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drconstellation · 2 months

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First-Order Archangels

Part 3: Seeing Eye to Eye

Part 1: Maybe You'll See An Archangel Part 2: Foils of War

This is a topic I've wanted to address for some time (ha!) concerning a discussion around Jim's moments of lilac-eyed possessed prophecy and Crowley not wearing his sunglasses around Jim inside the bookshop in S2. I've had rough thoughts about what's going on at these times, but because its more of a sub-textural implication, rather than being overtly stated I guess I've hesitated somewhat and wanted to think it through properly first. Then I started writing this, and as I starting checking things, one thing led to another...and it's tripled in size. Enjoy the juicy long length!

I've decided to included this meta as part of the First-Order Archangel series as it will focus on Gabriel and Crowley, and their connection with time and prophecy. Both of them wear wristwatches - Gabriel seems to wear one instead of an angel ring, which I find most curious. Both have moments where they talk about the future that has been revealed to them. But when it comes to the Great Plan of the Almighty, they couldn't be more opposite.

The Seer and the Herald

Time is Crowley's domain. He can stop it for short periods, and he seems to know about fragments of human science and technology in the future. For example, he suggests to Mr Dalrymple that a change in hygiene might be beneficial, upon meeting him. It could also be said that he acts an oracle, as he gives advice and counsel, both here with Mr Dalrymple and in 1941 when he warns the Nazi's to flee before the bomb arrives, and that they won't like what comes after. (Although, 1941 was a case of Crowley actively manipulating the outcome of the future, so perhaps that doesn't count.)

Crowley: You might want to think about washing your hands. It's gonna be all the rage in a few years, I'm telling you.

Gabriel, as the Herald, is also given knowledge of the future. It was said he spoke to Daniel several times, explaining the visions Daniel had, which were of things to yet to come, and he was tasked with the "foretelling" of the births of John the Baptist and Jesus to their prospective mothers. I realize none of these examples are GO canons (yet,) but there is also the interesting parallel character in S1 of the lawyer Giles, who delivers the second manuscript of Agnes Nutter to Newt and Anathema the day after the Nopocalypse in S1 who is definitely Gabriel-coded and "heralding" the future possibilities there.

Tense Moments

There are two times during S2 that Jim is possessed by a divine spirit that takes over his corporation, turning his eyes back to Supreme Archangel Gabriel-lilac and putting words into his mouth.

The first instance is about the past: in S2E2 Jim recites a verse from Job 38:7 - and Aziraphale and Crowley both remember it, because they were there when the words were said.

The second instance, towards the end of S2E3, is about the present...

"There will come a tempest, and darkness, and great storms."

...and the future.

"And the dead will leave their graves and walk the earth once more. And there will be great lamentations."

Past, present, and future. For both of them, Crowley has his sunglasses off and he is peering into Jim's face.

I have some notes about which verses these are supposed to be from (Hebrews 12:18 for the first half and Matthew 27:53 for the second half) but upon checking them I'm wondering if they are actually correct, even if we take into account they have probably been re-written for the show, like the lines from the Book of Job were paraphrased in the Job minisode. But that aside, we can still deal with them within their temporal frames of reference - the former describing the not-insignificant piece of weather-work that Crowley had just stirred up, and the latter is pointing to the Second Coming, with the resurrection of the dead.

Both halves have words of significance: The first half has the word tempest, and the second half has the word lamentations.

The Foreshadowing Storm

Storms are often used as a trope to foreshadow trouble in the future of a story. I don't think we tend to see Crowley's rain storm as foreshadowing of what is to come as he was in control of that storm and it was for a particular reason - which failed. But Jim's words contained the future tense of "will" - There will come a tempest - so lets have a look at some possible connotations.

A tempest is a violent storm or thunderstorm, but it can also be an situation in which people are very angry or excited, an upset, calamity, or some unexpected misfortune.

And you could say that did happen by the end of S2.

There is also Shakespeare's play, The Tempest, which our demon would no doubt be aware of (it's considered a romance - you know, once of the funny ones.) In it there is a wizard of sorts, Prospero, the former Duke of Milan, who was usurped from his position, and fled with his infant daughter to an island. Many years later the King of Naples and the Duke's brother are passing in a ship, so Prospero magically whips up a storm and shipwrecks them on the island with him and his now teenage daughter, Miranda. He then tries to manipulate a romance between the King's son and heir and Miranda. Other stuff happens as well but in the end they all escape the island and there is a kind of happy ending, and forgiveness.

The Book of Lamentations

Back to the second half, that is supposed to be from Matthew 27:53, but probably more likely Matthew 27: 52-54. Yes, these verses do describe the dead rising from the grave, but the use of "great lamentations" here is a paraphrasing flag being waved in our faces.

