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my thoughts on the new panic album
just finished listening so here is my bullet pointed live reaction. i have not been a patd fan since like 2018 so please do not read this if ur looking for a glowing review. HOWEVER there are some good parts i'm not wholly biased, but spoiler alert all of those good parts relate to the instrumentals not the vox/lyrics.
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i’m not listening to the singles again; don’t let the light go out is the best one because he’s only doing falsetto for like 40% of the song instead of the usual 90% and also mike naran slayed. still would not listen to it in my spare time tho
star spangled banger
would it kill this dude to sing in a healthy octave
what the fuck why is the first verse so fast
“home of the freaks” is an extremely corny line also why is he screaming it at me
i do like the bassline
it seems like all of these songs so far have instrumental solos which i would normally like but they’re all mid and sound exactly the same so what’s the point
god killed rock and roll
omfg he wishes he was queen soooooo bad
this one is ok so far. guess why? because he’s not singing in his high register (…for now?)
… never mind. damn it can he go ONE SONG WITHOUT IT???
this song did NOT have to be this long why is it still going
say it louder
“everybody hates you now” is he directing this at himself bc yeah no shit
i HATE that he based this whole song around that “louder for the people in the back” phrase
i swear to god some of these songs aren’t bad but then he goes into falsetto and it makes my ears want to explode
okay this one is not awful i’ll give him that, it’s pretty theatrical
sugar soaker
i like how the verses sound, but i don’t like the chorus it feels like he just defaulted back to the standard chorus for all the songs so far
and i hate the lyrics as a whole wtf kind of metaphor is comparing the woman to a car
this had potential
something about maggie
less than 30 secs in i already don’t like this. especially the lyrics.
why does he keep referring to a DJ in these songs??
has he explained what the recurring character of maggie represents or is she just A Girl
WHY DOES HE KEEP REFERRING TO AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE????
i like the instrumental break at 2:00 it actually sounds unique compared to all the other ones but also i’m a band and orchestra kid so i’m just a sucker for orchestral/brass/woodwind parts
sad clown
this mv could NEVER be that one ofmd scene
is he going for opera bc he’s failing miserably
… and is he aware that opera is more than just going as high as you possibly can and saying italian words
wtf is this beat change at the end
brb taking a lunch break my ears are bleeding
all by yourself
WHAT are these lyrics supposed to mean
there are so many songs on this album where the verses sound cool (mostly instrumentally but also vocally)… and then the chorus sucks ass
(and you will Never guess why (he cannot sing high notes (that’s why)))
“we live FOREVHA”
do it to death
i detest everyone who was comparing the singles to vices/pretty odd, but i WILL say that the way he sings “patience now, don’t cut the line” here reminds me a little of vices
“do it all to death” more like do it all the ti-[GUNSHOT]
the shut up and go to bed part sounds so out of place
wait that’s IT?? that was a weird song to end the album with.. idk what i personally would’ve chosen but
1 day later update i have already forgotten how these songs sound so. not memorable whatsoever
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Does this mean paramore finally get to officially replace patd in the emo trinity (aka the trinity that always should have been amen)
#this isnt positive or negative towards patd before anyone starts at me#just that patd were never actually emo#paramore have been sitting there all this time getting snubbed in favour of a band that arent even really emo#panic at the disco#paramore#emo trinity
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Look I haven't gone here in AGES but the new p*nic album title is soooo corny/bad... He wants to be ~cool~ so bad... Also Marina supporting.. I trusted u girl he's a fuckin creep u deserve better bbgirl
#Naurrrr#Anti Brendon urie#Not y'all going back to posting abt this man if I see any mentions of him it's on fuckin sight#wow anna said something#He literally got outed as a shitty person the music has been going downhill since 2016 it just ain't the same#All the flavor has been lost... So it's just a shitty person with ok music#Old p*nic still slaps idgaf but it's not bc of him#Wow anna said something#Marina#marina diamandis#marina and the diamonds#Aw shit here we go again...#And on the 1st of pride no less..!! Wasn't high hopes enough of a hate crime already...#It's giving 13 year old edgelord... None of these words are in the Bible#U know what. I will put this in the tag actually. Stream razzmatazz bitches#Patd#Brendon negativity#Brendon piss
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something that has always struck me as funny is how (imo) fob light em up and patd miss jackson sound really really similar to each other. i remember playing srar and twtltrtd back to back often the year they both came out. the connection was made pretty quickly, from the key, to instrumentation choices, even down to both of those songs being 2nd on the track list in each respective album. same producer on both songs too. idk i’m not rly proving anything new, i just think it’s interesting lol
#i don’t mean this negatively lol#i just love making silly little connections#this take doesn’t require nuance anyway tbh#fob#fall out boy#panic at the disco#p!atd#patd#jayloni speaks
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their unwilling mistress (2/4)
~Guys~
AUGUST
~ Delusional protective possessive obsessive. He qualifies for all of them except manipulative. Maybe manipulative.
