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#on my rhaenicent shit again
fkevin073 · 1 year
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the best friends of our childhood are the loves of our lives, and they break our hearts in the worst ways. - Fredrick Backman
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percentstardust · 1 year
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one of the guards: your grace, the princess has gotten into a fight.
viserys: again? what was the reason this time?
rhaneyra: they were being mean to alicent.
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daenystheedreamer · 2 months
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OH for the ship grid: i had time on my day off and wanted to see what the most popular gay ships on asoiaf ao3 are (so what is popular when you exclude m/f tags and ships) so the following ten for the meme: aemond/lucerys, alicent/rhaenyra, theon/robb, sansa/margaery, theon/ramsay, renly/loras, jon/robb, aegon ii/jacaerys, tormund/jon, sansa/daenerys can’t wait to see where u place these, peace&love 🫶
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HERE MY FRIEND again the makes sense axis is a combo of 'does it make sense in canon' and 'do i understand why people ship it' so if it looks a bit weird thats why 🫶 ship discussions udner the cut mwah
aemond lucerys.... look i get it. i do get it. 1) urge for yaoi 2) there are crumbs you can bake 3) cute actors. i understand. im deep in the yaoi trenches i understand seme uke i get it i get it. but also the idea its like Canon or an accurate reading of either character is soo...... lucerys is not a femme fatale or an ingenue. he is a plot device. and aemond.... aemond's 'obsession' with lucerys is more one bred from insecurity as opposed to yaoi lust. but i do get it. one love to the lucemond people. wish u guys would be normal about the UNDERAGE luke actor. he's an adult now but can we not do countdown shit. weird as hell...
rhaenicent #1 its literally canon. its subtext its textual its openly a part of the narrative. the complex web of sexuality, womanhood and patriarchy that seeps rhaenicent is so compelling. alicent as a lesbian and rhaenyra as a butch/lesbian/bisexual/trans/dragongender are genuinely compelling analyses of the characters. #1 foreva
im normal about throbb now<3 i think in canon the theon bisexual analysis is interesting but not super vital to his character. his sexuality and manhood certainly, but i like throbb more cos i like theon rather than on its own merits.
sansaery ❤️ i enjoy sansaery as a way to explore sansa's character and specifically her as a lesbian. both characters are fun and interesting but its high up cos it has a special place in my heart<3
im not really into thramsay i have no thoughts on it. one love to the thramsays though u guys are warriors. i think it has wayyy more sub/textual basis in canon than throbb
renloras is just canon so i dont have much thoughts on it. its sweet! make me sad. rip babes loras you would have loved gymbro culture.
jonrobb is meh to me idk 🤷‍♀️ theyre fine as brothers and there's not much analysis to be had of their relationship beyond that. one love to the brocons ig. cousincons
aegon x jace is beyond nothing to me sorry 😭 but thats mostly cos im not super into the dance or hotd beyond rhaenicent. i get why it exists but there's little to no basis in canon to bake nor does it have much analysis. one love to the jacegons of course
JONMUND... okay book jonmund is meh whatever but show jonmund is real to me. jon post canon is operating a cozy bed and breakfast with tormund in alaska beyond the wall. one of my fave crackships. he's kissed by fire!
daensa🍋❤️ i love u daensa. very important to my bi!dany and lezzo!sansa thoughts. song of ice and fire 🫶
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Honestly in my own little universe, Alicent is a lesbian queen who lives in denial due to her upbringing, and my girl Rhae is bisexual queen. In my head, Rhaenicent is real. I tell myself that Alicent is now who she is, not only because of her father, but because she got jealous over what happened, and she became heartbroken, and then her resentment started to brew, and she became bitter. Not only because Rhaenyra does have more freedom, and liberties when she's tried so hard to follow the rules, and it's gotten her nothing but paranoia, and unhappiness, BUT also because Rhaenyra managed to move on while Alicent is still stuck.
Before anyone wants to say shit, I like daemyra, so don't come here bashing another ship simply because it goes against yours. I firmly believe that Daemon and Rhaenyra do love each other, even if it may have been under other circumstances with Daemon at first because some say he did it for power, if thats the case I still believe he's managed to fall in love with her anyway. I don't think that, I think he's always loved her, but I'm just saying that for those who want to step in with that argument.
AND I also firmly believe that Rhaenyra and Alicent love each other as well. I think for Rhaenyra, Alicent was her first love, but after everything, she's moved on, but still holds that first love connection with her, and cares for her even if she's tries to pretend otherwise.
However, I don't think the same of Alicent. Instead of moving on, she lost herself to her heartache, and has now changed because of it. Like most of the things she does is based on Rhaenyra. Doing something so that Rhaenyra won't win, saying this and that to open people's eyes and turn them against Rhaenyra even though people aren't blind, put her children against Rhaenyra, constantly talking about Rhaenyra, it's all Rhaenyra based. My girl is stuck on her, and will forever be stuck from what I see. Rhaenyra is her center, and without it, she falls, but with it, she focuses so much on it negatively that she does everything against her. It's always Rhaenyra for her. Her first love, her still love, her enemy, her heart breaker, her angst, her light as the director said, she's everything to her.
Again, this is what I see it as in my head.
