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bigfatbreak · 4 months

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If the Kwami remember the old timeline, then Wayzz, Tikki and Plagg must remember Adrien and Marinette, right? Wouldn't they lead Fu to them? Or is something preventing Fu from doing that/Fu thinks it's too risky to make a move with Hawkmoth/Gabriel watching??

well... hm, there's kind of a problem. The timeline was mostly reset, but there are lingering echoes that things aren't right. For one, the Kwami remember the last timeline - so do the Sentikids, and in fact, so do robots/AI's of any fashion. Not only that, but some mechanisms, nonorganics, exist as though the last timeline was still in place, like passwords and lingering, half-corrupted photographs in dead links and dead blogs.

...so,

uh. ehe. oops.

#fu can't get into the miracle box because the miracle box identifies Marinette as the guardian #it doesn't matter if she is or isn't: she's physically the password to get inside it #Fu IS still scouting for people to have the LB and CN miraculi #he just... can't get into it. yet.#dad villain au #master fu #wayzz #my art #imagine trying to reset a computer back to default settings #but you can still only login using the most recent user's password #that's whats going on here

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art-the-f-up · 6 months

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headcanon that marinette is constantly tired because of her guardian duties but adrien thinks she's just staying up late to work on projects so he lets her sleep whenever he can.

#i keep forgetting to post spidrien content on tumblr why is that #spidrien au #spiderman adrien #spidrien series #spidernette #adrinette #adrienette #guardian marinette

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ladyofthenoodle · 10 months

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i don’t love chat noir not being in final fight with his father, but at the same time i do love that this was the first finale where we see ladybug 100% confident in the face of impossible odds. she’s clearly terrified out of her mind but she never stops and doubts whether she can win. and it’s not that she doesn’t still need her team because she does and everyone is behind the scenes helping her, but this is the first finale we’ve seen her without any doubt in her ability to win. it’s the first time she doesn’t need a pep talk from chat noir to keep her going.

but even though she doesn’t need a pep talk and he’s not physically there with her, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t still need him. it means that he’s part of her now even when he’s not there. you can feel the boost of confidence after she transforms into bug noire and it’s more than just the added power. it’s that this time she doesn’t have the ring because he abandoned her but instead because he has faith she can and will save them all. she can only do it without him because he believes she can, and through that she can believe in herself. she’s finally able to internalize the things he’s told her every finale. girl didn’t doubt for a second that she could kick gabriel’s ass and reform her team and she didn’t doubt her chat noir would be part of that team. i love how confident and strong she was and how far she’s come.

#i do think this will lead to a big shift in their partnership #it remains to be seen what exactly #but now marinette is at peace with her role as a hero while adrien isn’t #which is a MASSIVE switch from the first 5 seasons #and is going to affect them as much as her being the guardian and keeping secrets does #miraculous ladybug #ml recreation

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via-the-local-witch · 3 months

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This is a collection I never finished it was going to be all my miraculous redesigns but I've changed my art style a fue times since then so I thought I'd just posted what I had

#guardians of paris #mlb au #miraculous redesign #miraculous ladybug #luka couffaine #viperion #alya cesaire #rena rouge #kagami sarugi #ryuko #marinette dupen chang #ladybug #chloe bourgeois #queen bee

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jascurka · 2 years

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I could swear I had an ask in my inbox about drawing the miraculous girl gang as guardians of Kandrakar but I can't find it, maybe I just dreamed that up? Sorry theres no mylene dsfjh

I'm having second thoughts now about switching mylene with Rose, so that Mylene has the element of earth because of how much she cares about the earth but I drew Rose in her place instead because I just wanted her and Juleka to hold hands and that IS a valid reason.

