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drconstellation · 2 months
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First-Order Archangels
Part 3: Seeing Eye to Eye
Part 1: Maybe You'll See An Archangel Part 2: Foils of War
This is a topic I've wanted to address for some time (ha!) concerning a discussion around Jim's moments of lilac-eyed possessed prophecy and Crowley not wearing his sunglasses around Jim inside the bookshop in S2. I've had rough thoughts about what's going on at these times, but because its more of a sub-textural implication, rather than being overtly stated I guess I've hesitated somewhat and wanted to think it through properly first. Then I started writing this, and as I starting checking things, one thing led to another...and it's tripled in size. Enjoy the juicy long length!
I've decided to included this meta as part of the First-Order Archangel series as it will focus on Gabriel and Crowley, and their connection with time and prophecy. Both of them wear wristwatches - Gabriel seems to wear one instead of an angel ring, which I find most curious. Both have moments where they talk about the future that has been revealed to them. But when it comes to the Great Plan of the Almighty, they couldn't be more opposite.
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The Seer and the Herald
Time is Crowley's domain. He can stop it for short periods, and he seems to know about fragments of human science and technology in the future. For example, he suggests to Mr Dalrymple that a change in hygiene might be beneficial, upon meeting him. It could also be said that he acts an oracle, as he gives advice and counsel, both here with Mr Dalrymple and in 1941 when he warns the Nazi's to flee before the bomb arrives, and that they won't like what comes after. (Although, 1941 was a case of Crowley actively manipulating the outcome of the future, so perhaps that doesn't count.)
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Crowley: You might want to think about washing your hands. It's gonna be all the rage in a few years, I'm telling you.
Gabriel, as the Herald, is also given knowledge of the future. It was said he spoke to Daniel several times, explaining the visions Daniel had, which were of things to yet to come, and he was tasked with the "foretelling" of the births of John the Baptist and Jesus to their prospective mothers. I realize none of these examples are GO canons (yet,) but there is also the interesting parallel character in S1 of the lawyer Giles, who delivers the second manuscript of Agnes Nutter to Newt and Anathema the day after the Nopocalypse in S1 who is definitely Gabriel-coded and "heralding" the future possibilities there.
Tense Moments
There are two times during S2 that Jim is possessed by a divine spirit that takes over his corporation, turning his eyes back to Supreme Archangel Gabriel-lilac and putting words into his mouth.
The first instance is about the past: in S2E2 Jim recites a verse from Job 38:7 - and Aziraphale and Crowley both remember it, because they were there when the words were said.
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The second instance, towards the end of S2E3, is about the present...
"There will come a tempest, and darkness, and great storms."
...and the future.
"And the dead will leave their graves and walk the earth once more. And there will be great lamentations."
Past, present, and future. For both of them, Crowley has his sunglasses off and he is peering into Jim's face.
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I have some notes about which verses these are supposed to be from (Hebrews 12:18 for the first half and Matthew 27:53 for the second half) but upon checking them I'm wondering if they are actually correct, even if we take into account they have probably been re-written for the show, like the lines from the Book of Job were paraphrased in the Job minisode. But that aside, we can still deal with them within their temporal frames of reference - the former describing the not-insignificant piece of weather-work that Crowley had just stirred up, and the latter is pointing to the Second Coming, with the resurrection of the dead.
Both halves have words of significance: The first half has the word tempest, and the second half has the word lamentations.
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The Foreshadowing Storm
Storms are often used as a trope to foreshadow trouble in the future of a story. I don't think we tend to see Crowley's rain storm as foreshadowing of what is to come as he was in control of that storm and it was for a particular reason - which failed. But Jim's words contained the future tense of "will" - There will come a tempest - so lets have a look at some possible connotations.
A tempest is a violent storm or thunderstorm, but it can also be an situation in which people are very angry or excited, an upset, calamity, or some unexpected misfortune.
And you could say that did happen by the end of S2.