A lament is a passionate expression of grief or sorrow. It can also be a complaint, or an expression of regret or disappointment.

Biblically, a lament is a prayer expressing sorrow, pain or confusion.

And with that, we can go back and re-contextualize a scene from S1.

The Book of Lamentations in the Bible contains five chapters describing the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 587 B.C. after a long siege. Each chapter is a poem from a different viewpoint about this event.

But what do we have in S1E4 instead? We have Crowley with a book of things he helped to build, expressing sorrow and pain at their imminent destruction, and that of the humans and the Earth. He prays to God, asking questions in vain hope of finding answers to his confusion as to why it seems it must all end with such finality.

Jerusalem was destroyed a second time, in 70 C.E. by the Romans. The city was rebuilt, and still stands today, but the Temple of Solomon wasn't, and this is a topic of contention in some beliefs. This also fits in with the theme of Memento mori, "Remember that you die," a reminder that life is brief, and there is a cycle to life and death.

Nonetheless, the Second Coming is connected with a New Jerusalem, a walled garden (a paradise) where those with their names written in the Book of Life will reside, with access to the Tree of Life in the middle.

Within the Walls of The Garden

The bookshop is Aziraphale's modern day re-creation of the Garden of Eden. Within it's walls he has gathered knowledge that he protects, there is a circular "gate" at the entrance, and he's made it a sanctuary for him and Crowley from other supernatural beings, particularly demons.

During S2 we see Crowley spend quite a bit of time inside the bookshop, and more often than not, he has his sunglasses off here.

While we can understand Crowley not wearing his sunglasses around Aziraphale, its perhaps more surprising that he doesn't seem to worried to not wear them around Jim either. He gets into Jim's face, eye to eye, but they don't agree with one another. It takes a lot of questions, from both sides, to turn this around.

The Great Plan

There's the Great Plan, and the Ineffable Plan.

Gabriel would never dream of deviating from the Plan.

At least he didn't, until he said "no" to the second Apocalypse.

Gabriel: Anyway, Armageddon the Sequel, that's a nah.

His own plan went awry when he forgot where he was going.

AZIRAPHALE: Then why did you come to my shop? GABRIEL: I don't know. I just thought I should. You know what it's like when you- when you don't know anything at all, and yet you're totally certain that everything would be better if you were just near one particular person?

And with his memories gone it was time to relearn things from the beginning. Good thing the original teacher from The Beginning was on hand to give some lessons, because we seem to be repeating some things from S1 and the beginning again here.

Right. So who's got a plan? Who's not seeing it this time? Are you actually questioning Crowley's plan, Jim? That's not like you to question plans. Maybe you are finally learning something.

Crowley's other plan was give "Jim" a test, to see if Gabriel was really there. This time Jim was prepared to follow instructions without questions. The gravity of the situation was kind of lost on him, and Crowley had to stop him before it was too late.

Too Early, Too Late

Prophecies are not just about who, what and where, they are also about when.

Crowley makes an angry threat to Jim in reaction to Shax's visit to the bookshop but backs off to enigmatically remark that "it's always too late." There is also the 1827 Resurrectionist minisode, where Crowley stops Aziraphale from healing wee Morag after she is shot with the grave guns, telling him it is too late there, and I think there is even a mention of too late by Shadwell in S1, but I can't remember where (plus Crowley's watch in the book, that has a time-zone in Another Place that is always Too Late.) We are kind-of left hanging here - what is too late? Too late to stop what is already in motion?

Except when its early, and early seems to be associated with destruction as well in the Good Omens AU. We have the examples of Job's house being destroyed, and the arrival of the baby Antichrist, which heralds the destruction of the Earth.

CRAWLEY: Oh. They've started early. Well… Might as well get comfortable. [sniffs wine and pours a glass]

Here, when the Antichrist is delivered in S1E1, Crowley expresses dismay that the time has come so soon.

CROWLEY: "No. Already?"

Could it actually be that the Nopocalypse was too early? And was that why it didn't go to Plan?

The Chosen One

The Antichrist is a sub-trope of The Chosen One tropes, which in itself is prophecy trope. The Chosen One is needed to fulfill the prophecy. We could do a whole line of discussion on how Crowley and Aziraphale then try to subvert this by raising the said Chosen One, only they raised the Wrong One. Instead, I want to point out that Crowley was also a Chosen One. He was chosen to deliver the Antichrist to the satanic nuns on the appointed night. But why? Why didn't Hastur and Ligur just do it?

Ah, you missed that, did you? I don't blame you, and Frances was trying to distract you with a game of three-card monte with the babies as well (and there have been many discussions about that, too!)

This then makes an interesting parallel for Gabriel being the Herald of the first Christ, and Crowley being the Herald for the Anti-Christ. (Or, some meta-ops might even argue, the Second Christ! But that is yet to be determined. How far away is S3 again...?)

