: Who cares lol
#lies of p#HES THINKING REAL HARD GUYS. HES PROCESSING UNFATHOMABLY COMPLEX LINES OF CODE AS WE SPEAK#our brand new dumbass#our handsome idiot#hes coming to take all of our jobs#liesofp
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VOTE for LIES OF P at The Webby Awards!
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Remembering that we could've gotten Commando P if Director Choi wasn't absolutely adamant on making a pretty protagonist
Q. Earlier in front of the booth I met a German guy who analyzes games based on psychology, and he said something I hadn't thought of. "Looks like the pretty-boy [Mishonyun KR/Bishounen in japanese] is popular. This pretty-boy is going to be a worldwide popular pretty-boy." He made this observation, did you think about this strategically when capturing the character?
A. (Choi) Actually, that's true. The truth is, during development PD Park [note: Jason Park, Round8 Studio Head] kept saying, "We have to make characters a bit more muscular, somewhat Commando-like, for a western audience," but I said, "Absolutely not. Any piece of media, whether it's a piece of entertainment or a cultural work, if it has a female fanbase, is automatically a success. Because of this it should firstly be a game that can be consumed by female fans."
Because, usually in soulslike games, the main character is not necessarily friendly to female fans. But because we had such a concept we can somewhat say that it was designed with this in mind.
(Park) You didn't listen to me. I think it's coming out great because you didn't listen to me.
[Please note, this is only a fan translation]
[So, I actually spent a bit of time deliberating over the ethics of the degrees of adding my own interpretations to translation posts. I want to translate things in a way that is somewhat fair. I think what he means by appealing to a female audience is appealing; but AS IN, they wanted a protagonist that maybe wasn't traditionally hyper-masculine (you know, like john videogame) that female players might want to play as. I don't know, I just feel like something like this may be important to clarify. The art team also mention that they weren't necessarily trying to design "pretty" characters. But again, this is more of a personal observation.]
[Please inbox for corrections/clarification]
#reposting this cuz this belongs in some kind of LOP hall of fame#lies of p#lop bts#lop irl#translation#interview#liesofp
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Look, P, I know it's our job to help this guy and everything, but I think this guy is a lost cause. He's obviously made up his mind, why don't we just cut our losses, and get out of here?
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also, maybe this is just me being crazy again, but isn't pino's pose here oddly reminiscent of Carlo's death in the sand?
One arm up, One arm buried, on his back, the swords being planted next to him?
I went and searched up a video of it, and Looking very closely at the figure, it's impossible to tell if Carlo is looking left or right or straight. I wanted to see if he was "looking" at the extended arm like pino is in that picture.
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The “error” in the sand.
When Carlo’s body is found, his RIGHT ARM is buried. Not the left.
Because he’s facing up, you can see his feet.
Maybe it's just an error, (just like how Carlo still has freckles if you load the game in after credits without starting NG+, because they use the same model as Pino to make Carlo, "in reality", he doesn't seem to have them). but it seems like a strange error to make.
[Ergo, as Sophia explains, is the freezing of time. These memories cannot lie. Interpretably, Ergo is truth itself]
Remember, Simon speaks of some important relic being stolen by Geppetto. It’s likely the arm of god which is the LEFT ARM.
Nameless puppet (Carlo's body?) is also missing the left arm.
Going back to the sand figure, it looks like the arm is buried and not missing. Only visually is it the left arm (Carlo’s right)
Perhaps this “error” is to tell us that Carlo was NOT missing his arm at the point of his death?
[Remember, Ergo can’t lie]
So Geppetto had to have taken it off.
Here’s another fun thing, Pino’s LEFT arm is “buried” here, under the water, like Carlo’s RIGHT arm is.
also: Nameless puppet.
In the NP cutscene, there's a shot with a particular focus on his legs.
When Carlo appears in the "bad ending", his legs appear into frame first.
But if his legs were seemingly restored, why wasn’t his left arm? It's the only thing that wasn’t visibly restored.
Did Geppetto hack it off a second time for the mechanical arm?
Why the particular fixation on the left arm? One-winged angel? Arm of God? Simon Manus?
Left-handedness has a particular symbolism in society
(it appears Carlo's healthy hand that appears out of the suitcase is his right hand. Don't know if it means anything)
Again, could just be an error, or coincidence.
#lies of p#lies of p spoilers#spoilers#speculation#lop#spoiler#theory#the left hand obsession continues#there's other left/right symbolism in the game too btw i plan on posting about it#carlo#lies of p carlo#hmmge
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Some more Lies of P translation notes!
Some cool translation details that I thought were fun that didn't fit anywhere else.
[long!]
[Spoilers]
In the Korean version, Geppetto is speaking an "old-fashioned"/archaic form of Korean to reflect the time period that the game is set in
Set around the turn of the century (late 1800s), mimicking the Belle Époque of France's industrial revolution, we can guess that the game's events take place during the late 1800s. Given Geppetto's status as "old geezer", we can guess that he's closer to 100 than not, so he would have been born around the early 1800s. I might not be completely accurate - basically, he's speaking as an elderly person might speak in current time to culturally reflect his age; other times I notice he's using some words that are now out of use.