There is also Shakespeare's play, The Tempest, which our demon would no doubt be aware of (it's considered a romance - you know, once of the funny ones.) In it there is a wizard of sorts, Prospero, the former Duke of Milan, who was usurped from his position, and fled with his infant daughter to an island. Many years later the King of Naples and the Duke's brother are passing in a ship, so Prospero magically whips up a storm and shipwrecks them on the island with him and his now teenage daughter, Miranda. He then tries to manipulate a romance between the King's son and heir and Miranda. Other stuff happens as well but in the end they all escape the island and there is a kind of happy ending, and forgiveness.
The Book of Lamentations
Back to the second half, that is supposed to be from Matthew 27:53, but probably more likely Matthew 27: 52-54. Yes, these verses do describe the dead rising from the grave, but the use of "great lamentations" here is a paraphrasing flag being waved in our faces.
A lament is a passionate expression of grief or sorrow. It can also be a complaint, or an expression of regret or disappointment.
Biblically, a lament is a prayer expressing sorrow, pain or confusion.
And with that, we can go back and re-contextualize a scene from S1.
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The Book of Lamentations in the Bible contains five chapters describing the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 587 B.C. after a long siege. Each chapter is a poem from a different viewpoint about this event.
But what do we have in S1E4 instead? We have Crowley with a book of things he helped to build, expressing sorrow and pain at their imminent destruction, and that of the humans and the Earth. He prays to God, asking questions in vain hope of finding answers to his confusion as to why it seems it must all end with such finality.
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Jerusalem was destroyed a second time, in 70 C.E. by the Romans. The city was rebuilt, and still stands today, but the Temple of Solomon wasn't, and this is a topic of contention in some beliefs. This also fits in with the theme of Memento mori, "Remember that you die," a reminder that life is brief, and there is a cycle to life and death.
Nonetheless, the Second Coming is connected with a New Jerusalem, a walled garden (a paradise) where those with their names written in the Book of Life will reside, with access to the Tree of Life in the middle.
Within the Walls of The Garden
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The bookshop is Aziraphale's modern day re-creation of the Garden of Eden. Within it's walls he has gathered knowledge that he protects, there is a circular "gate" at the entrance, and he's made it a sanctuary for him and Crowley from other supernatural beings, particularly demons.
During S2 we see Crowley spend quite a bit of time inside the bookshop, and more often than not, he has his sunglasses off here.
While we can understand Crowley not wearing his sunglasses around Aziraphale, its perhaps more surprising that he doesn't seem to worried to not wear them around Jim either. He gets into Jim's face, eye to eye, but they don't agree with one another. It takes a lot of questions, from both sides, to turn this around.
The Great Plan
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There's the Great Plan, and the Ineffable Plan.
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Gabriel would never dream of deviating from the Plan.
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At least he didn't, until he said "no" to the second Apocalypse.
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Gabriel: Anyway, Armageddon the Sequel, that's a nah.
His own plan went awry when he forgot where he was going.
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AZIRAPHALE: Then why did you come to my shop? GABRIEL: I don't know. I just thought I should. You know what it's like when you- when you don't know anything at all, and yet you're totally certain that everything would be better if you were just near one particular person?
And with his memories gone it was time to relearn things from the beginning. Good thing the original teacher from The Beginning was on hand to give some lessons, because we seem to be repeating some things from S1 and the beginning again here.
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Right. So who's got a plan? Who's not seeing it this time? Are you actually questioning Crowley's plan, Jim? That's not like you to question plans. Maybe you are finally learning something.
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Crowley's other plan was give "Jim" a test, to see if Gabriel was really there. This time Jim was prepared to follow instructions without questions. The gravity of the situation was kind of lost on him, and Crowley had to stop him before it was too late.
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Too Early, Too Late
Prophecies are not just about who, what and where, they are also about when.