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gojuo · 10 months
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What do u think of the concept of Alicent (likely with Larys) deciding to pull the trigger on Aegon? I've seen the theory thrown around, and though a bit trite 😬 it seems probable, hotd being so focused on Alicent as the heroine. Yaaasss female agency #filicide
Sounds like something straight out of an anti-Aegon pro-Rhaenicent shipper's wet dream. I'm crying because such a thing would be character assassination on par with what happened to Aegon in the show for Alicent. Rhaenicents like that remind me of D*emyra shippers, insisting that what they have is true and tragic love, meanwhile D*emon actively and knowingly destroyed Rh*enyra's person and life, and the same goes for Rhaenicent with Rh*enyra taking on the role of D*emon in the relationship.
In F&B, Alicent gives Rh*enyra multiple peace offerings, tries to prevent war from happening on numerous occasions, Rh*enyra starts both the feud and the war, meanwhile Alicent is forced to war for the sake of her family's safety, because Rh*enyra never accepted the olive branch Alicent extended many times over. And while I'm not that delusional to think that there was no sliver of megalomania from the Greens camp as motivation, Rh*enyra's family's safety was never at stake, whereas for Alicent it sure was.
It's even worse in the show because Rh*enyra literally goes on to blame fourteen-year-old Alicent for her continuous rape by her own father for over three long years and never once reconciles with her. Alicent, in the meantime, tries multiple times to patch things up between them, is the one to help Rh*enyra and Viserys repair their relationship, protects and defends Rh*enyra's reputation and honor, undermines her own son in order to continue to defend Rh*enyra's claim, urges Rh*enyra to be honest with her, after which Rh*enyra goes on to spit in Alicent's face and lie anyway ON HER MOTHER'S GRAVE while she knows very well how much Alicent's mom's death affected her, Alicent told Viserys to trust Rh*enyra over D*emon, and chose her over Aegon and Otto.
And do pray tell, when has Rh*enyra ever done anything for Alicent? Like, a single thing. What has Rh*enyra ever sacrificed for Alicent? When has Rh*enyra defended her from anything? When has Rh*enyra ever had Alicent's back? When? I'll tell you the answer: quite literally never. And worst of all, this is only the things that have happened up until this point. We still got all the shit that's gonna happen when the war starts, and ohhh boy...
Most people seem to forget this, but B&C also assaulted Alicent. Alicent was in that room when Jaehaerys was beheaded, Jaehaera almost raped, and Helaena tortured. B&C, which Rh*enyra fully sanctioned.
And that isn't even the tip of the iceberg, but I'm not gonna get too into it right now. This shit got too long already, but what it comes down to — which the show completely failed to convey as a consequence of the writers' own incompetence and lack of understanding of the Dance — is that Alicent went to war for Aegon. She went to war for her family. She did it to protect them from Rh*enyra and D*emon because those two would have killed them all, just like they did to Vaemond and the Silent Five. In the end, she only has Aegon and Jaehaera left, her only family those two couldn't manage to kill. The thought that Alicent would poison Aegon, her first baby boy, the one she did all of this for, for the bitch that ruined her life and her family is something a person needs to get put down for in my humble opinion and never speak on Alicent ever again.
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lucyghoul · 10 months
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@lottieurl tagged me to share my unpopular opinions about 5 fandoms!
yellowjackets
love and light but i hate mistynat. like i know people shipped it before nat died but to me it really feels like the momentum started afterwards, surrounding the whole oh no misty accidentally killed the love of her life and she's so sad and it's fucked up and crazy too!!! which sure if that floats your boat go for it. but to me it feels a lot like just a justification for nat's sloppy and narratively unhelpful death. if i didn't feel this strongly about nat's death i might not care as much about mistynat. we all know i'm a natlottietravis girl and it just feels so much more!!!!!! like the narrative is connecting these three people and their actions are all rippling out to affect each other. every single thing natalie does in season 1 is motivated by travis, just like everything she does in 2 is either in opposition to or alignment with lottie. misty just doesn't fit in there at ALL for me. and is actually just a distraction. and i can live with it all unless season three is the Misty Is Sad About Killing Nat season. i will tap out if that's the case. also just overall season 2 was a flop and they better pull something MAGICAL out of their asses to get me to the place i was like pre-2.05
house of the dragon
my main hotd take is that daemon is essential to both the story AND to the existence of rhaenicent. you cannot have one without the other. rhaenyra is shaped by both daemon and alicent from childhood and is tied to them for the rest of her life. removing daemon from that equation or treating him as anything but a person that rhaenyra loves and needs is pointless and a complete misunderstanding of the show. christon sucks ass. alicent is a full on lesbian. larys also sucks ass and there's no juice between him and alicent it is simply creepery.
shadow and bone
i mean this probably isn't too unpopular for my followers but widely just like. darklina is forever and always what that series is about. mal is a useless waste of space who wants what is worst for alina. alina starkov should be allowed to kill and maim and drink aleksander's blood and have nasty insane sex!!!! the ending of ruin and rising is literally a death sentence for her and not in the murder-suicide way that i want!!!!!!!!!