#maybe ill draw more??? like with the girls switched #so that rose can be elyon #i always shipped irma and cornelia hfsk #w.i.t.c.h.#guardians of kandrakar #my art #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #alya cesaire #rose lavillant #juleka couffaine #alix kubdel

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mikodrawnnarratives · 3 months

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Lady Virulent! An akuma design for Marinette that I'm finally content with! I've gone through so many different versions for her but none of them really felt like an akuma design until now

I think i've gone through so many that I'll just make a video of all the different versions I went through until I got one to my liking. And even with this design, I think I'm going to change it from a skirt to a pair of FLOOFY mushroom pants since I think that'll work a bit better

i'm gonna do another drawing of her at some point where her pose will show off more of the design and i'll incorporate da pants then

Under the cut I'll have some reasons for why I picked certain elements

In the fic where I do a different take on ml (It's not super necessary for u to know the details on that wip I got going on for this) I'm having it so that she gets akumatized ltr on and her whole theme is poisoning, causing poison infecting others etc etc

so.. MUSHROOMS and toxic gas

She don't actually got hair it is just the gas that surrounds her head all fun like. The mushroom on her head is meant to look like a beret. There are mushrooms that go up her legs and neck since I thought it would be a neat design choice from seeing dying trees with mushrooms growing up the trunk.

She don't got no normal feet since I couldn't figure out how to make the Toxic Gas shoes look like mushrooms when her feet aren't. Pointed.

Her powers (so far since this is wip) allow her to force other people into living out the worst damage they've caused other people. Whatever their worst tormenting strategy was and what damage it did to the person. The power ignores if the person has apologized or made up with the person they hurt.

She can pull off the mushrooms that grow around her waist and through them at people like bombs that'll explode into more of the toxic gas that initiates her power.

Where's the akuma?

Her earrings :)

The spots in the design are meant to, obviously, make the outfit look like mushrooms, but also to call back to her ladybug (ladybelle in my thing) form! They also serve to give a sickness look to her skin, and I think it'd be neat if the spots never stuck to one place in her design, always moving around

This was a first try for trying to animate how they move that I'll likely redo at some point. This animation isn't exact to how I think her spots would move around but, I'll throw it at you to give an idea

#akumatized marinette #akumatized!marinette #miraculous ladybug #akumanette #marinette dupain cheng #marinette dupain-cheng #MDN art tag #my art #jotg au #jotg #journals of the guardian

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ck2k18 · 7 months

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What happened in Rocketeer doesn't mean that Nino couldn't be a good miraculous guardian if given the chance. He never had an issue with secrets before, keeping his identity as Carapace a secret from his girlfriend until Ladybug revealed them. When he did tell, it was Adrien, his best friend who he trusted. Plus, he was pretty emotional and he's 14. He'd be a different kind of guardian than in early fandom fics, but he could definitely be one. He has a strong drive and sense of responsibility and good leadership qualities. In this essay, I will

#ml #nino lahiffe #bringninoguardianficsback2k23 #dont make me be the change i wanna see in the world i cant even think of an AU rn #miraculous ladybug #also even if he's kind of a bad liar so is marinette #who is currently guardian #i rest my case

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wilygryphon · 4 months

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Guardian Cheng - Miraculous Ladybug AU

Another Guardian survived the temple’s destruction due to not being present when Feast attacked. That Guardian, searching for other survivors but not finding any, trained an apprentice in the ways of the Miraculous Guardians and passed his Miracle Box down to her. That successor passed the legacy on to her descendants until it came to Sabine Cheng. When Sabine moved to Paris, married Tom Dupain, and had Marinette, she taught her daughter the same (somewhat independently evolved) ways that she had learned, and even had Marinette train with some of the Miraculouses.

When Fu gives Marinette the Ladybug Miraculous, unaware that she lives with a Guardian, Marinette tells her mom. Sabine puts the earrings on herself and gives Marinette a Miraculous from her box, which she already has experience using, and they go out together to fight the Akuma.

After defeating Stoneheart, Sabine takes authority and brings Chat Noir aside so that he can tell her his identity, and she allows Marinette to share her identity with him.

Sabine confronts Fu over giving the two most powerful Miraculouses to two teenagers and making them fight supervillains. When Fu says his piece, they agree to work together to train Marinette and Adrien and combat Hawk Moth.

Ladybug!Sabine offers motherly advice and care to the class, including Chloé and Lila. Civilian!Sabine civilly clashes with Gabriel, André, and Audrey over their “parenting”.