~ Soft boi
~ Out of the guys, Ripley is closest to this one
~ He has been son-zoned
~ "Ripley, do you love me?" "Yes. Like a son."
~ That doesn't fuckin stop him
~ Dresses like a dapper lad, bow tie n all.
~ Good boi, a soft boi
~ "Auggie"
~ Only lets Ripley call him that, gets A N G Y when anyone else does
~ Incredibly silky soft pink hair and large coal black-brown eyes, like a cow's. Really more pupil than anything.
OSCAR
~ Protective.
~ Bitch boi abbsafbnj (Inspo: FOB)
~ Confident
~ Lil prick
~ Flirty bastard
~ You'd be lucky if he actually puts a shirt on
~ Fuckboi alert?
~ Calls August “Auggie”
~ Flirts with the other demons
~ Will say or do anything to get a reaction. Yeah. He's that bitch.
~ Messy wild unkempt pale hair and bright crimson eyes.
~ Could not give less of a shit when it comes to clothing because he thinks its stupid
~ This bastard would go naked if he could
~ (Secretly he and Rip had dated in the past)
ALISTAIR
~ Manipulative possessive.
~ Proud Prince (inspo: PATD/neg)
~ Also confident but less of a prick.
~ "I woke up like this" yeah, clearly
~ Tie undone, dress shirt's a mess and half undone, vest is falling off, shoes untied
~ Why tf is he so smug he looks like a gotdam mess
~ Still, unlike Oscar, he's a charmer
~ Even when he looks like shit.
~ Tho tbf he can't look like shit he's a gotdam demon so no matter what he looks perfect
~ "Here for a good time, not a long time." "You literally can't die wtf"
~ Drinks, smokes, and does a heccin drug even tho it won't do shit to him
~ Party demon
~ But simultaneously also shifty businessman
~ Like EXTREMELY business savvy, and is actually a pretty big deal, with his own corporation in the underworld
~ Don't make a deal with this devil -
~ Elaine and Alistair are a dangerous mix
DAMIEN
~ Protective
~ Gentleman (inspo: Tally Hall & Will Wood)
~ Always dressed to the fucking nines, tophat and all
~ A true gentleman
~ Seemingly uninterested in wooing his mistress?
~ Still refers to her as mistress tho
~ The type to kiss your hand
~ ....
~ Okay you can stop kissing my hand now, creep
~ Would make you dinner if he was allowed in the kitchen
~ Always offering to help.
~ Maybe he means it. Who knows. Ripley ain't gonna risk it
DANTE
~ Delusional
~ Charming troublemaker (inspo: 21 Pilots)
~ Always manages to break out of basement and pops up in public
~ It is as frustrating as it is baffling
~ Has the most chemistry with Ripley.
~ At least he seems to think so.
~ Casual looking clothes. T-shirt, baggy hooded sweater that loosely clings onto his body, torn jeans, combat boots, and big old headphones attached to seemingly nothing.
~ Hair and eyes are constantly shifting colors.
~ Acts pretty casual too, which is pretty fucking frustrating ngl
~ Similar to Saoirse, bit of a masochist; loves to be dominated
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i love how brendon served so much negative cunt that no one is talking about patd last ever concert and the next day we get gerard in a skirt and it’s world news event
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I’m only going to weigh in on this once because all the hate is really bumming me out and I need to air out some thoughts.
I know you have all picked up on the themes of all this new music from our Emo Forebears. I will use My Chem as an example because I think they’re the most poignant example:
Think about their musical content up till this point. It’s about suffering and feeling misunderstood and we all loved it because we felt seen. My Chem had the reputation of being the Suicidal Girl band since long before it was seen as anything other than cringe. If you didn’t live through this time; if you have never experienced the feeling of “fuck it I’m gonna live like I’ll never see 30 because I’ll be dead long before then” it may be hard to understand just how special Foundations is.