succession
again like i know my mutuals will agree but. romangerri is literally the most important non-sibling dynamic in the entire show and roman's character is so much more more fleshed out and interesting with gerri involved. AND the same goes for gerri. those two are in LOVE love even if they will never know it. they have multiple shoes please esk moments like are you kidding me. roman ceo gerri chair would have been my ideal ending in a dream world
hacks
i hate jimmy and kayla. i like them separately but every time they are onscreen together the entire episode starts dragging and i have to slap myself to stay engaged. the weird sexual harrassment joke went on WAY too long but even outside of that i'm like paul. paul. i know you wrote yourself into the show but PLEASE
no pressure, but tagging @nicollekidman @alyswesthill @lottienat @sapphicscience @tennesseewillams and @hunterbiden and anyone else who wants an excuse to shit talk
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My favorite WLW ships as taylor swift songs <3
Wenclair: midnight rain
“She was sunshine / I was midnight rain / she wanted it comfortable / I wanted that pain”
Rhaenicent: my tears ricochet
“and I can go anywhere I want / anywhere I want / just not home / and you can aim for my heart / go for blood / but you would still miss me in your bones”
Macevans: labyrinth
“you know how much I hate that everybody just expects / me to bounce back / just like that / uh oh, I’m falling in love / oh no, I’m falling in love again / oh, I’m falling in love / I thought the plane was going down / how’d you turn it right around”
Sameena: don’t blame me
“don’t blame me / love made me crazy / if it doesn’t you ain’t doing it right / lord save me / my drug is my baby / I’ll be using for the rest of my life”
Ronance: lavender haze
“I’ve been under scrutiny / you handle it beautifully / all this shit is new to me / I feel the lavender haze creeping up on me”
Shoni: renegade
“are you really gonna talk about timing in times like these / and let all your damage damage me / and carry your baggage up my street?”
Choni: false god
“daring you to leave me just so I can try and scare you / you’re the west village / you still do it for me babe”
Beronica: betty
“will you have me / will you love me / will you kiss me on the porch in front of all your stupid friends / if you kiss me would it be just like I dreamed it / will it patch your broken wings?”
Dreleanor: mastermind
“No one wanted to play with me as a little kid / so I’ve been scheming like a criminal ever since / to make them love me / and make it seem effortless / this is the first time / I’ve felt the need to confess / and I swear / I’m only cryptic and machiavellian because I care”
Dorlene: cowboy like me
“oh, I thought / this is gonna be one of those things / now I know / I’m never gonna love again”
Bioquake: dorothea
“but it’s never too late to come back to my side / the stars in your eyes shined brighter in Tupelo / and if you’re ever tired / of being known for who you know / you know you’ll always know me”
AbbyMax: the great war
“it turned into something bigger / somewhere in the haze / got a sense I’d been betrayed / your finger on my hairpin triggers / soldier down on that icy ground / looked up at me with honor and truth / broken and blue / so I called off the troops”
Nobleflower: hoax
“don’t want know other shade of blue / but you / no other sadness in the world would do”
Simmorse: snow on the beach
“you wanting me tonight feels impossible / but it’s coming down / no sound, it’s all around / like snow on the beach”
Maeve & Aimee: sweet nothing
“all these people think love’s for show / but I would die for you in secret”
Lunet: delicate
“my reputation’s never been worse so / you must like me for me / we can’t make / any promises now can we babe / but you can make me a drink”
Kiarah: seven
“your braids like a pattern / love you to the moon and to Saturn / passed down like folk songs / the love lasts so long”
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patrocles · 9 months
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"but “you’ll make a fine queen”? aemond should have set that entire table on fire no but i do think a conversation between aemond and alicent after the dinner to make sense of what the fuck all that was about was sorely warranted" People always joke that Aemond was crying at Alicent's bedside after pulling away from her like that but what Alicent did is much more egregious for their relationship than what Aemond did. Would be interesting explore but people care more about the rhaenicent win
dont get me wrong i definitely made those jokes too.
but you know what was just sorely missing from this show? conversations. i love conversations and i love when people talk about things. that scene with Aegon and Alicent? Beautiful, no notes.
i absolutely think having a conversation between aemond and alicent especially in ep 9 about Whats going On and how do we Feel About It and Lets Share Some Contained Vulnerabilities Because We Are Emotionally Dependent on Each Other given Past Events and so Audiences Can Reference This Emotional Moment Again When Our Relationship Really Tanks After Storms End would have been great
there’s a lot of pacing issues in general but i feel like so much was missing when you don’t let characters just have Conversations. i’ll never give DnD credit for shit if i can get away with it but that s1 scene of GOT with robert and cersei? truly one of the best scenes of the whole series. there’s no reason why we couldnt have a scene like that between alicent and viserys towards the end.
it’s supposed to be this like Family Drama and yet at times it never really felt like anyone had a relationship to one another besides existing within the same plot as each other? like why did we have people sound isolating clips to find a background conversation between aegon and aemond when it was relevant to the plot anyways??
idk idk.. maybe since we arent speed-running the timeline in s2 and onward, they can slow down and let these people talk to one another. i literally cant be fucked to care abt big plot points and battles bit i will be biting thru my fingers if helaena and aegon are allowed to TALK TO EACH OTHER. LET THEM SPEAK
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atopvisenyashill · 16 days
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I agree a lot with the anon talking about Dany and Viserys' death. I've always seen it as Dany's equivalent to Littlefinger's show trial (as a relative and abuser brought to a painful and unexpected end by someone else on their behalf), and she was decidedly less involved in it than Sansa. A good foreshadowing example instead is her reaction when Drogo talks about invading Westeros.