#miraculous ladybug #ml au #miraculous ladybug au #guardian cheng au #sabine cheng #sabine cheng with the ladybug miraculous #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #chat noir #master fu

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heartfulselkie · 1 year

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Kwami Swap Amnesia AU

Sort of follow up to this comic

Ghostbug is learning that things are a lot more different that she realised. It seems that being a teen celebrity with a packed schedule as well as being a solo superhero leaves no time for socialising or making friends...

#ghostbug getting flashbacks to when she was first made guardian #marinette meanwhile is still very close with alya #kwami swap amnesia au #ghostbug au #miraculous ladybug #selkie draws #ml leak free #miraculeakless #kaleidoscope au

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redtippedfox · 9 months

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All Characters in this AU are Aged up and are Adults

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Meet Marinette Dupain-Cheng, she’s 25 years old and has been Ladybug, the Heroine of Paris for close to 23-24 years, She is the Guardian of the Chinese Zodiac Miracle Box but all of her Miraculouses minus the Rabbit, the Peacock and the Black Cat have been stolen by Monarch. She is the Jagged Stones representative for his image and social events along with his personal designer. She is currently single but is in love with Chat Noir/Adrien even though she is trying her hardest to get over him. She’s trying her hardest to be Ladybug and get back all the Miraculouses that were stolen from her.

After facing her corrupted team she is accidentally forced into a burrow of the past and was lost to time before her Corrupted Team could catch her, she has the Butterfly and Peacock Miraculous with her but is trapped in the past forced to watch as the old days happen in front of her eyes.

She’s finding it harder to get over her love for Adrien especially when his younger self makes her heart sore with all of the things she never knew he said or did for her

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous au #my art #Fox’s art #timey wimey…uh oh au #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #ladybug miraculous #peaock miraculous #butterfly miraculous #older marinette #adult marinette #guardian marinette dupain-cheng

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familyagrestefanblog · 5 months

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I've tried so many times making whole in depth posts about this, but I never get it done properly. So I'll just keep it very brief for now:

Marinette giving out every miraculous at the end of S5, so making a team of 16 additional miraculous holders now as full time heros she says she wants to help coming into their own as their leader and guardian, is the most hilarious dark red sign I've ever seen in this show

Marinette can barely handle Chat Noir being an individual with his own pov, actual emotions she has to acknowledge in her leadership, agency that isn't just catering to her and having human rights attached to his body (at least that she got better at in s5, although it's questionable how much that was influenced by her literally having no other choice in s5 but to treat him better. I guess s6 will put that into perspective)

and in s5 both Chat and Alya were two halves of ONE PARTNER bc Chat had to accept that he isn't allowed to exist as civilian in Ladybug's leadership, all while both Alya and Chat had to basically take care of her as their main job.

What makes Marinette THINK she can handle 16 new miraculous holders who act as individuals with existing LIVES, and not just being her chosen power vessels who can't act on their own?

Just the thought of it honestly makes me laugh because nothing in Canon implies Marinette's leadership can actually handle heros doing their own thing as individuals. She will have a meltdown when any of them act on their own as heros of Paris in any greater way.

Imagine Vesperia being put on spot by being near a robbery and her using her venom on a civilian person (the robber) and then Cerise has the police go up against her and Ladybug as the team leader for abuse of power?

Imagine Pigella using her powers on people who are having a personal fight and then her getting in trouble because she revealed the private wish of someone to everyone around them.

Imagine Kim and Max training alone by Ladybug's order, and Max making portals so Kim can improve his time to get certain objects from different places, and that resulting in people being pissed at the heros breaking and entering their private homes and taking their stuff however they please as "training"

Look, I don't wanna be mean but I give her a god damn WEEK before she starts giving teammates (100% Kim for example) Chat Noir's rag doll treatment and starting to yell and get angry again bc they're doing something she personally doesn't like at an inconvenient time, or something she gets in trouble for as their leader.

Before this the temp heros has the luxury of only having been ask to do exactly what Ladybug said as her minions and power vessels, but now that they are individuals?