From the game's initial trailer:
깨어나거라, 아들아.
이제 이 아비를 기쁘게 해다오.
Wake up, son.
Make this father happy/proud.
The word he uses for "father" is "Abi" (아비), which is an archaic word for "father". In current day, korean speakers would generally use "Abeoji" (아버지).
The -gura(거라)/-DaOh(다오) conjugation is also an additional syllable that has since fallen out of use, or is considered archaic, in current korean:
아들아, 네 심장을 다오.
Son, give me your heart.
하지만 알아 다오, 나는 너도 사랑했단다.
But know this, I loved you too.
English VA version: In my own way, I grew to love you.
This is also apparent in Geppetto's final letter at the end:
우릴 방해할 자는 이제 없을 거란다.
너를 위한 크라트를 다시 만들어주마. (-juma, Supposedly, only a "superior" speaker can use -juma)
그때까지 호텔에 조심해서 머물러 다오.
너를 누구보다도 아끼는 아버지가.
He also uses the -Oh ending again. (although he does call himself "Abeoji" 아버지 here and not "abi" like the trailer. He uses "Abi" again in another instance when responding to a guesture)
It's a very cool detail to me. I think it's a bit missed opportunity that, as far as I know, the english version doesn't seem to reflect this! Although to be fair, I'm struggling to imagine how they would. 19th century english/french maybe isn't as different or isn't different in the same ways from "modern" english that 19th century Korean would be from "modern" Korean. [Well, my only education on this stuff is from watching episodes of Dae Jang Geum]. I haven't checked to see if any other character (like Antonia) speaks this way. [Pls message me if Geppetto also speaks like this in your or any other language version!!]
Lies of P, Blood, puns, and the P-Organ
The P-Organ, in Korean, is referred to as the P기관. 기관 (gi-gwan), however, doesn't necessarily correlate directly to the word "Organ": It's quite an interesting word to choose because it can refer to any system of moving parts, both organic or mechanical; and it can mean an organ, a machine, or even a governmental body or institute.
As you may have heard by now, the game's titular pun revolves around the fact that the english character for P sounds the word for "blood" in korean (피), making the title (P의 거짓 P-ie Geojit?) read like Lies of Blood, in a nutshell. The title Lies of Blood then fits into the becoming-real flesh-and-blood themes of the game, perhaps also suggests that the deception in Krat has cost the lives of many - and, of course, references the lying of the titular character, who is inferred to be none other than (P)inocchio! So, in Korean, the P-Organ (P기관) becomes something like the Blood Engine. Which rather sounds like a euphemism for a heart!
[Perhaps: It's also a bit of narrative that Geppetto refuses to refer to it as our heart, unless he refers to it as belonging to Carlo.]
In English, this wordplay no longer exists, and so it's rather awkwardly literally translated (as the P-Organ).
How do you say, "NEOWIZ"?
I've seen a few people ask about the pronunciation of NEOWIZ (Lies' publishing company). Hangul is phonetic, so you could (technically) say the official pronunciation of NEOWIZ (네오위즈) is Nae-Oh Wiz and not Neo (like the Matrix character) -wiz.
However [in my opinion], I don't think this matters, because when something is translated to another language, it often takes the pronunciation of the language it is read in. Kind of like how in english you would read the capital of France correctly as Paris (with an S sound at the end), and not "Pari" (french pronunciation).
Also, Krat is consistently pronounced by in-game characters as "Krot" (Long O, rhymes with "Cot" or "Not") in the english version. In the game korean releases, "Krat" is written as 크라트, which would be pronounced and read as "Krat" (short A, rhymes with "Rat" or "Cat").
[I think the devs also say "Krat" too. The rounder "O" pronunciation of "A" in words seem like more of a European pronunciation in general]
The "Youngest of the Black Rabbit Brotherhood" and Gender
In Korean culture, Age is particularly significant in both Korean social hierarchy and language, and the role/position of being the youngest in a group is a particular role known as being the "maknae" (I mean, I definitely think this also exists in the western world, people definitely would understand being the "youngest" one in your family, but it's slightly different from that).
Despite being a member of the brotherhood, she refers to her brothers as "Oppa", which is when the word "brother" is used by female speakers to an older male subject (Remember Gangnam style?) [A male speaker would use "Hyung". I debated putting this one in, because to me, it seemed kind of obvious, but I did see others asking about this.]
[Given that the developers are from a korean studio, I am choosing to believe that the subtitles provided by the game's "korean" version are the text/script as originally written intended by the developers!]
#YES so carlo would have to use really formal/polite speech with geppetto#the fact that he called him a “kkat neulgeuni” BROOOOO HE WILDIN
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One of the coolest things I've ever found about the game!! -
Looks like some of the carcass SFX were actually done by a korean death metal artist!! -
instagram
They are credited as You Da Hee of The Next Generation Tyrant under External Development Support: Sound.