Still, I've also always felt that there's an indication for Dany's ending in there as well, though not how D&D intended.
They spent several seasons playing with the idea of Dark Sansa, but Littlefinger's execution is the absolute darkest she ever got. That's where her darkness ends; meanwhile, Dany's story started with it, and she just kept/will keep going down from there. The standards for Dany's MOs were never the same as the other main characters' (save Tyrion), which shows well how villainous she was meant to become when put side by side to the heroic characters.
wait because i JUST saw a tweet (one of my rhaenicent friends quote-tweeted to make fun lol) where someone was like "oh when dany tries to reclaim her seat it's all 'she must pay for the crimes of her family' but when the starks do it it's fine" and my friend was like "okay now talk about the crimes dany herself has committed!!" so i was just thinking about this lol.
because yeah like, a lot of the problem here is that so far as we are into the series, the only comparable crime any stark has committed to dany specifically was bran warging hodor and i dare say we are going to dig into the evil of that in his next chapters, the same way george took like, an entire book to delve into the moral and ethical ramifications of trying to rule over a city you just sacked in adwd. a lot of arya's kills are pretty cut and dry self defense with the exception of daeron the singer (icr how he spells his name it might not be that valyrian spelling), and she almost immediately loses her eyesight for that one, so it's sort of like, well, arya and bran are clearly on their way to Face Some Consequences, but their moral failings are also on a much more interpersonal level here than anything going on in dany's story (because.....that's the point imo, that dany affects so much without really thinking through what she's affecting; she is not the only character being used to make this point tho, just imo one of hte more prominent).
and beyond that, show wise, like you said, the most evil sansa gets is *checks notes* murdering the two men who have been regularly abusing her for years in a way that you could say was kinda overkill. is it great when you come at it from a political standpoint? no, it's not like, fantastic. and even though it is. just the dumbest shit especially because there are once again no repercussions for it, i DO very much dislike that arya was the one that did the Red Wedding 2.0/Rat Cook thing that Lady Stoneheart/Manderly are actually in charge for (which like, listen I love Manderly so so much but obviously murdering a couple of dudes and baking them into pies to feed to their family is not like, um, great from a moral or political standpoint). so while you could definitely argue that show arya is morally bankrupt on a similar level as dany - and you can do the same for jon snow too, because that absolute idiot just hands over the north to a lady he knows is a little fire and blood happy for what reason exactly?? - you can't argue sansa is, like point blank, or bran.
and ultimately, like, idc about the show lol when i'm discussing their actions i'm talking about the books and imo while everyone's story plays with morality and ethics and politics etc etc there are some characters who are pretty clearly sliding down morality wise early on - as you say, tyrion's mo is pretty regularly threatening to rape people, and then dany spends the last few chapters of her first book trying to rationalize war time slavery and rape, and then murders her slave to hatch some dragons. jaime throws a literal child out a window. cersei helps murder a bunch of other kids, gives innocent women over to be tortured to death, and doesn't even attempt to curb the abuses of sansa. and then you have sansa, who may or may not be knowingly poisoning sweetrobin - it's unclear but seems likely she just doesn't understand how dangerous the substances she's feeding sweetrobin are - and arya who commits a few murders in self defense, then kills one or two dudes in cold blood and faces immediate consequences. bran who is in the middle of an unresolved story arc where he's mind raping someone. arianne and asha both attempt to gain power and while there are some victims they're both taking pains to limit the amount of victims, and carry a lot of guilt for the damage they've done and are trying to atone for it, in their own ways. it's like...........idk feels like a slightly marked difference between some of these characters here. it's why i can't discount a bad ending for bran - obviously i want a happier ending for him, and i think it's foreshadowed to be likely but i'm not stupid, mind raping hodor is probably one of the worst things someone has done, morally, in this series on page, and I do think he's going to grapple with this substantially, in the same way that Dany will one day have to face the truth that she murdered MMD and Drogon harmed the little girl hazzea, and those deaths - and the deaths in Astapor, Meereen, and Yunkai - are something she needs to take into account as her war effort chugs along.
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Hi, a question why do I see posts saying Aegon's kids are Aemond? When did that happen?
B&C happened because of Aegon throwing a feast in appreciation of Aemond killing Lucerys. The quote itself can be seen as a jab to Alicent too, cause she demanded an eye of a child. Aemond killed Queen's son, so they took usurper king, Aegon's son. The kids are Aegon's not kinslayer's. show runners like the greens but even they know people will literally laugh at them, they'll not turn this show into a very unfunny joke to make a green fanfic true.