Good gosh, it's gonna be a disaster. Cerise is gonna have the time of her life using the team and city again her lol

#Ml spoilers #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #Miraculous team #Ml season 6 #Marinette thinking she in any way can handle 16 new full time miraculous holders is hilarious #Girl refused to allow Chat Noir a fair treatment as him being an existing civilian person #And is only able to have a partnership with him when she barely has to do anything to actually help him as leader guardian partner & friend #Even in season 5 she only managed a one sided partnership to her benefit #This is gonna be good in season 6 #Cerise is gonna have a blast lol

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ladyofthenoodle · 7 months

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(jumping off this post from @ck2k18)

fandom loves to speculate about who would be a “good guardian” and why they’d be good at the job. and often these reasons are things like being wise, mature, chill, good at keeping secrets…

but marinette is none of those things! fu picked her because she was clever and stubborn and refused to take no for an answer. now, maybe fu is not the expert either because he didn’t finish his guardian training, but su han AGREED after getting to know marinette. and he didn’t agree because she decided to fall in line with guardian traditions, he agreed because she’s making it work her way. and then he says he needs to catch up with modern life.

canon has pretty much said that be able to go with the flow, stay detached, etc., AREN’T good qualities for guardianship. that good guardians are people who will question things and fight for things and live in the real world. good guardians are leaders, not just in the sense of managing a group of individuals but also in a sense of paving the way forward.

good guardians are people like marinette. people like alya and nino. people like mylene, even, who we’ve seen question authority and fight for a cause she believes in!

and yes, a good guardian would question the need for secrecy and make their own judgement calls on who they want to trust.

#the last sentence is marinette’s weakness as a guardian but that’s a whole separate essay #also this is a non-exhaustive list of characters who would make a good guardian #they’re just the ones that most embody the traits i’m describing here #so don’t come at me for not including adrien or luka or whoever #anyways we can all agree on who’d be the worst guardian i hope: sabrina #miraculous ladybug #using my noodle

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miraculousfanworks · 1 year

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Fanfiction Prompt

Ladybug does not have a civilian identity. For as long as she can remember she's been raised by the Order to wield her Miraculous, and "Ladybug" in various languages is the only name they have ever given her. When she's sent to Paris, where the stolen Butterfly and Peacock have been tracked, she operates with as little public presence as possible and does not engage with the press. When the long-lost Black Cat shows up to fight akumatized civilians, her Guardian handler commands her to retrieve it as well, eager to get it back under the Order's safekeeping. Ladybug has never even thought to defy the Guardians... yet she feels a connection to Chat Noir that she has never experienced before, an instinctive sense of trust that turns into seamless teamwork. He has little combat experience and barely knows anything about the Miraculous, but he's enthusiastic, good-natured and beloved by the people of Paris. He seems to spend a lot of time transformed, not just when the Butterfly rears his head. His small acts of everyday heroism are endearing, and he is eager to be her friend despite the way she has tried to rebuff him. Tikki counsels she does not sense Plagg is being misused, though she admits her counterpart's definition of "misuse" is quite a bit looser than the Order's. Ladybug takes a risk and tries to convince her Guardian that Chat Noir feels like a natural fit for the Miraculous of Destruction, careful not to mention the deeper way she is drawn to him. She argues that he could be taken into the fold and trained properly. But the Guardian is quick to chastise her, and insists he must be stripped of both the ring and any memories of the Miraculous. Ladybug *knows* she is not wrong to trust the Black Cat... for the first time in her life, she has begun to question the Order's ways.

Prompt by techRomancer

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zoe-oneesama · 2 years

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Hi Zoe! I see you're done with Party Crasher. If I'm not wrong, Frozer is up next. What do you think about the episode?

This episode is a prime example of why Season 2 has nearly no rewatch value after you've endured Season 4. It's so hard to watch with hindsight.

So, the biggest funk of this episode was definitely Chat Noir - it was him when the episode came out and it still is now. Literally opening the episode with another romantic gesture when Ladybug confirms this MUST be post "Glaciator" because she very gently and sadly reminds him that he knows she's in love with someone else.