The Earth is a Libra

One final prediction, from the very beginning...

Do you recall this seemingly random daily star sign reading from the opening of S1E1?

Most of it makes sense.

A friend is important to you.

uh huh.

Help could come from an unexpected source.

uh huh.

You may be vulnerable to a stomach upset today, so avoid salads.

wot?

I had to kick myself after while on this one, because I was being all smug to myself about catching a quick mention of liver between Madame Tracy and Shadwell at one point, and any mention of a bodily organ is a reference to an emotion and/or virtue. The first thing one must do with deciphering organs is determine whether you are looking at a western or eastern philosophy, as that is most important, but because this is GO we also need too include any biblical influence.

And whoeee - jackpot! There is indeed some symbolism around the stomach in a biblical sense; it is a place of transformation and renewal, where food is broken down and transformed into new energy and the renewing of minds. It emphasizes the need for continual growth and spiritual renewal.

That should ring some bells with you straight away, I would hope.

And the salad? A salad is a mix of different foods together. Foods not separated. (Keep your angels and demons on different sides of the plate, please, no mixing - and don't play with your food!)

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens meta #crowley #gabriel #seeing eye to eye #its about time #the ineffable plan #the great plan #there will come a tempest #great lamentations #the book of lamentations #prophecy tropes #the chosen one #the foreshadowing storm #its always too late #the earth is a libra #avoid salads

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pianokantzart · 24 days

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"Normal guy tries to get his brother home safe and accidentally becomes the arch nemesis of a powerful conquerer" and "Normal guy tries to save the girl his little brother has a crush on and accidentally becomes the arch nemesis of a powerful dictator" are both 11/10 origin stories.

#very normal guy accidentally picks a fight with a malicious being of unchecked power is always such a good trope #no ''chosen one'' prophecy or anything it's just some dude looking out for their family #the super mario bros movie #mario movie #super mario bros 1993

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fake-married-my-dead-fiance · 10 months

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One of the fascinating trope subversions in Alchemy of Souls is that Jang Uk is a Chosen OneTM, but instead of the usual paths, where he's specially trained, or hidden away for safety, or famous or something, everyone who knows Uk is special is actively trying to hinder his progress.

And not just the bad guys! The good guys too. It's like if every single teacher in Harry Potter was Snape.

His father cripples and abandons him, Park Jin will not let him be trained and actively encourages him to be lazy, and Jin Mu writes him off as useless but also refuses to train him. All the other important mages dislike and refuse to train him (though they don't know the whole truth). Master Lee is the only person in the entire series who knows Jang Uk is the Prophecy King Star Baby and actually helps him.

Now of course, if you try to mess with destiny, destiny messes back. So obviously Jang Uk would find the most terrifying possible trainer, a soul-shifting murderer, who is willing to help him. Which is just perfect because that's tootally what happens narritively when you try to prevent a prophecy, it just finds another way to come to fruition. Everyone is acting like the king and queen in Sleeping Beauty, thinking they can just destroy all the spindles and nothing bad will happen. She will always find a spindle, you fools!

What's just great karma is that they end up with a Chosen One who doesn't believe in their morals at all. Seo Yul is more like what they would want, a person who will sacrifice themselves to save the world, but instead they have Jang Uk, who will burn the world down to save one person. And it's their fault! They made him that way.

Also, how picky to be like, "Well the Prophecy Baby wasn't born in a way that I like so I don't think he should be the Chosen One." Do you people realize you could have all died? And again, Master Lee is there being like, "I don't care how he was born, if you guys got a King Star baby it's because you need one. Ya idiots."

Edit: I meant Sleeping Beauty not Rapunzel 🤦🏼‍♀️

#alchemy of souls #jang uk #chosen one trope #prophecy must be fulfilled by any means possible #nature will find a way #master lee #being the only person with brains #prophecy baby

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marvelstars · 4 months

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Why Anakin is the Chosen One?

You have got to remember this is one movie( EP I - EP VI), so I think when you watch the actual movie in order the story will become very clear, that Anakin is the chosen one and even when Anakin turns into Darth Vader, he is still the chosen one.

The Prophecy is that Anakin will bring balance to the force and destroy the sith.

He becomes Darth Vader, Darth Vader does become the HERO. Darth Vader does destroy the Sith, meaning himself and the Emperor, he does it because he is redeemed by his Son( Luke ).

So the prohecy is true and by doing that he redeems himself and goes from being Darth Vader to being Anakin again.

Everybody thought Darth Vader as this big evil guy, you know, had no heart, he was just evil but in the end is not that at all and I mean, here´s a guy who has lost everything.

GEORGE LUCAS explains the chosen one prophecy.