You Must Fix Your Heart
The resurfacing of these emo bands are all the grown ass adults who were once barely out of their teens, saw a bunch of fucked up shit, many of them nearly died or were very near people who did, and here we are, decades later, still just living.
At a certain point, it’s fix yourself or give up. By give up I mean die. It’s heal or die.
So here we have a bunch of now adult musicians who have been through it, fixed themselves and are now thriving. They have an opportunity to share this wisdom with all those other young people who were just like the. The now-adult fans have done their own growing and fixing. It’s a beautiful thing, really.
Now consider Panic!
Yes, the ‘09 split was the end of the “real” PATD. However, Brendon and Spencer decided they wanted to keep trying. They loved making music, who could blame them for trying to a carry on the way they saw fit?
The transition between Vices and Virtues and Too Weird to Live is very important to the point I am trying to illustrate here.
The whole band was heavy into drugs. Spencer almost died from an overdose. Brendon even said in a statement about the state of the band that he didn’t realize that his friend was so deep into his addiction because he was fine. He admitted his shortcoming and I believe this incident was a serious realization and turning point for Brendon.
The tone between VaV and TWTLTRTD is markedly different. (Don’t @me about Dallon ok? That’s a whole different can of worms and y’all get too insane about that shit. If you’re ready for the real talk you can look up the legal credit given for writing on both those records and bring me the receipts, but most of y’all are not ready for that one yet) There is a turn toward the positive here that progresses throughout the “Shambling Corpse” solo albums.
Brendon was trying to find his positive growth while still doing what he loved, because unlike many others in the genre, it wasn’t about to kill him.
Now take a step back and look at the last, oh, let’s just say, half a decade. The amount of negativity, harassment, personal privacy invasion, along with all the other shit the internet has thrown at him. As stated previously: the majority of these controversies have been proven to be false. Brendon has stated many times that he doesn’t want to be famous. He wants to be able to be himself again and live his life without being harassed (whether it’s positive or negative intention)
He needs this break. He needs to heal. It tracks that the other bands that broke earlier are back with a new outlook, they had years to figure their shit out, one way or another.
Brendon hung around and has been being ground down to nothing in the public eye for nearly two decades.
I’m glad he’s finally taking his turn.
(If you’re interested in learning more about why Brendon was “cancelled” here is an excellent master list)
#panic! at the disco#brendon urie#patd#emo trinity#emo revival#emo renaissance#cancel culture is toxic#musical analysis#long post#rant#don’t come for me#because I don’t give a shit#it’s still a parasocial relationship if you think you know a celebrity’s morals justifications etc
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Miss Sour if you were to choose a last song for patd to play what would you choose. I’ve been thinking about this since I read the set list because boy howdy do I hate it. Then again my pick would be This is Gospel which is slightly cringe.
My gut immediately says Hallelujah, I really love Death of a Bachelor and I would think it would be best to go out on a note Brendon actually liked performing so it would also be the most enjoyable for the audience and everyone involved who contributed creatively to the band.
The song is, in some ways, about eschewing religion in favor of hedonism, which I feel like is maybe one of the most prominent themes in the story of that band.
I understand Brendon says the song is about infidelity but I also think that that can absolutely be interpreted as a queer narrative, particularly the "my life started the day I got caught under the covers with secondhand lovers" verse in combination with the themes about sin and religion. Even if it's just sex in general this concept of getting kicked out for loving in a way people think is unacceptable, and then like being forced to take your own path and succeeding, is still really resonant and inspirational, I think. And I do feel it's queer, which is also an important part of Panic!'s legacy in a lot of ways.
Some of Brendon's personal story seems to be about kind of deciding he was going to completely reject his religion and upbringing and completely go the other way, and that being difficult for him but him still being 100% committed to it.
Which is something I actually really admire about Brendon and think is pretty brave. There's this text post that went viral like probably twelve years ago (old) that's "u can say what u want about brendon urie but the story about a little mormon boy that decided he wanted to be a glittery bisexual weed-smoking emo stripper really fuels me" and I think that's absolutely true and really resonates with a lot of people. And it's maybe like one of the best parts of their legacy, especially in combination with the queer stuff.
However, I think that High Hopes, which is what they actually ended on, encompasses a lot of their sort of more negative narratives, and I feel like that's actually the note they went out on. Their comment section was just absolutely destroying them.