Well, he took the rejection SO WELL in "Glaciator", so why should we expect any different here?

This episode (paired with "Glaciator") is the episode that launched the "Nice Guy(tm) Chat Noir" idea. He says things in this episode that I swear were pulled right from reddit. He decides they should go solo because she turned down his rose... "We don't always have to do everything together, after all. It's not like we're a couple." Seriously dude? All this time together, our partnership, our relationship, our friendship, it all means nothing because I don't want to be your girlfriend? Because I was honest about having feelings for someone else? THAT'S the kind of person you are? What a great role model.

But then he's over it, like, immediately. I'm so confused as to why this was even here. To make Chat Noir look like a dick? Way to sell your main love interest, show~

So Sadrien sadly takes his sad rose to fencing practice and gets his sad ass handed to him by Kagami, who's like "wtf kicking your ass is boring if you just let me" and he asks her "do you ever feel like you're stuck, replaying the same story over and over again and hoping for it change but nothing ever does?"

And Kagami's response is her infamous "the biggest mistake a fencer can make isn't choosing the wrong technique. It's choosing the wrong target. Change targets" advice.

First of all, her metaphor sucks. Fencing is a 1 vs 1 sport, you can't "change targets". You can switch from aiming for the chest to aiming for the leg, but it's still the same opponent, weirdo.

Second of all, nothing about what Adrien just asked you suggested he was talking about a person or a romantic suitor whatsoever. Your only hint was that he was holding his Reject Rose, but even so, why wouldn't your first thought be that he's talking about his father???

Seriously, this could've been a good lead in for the Adri////gami set up if Kagami had assumed he was talking about Gabriel and responded with empathy. "Yes, sometimes I feel like that with my own mother, but I realized I don't like feeling like I'm waiting for change to happen. I make my own change happen. If you want your story to be different, maybe it has to come from you."

And Adrien, still thinking romantically, is struck. 'Wow' he thinks, 'she understands me in a way that honestly? Not a lot of people would.' And he declares that she's right, he's going to change his story starting now, and hands her the rose, starting their romance story.

But no, sure, a bad fencing metaphor about how he should forget other hoes and look at her, that works too, who needs BUILD UP amiright? I was a fool to think that maybe Kagami would need a REASON to be into the Writer's Pet Adrien when he's OBVIOUSLY already PERFECT.

Not that any of this matters since Adrien all but tells Kagami to her face "I had a great time but I'm sticking to my original pick." and she says she'll wait for him, girl, have some self respect.

But that's getting ahead of ourselves. After the two part ways, we have a scene with him and Plagg about Adrien maybe switching targets, and uh..

Look, I noticed a real problem with the dialogue in this episode - there's a lack of connectivity throughout the episode with the things people say. I know I make jokes about the show having five writers per episode who don't communicate with each other, but here it reeeeeally feels like maybe that's not a joke.

Like here: Plagg suggests that Adrien is going to start pursuing Kagami and Adrien rejects this idea because he's in love with Ladybug ("No, no way. Ladybug's the only one I love), and it probably wouldn't work with Kagami anyway because it's his technique that's wrong and he needs advice on what to do.

This seems to suggest that Adrien isn't going to go after Kagami, and if he did, it would be to test out a technique on her. Like going out with Kagami would be practice. Now that's obviously not verbatim what he said and could justifiably be seen as reaching, but do you see my confusion? Not once does he say anything about being into Kagami or wanting to go after her (though admit-ably he did give her the Reject Rebound Rose).

But then two scenes later when he's asking Marinette for help, he's describing Kagami as if he's in love with her, as if he's really interested in her. Where did THAT come from between scenes?! Writers! COMMUNICATE!

Also he says in the French version that they have classes together, and in English that they study together, and I would just like to see WHEN?!

