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katierosefun · 11 months

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the line about logan roy not being able to fit a whole woman in his head being said from his own daughter is so. something about daughters and their fathers something about daughters who are their father’s child something about daughters who are daddy’s little favorite daddy’s little girl but the second they start having opinions and the second they start talking back, the father holds their daughter out with open hostility and suspicion, something about how only years later will the father occasionally go, do you remember? do you remember when we used to have good days, when you used to come to me with all your wonders and your worries, do you remember when we were stuck together like glue, what happened to that and the daughter just has to give her father a rueful smile as though she hasn’t been wondering why her father built up that wall in the first place as though she hadn’t been wondering since when did her father only ever said good morning to her brothers as though she hadn’t been wondering since when did her father only ever ask her brothers to accompany him to work and something about shiv roy saying my father couldn’t fit a whole woman in his head and something about shiv roy still crying the most when she learned that her father was dead something about how shiv roy called her father the world and yet something about how shiv roy still asks her father’s closest male confidants if he was really that bad, was my father still an okay guy when they all know the truth, they all know he wasn’t a good person, but shiv roy still remembers playing outside her father’s office just to get him to come out and shiv roy still remembers her father telling her to remember, slant of light and ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh fathers and their daughters daughters and their fathers or whatever

#caroline watches tv #succession #can't believe this show is ending next week. maybe i'll be free #truly i think whatever tf is going on between shiv and logan's relationship #is the only other father-child relationship in tv that has made me want to eat cement in the same way #that joo won and han ki hwan's relationship in beyond evil makes me want to eat cement #except at least with shiv and logan. you SAW the tenderness between them sometimes #logan has a nickname for shiv. logan is the one to tell shiv to come into the company #logan is the one to tell shiv 'my daughter. my only daughter' in a way that makes me cry #logan is the one to tell shiv she is marrying a man beneath her in one breath but then he holds her hand #and says 'he's a good man.'#logan is the one to show up at shiv's wedding but he doesn't care to show up to connor's #something about mothers who tell their daughters 'you may hate your dad but you are going to cry the hardest when he dies'#something about shiv's mother being so annoyed with shiv at all hours #something about mothers who hate their daughters because they know that their daughters are 'stealing' their husbands away #which is such. a sickening sickening concept but the fact that this is genuinely how some women feel #anyways. ughughghghghh whatever. whatever.#something about how shiv is the one who i think has been hurt the most from her father #(i still haven't forgotten about that one scene in season one. that still haunts me jfc)#but at the same time. she's the one who's sobbing on the floor #and she's the one who literally schedules her grief #she's the one who just keeps going 'my dad is DEAD he is DEAD'#just like. every time i see shiv roy contemplating her father's death i hear kill bill alarm sirens in my head #just. FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFFFFFFFFF!!!

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oreganosbaby · 8 months

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While the handling of gender is one of the most interesting things about Succession, I think it can be a bit difficult to talk about it because the characters rarely use words like "masculine" or "feminine." Instead, the characters will talk about weakness and strength, dominance and submission, or seriousness and childishness, often using violent or sexual language that only indirectly references gender. It makes us have to piece together the characters' respective understandings of these concepts. One thing that's extremely notable here is how Logan never outright compares his sons to women. Instead, Logan will use homophobic remarks. This highlights the "deviency" of being "weak" as a man, that this is "unnatural."

I think the most clear demonstration of this is when Logan calls Roman a "faggot" for doing that interview. It was implied that Shiv was supposed to do it which recalls the photoshoot in "Austerlitz" as well. Logan then gets upset at Shiv for not doing it, saying that she's his "only daughter." While Logan would undoubtedly hate it if Shiv were sincerely all "I wuv my daddi!" the way Roman is, this interview was necessary and he would rather his daughter perform that role publicly than his son. This, of course, means that being all "I wuv my daddi!" is understood as feminine so, being a "faggot" is also about femininity. Is this to say that to Logan, being a "faggot" isn't about actual homosexuality at all? Of course not because even when Logan doesn't think this literally about his sons, even when it's a mere taunt or "joke," the "faggot" is someone who wants to "get fucked" rather than "fuck," both literally and metaphorically (business is my fucking). So to Logan, "getting fucked" is feminine and "fucking" is masculine just as it is in cishet PiV sex which of course, ties into his preoccupation with reproduction. Connor, Roman and Kendall's respective issues with their (lack of) virility continue along that line.