With High Hopes, I feel like the whole theme of the song is coming from nothing. And I do think it's very admirable how Panic! made this like moon shot getting signed by Pete and becoming a sensation.
I also think that I'm sure all of them worked very hard and they really wanted it and deserved it, and I think a lot of what the band produced is excellent and required a lot of talent. But it was kind of this freak thing that happened overnight, it wasn't like they were poor and starving and grinding forever and had this dream that they were willing to move heaven and earth to make happen.
Additionally, I feel like there was a lot of conflict in the band over who "owned" things and royalties and credits, and a lot of people have claimed contrasting things. Also, at least two different journalists were deliberately insinuating in their reporting on Panic! during Fever that they were shitty about money. A major theme of High Hopes is wanting as much money as possible.
I also think there's a lot of almost compulsive lying that goes on in the story of Panic! at the Disco, and thematically High Hopes talks about that as a point of triumph with "rewrite your history, burn your biographies." Panic's lore is on a level beyond misremembering or keeping details private or exaggerating for entertainment value or whatever. That stuff is understandable but I feel like Brendon claims everything from not touching a drop of alcohol until he was 20 to being a drug dealer at 13 to suit whatever narrative he likes at the moment, and the story of how they got signed is 100% a lie and I will die on that hill lol
Most of all, I think the "Manifest Destiny" line is the most critical to the bad parts of Panic!'s legacy because I think it's like this racist ideology that God destined white people-- and a lot of Mormons-- to colonize indigenous lands and like "civilize" them, and that it was okay to take the land because God said so and they were inherently superior.
And it's like, universally recognized as not a good thing but it still ended up in the song, which I think evidences how Brendon's religion still wholly informs who he is and how he thinks, even if he's all about drugs and free love and Reddit atheism. It exemplifies how insensitive and uneducated he can be. And it exemplifies how he's so surrounded by yes-men and has removed all dissenting opinions from the band so that line still got through.
And I'm not trying to be disrespectful by equating this historic movement with real devastating consequences with dumb band politics but the core ideas about being entitled to something because you think you're special and were born to deserve it are very resonant with like the failure and drama of Panic! as a whole
And I also think that racism was a part of the legacy that Panic! left and part of their demise. There was a lot that went into their downfall but when the tide was starting to turn very, very early on there were a few incidents where something incredibly out of line would happen on Periscope like Sarah making that joke about "Negroes" and basketball. Because it was A) on Periscope and B) Sarah that said it, it was never a widely known scandal but it was just so beyond the pale I think it unsettled a lot of people at the very core of their base. I also remember that the first and only time I started hearing people at school who weren't like terminally online Tumblrinas start turning on Panic! en masse, it was when videos of him making insensitive and uneducated comments about race started trending on Twitter.
So it’s a fitting last note lol, it’s also their most commercially popular yet widely reviled song which is also in line with their final legacy
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METALHWAD JEFF YES YES !!!! i feel he dabbles in a bit of nine inch nails and type o negative too.... or like deftones oh my god his favourite deftones album is DEFINITELY either around rhe fur or adrenaline you cannot convince me otherwise😭 i can also see him listwning to tool or a perfect circle. i love seeing people hc that he listens to anything OTHER than mcr and patd and get scared and allat!!!
oh also lorna shore and mortician. yeah. he listens to that. he looks at those gore albums and goes "yeah thats some sick ass album cover art"
-🔪 nonnie <3
YOU FUCKING GET IT !!!! like i have a half made shitty playlist with metal songs n’ shit i think he’d listen to like i hate the fact everyone only sees him listening to mcr n’ shit LIKE GIVE HIM MORE !!!! PLEASE I CANT SEE HIM NOT LISTENING TO METAL I WILL GO TO MY GRAVE WITH THIS HC YOU DONT UNDERSTANDDDD
#— cadie answers#— 🔪 nonnie#YOU FUCKIN’ GET IT IM CRYING MY EYES OUT RN#GRABBING YOU AND SHAKING YOU AROUND DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW INSANE I AM ABT HIM#jeff looking at the gore albums and liking them is literally so true hes so gross so sick in the head i desire him i wont him i#I NEED TO STOP BEFORE I WORD VOMIT EVERYWHERE ABT HIM#BCUS THIS IDEA IS PLAGUING MY HEAD LIKE A PARASITE I GOTTA GET IT OUTTTT#i am so thankful for your presence you have no idea
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If Ryan had loved Led Zep and not The Beatles, maybe we'd have the Cabin Album
Two years after the release of AFYCSO, PATD fans were crying out for new music from the boys, and curious as to what they'd been working on during their stay in a cabin in the mountains of Nevada (which actually wasn't that isolated ... Mount Charleston is less than an hour's drive from Summerlin; Brendon would pop home to have dinner with his family during this time).