There's another example when Marinette goes off to the bathroom after Kagami gives more..."advice". Tikki asks why she's sad, and instead of pointing out the very obvious "Oh, I don't know Tikki, my crush asked me for advice on how to get close to another girl, I'm third wheeling his date and am forced to watch them skate around holding hands, she practically claimed him when Phillipe was trying to recruit Adrien for his ice rink by reminding him AND me that Adrien is with HER, aaaaand I fell on my butt in front of him, her, and the guy who I also have caught feelings for but am feeling bad about potentially leading him on because of my lingering feelings for Adrien. And then my crush's date basically told me it's my fault that all these things are happening to me because I 'hesitate'. That might have something to do with why I'm sad."

But instead her answer is she likes Luka but doesn't know if what's between them is that they're just friends, like with Adrien????

Even if that WERE a part of it, that's not the thing that started this or even the thing that set her off. So why is that the thing they made her stuck on??? That's like the fourth thing on the list of Things That's Made Her Upset. Her answer sounds like it comes from a pre-edited script or something.

So yeah, the dialogue is...weird. But that's almost normal for Miraculous Ladybug at this point.

So anyway, Adrien vows to get advice from someone who is Not Plagg and realizes very quickly that every adult in his life is utterly worthless so he scouts out his friends. Except of the 4 couples he zones in on (Marc and Nathaniel, Ivan and Mylene, Alya and Nino, Juleka and Rose) 3/4 of them are together because of Ladybug and an akuma.

"Hey bro, I need some advice, how'd you and Alya get together?"

"Oh, Ladybug locked us in a panther cage during an akuma attack after you tried to set me up with her best friend."

Maybe it's not as crazy that he went to Marinette as I initially thought.

(That said this gave me flashbacks because for some reason all my friends came to me for relationship advice despite being chronically single for most of high school, so, I felt that pain Marinette.)

And just...wow, writers, I know Marinette is your punching bag but this was just cruel. Having her crush, the guy YOU'RE SELLING as her true love go off about how pretty and special and amazing this other girl is right to her face? Is this supposed to be an equivalent heartbreak to what happened in the first scene? Because this doesn't feel equal, this just feels malicious on the writer's end. Ladybug didn't grind into Chat Noir's face how AWESOME the mystery boy is and at least Chat Noir got to throw a tantrum about it, where's Marinette's tantrum?!

I'll say the one point I give to the Girl Squad is them telling Marinette she's crazy for agreeing to third wheel this date and that she should definitely cancel on Adrien. If he can't handle being alone with the girl he wants to date, that sounds like a them problem, there's being selfless and then there's being masochistic, girl.

But then they lose that point for yelling over her when she tells them she's going to try being Just a Friend for Adrien.

The Girl Squad scene is also frustrating in this way that Miraculous is continuously frustrating in that the characters just don't quite say the thing that makes sense (like in "Maledictator" with Marinette calling Chloe "useless" instead of things that would actually stick like "bully"). Marinette says she's giving up on Adrien because she stutters around him and dating would be impossible if she can't even talk to him, and that she's calmer when she's trying to be his friend instead of dating him.

But what she should have said was "he just asked me advice on how to ask out someone else, he's clearly not into me!"

She has a good point with the stuttering thing, but that puts all the weight on HER for the relationship not taking off. It's HER that can't get it together, it's HER that can't get her words out, it's HER that's stopping them from being together. Meanwhile Adrien's over here asking out other girls, calling her "just a friend", not showing up to meet ups that she'll be at... Hell, he tried to set HER up with SOMEONE ELSE ("Animan"). He doesn't want to date her! Message Recieved!

So she brings in Luka, (which honestly, smart move, because how much would Kagami have REALLY hated Marinette if she showed up by herself on THEIR date) and we get The Metaphors.

Marinette is clumsy, this is a known fact, yet the only times she's clumsy at the ice rink is because she's focused on Adrien - when she focuses on Luka, she's smooth, easily let's him guide her, and is pulling off professional moves. ALMOST like he's a good, calming influence compared to the chaotic energy that Adrien brings.

The "problem" (if you're writing for this show and want to encourage Adrien and Marinette being together) is that the episode never challenges why this should be a bad thing. They want her to be with Adrien, soooo why are they basically visually proving why Luka is the better option? Why does this whole episode feel like it's actively trying to turn Marinette away from Adrien?