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Crowley makes an angry threat to Jim in reaction to Shax's visit to the bookshop but backs off to enigmatically remark that "it's always too late." There is also the 1827 Resurrectionist minisode, where Crowley stops Aziraphale from healing wee Morag after she is shot with the grave guns, telling him it is too late there, and I think there is even a mention of too late by Shadwell in S1, but I can't remember where (plus Crowley's watch in the book, that has a time-zone in Another Place that is always Too Late.) We are kind-of left hanging here - what is too late? Too late to stop what is already in motion?
Except when its early, and early seems to be associated with destruction as well in the Good Omens AU. We have the examples of Job's house being destroyed, and the arrival of the baby Antichrist, which heralds the destruction of the Earth.
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CRAWLEY: Oh. They've started early. Well… Might as well get comfortable. [sniffs wine and pours a glass]
Here, when the Antichrist is delivered in S1E1, Crowley expresses dismay that the time has come so soon.
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CROWLEY: "No. Already?"
Could it actually be that the Nopocalypse was too early? And was that why it didn't go to Plan?
The Chosen One
The Antichrist is a sub-trope of The Chosen One tropes, which in itself is prophecy trope. The Chosen One is needed to fulfill the prophecy. We could do a whole line of discussion on how Crowley and Aziraphale then try to subvert this by raising the said Chosen One, only they raised the Wrong One. Instead, I want to point out that Crowley was also a Chosen One. He was chosen to deliver the Antichrist to the satanic nuns on the appointed night. But why? Why didn't Hastur and Ligur just do it?
Ah, you missed that, did you? I don't blame you, and Frances was trying to distract you with a game of three-card monte with the babies as well (and there have been many discussions about that, too!)
This then makes an interesting parallel for Gabriel being the Herald of the first Christ, and Crowley being the Herald for the Anti-Christ. (Or, some meta-ops might even argue, the Second Christ! But that is yet to be determined. How far away is S3 again...?)
The Earth is a Libra
One final prediction, from the very beginning...
Do you recall this seemingly random daily star sign reading from the opening of S1E1?
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Most of it makes sense.
A friend is important to you.
uh huh.
Help could come from an unexpected source.
uh huh.
You may be vulnerable to a stomach upset today, so avoid salads.
wot?
I had to kick myself after while on this one, because I was being all smug to myself about catching a quick mention of liver between Madame Tracy and Shadwell at one point, and any mention of a bodily organ is a reference to an emotion and/or virtue. The first thing one must do with deciphering organs is determine whether you are looking at a western or eastern philosophy, as that is most important, but because this is GO we also need too include any biblical influence.
And whoeee - jackpot! There is indeed some symbolism around the stomach in a biblical sense; it is a place of transformation and renewal, where food is broken down and transformed into new energy and the renewing of minds. It emphasizes the need for continual growth and spiritual renewal.
That should ring some bells with you straight away, I would hope.
And the salad? A salad is a mix of different foods together. Foods not separated. (Keep your angels and demons on different sides of the plate, please, no mixing - and don't play with your food!)
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linipikk · 8 months
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They really spent a lot of time pointing to the second coming for Apolaypse 2 electric boogaloo
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all 3 minisodes are about ... humans dying and being brought back to life, or more like, how that is not possible...and how Heaven and Hell have worked around that
In A Companion to Owls, Job kids never died even when they should have, Heaven didn't know enough to distinguish that they were the same children and Sitis quickly got that the miracle was... that their children didn't die to begin with. Once they are dead it is game over and Crowley and Aziraphale refused to let them die
In The Resurrectionists (it is literally called The Resurrectionists!!) and it is how one girl is shot and they can't do anything once she is dead. And Crowley still goes off of his way to make sure the other one doesn't kill herself, risking everything. And we know hell's extreme sanctions are probably what makes him ask for insurance, for holy water. On the other hand, this episode is called The ResurrectionistS, plural, but we meet only one of them ..while in the other side of the sign is Christ himself.
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THEN in 1941, we have ZOMBIES, the literal living dead walking around, and Furfur states that he can't make them living people again due to a clause and just leave them as zombies to roam the earth. We see how cursed they are, rotting and bound to eat brains but not human.