Actors say a lot of stuff, but normal viewers don't care about imaginary rhaenicent or one liner of imagined helaena and aemond ship, i'd say even most fandom doesnt except the shippers. that stuff stays in fanfics not in the show, even show alicent will not bow down to rhaenyra, not when she made her walk after giving birth, they changed stuff but not the core of the story, she said nothing to cole when he called her a spoilt cu**. her ass doesnt care about her, hell rhaenyra in first ep didnt like when daemon asked for alicents favour, she was even laughing at dinner scene when they were fighting, rhaenyra rose first to stop them, then her ass came, she was smirking when aemond made his toast.
rhaenyra will not give two shits about her when she is the reason luke is dead, jace will die, little viserys assumed dead. her love for her sons triumph whatever imaginary agenda these people are pushing for rhaenicent, literally no mother would give a shit about another woman if her son killed hers. thats why they scrapped off the scripts in which rhaenyra is not even herself but a weird doormat.
hi anon
That is just a theory made by some fan, but in the book and in the show there is nothing that suggest aegon's children to be aemonds. The actors or the writers said in an interview that haelemond shipper will not be disappoint by next season, but personally I do not think they will make this change from the book. B&C was a clear attack to aegon as you said, daemon was like "now you will feel the pain you celebrated" but it was the best revenge in my opinion. It hurt every green in the worst way possible. Since the show runners seem to be obsessed with making the green better than in the book I feel like the canon will not be respected, again unfortunately, and the part of Aegon’s feast will be omitted. I agree with you anon, I expected a lot from this show which in my opinion had a great potential, the actors are very good and the settings are great but it was completely ruined by writers making it look like a fic, and in an attempt to create a "feminist series" they only created inconsistent characters that go on to confirm patriarchal stereotypes.
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davinaswp · 2 years
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you know what, this episode would have been a pretty good episode to end on. We get daemyra wedding, alicent finally losing her shit and the whole aemond thing. They should’ve stretched out the storyline from these past episodes to last until ep 10 and it would’ve been fine ? It would’ve given us more time with characters like Laena and Harwin who might die before the dance but are still important to the characters involved. Laena dying so fast without us seeing her relationship with daemon and rhaenyra was the first time I disagreed with the shows changes from the books. Especially because they made her a poc in the show too so actively reducing her role from her yt book counterpart felt icky in that sense.
I don’t get the dummies saying alicent took Laenas screentime tho since their stories aren’t even related. Alicent has been one of the best changes from the book, even now whether you like her or not, her arc has been consistently developed and well thought out. To take that away reduces the quality of the show bc she is an active participant in the dance and her story/POV matters.
“rhaenicent stole from laenyra” theyre in diff timelines? laenyra would have gotten close during rhaenyras marriage to laenor AFTER she and alicent had broken up. one did not take away from the other? they should’ve both been able to exist
also would just like to point out that if anything, laena was mistreated to show how daemon only loves rhaenyra, it’s obvious the show wants to portray daemyra as soulmates and doesn’t want us rooting too much for the other couples. again tho, they all shoulda been able to all coexist, fawk this time skip, all my homies hate time skips 🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️
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slicedblackolives · 2 years
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2,3,4,5,9 and 10 for the salty asks.. also.. i'm a fan of your theme.
baby i reblogged it more than a year ago 😭
But ok
2. hmmmmmmmm. hank and raven are brotp because raven's a lesbian
3. i have unfollowed so many people over woobifying charles or calling erik evil/having a bad faith engagement with his radicalism or shitting on rhaenicent even though i truly loathe alicent and want her to die
4. i don't think I have any notp's in my fandom... Alicent x Criston. Again. A lesbian. can't stand yurabek because I don't care about those characters.
5. the early 2010s liberal brainrot tried to ruin cherik for me so badly
9. tie between criston cole and alicent. otto is like, a little better because he just wants power and doesn't have that religious fanatic air. i hate him as well though.
10. Why. The hell. Did they make Erik agree with a nazi. What the fuck.
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remembering how they made sansa bitch about not having enough resources and the fandom hating daenerys for entering and the north and wanting her gone, but the same fandom giving daenerys shit for returning to dragonstone (despite the north being hostile to her and her people and very reluctant to offer a silver of help with some respect) and claiming sansa was right and daenerys should of stayed in wf and her dragon might not have been attacked despite the fandom being ugly about “a foreign whore” being in WF (even tho dany never went to straight into battle, she literally went home to rest where her and her people wouldn't be treated with disrespect? and the writers decided a dragon high above can't see a fleet of ships below....) and the fandom claiming daenerys is stealing their limited resources, but somehow in the final episode sansa was able to move 'thousands' of northmen with her from WF to KL and then back again while declaring war, while also somehow having enough resources to create a huge coronation for herself...
LOL nonnie, most show!Sansa stans claiming she's proved to be the most clever of all the players are just fooling themselves. I'm not even hating on Sansa when I say the writing was absolutely ridiculous, I'm just stating facts: Sansa doesn't know better than anyone how to protect and feed a kingdom, far from it. In fact, she has absolutely zero experience in learning how to rule, protect and feed a kingdom.
Remember in 7x03 after Jon left Sansa in charge of Winterfell, and we see her talking to men and giving them advice?
You're telling me we don't have enough food, especially not if the armies of the North come back to defend Winterfell? No, my lady, most likely not. Then we must prepare for that eventuality. Whatever direction the threat comes from, this is the best place to be. We need to start building up our grain stores with regular shipments from every keep in the North. If we don't use it by winter's end, we'll give it back to them. But if the entire North has to flee to Winterfell, they won't have enough time to bring wagonloads of grain with them. Very wise, my lady.
Yeah, the North already didn't have enough food. That's a real problem Sansa has absolutely no experience in dealing with, unlike Dany. I'm not even gonna mention the books, your message is about the show. While book!Sansa lecturing book!Dany about feeding her people would be even more ridiculous, even show!Dany has way more experience than show!Sansa. Which is normal, since Dany has a leadership arc, unlike Sansa who only got one later in the show, out of nowhere.