The band debuted material they'd been working on at Summerfest in Milwaukee on July 7 2007, playing a then untitled song later dubbed "True Love" amongst the bandom.
And the reception was not enthusiastic. To quote Pretty Odd Fever:
"I genuinely loved the song, so its reception still makes me a little sad. It felt like the majority of fans completely hated it and were absolutely brutal. There were seriously thousands of comments online tearing the band apart. Even fans who were at Summerfest said the crowd didn’t seem too impressed with the new song.
Yes, the song was a repetitive fairy tale cliche… but who knows where it fit into the album’s storyline or what the tone actually was! Brendon said that a lot of the cabin album was satirical.
[...]
Basically, a huge amount of people were hating on the lyrics (but some people still seemed to love the melody, Brendon’s vocals, or other small parts). The band absolutely saw what so many people were saying online. There’s no way they could’ve missed that even if they didn’t lurk (which Jon did). Right after Summerfest they decided to scrap the cabin album and completely start over. The album’s release date had been pushed back before Summerfest, though, so it sounded like the band was maybe already uncertain about their new material before the overly negative response."
Had PATD already decided to scrap the songs they'd been working on at the cabin before Summerfest? Or was it the audience reaction to the debut of "True Love" that caused them to rethink their musical direction and start over? Some fans still want to know what happened in Seattle (nothing) or what happened in Cape Town (nothing to do with any relationship between Brendon and Ryan) but goddamn it, I want to know what happened in the cabin.
We do know, though, that Ryan was getting massively into the Beatles about this time. Which is fine, but the course of PATD history might have been different if he'd had a Led Zeppelin phase instead. Because Led Zeppelin know something about a band's art being disdained on first hearing, and if Ryan had known his Zep history he'd have known that Stairway to Heaven was also hated by the fans on first performance.
Stairway to Heaven starts with the sounds of recorders - recorders! - before taking the listener on an almost 8 minute long aural journey across mythology, folk rock, hard rock, and a lengthy Jimmy Page guitar solo. And for all that it was hailed as a masterpiece in subsequent years, early audiences hated it. Unsure of what exactly they were hearing, they'd whistle and boo with derision, stamping their feet until the song was done and they could get back to rocking out to Whole Lotta Love. As Led Zep bass player John Paul Jones said of the the audience response to Stairway's live debut in March 1971, "They were all bored to tears waiting to hear something they knew." It wasn't until Stairway to Heaven began to receive radio play later in 1971 that the appreciation, which would later grow into adoration and obsession over the song, began.
So maybe if Ryan had been into Led Zeppelin in 2007, he'd have noted the audience reaction to True Love and said "who cares if they don't like it now? People didn't like Stairway to Heaven when they first heard it, and look at how that went." Of course for Led Zep, audience reaction was limited to what the audience saw on the night and fan chatter after shows; there were no forums or Live Journal or YouTube videos allowing fans to be on the lnternet within minutes registering their disgust throughout the world.
Maybe PATD had already decided to scrap the cabin album anyway, and just decided to give a small slice of it a public airing when they had the chance. But it's fun to imagine the alternative timeline where Panic got into Led Zeppelin instead of the Beatles; Brendon being the one with the tambourine, shirt unbuttoned to his navel, dancing around as Ryan cranked out excruciatingly lengthy solos on a double necked Gibson, having decided to hell with what the audience thought. And John's symbol for their album cover would be a cat.
#pre split panic#ryan ross#spencer smith#brendon urie#jon walker#panic at the disco#patd cabin album#cabin album#patd
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i have respect for ppl into mcr but 0 respect for the interest into fall out boy and patd
their members aside, they are almost identical to me musically but usually mcr has a depressed queer feeling to it so i allow it, and then ofc you can’t not think of their band members which is like being electrocuted with a cow prod (negative, not kinky)
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quick q i might be dumb but what do you mean in the tags of that patd tiktok? why is this song going to go over especially badly? just bc the song sounds shit or something else?