EVEN! From episode 1, we get a big Clue: miracles are measured in lazarii, and resurrecting someone is no easy feat. They were telling us to watch out about coming back to life... and how only the mightiest of archangels are able to use that amount of power (or an angel and a demon holding hands...)
and I do want to point out that part of the things Gabriel remembered was this line
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Job kids didn't die, in victorian england Wee Morag died falling in the hands of a resurrectionist, and the Germans died and came back- just not quite alive. Every day it is getting closer,
... they are telling us that the second coming is afoot, but they are also showing us that there is no second opportunity on this earth. Once you are dead, you are dead.
and Crowley, in the direst time when Aziraphale is breaking his little demonic heart, says
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And now, the plan to resurrect one human to make the end of the world happen is in Aziraphale's hands.
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fromcommorragh · 8 months
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Norn Assimilator by Tom Boyle on twitter
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ride-thedragon · 9 days
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Team Green First Promo Gifset (we're in fact back)
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the-words-we-sung · 1 month
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Season 3 ending
So... It's been almost a week since the last episode, almost a week trying to wrap my head around the end of the show, trying to manage my feelings about it all.
It's hard to end up feeling the complete opposite of nearly everyone on my dash but I've come to terms with the fact that I didn't love the ending. I didn't love this last episode. (I shouldn't feel ashamed or weird for saying so but you guys loved it so much that I feel a bit like an outsider right now 😓)
I haven't been a fan of the show for as long as most of you, but it means so much to me. These characters carved a place in my heart and in my head, and they've made me happy for months now. They helped me get through some stuff, made me discover some amazing artists, meet even more amazing people through this fandom. And I loved the story. Even in its darkest, saddest parts, I loved it. I was invested.
I love Wilhelm and Simon, together and separately. They mean so much to me. And I loved season 1 and 2. It made me happy, and sad, and frustrated, and exalted. But overall, I trusted the show and I was not disappointed.
Season 3 was a lot. I liked the first 5 episodes. I can't say that I loved everything about them: I was not expecting things to get so hard for Simon, with no reprieve in sight. I was not worried about Wilmon being endgame (I know it was a big stress for the fandom but honestly I never doubted that they were endgame), but I was wondering how the show would go about tying all the knots it made (I should even say all the knots it added during this last season).
(Under a read more because it's a bit long and I don't want to bother those who don't wanna read more of my frustrated thoughts ^^')
And unfortunately the last episode was a huge let down for me. Yes, it's partly because nothing I was hoping for actually happened, but mostly, it's because the choices they made did not feel very satisfying to me: ⁕ Simon was barely there. We went from him being bullied online/offline non stop for 5 episodes to almost nothing. It makes 0 sense to me. ⁕ Kristina suddenly feeling better: she was having break down upon break down for an entire season, could barely look at her son or even just talk normally and all of a sudden she's back, smiling and agreeing to everything Wilhelm says? I'm sorry but I don't buy it? Where did this Kristina hid during the entire show? ⁕ Wilhelm deciding to not be king, talking for 3min to his parents about it, them agreeing and him running into the sunset with Simon. I'm sorry, what?? I love that they end up together of course, but it makes very little sense to me? It won't change any of the issues they had this season? They're still gonna be famous? And bullied online/offline? (Probably even more so now?). I'm not obviously saying that Wilhelm staying in line to become king was the only or the best solution, but I wanted more from this storyline. I wanted to believe it. And right now, what we got? It feels a bit cheap (and I feel bad for saying that because the ending was cute and romantic and all, but it felt too disconnected from the rest of the show for me ><)
And apart from these few points, the big issue I had with this episode was: The Angst. So that might be a me-problem, but it was too much for my poor little heart (I haven't rewatched the episode yet, and I'm not sure I'll be able to anytime soon ><). I spent like 40min of the episode with a huge knot in the stomach because the heartbreak between Simon and Wilhelm was too much to handle for me. I can see how it was beautifully made, that having lots of throwbacks to the previous seasons, the Wille song, all of that was great cinematography. But it was just too much for me. I got in the season spoiler-free but for this episode? During the lake scene I had to take a break and check online if they were actually endgame because it was starting to actually give me a stomachache. So yeah, this part might be me being too sensitive but I did not like that they made me see them fight for each other for 2 seasons and 5 episodes, but then just giving up for 40min before finally running back to each other during the last 10min. It was just too much sadness for me ><
So yeah, maybe my expectations were too high? But I feel sad, and kinda cheated. Too many things are left wide opened. Too many things make zero sense to me. And of course I'm happy we got our Wilmon endgame, but I'm less happy about how it happened.