Back to 7x03:
Are they covering those breastplates in leather? No, my lady. Well, shouldn't they be? Once the real cold comes?
And the man just looks at her like she said something incredibly clever that would have never crossed the mind of the men used to doing this job. But somehow, Sansa knows better than them about making an armour. I'm surprised we didn't also see her telling a blacksmith how to forge weapons. The whole "Sansa knows best" was so ridiculous, it was almost hilarious to see all those Northerners looking at her like she was a freakin genius and they would all be lost without her wisdom.
Now 8x01:
May I ask, how are we meant to feed the greatest army the world has ever seen? While I ensured our stores would last through winter, I didn't account for Dothraki, Unsullied and two full-grown dragons.
They didn't have enough food to begin with, and even if there have been regular shipments to build their grain store, it's not nearly enough. Especially not to last through winter, because it could last 20 years in this universe! There's no way Sansa managed to pull off that miracle, but let's say she did: then it's bullshit to say there's not enough to feed Dany and her armies since they're not gonna stay there for years. It's not a freakin siege, the Wall has fallen, the Night King and his army of the dead will be there very soon and afterwards Dany and her armies have KL to take so... And what's that about the fact she "didn't account" for Dany's armies? What the hell did she think Jon was doing on Dragonstone? Taking a vacation? The whole point was to convince Daenerys to come North with her armies and her dragons, so she's either saying she didn't expect Jon to succeed or that she didn't understand why he was going... But Sansa stans somehow think that was a badass moment, that also showed she had been ruling the North so well while Jon went away? Huh, what?
Yep, D&D told us "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet"... look, when we reach that level of stupidity, there's really nothing left to say. But of course, it's Dany's fault because Sansa told her in 8x04 to wait so the men have time to rest and recuperate. Because Dany has shown time and time again how much she didn't give a crap about the people while Sansa has been their biggest advocate since the start. Sorry, I kinda forgot to watch the earlier seasons before writing that last sentence...
If you look outside the walls of your city, you'll find thousands of Northmen who will explain to you why harming Jon Snow is not in your interest.
Oh, the finale. The thousands of Northmen who are here to... wait, rewind to 8x05: are those Northmen not listening to Jon after Daenerys doesn't stop and decides to burn down KL? Are those Northmen fighting with the Unsullied against the Lannister soldiers who had surrendered? Is Jon killing one of his own men who tried to rape a woman and attacked him then? Yep, seems like it. They didn't follow Jon's orders, they followed Dany's signal and fought with her armies. So it's once again freakin hilarious that the Northmen are apparently here on Sansa's command to defend Jon's life.
About Sansa's coronation, perhaps Bran sent her resources since he was like "no problem sis, you'll be QITN even though it totally ruins the argument that you wanted independance to protect the North from Daenerys". He'll probably have to send her food, or the North will starve. But none of that matters: what matters is that Sansa was right all along about Daenerys thanks to everything she learned from Cersei and Littlefinger, proving she was smarter than anyone else, and that she got her crown.
Also, if you don't like Sansa you're a misogynist who doesn't like her because she's feminine and wear dresses. You only love female characters if they have dragons or know how to fight with a sword. You're just angry because Sansa outsmarted everyone and jealous that she was able to see Dany was a tyrant while you thought she was a hero or something, totally forgetting about what she did to those poor innocent slavers.
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73 notes - Posted November 20, 2022
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I always found it absolutely insane that people who hate the Targaryens cling to Aemond and Aegon when they have some of the most aggressively Targaryens traits that most antis would use as criticism. Big ego, incest, war criminal, bad decision makers, incompetent, hot-blooded, stubborn, do what the hell they want. Petulant, impatient, and bloodthirsty. Actually, few Targaryens were as ruthless and bloodthirsty as Aemond. He murdered his own nephew under a peace banner and started a war, slaughtered the entirety of House Strong (y'know, Alys' family...) under the mere suspicion of one of them being a traitor, and used Vhagar to reduce the Riverlands to smoking piles of ash.
It's called hypocrisy, nonnie. Aegon and Aemond aren't just Targaryens, they're Alicent's children. You'll find that anti Targaryens and Alicent stans are often the same people, and hypocrisy is just typical coming from them. They don't hate Targaryens because they're agressive. They hate Targaryens because GRRM clearly finds their House more interesting than the others (it's the only one he dedicated an entire book about, with a sequel coming). They hate Targaryens because they have a more important role than their faves. They hate Targaryens because they hate Daenerys and the fact her stans still love and defend her.
You have people coming up with nonsense about Sansa being Alicent's descendant even though her line is extinct, because Alicent and Sansa stans are, once again, often the same people, and since Daenerys is Rhaenyra's descendant they came up with this to give Sansa more importance and have her avenging her ancestor by defeating Dany, with Jon's help according to Jonsa shippers.
They don't care what Aemond did, because he's Alicent's precious boy. But Dany is an awful tyrant who will burn down KL just like in the show because Targaryens are evil. Once again, hypocrisy and the usual double standards in this fandom.