NOOOOO BECAUSE BRENDON GOT MEGACANCELLED 😭😭😭 literally he got eviscerated in 2020 for old shitty comments and (the only new thing) being friends w zack hall who was just absolutely a shithead and harassed/abused dallon and his wife for basically a decade……. literally just look at the comments or twitter search “brendon urie” and ull see how aggressively negative the public opinion of him is………. theres just no way hes gonna be able to come back and rehab his image unless he does idk SOMETHING to get out in front of it
#tbh the song sounds like fine its not that at all#i think brendon uries a huge douche and im not saying its unwarranted the way hes being shunned but it is A LITTLE extreme imo#but then again i literally already knew he was a huge stupid douche like…? i thought we all did??? hello his whole band left 3 times over#mail time!
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i do think the like popular thing being to rag on him is a bit much because personally when i dislike something i just keep my mouth shut and move on. however i do dislike brendon and the breaking point for me was when a bunch of shit came out about dallon leaving the band being very motivated by his wife being treated like shit to the point that she didn’t even come on tour anymore for how poorly and grossly she was treated by panic’s manager, who has been their manager since the very beginning. and that same guy has been called out for weird/gross treatment of fans a ton and brendon has always gone to bat for his weird behavior. so that was really what pushed me over the edge but it was something you definitely had to be pretty deep in the panic fandom at the time to have heard about in depth. and i was in deep infatuation with patd for a solid 2 years so yeah there’s that. i know a lot of people dislike him for sa allegations (a twitter thread and a tiktok iirc. sound familiar ?) and also for weird comments he’s made. and a lot of them date back to like 10+ years ago so those i’m like meh but he did as recently as like 2019ish casually drop a transphobic slur during a livestream and also casually dropped the n word while singing along to a song on stream as well. so yeah i See why people dislike him and have my own reasons for it. and i know u weren’t asking for an explanation really but. yeah. i agree with u in the sense that if they really hate him and think he doesn’t deserve a platform then stop namedropping him bc negative clout is still clout. and also that it feels like most of them don’t even know The Lore or why they’re denouncing him. and will add in that any twitter thread u read on “why brendon bad” Always includes “he sa’d ryan ross” which irks me to no end. because they’re referencing how they would like almost kiss and grope each other on stage and shit way back when. and claim it was non consensual and made ryan uncomfortable based on like 1 comment from a single circumstance from the time. and for me that aspect of it is just like At that point in time they were friends and bandmates and u are making a lot of assumptions to be making that claim and making ryan out to be a victim when it’s only really his place to speak on that. ok sorry i just have such a love hate relationship with panic at this point bc of brendon and ryan ross is my parasocial girlfriend. so yeah.
anon i just can’t fight the patd fight i can’t lol
#i have a lot of thoughts#but i think legally i’m only allowed to go to bat for one cancelled band and ig thats atl#but claire and i were having a great convo about how it’s so easy for people to act like ryan is perfect when he just simply hasn’t been#in the spotlight the way panic has#brendon* sorry lol#but truly not invested enough to debate strangers on the internet#yes i know all the stuff that went down with zack (zach?) and i’m just….. i don’t care#i encourage everyone to do their own research on the topic#i’m too old for this shit and i just collect cancelled bands like trading cards i hide in a box under my bed#answered ask#patd
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no literally dallon weekes also deserves better than being know as just the guy that was in patd and personally after all the shit with his wife being why he finally left the band i think he deserves to shit talk them publicly all he wants. i would even support him beating brendon’s ass like i would look away i would not see it
okay see i get ur point but this is the exact shit im talking about 😭
let the guy make his own music and make snide comments if he wants (does he even do this? has he ever said something negative about the band/brendon? i don’t keep up w him like that ngl); what a lot of people forget is that these guys grew up and made music together for a long fucking time—sure they went their separate ways and have their hang ups but fans constantly encouraging them to hold onto rage against their teenage bands other ex-members and constantly talking about how much they obviously hate each other is so childish and is holding them back IMO.
#the art of the ask#for the record i don’t really give a shit about brendon but i also think going out of ur way to talk about every single thing he does#is having the opposite of the intended effect of trying to get him to fade into obscurity#like everytime he puts out music people are jumping at the bit to be like “’oh RYAN would never make something this bad.. DALLON could do#better’ like jesus christ let them all move on—that Includes when brendon does smth under the name
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