That Logan would hate for Shiv to sincerely and openly proclaim her love for him as Roman has (outside that interview), tells us that he generally hates femininity and seems to see femininity as inherently infantile. We never see him humiliate or belittle Shiv for expressing affection in that manner (he does that to her for other reasons) but, we see him praise Shiv for expressing it in a more indirect and perhaps to them, masculine way in "Dundee." She notably never says "I love you" and yet Logan understands from her message that she does. He tells Shiv that she "gets it" and they have this bittersweet moment of bonding. This whole thing about expressing affection is only one example of what we can learn about Logan (and the others' respective) view(s) about masculinity and femininity as well as gender itself. I think that doing this is important to understanding the text and it shouldn't be assumed that they agree with or abide by whatever someone individually assumes the socially normative views about gender are.

#dalia writes #succ sesh #succession meta

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eastgaysian · 1 year

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the way tom is both shiv to logan and logan to shiv right now... call your wife tom call your fucking wife and tell them to get their own fucking idea. you wanna be my dad's little bitch boy why don't you deliver him a message bitch boy tell him to fuck off and stay out of my life.

shiv married a man who she thought of as the opposite of her father because she wanted to be better than her parents and she ended up getting 'mommed.' she wanted to become the inverse of her father and she turned her husband into her father instead. and because her husband is her father she can't manage to sever herself from either of them, because they won't let her and because she doesn't know what she'd do or who she'd be without them. she still pulls up tom's contact and thinks about calling him. she's the one who talks about getting a divorce but she's also the one still consistently wearing her ring out and about.

logan's always been attached to shiv in a particular way as his only daughter, his favorite, his baby girl. he loves her the most and that means he thinks the least of her. he lashes out at shiv in particular for the pierce deal because of all people his daughter can't be undercutting him. how can she dare when her own husband, the one who was too weak to betray her up until he did, chose logan over his own wife? but while logan respects tom for that, at the same time, tom is nothing to him apart from the lingering connection to/stand-in for shiv - and tom's ability to be that connection/stand-in is jeopardized by the fact that he's thrown his lot in with logan over shiv.

it's fucking unbelievable tom's still trying to play both sides under these condition, and he also has no option but to try to play both sides under these conditions. if either of those supports goes down so does the whole house of cards. shiv got him in at atn and hated him for being in at atn and when/if the deal goes through logan will only be atn. yeah man you were right when you were like 'our family' but i don't think you knew exactly what you were signing up for

#succession spoilers #i'm gonna throw up #i got a new romtom fic idea but i might join brenna in the writing a serious togan fic party. i've got a ghost of a concept rattling around #chalkboard #tomshiv

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bamboobrat · 1 year

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succession s4 e4 recap: ken brings a strap-on to a gunfight

I'M PSYCHIC! I'M PSYCHIC!

^^ from my recap of season 4, episode 1

turns out succession really is channeling their inner CW teen show. translation:

SHIV IS PREGNANT!

what gave it away? her face. oh, and she ordered a club soda with a closed top at the dive bar in episode two. don't think i didn't notice.

anyway, i know she's all poly representation and all, but let's be honest with ourselves: it's toms baby. she's planning her 20 week ultrasound, so i reckon.... italy?

kendall arrives at logan's makeshift wake/board meeting and overhears hugo in the lobby.

now, if you overheard someone saying "you fucked me in the ass with a strap-on" on the phone, would you guess that someone was talking to their daughter?

only on succession.

i'm not going to use space showing you hugos face, so let me summarize: his daughter sold stocks right before the news of logan's death was made public. he tells kendall. kendall has leverage.

now, enough hugo.