83 notes - Posted December 11, 2022
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out of curiosity have you watched the youtubers hills alive dany vids ( I avoided them because she seems to be a dany anti given the title of the vids ) but is she one of the people you talk about when talking about dany antis since recently she made a vid saying that her crucifixion of the masters proves she is a bad queen
I just watched it since many people are talking about it. More nonsense, but I’m sure a lot of people are eating it up - including antis Dany who insisted for years that it made her a tyrant, or mad, and who will now say “have you watched this video? it’s proof that she’s a bad queen!” because they found someone who sounded smarter than them. I’m not gonna comment everything, only a few parts:
Killing people who have enslaved, abused, mutilated, and murdered countless people for their own profit is not something anyone will ever be inclined to argue against.
Funny, because that’s exactly what antis Dany have been doing for years.
Ultimately, regardless of who did what, these are all masters who engaged in human trafficking and all sorts of unimaginable violations of basic human rights.
Duh. So it’s wrong because...? Ah, yes, an “interesting” take on why it makes Dany a bad Queen: she didn’t know which masters were responsible for the 163 crucified children, so she shouldn’t have allowed the Meereenese to pick which ones would be killed. There was no investigation or trial. Please explain to me how she could have discovered the ones responsible for the 163 crucified children, how she could have been sure those were the ones guilty of that particular crime with everyone accusing each other to be spared? It wasn’t possible. Either she’s delusional about it, either she’s aware of it and is, in fact, saying that Dany shouldn’t have killed any of the masters.
Ironically, despite the fact that this was meant to be a harsh punishment to the slavers [...], it actually provided a lot of the more politically intelligent and manipulative masters of Meereen with an opportunity to strengthen themselves and get rid of potential rivals. [...] They would put forward their enemies and protect their allies. Or they would simply throw out the weakest of the bunch because there would be little consequences for betraying the people who aren’t truly powerful in their societal structure. So what that in mind, it is a near certainty that some if not most of the people who Dany killed were not only not responsible for what she was killing them for, but wound up on the literal cross because they were not powerful enough for their compatriots to bother protecting them, or because someone with more sway or political acumen wanted them gone.
That sounds like an interesting, logical argument. Except that Dany isn’t stupid and she knew she couldn’t discover who was responsible for the 163 crucified children. So she sent a message instead by asking the Meereenese to hand over 163 of their leaders and crucify them: you shouldn’t have done that, and this is what’s gonna happen to you if you touch innocents again. If she had picked herself who would be punished, she would be blamed too since she had no way of knowing which slavers were behind the crucifixion of the 163 children. If she had thought that it would be the ones responsible for it, the most powerful people in Meereen, the most dangerous who were chosing which ones would die and decided to punish the former ones instead, she would have been accused, again, of not having any proof.
So Dany was supposed to go to Meereen and tell them they were terrible people, but not do anything. That’s what she’s saying in this video.
She largely seems to see Meereen as a trial run to figure out how she is going to rule Westeros.
That person has literally zero understanding of Daenerys. She chose to fight slavery because she’s been a slave herself. She cares about those people. She’s not fighting slavery to figure out how she’s gonna rule the Seven Kingdoms: she’s fighting slavery because it’s a fight she believes in. It’s so important to her character, you can’t even talk about Daenerys Targaryen without talking about this.
If there were anyone among them who supported Daenerys or had some kind of ethical agreement with her desire to revolutionize the slave cities, they ironically were almost certainly among those that the Meereenese offered up to be killed.
That’s only a wild guess, with no proof to back it up. Does she truly believe any of those slavers wanted things to change? Of course they didn’t.
She then points out Dany’s previous mistakes, because apparently everyone is allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, except Dany. Once she made a mistake, they have the proof that she’s not a good ruler and will never be a good Queen. What’s interesting though in this video is that she points out the subtext in ASOIAF, how GRRM is writing a storyline with a message behind it. She’s doing the same thing here, avoiding the past mistakes of antis Dany. She doesn’t try to defend the slavers, she doesn’t try to excuse any of the masters, she doesn’t say Dany shouldn’t have done anything. Instead, she’s pointing out how Dany is a bad Queen because of how she tries to fight slavery, offering absolutely no opinion on what she could have done to succeed.
And that’s really the whole point of this video, in fact: Dany doesn’t offer a good justice and made enemies because of course slavers don’t want her to be in Meereen fighting slavery. There’s no good way to fight slavery, so she shouldn’t have been in Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen. If she’s gonna make mistakes, it’s best not to do anything. If she’s not gonna succeed, it’s not worth trying. Slavery is absolutely atrocious, she insists on this in her video and I do believe she is sincere (edit: after knowing more about her, she isn’t being sincere at all), but it’s not our business and it’s not Dany’s business. We can’t fight it, so we’re just gonna sit around and cry about it. It’s nor our fault, really. In fact, people like Dany trying to break the status quo are the ones in fault because they start huge fights and wars instead of coming up with a miraculous way to peacefully end slavery.