I mean obviously they're starting the Love Rival drama, but I mean long term. With the Skating Metaphor and Marinette bringing up how her own inability to think clearly around Adrien is a problem, and then never COUNTERING those problems, why are we supposed to root for them again?

Oh because Luka gave his consent in the end, not because of any merit that Adrien brings to the table, got it.

Then there's the obvious Two Guys Reaching Out to Help Marinette Up and She Hesitates Because Her Heart is in Conflict Metaphor. I only give this one props because at least none of the characters explained that one, they just let that one speak for itself, even if it was obvious.

Though that one accidentally extended when the reason Marinette doesn't choose is because Phillipe forces his way into the interaction to beg Adrien to join his rink - kinda like random, out of pocket shit that she has no control over is CONSTANTLY MESSING UP HER ATTEMPTS TO MAKE MOVES.

Gosh Kagami, maybe Marinette would've made a choice if she'd gotten five seconds between them without INTERRUPTIONS! Maybe she even would've grabbed BOTH of their hands, then what would you have done?

Sighhhh, I'm sorry Kagami, I don't mean to rip on you. It's just that you were so freaking RUDE in this episode to anyone who wasn't Adrien (and also a little bit to Adrien tbh). You can turn Phillipe's offer down without telling him his favorite sport is basically trash. You can help Marinette up without rubbing it in that you got the guy first. You can let Adrien turn Phillipe down himself without peeing on him, as if you're jealous of a this guy just for asking Adrien to join a sport ("he already fences with ME!"). Let the boy speak for himself - maybe he actually was interested, did you check in on what he wants?

Yes, Adrien shouldn't just go along with people to make them happy, but he's not going to learn to stand up for himself if you just speak for him.

And Luka...well you're just here for a good time, aren't you? So patient, so kind, so the only person in the room who can read the writing on the wall. At least someone in this group isn't lying to themselves.

I'm losing steam, so let's rapid fire:

I knew I'd hate Phillipe as soon as I saw him and I was right. He's annoying and I bet he's the reason no one wants to come to his stupid ice rink because he's lurking there interrupting other people's dates. I was on Andre's side when he ragged on him for trying to force people to join (though dude you gave him ten minutes, what did you think would happen?)

Luka's so magical he can play electric guitar without an amp or any sound amplifying device, impressive. Or the people on this show have never touched an instrument.

Also Luka, your advice to just be natural and go with the flow is great and also WASTED on Adrien, his "natural" is a DISASTER.

Adrien panic-lying that he brought Marinette to teach him how to skate was pointless. Maybe Kagami would've thought it was endearing you were too nervous to go on a date with her alone if you were just honest about it, but now it's just Another Thing Kagami has to turn into a competition because she sees Marinette as a RiVaL (which honestly amazing jumping to conclusions because wut, where'd you get that idea?)

Also, does Kagami shoot a bow? She says she only participates in "noble" sports, like bow or fencing, but I can't tell if she's listing sports she considers noble, or listing sports she participates in. Also what does a "noble" sport even mean?

S-stalac-Tikki...and Plagg-lagla. I know it's Plagg-Glacier in English, but it's Plagg-lagla in French and it sounds like Adrien's VA is gargling or stuttering when he tries to say it.

What happened to Luka and Kagami, you're not even going to show them frozen?!

Frozer is so ugly omigoooood not looking forward to drawing him.

So yeah, anyway, Frozer is hard to watch, especially with hindsight, the bad parts with Chat Noir are really bad but don't stick around long, so there's that, and while it doesn't feel like the characters are being too bad during this whole "dating" fiasco, it suuuuure feels like the writers were~

#ml salt #writing salt #looots of writing salt #frozer salt #my opinion #adrien salt #kagami salt #honestly it really is mostly the writing that's so bad #I did consider bringing in Ice Viperion and Ice Ryuko but logistically that doesn't work in SL since Marinette's not guardian #I might draw them for fun anyway but don't expect them in the episode #an essay by zoe

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