It's a bit hard being on Tumblr right now and seeing everyone who thought it was the perfect episode >< And I don't want to "yuck anyone's yum" (as the saying goes), but I still wanna be able to share my thoughts! I probably won't write super angry/unhappy/complaining posts about the season/the finale, but I still wanna be able to chat about it. I did see some posts on my dash from people not being entirely satisfied with this ending so it's a bit comforting. And I hope we can share some nice headcanons, or just discussions about different plot points.
But yeah, I guess that's why I haven't really been active this week! Trying to get over the double heartbreak of the end of the show + being disappointed with the ending! I'm gonna come back though! I miss hanging out here, I just need to strengthen my heart a little bit more :p Gonna get back to writing about my thoughts episode by episode for this season (I can't promise I can rewatch the last one though 😖 It might take me a bit of time to get there). And I want to continue my song analysis of the show!! I'm not even done with season 2 yet, I have some work to do there ^^
So see you back here very soon 😘
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etirabys · 6 days
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horrid yowling! so terrible I thought the cat might be dying & ran downstairs with heart tangibly hammering. I sighted her pressed up against the window, freaking out about an outdoor cat on the other side.
After I and CJ covered the view with flattened boxes:
cat: [skulks & pokes at the edges of boxes] me: idiotic! are you going to worm your way back against the glass to look at the thing that upsets you? partner CJ: wouldn't you? me: D:<
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marxistgnome · 2 years
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The star trek I've seen has only really focused on the negatives but i think it would be really nice to date or be in a relationship with a vulcan. Like the idea of someone that wants to be with you not due to a feeling but due to a well thought out logical choice? Someone who came to the decision of wanting to stay with you because they thought it was the wisest course of action? Weak at the knees. To me I find putting genuine thought and consideration and then picking someone is far more romantic than doing it based off feeling. Sign me the fuck up. Sarek and Amanda were fucking LIVING
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velvetjune · 2 months
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finishing the control game is fun because after you get to know everyone, it’s just a sleepover in the oldest house with all my friends :)
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How long do you think it took for the other first years to realize that Megumi is literally Gojo’s boy? I can’t ever imagine them getting an answer out of Megumi (he absolutely can and will summon Mohoraga to make sure he’ll take this truth to the grave) but on the other hand we have Gojo broadcasting to the world his blatant favoritism of Megumi ahahaha
ooooh that's an excellent question. It was definitely well after yuuji died and came back to life, so more than a month at least. By the time Yuuji officially comes back to life, Kugisaki's already started teasing megumi about Gojo's obvious favoritism of him. Yuuji quickly hops on board with it.
I think the other first years initially assume that Gojo's just the kind to play favorites with students or is partial to megumi because he was originally the only first year in Gojo's class or something. Megumi isn't about to tell them that Gojo raised him, so he just brushes it off whenever they start to tease him.
The second years, however, had Megumi as Gojo's son built into their introduction. It's so long been foundational to how they think of him that they just assume everyone knows. They're the ones to rat him out.
(nobara, taking the piss: and there's gojo playing favorites again. it's completely unfair.
Yuuji, immediately on the same bullshit as her: completely
Nobara: what do you have that we don't fushiguro
Panda, overhearing this: ... I mean it's kind of obvious, right?