With those kind of videos, it’s always interesting to read the comments and here’s one:
All of this has me wondering about Faegon. He's a lot like Egg (King Aegon V) from the Dunk and Egg stories if you think about it. A prince who knows what it is to live like a commoner and have a hard life and who generally seems like he'd be an advocate for the commonfolk and perhaps not too brutal as well. He seems, by all accounts, someone who might be a good King yet he is likely not the real Aegon VI but something like a Blackfyre imposter. In contrast, Dany is unquestionably a Targaryen who even has dragons yet she fits the way Varys describes Tommon to Kevan "Tommen has been taught that kingship is his right." and is quite brutal. I think George might be saying "She is technically the rightful Queen but this imposter would actually make for a better ruler than her." a sort of play on the common trope of a rightful heir rising, regaining the old Kingdom and ruling justly. She won't rule justly, I reckon, but the imposter would have and therein lies the irony. My pet theory anyway.
This comment was liked by Hill’s Alive, and I had a feeling that was proven right when I looked to see if she had made a video about Young Griff. I didn’t watch it and have no intention to (there’s also so much bullshit I can take from one person), but her theory is that Young Griff, a character introduced in the fifth book, is actually the real Aegon (son of Rhaegar and Elia). I’m certain she explains very well how he will be a good King unlike Dany. She already didn’t have much credibility in this video about the 163 crucified masters (she tried though, and sounds much more convincing and intelligent than the “mad queen killed innocents slavers” antis, I’ll give her that), but she doesn’t have any credibility left at all with Young Griff.
108 notes - Posted December 18, 2022
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I don't know if you've read philosopher Slavoj Žižek's critique of Daenerys' ending in GoT, but I recommend it, even if you don't agree with everything. He points out precisely how she is basically punished for taking actions that no one questions when they are male characters, mainly for wanting to make changes for society.
I remember reading it once, and he does make valid points.
About the misogyny in Dany’s ending:
The finale combines the rejection of a radical change with an old anti-feminist motif at work in Wagner. For Wagner, there is nothing more disgusting than a woman who intervenes in political life, driven by the desire for power. In contrast to male ambition, a woman wants power in order to promote her own narrow family interests or, even worse, her personal caprice, incapable as she is of perceiving the universal dimension of state politics.
Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
About Sansa when talking about female leads:
The one who remains (as the queen of the autonomous kingdom of the North) is Sansa, a type of women beloved by today’s capitalism: she combines feminine softness and understanding with a good dose of intrigue, and thus fully fits the new power relations. This marginalisation of women is a key moment of the general liberal-conservative lesson of the finale: revolutions have to go wrong, they bring new tyranny.
About Jon killing Daenerys:
Consequently, Jon kills out of love (saving the cursed woman from herself, as the old male-chauvinist formula says) the only social agent in the series who really fought for something new, for a new world that would put an end to old injustices
And about diversity:
And one cannot help but note that those faithful to Daenerys to the end are more diverse – her military commander is black – while the new rulers are clearly white Nordic. The radical queen who wanted more freedom for everyone irrespective of their social standing and race is eliminated, things are brought back to normal.
While also making another valid and important point: the rejection of any actual change, of any revolution, and how the finale diabolize this very idea Dany stans loved her for in the finale.
113 notes - Posted December 22, 2022
My #1 post of 2022
I think the most hilarious part about Sara Hess saying people who love Daemon are basically a bunch of women lusting after Matt Smith isn’t even that she doesn’t seem to be aware people loved the character before there was a show, but that she assumes we’re all attracted to Matt. I love Matt, but honestly the one cast member I actually find really attractive is Olivia Cooke and I don’t like Alicent.
Like, does Hess believe people watching HOTD are 4 years-old girls picking their favorite Disney princess because they want to look like them and their favorite Disney prince because he’s so sweet and handsome and will bring them to his castle?
177 notes - Posted November 10, 2022
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your modern rhaenicent fics are some of my favourite to come from the fandom! like you i don’t actually watch the show so i can’t talk to you about references or parallels, but i can say that i love your characterisations! we seem to have extrapolated pretty much the same things from the gif sets and kinda looking in at this bubble from the outside. and i think that’s very fun of us.
i hope you’re doing well and enjoying writing as much as i’m enjoying reading your writing. looking forward to the next chapters of both fics, im 👀 at the plot in both of them because oh shit things are happening and not all of them good.. but seriously, i’m so excited!
thank you so muuuuuuch
once again - emma and olivia's acting is so powerful their characters shine through the gifsets lmao. i do very much think it's very fun of us, anon. i haven't had this much fun since clexa AND i don't even need to dedicate my time to watching the show itself and following the plot? no media consumption, just vibes. love it
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alicent for the character ask?
yesss <3
how i feel about this character: newest blorbo, babygirl, love of my life, she owns my heart <3 i'm slightly obsessed lol. i think she's really interesting and both emily carey and olivia cooke portray her so well. she even made it to my top 3 asoiaf characters in general, even if we're only 8 episodes in (but as much as i love her, she'll never be sansa or jaime so i don't think she'll be higher than that lol)
all the people i ship romantically with this character: i'm a rhaenicent truther through and through so definitely rhaenyra. i also kinda dig alicole but not in a 'they should get together' way, more in a 'ohhh they're dynamic is so interesting' way.
my non-romantic otp for this character: i love her relationships with helaena and aemond. also alicole again!
my unpopular opinion about this character: even not thinking she's the devil incarnate is apparently an unpopular opinion in the general fandom so i'd say her being my favorite.
one thing i wish would happen with this character in canon: i want her to commit as many crimes as she wants <3 it really doesn't matter what she does, she's gonna get hated on and blamed for everything either way, so might as well do some messed up shit.
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