MARCIA IS BACK!!!

the girlies love marcia. lying about having intimate conversations with logan every night? we love that.

death truly does become her.

also, did anyone else pick up on the fact that cyd simply said "sorry babe" to kendall as he walked by?

supportive queen!

greg is also trying to be supportive and we collectively join in on the kids giving him serious side eye (or ignoring him altogether).

much like the rest of the roy family, he is incapable of any type of normal hug.

the kids discuss marcia and kerry, and roman notes that he thinks kerry is "in marcias trunk. inside an anaconda. inside a sarcophagus." for a pre-grieved boy who doesn't want to make phone sex jokes about his late dad, he's still got it.

the suits are also there, gathering in the kitchen to look at the china.

just two gal-pals backing each other in business and sitting on each other's faces

tom receives a proper whooping from karl and eats a seafood taco.

i know i should aim higher in my important trade of recaps and give you more detail, but i can't. i shan't. it is what it is.

oh, but important: karl is in on a greek island with his brother-in-law.

and "your wife doesn't even like you" is a wonderful insult.

shiv gives us an accurate representation of what it is like to talk to a swede:

for context, i'm norwegian. the banter is scandi culture.

saying "bad one" when your dad dies? also scandi culture.

willa is truly winning in this episode. she gets logan's apartment, a dig at marcia AND a moneymoon touring the midwest. cheese curds all the way.

and they save a bunch on realtor fees, of course.

the gang finds a piece of paper.

we are getting so much gerri/frank/karl content this season, i am chuffed! yes, sure, the sibling dynamic is interesting, but the gerkrank (?) vibes are strong!

they all make very funny jokes about throwing the piece of paper in the toilet. haha comedy gold.

kendall manages to make his brother and sister laugh for once in his life. all it took was for him to make a joke about their dad not being a pedo.

i'm going to make obit decoding my new thing.

a summary of logan:

threw phones at staff

racist

racist, again

relaxed about sexual assault

never payed a penny of tax

not a pedo

wouldn't even hug his grandkids

kendall's name is on the piece of paper. i reckon it's from around early season 1 times, maybe even before then.

it's not certain if the name has been underlined or crossed out. (but really, does logan strike you as the type of man who would underline anything?)

greg is also mentioned with a bunch of ????? and the big bozo deigns to suggest he might be logan's #2.

frank reacts appropriately:

they keep putting roman and gerri in the same frame.

AS IF i wouldn't notice. i see you, lorene. doing the lords work.

they rag on greg some more. it's a doodle, fuckface.

ken shares a moment with his #1 dad.

frank: he was an old bastard and he loved you me: sobbing

ken realizing he wants back in? that's self-destruction, bby!

shiv continues to hit rock bottom....

with a lil pregnancy hint and some narcisissm, framing it as if she's the only one who lost something she cared about.

but is she talking about logan? or tom? or none? or both?

i need a shiv redemption arc soon. it's beginning to feel so sexist, and not in a critique kind of way.

spooky embryo mencken is on his way to join the rest of the right wing crazies in logans eulogy.

if you are in need of motivation, work every day in your life to ensure a right wing guy will never feel inclined to do a speech at your funeral.

or, live a life that will make greg never want to talk to you. ever.

we all know tom wishes he'd taken that route.

sandy is smiling at logan being dead. sandy is us<3

why is this sex party so sad?

marcia sends kerry in a taxi to a subway so she can go home to her little apartment.

last time we see her, or does she have an unborn baby up her sleeve?

<3 roman showing kerry kindness and then immediately shitting on tom's redemption tour <3

wambsgans deserves to grovel.

stewy is a softie when it comes to ken.

his pubes got a little singed last time, but they are in love.

willa is enjoying her new apartment, as she should.

her mom is me at a buffet.

shiv gets shivved as her brothers decide to take on the role of CEO without her.

redemption arc! redemption arc! redemption arc!

obligatory screengrab that is just in here because gerri looks cute:

i couldn't even bother coming up with an excuse for this one.

chant with me: STE-WY! STE-WY! STE-WY!

power move from a power bottom. jk he is obvi a top.

and with stewy in the room, the power dynamic shifts to favor the siblings.

gerri makes a very slight move, but backs up immediately.