#anakin skywalker #star wars #Darth Vader #George Lucas #chosen one trope #chosen one prophecy #Luke skywalker

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eldr1tchpunk · 1 day

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I’m getting tired of characters getting pissed when given a riddle

(I’m looking at you Charles and Crystal)

Like?? What part of ORACLE did you not grasp? Have you never picked up on all your years of possible existence one fucking mythology book?

Like sure annoyance yeah cause it’s a fucking riddle but PLEASE Why are you so pissed. Like next time I hope you’re clueless is written in a dead fucking language on a stone barrier six feet deep in someone’s grave

respect your oracles and prophets they work hard and get no pay

#dead boy detectives #writing trope #Fantasy #prophecy #respect your oracles and prophets they work hard and get no pay

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iwritelmao · 27 days

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if I had a nickel for every time I read/wrote the “character is cursed/prophesied and they let it affect their lives drastically only to find out after the changes are irreversible that it was never real” trope, I’d have 3(4?) nickels

which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened that many times

#it’s not actually that weird #it’s so good #its my fav trope to cry over #the fourth that I’m not sure abt is Macbeth #Cause there are theories that the prophecies were never real but it’s prob not canon #being human uk #the infernal devices #wip #john mitchell #will herondale #the infernal devices spoilers #being human uk spoilers #spoilers

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joncronshawauthor · 8 months

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he Echoes of The Belgariad: Eddings’ Influence on Modern Fantasy

Once upon a time, as all good stories start, in the small town of Spokane, Washington, a man by the name of David Eddings put pen to paper and began to weave a tale of prophecy, magic and, most importantly, a farm boy named Garion. A tale that, unbeknownst to him, would shape the course of modern fantasy literature. This tale? “The Belgariad.” The Chosen One Now, I know what you’re thinking.…

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#A Song of Ice and Fire #Brandon Sanderson #Chosen One trope #David Eddings #fantasy literature #Garion #George R.R. Martin #Harry Potter #J.K. Rowling #Jon Snow #magic orb #magic system #Mistborn #modern fantasy influence #narrative impact.#prophecy #Spokane #The Belgariad #world-building

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isnt-it-pretty · 2 months

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There's something to be said about how disability rep in fantasy is more often than not in found in characters that are more than a little evil. It has to do with our perception of disability and how it relates to morality, but somebody smarter than me could probably write a whole essay on the topic.

That being said you can take classic fantasy characters like Raistlin Majere and Elric of Melnibone out of my cold dead hands.

#there's also something to be said about how they're often mages #and the relationship between disability and otherwordly/magical #which of course is saying nothing about the complex topic of blindness and prophecy #is this all a little ableist? yes #do I love it anyway? also yes #if a modern author wrote this in 2024 I'd peace out but DragonLance was published ib the mid 80s #and Elric was published in the 70s #so they can have a little pass so we can learn from them #this has the same vibes as the Evil Bisexual trope #fantasy #ableism #if anybody says disability doesn't belong in fantasy I'm coming at them with 40 years worth of classic fantasy novels #also I made a mistake Elric was first published in 1961

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warblingandwriting · 3 months

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Okay so I'm finally starting the second Dune book and the introduction states that people disliked it when it came out because it subverted Dune's 'classic hero story'??? And maybe it's just because I first read the book as an adult, but I felt like even the first book was shouting from the rafters that it is very intentionally criticizing that type of story.

Like, the only reason Paul is seen as prophecised hero is because the Bene Gesserit intentionally seeded planets with made up prophecies so that they could one day, if they ever needed to, get the people under their sway. He is completely manufactured- and that whole shebang is not presented in a good light. It's basically an out and out criticism of colonialism.

I mean, the entire novel (to me) feels like direct response to Burroughs' Barsoom series, basically upending the idea of the epic hero taking his place as king of the native people of that planet by explicitly telling the reader that it was all manufactured from the start, and that actually, at some future date, he will destroy the very people he is now claiming to want to help. Like - his final vision does not show a bright or happy future, the book ends of a very dark note.

It makes me excited for the second book that these themes are obviously going to be more present, but I am a bit taken aback that people didn't realize them in the first book at the time.

#Dune #science fiction #sci fi #classic sci fi #books #reading #my thoughts #Like aside from a lot of the political machinations I feel like the plot aligns fairly well with princess of mars?#and specifically calls it out #I mean the colonizers (really including Leto in the first novel) are pretty explicitly in the wrong thew whole time #I don't mean that it's perfect #and that it executes this message without any use of harmful tropes or stereotyping the Fremen #but like... Paul being Just A Kid following a completely fabricated prophecy and bringing ruin to a people because of it is pretty prominen #we like Jessica are supposed to be critical of-and afraid of-what he becomes at the end #entirely concerned with political motivations and losing at least a bit of the compassion he once had

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