Their instagram here:
instagram
#she is seriously WAY too cool guys ngl#lies of p#lop#liesofp#lop irl#lop devs#lop bts#lop news#instagram#metal#screamo#note: it is only my assumption that it was used for the carcass sfx specifically. their instagram post does not mention this#death metal#apologies if i mischaracterize a genre. i am trying to speak in very broad terms and i think its screamo/metal?? not sure#Instagram
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i loved his expression here.
so placid but still so emotional.
he always has such a subdued reaction to everything, especially the moment on the bridge after killing the stalker. even when he sees sophias state hes being quiet about it. i think the nameless puppet fight is when that stoicism finally starts to break
#me when P is literally just like ._. : “omg P looks so sad inside!!”#its about the framing of the scene tho#i always thought you can tell the difficult emotions brewing underneath#lies of p#lies of p spoilers#lop
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I absolutely love your lore theories for LoP! Very new to the fandom :). Stayed up all night reading your posts abt it whahaha please keep making them!
Just wanted to ask what you think, if Camille was the recorded first puppet with an awakened ego and was Carlo's mom... does that mean Geppetto let his wife be experimented on by the alchemists upon her death or???
Another thought, do you think Sophia knew Geppetto's plans? Given that she reached out to P at the very beginning and called him by name ((geppettos puppet)) She knew Simon's plans yeah. But what abt Geppettos?
Thank you so much for your kind ask!!!
I panicked briefly because I thought I lost this ask somewhere. I have a LOT of thoughts surrounding Camille and parts of the game that I struggle to put together really cohesively, so on certain topics, i'm just going to ramble.
So, there is this image from the opening cutscene.
Maybe it isn't literally Camille and Carlo, but it may be alluding to them. [And what are they shown playing here? dundundun]
There is a particular affinity and focus the game has on the Piano as well.
Music is so linked to humanity in this game, i think it's very sweet.
There was also this really interesting post about the blue fairy (in the og collodi novel) that I don't think I can dig up anymore, but I remember it was something like this. It was pointing out that, realistically, the blue fairy really isn't a good parent. She lets a seven year old child be hanged on a tree, she watches by as he is enslaved; she makes him "work" for the right to be a real boy instead of reasonably granting him it, etc. The blue fairy also appears omniscient or goddess-like, appearing as a child, a young woman, a goat, and a mother (in perhaps her most adapted incarnation).
if Sophia's knowledge is endless, couldn't she have warned us about geppetto? wouldn't she know about carlo (someone she knew as a child) being tortured in a box? was it her discretion to let us suffer, because he needs to be able to suffer to be strong? Does that make her a moral or ethical person? Can any personhood with omniscience, who, in a sense, allows evil to happen, be moral or just? Perhaps, herein lies the philosophical, inherent flaw, in any relationship with an omniscient being, but I digress.
However, I think Sophia's endless knowledge that Arlecchino [sadly I write his name wrong every time] refers to is spiritual, or emotional, in a sense: that because she could manipulate time, all of it was at her disposal. When we wake up in the train car, her words are: "There you are, I've been looking all over for you!" She could not have known where we were, if she was searching for us (possibly through the blue butterfly figure we see). Also, I think she could've warned us about Geppetto.. but maybe then we wouldn't have gone to save her, and her goals are to get us to save her from Simon, which I believe she either says or suggests are "selfish" intentions (although I think she is very well within her right to have tbh). I don't think she is all-knowing in the way that Simon's world of truth would be. Maybe it's just a plot hole, perhaps it's just a "flaw" innate in writing any story with an omniscient character, but I don't think she was omniscient in that fashion.
And then coming back to Camille: One of my absolute favourite things about the game is the Saintess of Mercy Statue/Pieta Motif that we see in the Grand Exhibition. And Camille, who is inferred to have been the mother of Carlo, is said to have engineered the statue. She is directly connected to the game's central visual motif of death and rebirth. And then the statue also being diegetically[not a word apparently?] associated with rebirth and renewal ("Bring new life to puppets") in that you are "re-setting" and re-spec your character's stats there??? Equal parts beautiful and spectacular and touching.
[I feel SO sad that apparently, not every gamer got to see the statue. Opening those doors after the phone call riddle and then the camera panning up to the statue is such an amazing and special moment to me, and then the fact that it's also raining (another symbol of birth) too]
I don't know if the Camille puppet was literally the same Camille (who may have been the wife of Giuseppe), though. We know that she seems to have saved a baby from falling, on which afterwards she says "bring me back to my child". Not only is the Camille puppet a devoted mother character, she's also the first puppet to awaken (in other words, being associated with the idea of birth). "Camille" is so tied to the idea of motherhood and birth, that I think the Camille puppet is another connection here, and may not literally be the same Camille who was a technician. Although, I don't put it past Geppetto to be doing nefarious experiments with puppets, even if it were his wife. It might be a little ominous in regards to his attitude to P, that he doesn't see puppets as "people", but he does see people as puppets.
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Real boy
tried to 'paint'.
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P and Dorothy
I'm looking forward to the Wizard of Oz DLC 👀 ❤️
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