(don't think i don't notice that roman is still in this frame, guys. it's dark, but i notice.)

ken and his homey romey are the new interim CEOs. we all know what a thankful job that is...

shiv trips and falls and i want to kms.

do i need to chant again?

please, for the love of god, give shiv a win. the baby is not a win.

hugo and karolina suggest to the newly appointed CEOs that they throw their dead dad under the bus. roman reacts the way an emotionally mature person would:

utter distain.

ken, however, does not.

this photo will be in his phone and in his subconscience forever. the question of whether his dad loved him or not anthropomorphized.

so he tells hugo to go ahead with the "shit on logan roy" communcation strategy.

it's what his father would do.

he is pleased. and we, my girlies, are one step closer to kendall having a full godfather-like arc.

pretty sure i predicted that too, back in the day.

or is episode 4 too early to peak for our dear ken? time will tell.

next week: the gang travels to norway and i go absolutely bonkers.

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pynkhues · 7 months

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Hi! Just wanted to pop in and mention how much I enjoyed your meta on Kendall and Logan. The line “To give it to Kendall is to let him wear that trauma - a trauma he doesn't understand - like a cloak and tell him it’s a gift.” will live in my head rent free from now.

To piggyback off of the idea you mention towards the end of your post on Kendall’s perceived vulnerability – I think you’re definitely onto something there.

Warning – the rest of this kind of long so feel free not to post publicly but – to my read, so much of Logan is grounded in the trauma of losing his family and I think there’s an echo of that in how he understands and reacts to Kendall. Logan is fearful of losing anyone on anything other than his own terms, and Kendall, by his very nature, evokes some of that fear. Kendall is generally understood within the family to be soft and emotional and by extension vulnerable either to substances, his own mind, or being led astray by ‘dangerous’ figures like Stewy (at least in Logan’s way of thinking, rightly or wrongly).

I think this tends to pluck at Logan’s more protective instincts. But when Logan exercises that protectiveness, it functionally allows his own ‘vulnerability’ to show through. Logan is generally so reluctant to acknowledge the past, his own traumas, and his perceived weaknesses, that revealing those sides of himself, even indirectly, creates a type of unique connection. Logan might see Kendall’s soft bits, but Kendall gets to see Logan’s too. I think that may be part of what drives the relationship we see between them throughout the show and was the foundation for a certain kind of intimacy and emotional reliance in both directions that deepened and grew over time.

Logan trusts Kendall intimately and lets him in in a way that he can’t with his other children because it would require letting them into a softness or ‘weakness’ he may resent or refuse to acknowledge within himself. He doesn’t want anyone to see those parts of him. But Kendall’s own softness inherently brings that out in him and, although not all the time, it does allow a kind of intimacy to live solely between the two of them. I think it’s this very intimacy that allows Logan to trust Kendall with his pills/health and, ironically, makes him a good pick (in Logan’s mind) for sacrificial lamb at the end of S2.

I don’t think the above is the only driver at play (or even that the characters are aware of any of this), but I think it may be a meaningful one. And while Kendal isn’t Logan’s sole emotional crutch, I think he tends to take the full weight of Logan’s love – which I guess is in and of itself a form of violence because that’s all Logan knows how to give.

[As an aside, I’m endlessly fascinated by Logan’s refusal to lean on Shiv in this particular capacity, which arguably might be expected as she’s his only daughter and yet, I can totally see Logan being completely against the idea of his little girl seeing him with any weakness whatsoever. Just endlessly interesting to chew on Logan’s relationships.]

Hey! Thank you so much for your kind words, and I'm so glad you've enjoyed some of my meta! It's such a fun show to think and write about, so it's always very lovely to know that people like to read my thoughts too.

I totally agree with everything you've written here. That shared space for vulnerability and intimacy due to the very specific nature of Kendall and Logan's relationship feels really right, and the way that places a unique sort of love and violence at the heart of their dynamic is it's own sort of devastating.