Megumi, knows the jig is up: *takes off for the door*
Panda: I mean yeah Megumi's Gojo's favorite. He's his son. didn't you know?
Nobara: :o
Yuuji: :o
Nobara: he's his fucking wha--hey, get back here!
Yuuji, Climbing On Top Of Him: Why don't you tell us anything about your life?????)
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m340700 · 1 year
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The Moon's Lament
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Parent just said I needed to 'consider what went in my body more'
Yeah yeah yeah I know what you fuckin' mean by that 🙁
Ah yes, 'we can make you healthy again' when I went and told them the first statement kinda upset me
Tell me this the morning when I go back to school, sure !!
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hauntedpearl · 6 months
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most cliche hilarious dramatic soap opera thing supernatural could've done is make sastiel canon but it's one sided and unrequited. like make that tall man the martha jones of the show. he leaves the bunker because he's like I'm SICK and TIRED of always being there for cas but cas doesn't even see me. could've started in s7 even. what if cas and sam had to stay in that asylum together for cas to be able to manage the madness what then. what if the reason sam ran and hit a dog and immediately wrapped himself around the first woman he saw (with dark brown hair and okay doesn't look like blue eyes but I've been wrong before) because he was like. losing his whole entire mind about cas (and his brother also died, grief is confusing to him rn) but then he DIDN'T KNOW yet fully maybe. also would be sooo funny at some point if sam was like you are literally his fucking abuser!! @ dean and he was self righteous about how HE would treat cas better obviously but cas can't even see it because dean's just alWAYS there. oh I love it i live for the drama. I'm in the peanut gallery cheering for them to bite each other's dicks off over this angel man.
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playerkingsley · 8 months
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I think across all of the d&d ttrpg shows and podcasts I've listened to, the silence spell has been the most underutilized ability by FAR
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candydos · 9 months
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love it when I find That Episode that pulls me headfirst down a fandom rabbithole I never saw coming
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beccibarnes · 7 months
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"And there will be great lamentations" - Guitar Cover
Disclaimer: I'm about to step way out of my comfort zone, so be nice or be gone.
I had this idea for the Nice And Accurate Prophecies Week and it just wouldn't leave me alone. So I dragged myself through a whole lot of anxiety and made it happen.
To be precise, I took Ed Sheeran's "I See Fire" and tweaked the lyrics just a little to match the theme of the day: "There will be great lamentations"
I am not a professional singer, I never even had a solo in front of anybody except my car and my shower, I have been playing the guitar for just over a year now, I recorded the whole thing on a 3-year-old phone without additional audio gadgets and was nervous as shit. So don't get your hopes up but maybe you'll like it.
↓ ↓ Video and Lyrics under the cut ↓ ↓
Lyrics:
If this is to end in war We at least will be together Watch the flames climb high into the sky Calling out my angel, stay strong and we will Watch the flames burn auburn over London town
And if we should die tonight We at least will die together Raise a glass of wine for the last time Calling out my angel, prepare as we will Watch the flames burn auburn over London town Lamentations come upon us all
Chorus Now I see fire, up there in heaven I see fire, burning in hell And I see fire, ravaging earth I see fire, tempest of flames And I hope that you'll remember me
Oh, should my Angel fall Then surely I'll do the same Confined in ancient times We got too close to the flame Calling out my angel, stay strong and we will Watch the flames burn auburn over London town Lamentations come upon us all
Chorus
And when the world is burning It will open your eyes For if the war returns then Our future will die And as the sky is falling down It crashes into our lovely town And from that shadow underground I hear my people screaming out
Chorus v2 Now I see fire, up there in your eyes I see fire, burning your wings And I see fire, ravage our home I see fire, tempest of flames
I see fire, oh you know I catch you when you’re falling I see fire, feel your heat upon my skin again And I see fire, inside youuuuuu And we see fire burn auburn over our home
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