It's interesting too, because I think in some ways that vulnerability also comes out of their respective relationships with the truth.

I said it in a post quite a while ago, but I find there's this really compelling juxtaposition between Kendall and Roman where Kendall can be vulnerable without being honest, while Roman can be honest without being vulnerable. It's a contrast that I think is particularly unique, and it's interesting to look at that against Logan, because Logan's sort of both and neither.

Which makes sense given Logan's relationship with the truth often feels pretty unique too. Logan as a character never seems entirely honest, but he's not really a dishonest character either. His truths seem uniquely tied to time, and a moment of warm and genuine honesty like him telling Shiv that it's her at the summer palace can become a bitter lie in the future.

For Logan, I think truth and honesty has to be tied to the present, because as he says in the show, there's just too much history. The past can be complicated, it can be twisted, it can be marked by your mistakes as much as your successes, sure, but for a character like Logan, the past is also punctuated by unmanaged trauma. As a result, the past for Logan is something that can't be touched, and I think that in s2 in particular is something Logan tries to teach Kendall, sometimes cruelly and sometimes with the only type of kindness Logan knows how to offer.

After all, we know that for Kendall, particularly in s2 and s3, the past is something he can't stop touching. He presses his finger to the bruise of what happened with Doddy repeatedly, and the secret of it does create this further space of intimacy. Kendall won't know until after his father dies that Logan felt responsible for his sister's death, but Logan will die knowing Kendall feels responsible for Doddy and simultaneously tries to alleviate him of the guilt of that while also using it to keep him close.

In some ways, it's a sort of shared trauma that Logan never lets Kendall know is shared at all, but then doesn't that just sum up Logan's relationships in general?

(And yes re: Logan and Shiv! I think the added factor of losing Rose / blaming himself for Rose too is absolutely key in seeming invincible and infalliable to Shiv in particular, which is another really interesting thing to consider).

#i'm interested in particular about how logan shares his trauma #because i think it's pretty heavily implied that he shared some stuff with marcia #which he definitely didn't seem to do with kerry #and i go back and forth on caroline #(forever desperately fascinated by their relationship haha)#but yes!#thanks for sharing it's super interesting!#and sorry about the late reply! it's been a hectic week #kendall + logan #kendall roy #logan roy #hbo succession #succession meta #welcome to my ama

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janfraiser · 9 months

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'I Miss Who I Used To Be' is so beautiful for its insights into the siblings relationship and, perhaps more special to me, Shiv's love for Genevieve. Reading that made it clear why she would go on to be a mama of three precious little girls. Do you have any specific headcanons for Gen, Lainey, and Marla?

thank you so much anon you're gonna make me cry 🥺

sorry it's been a moment since you sent this, I've been traveling and busy with other irl things. but yes, I do in fact have many many headcanons for the tiny Roys that live in my head! under a cut because these got longggg

Gen and Lainey are both nicknames. Gen's full name is Genevieve Siobhan Roy and Lainey's is Elaine Cambridge Roy. Along those lines, Marla's middle name is Ettalie 💗

There's just about a three year gap between both Gen and Lainey and Lainey and Marla, which speaks to the amount of time it takes for Shiv to agree to Tom's nagging just to shut him up oop

Marla's birthday is on Valentine's Day. somehow Tom cannot for the life of him remember both the holiday and his daughter's birthday. From the time she turns one onward he always forgets one or the other so Shiv is Always pissed off

this definitely does not impact Marla's young psyche At All /s

(usually as soon as she opens presents she and Gen and Lainey run off to play with them in the playroom or another place they know their parents are unlikely to follow. Marla is only seven or eight when she ends up too overwhelmed and crying on Karolina's lap while Karolina explains that her mother is only upset because she loves her)

despite the age gaps, the three girls are usually pretty close. Shiv, determined not to be Logan, always welcomes the girls wherever she is. this has the opposite effect and usually ends up with the three of them getting into mischief around Waystar

one time Gen tells a man who owns a company Waystar/GoJo is trying to buy exactly what she thinks of him when left unsupervised at a dinner party

(she's not even ten. she's absolutely parroting what Shiv says behind closed doors)

Gen is a mini-Shiv, right down to the hair

Lainey is quieter and more content to follow her sisters around because she always needs to be included in everything. she's a nosy little thing 💗 the first of the girls to find out exactly Why Karolina is always around thanks to her overdeveloped sense of curiosity

Marla is the Baby bc when she's born Shiv knows she's done so she def coddles her. Marla is absolutely spoiled AF but like. not a brat because she's so spoiled that she literally always gets what she wants so she doesn't even have the space to react badly to 'no'

i have so many headcanons about these three from birth all the way through adulthood so like. send more asks if you wanna hear something specific! you might even make me write a fic 👀

#succession #shiv roy #The Shivlings #oc: genevieve roy #oc: lainey roy #oc: marla roy #shivlina #(i had to sneak some in there)#tomshiv #mom!shiv is so beloved it me...#trying her hardest to break the cycle!!

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ahaura · 11 months

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my thoughts on sh*v, which is to say how some sh*v fans talk about her and regard her online

to preface: 1) i am not as attuned to the characterizations and machinations of succ.ession therefore i have gotten things wrong before about characters n i am not going to claim i am spot-on or 100% on my analysis of sh*v as a character but 2) i have some thoughts and opinions on how certain (read: probably not you reading this!) sh*v fans regard her and her place within the show

TW for mentions of: sexual assault & harassment, child abuse, etc.

i am 100% aware of the fact that within the confines of her family, within her father's world, gender makes a world of difference and that because she is a woman she is neither treated nor thought of in the same way as her brothers or father or her husband will ever be. that she experiences misogyny is obviously wrong and inexcusable, it has shaped her and shaped her experiences with both her loved ones and acquaintances. i acknowledge all of that.

my point of uh "contention" i guess is when people solely focus on the single axis of marginalization on which she experiences discrimination. it's when the ironic #girlboss feminism comments turn into, almost, painting shiv as THE victim of the roy family. like she has suffered the MOST. like every interaction she has or slight she experiences must ONLY be examined EXCLUSIVELY through the lens of gender, when, as huge as a role her gender plays, there are two things that eclipse that: that she is a white woman - and - she is a member of one of the most powerful and influential families on the entire planet.

i love snook as much as the next person and enjoy shiv as a character but the way in which certain fans engage with her and assess her just rubs me the wrong way. you can definitely say she is a victim of misogyny. you can definitely say that she was harmed and shaped by her father in the same way her brothers were, but also differently because of her gender. but she is also a roy, through and through. there are COUNTLESS posts about logan's abuse (implied, implicit, and speculated) and how it + their upbringing has shaped roman and kendall. they, too, are a product of their environment. but they also made choices. they have the capacity to make choices. the drive/motivation behind said choices can be debated and dissected to the end of time (kendall all but abandoning his daughter and choosing the n*zi candidate because it suits his wants, roman's transformation from a shitty guy who sexually harasses one of his employees into a neo-n*zi (whether he actually believes what menken believes is irrelevant; intention does not negate outcome)) but the fact is they still made choices.

shiv may have tried to make different choices and maybe she does have different, more respectable principles than her brothers but it only goes so far. skin deep. i can't remember which season it was but when a (iirc) a SA victim was going to come forward, sh*v was conflicted about it! you could tell that she didn't want to! but it doesn't matter, because she went to that victim - someone who was also a woman, btw - and silenced her on HER FATHER'S BEHALF. you may want to say "what about the game logan made his kids play" or "she felt she had no choice if she wanted to win" or "someone else would have done it if not shiv" and im telling you that ultimately none of that MATTERS when, in REAL TIME, shiv CHOSE to SILENCE A VICTIM TO PROTECT HER FATHER. TO PROTECT THE COMPANY. TO PROTECT CAPITAL. and while, yes, her working against her brothers would have been BETTER for everyone, she wasn't doing it out of the goodness of her heart. she stuttered when talking about convictions the only time she brought it up. she was in it for herself, for her own gain, and you can argue that's just how it is in their world, that she was programmed to think of it that way, etc etc, it doesnt matter, i do not care.

every single utterance of convictions, principles, and morals ring hollow for me especially after watching that unfold. shiv CHOSE TO DO THAT. i think we can all agree that silencing a victim of sexual assault is NOT FEMINIST, YES?

as a character, shiv is very interesting. there's a lot of nuance and analysis to be had and i enjoy her as much as anyone else. but i regard her in the same way as i regard kendall (like shiv, trapped in his father's playground, an addict who was broken down by his father, but ultimately a man who will never be held accountable for killing someone and still decided the fate of the world), and roman (like shiv, trapped in his father's playground, abused by his father physically and perhaps otherwise which shaped him into the person he is, who CHOSE to sexually harass gerri and has WILLFULLY supported the n*zi candidate), and connor (excluded from his father's playground, or at least put in a different corner, a man whose mother was institutionalized, is the firstborn of logan roy but never treated as such or remembered, never counted among the real roy siblings, but is still absolutely a scumbag whose power and money most DEFINITELY govern his and willa's 'marriage'). they are human, with their own traits and pitfalls and wretchedness, but they are also members of one of the most powerful families in the world, which means that they can go through all of that, and it all can be bad and horrible, but their decisions do not just affect them and their inner dynamics, the fate of entire countries, the whole planet. on a whim, for capital, or personal gain, whatever. the roy children fall on 2 scales: the human scale, onto which we can identify with them or identify their humanness (good or bad), and the grand scale, which is to say that the troubles of the children of billionaires are WHOLLY eclipsed by how their decisions affect the entire world.

and i'm not saying you can't like or enjoy these characters! this is television, yes, but 1) remember their place in the world at large and 2) seeing as how these characters and the show itself is based off of a very real family who has very real control over media and has caused very real harm in real life, i would just... idk, caution you not to woobify your faves too far.

#hvaña #I COULD BE WRONG I COULD BE EXTREMELY WRONG this is just my opinion!!!!!! thanks.

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thinkatoryprocess · 1 year

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All right, so here are all of the fic prompts that I could scrape up/remember. If I'm missing anything, let me know. It'll be nice to have a reference post. See below!

Romewilla - Roman and Willa meet at a party, hit it off, and decide to work together as a creative team. Eventually the chemistry is too much to resist. Dead Kendall AU - In which Kendall actually dies in the pool, and everyone tries to cope. Naomi realizes shortly after his death that she's two months pregnant. We see Rava take Naomi in and Roman and Stewy connect as they try to grieve, and separately a story set in the future with Kendall's teenage daughter with Naomi unraveling the real story behind her father's passing. Roman/Stewy Vampire AU - In which Logan is a vampire hunter who primarily keeps Roman at his side as his backup and sometimes literal punching bag. Stewy is a fairly old vampire, and Roman meets him for the first time only to catch himself more intrigued and amused than he should be; the problem is it isn't the first time at all, and Roman's memories cannot be trusted to tell him what he's been through or what he's missed as years have gone by. Roman pulls back from Logan as he realizes how deeply Logan has used and abused not just his body but his mind. Roman/Eduard "Run" AU - In which, during their brief friendship and connection, Roman and Eduard agreed to reconnect at a specific time and place the moment one texted the other the word "Run." Roman catches this text after his dad agrees to sell Waystar to GoJo, and lives up to his commitment to meet an Eduard who's a shade different than he was expecting. They travel together, away from all responsibilities and expectations, but not without complications. Kendall and his two boyfriends, Stewy and Lukas - Or, the throuple fic. Stewy has been in love with Kendall pretty much his whole life. Lukas, however, has been talking to Kendall a lot since the GoJo deal began, late night connections that eventually tilt towards the sexual. Stewy finds out, tries to earn Kendall's heart in a deeply pathetic but sweet way, and just winds up having sex with him again. Eventually… Kendall has two boyfriends, and everyone is chill. Roman/priest!Mencken Fleabag AU - If you haven't seen Fleabag, don't walk, run. It's amazing and if you like my shit you will adore it, it's absolutely my vibe. That said, concept here is pretty straightforward: Roman's a snarky, weird mess of a person, and meets the priest who's going to officiate Tom and Shiv's wedding. The problem is the priest is aggressively hot and over the course of their friendship (he volunteers for a church event, what is WRONG with him) the priest also clearly wants to fuck him no matter how much they talk around it. Eventually the chemistry explodes. Roman/Mencken pro dom AU - This is also fairly straightforward. Total AU where Mencken is a professional dom who Roman is convinced to attend due to struggling to find someone to fit that outlet who he can trust to be discreet. There are clear professional boundaries. Of course no one would cross them. Of course. (Thinking Romewilla as a sidedish for this one - Roman's girlfriend to the world, who he does genuinely care for and would be aware of what's going on. Eventual polyam.) Tabitha/Roman get married AU - I'm not sure how much more to say about this, but, hey, this would be fun to tease out, what can I say. Roman/Stewy LA AU Roman and Stewy genuinely connect in New York when he's visiting Kendall for a birthday. The problem is that Roman has to fly back to LA, so the whole thing should by all rights be pretty short-lived, but even thousands of miles apart neither of them can let it go. (You know how these things go.) I may be missing something, let me know. Anyway, typing everything out made me think a lot about each of these. I'll be looking back at this. Talk to me about any of this if you want.

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sakuraihoshi-personalblog · 2 years

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A few days ago I showed my friend @chuishiu these edited photos of Fem Greg and we fell in love. Fem Greg is so pretty! And we think that if Greg had been like that in the series… definitely a lot of things would change in the plot, especially his TomGreg dynamic. So between the two of us we made these headcanons (it's the first part):

-His name obviously wouldn't be Greg, but it could be Greer or Gina-short for Georgina-.

-The kindest with her would be Connor- yes; In this blog we are faithful believers that Connor is something weird but kinder than the rest of his brothers-. And maybe he's the only one who gives her cute nicknames like "little girl" or "little princess." He may see it as the opportunity to have a younger sister whom he can take care of and treat affectionately, because Shiv was always a bit distant for that.

-Kendall would be more considerate with her. I mean, he's treated employees and other people badly, but usually it's men. We don't think he threatens her like he does Greg but we do think he scolds her sometimes.

-Roman wouldn't hit her like he does Greg sometimes. However, he is much less friendly than Kendall so possibly his attacks go to derogatory comments about his appearance- I mean, the photo shows that it is not so, but knowing Roman, I would surely tell him that she is "ugly" or looks like a giraffe , By its tallness-.

-We also see that Logan is relatively friendly with Greg, so we consider that he will be even more so with Greer, of course; we know that is a passive manipulation, but deep down we believe that since she is a younger, clumsy and insecure niece he would have a little consideration.

-With Shiv it may get all interesting, and more if we link it with the last point: What if Logan is evident with this good treatment towards his niece? And all in order to see how his daughter reacts.

Knowing Shiv, it is obvious that this will annoy her but she will not show it immediately or clearly, it is more; I think she might join in on Roman's attacks only when Greer isn't around, and when they're together she'll act like "the nice older sister Greer never had" just to make her feel confident and sabotage her actions at other times. Of course, Greer won't figure this out quickly, but when she does, she'll find a way to indirectly prove that she's not some dumb girl.

Note: I remembered where I got the photos of Fem Greg! They were edited by @scooptitty-whoop and they are all so pretty! I wanted to do the same on my own but… I don't have Face App Pro :'D So if you're reading this please I hope you don't mind me using your edits for my headcanons posts :3

Fem Greg Headcanons -Part2-

#tomgreg edit #tomgreg au #tomgreg #cousin greg #fem Greg #Cousin Greer AU

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heartslobbf · 2 years

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succession, the disruption / james baldwin, go tell it on the mountain

#i think this actually is something and im VERY happy with it #like. shiv hates kendall and it’s very complicated but essentially logan builds her up as his only daughter his darling whatever #oooo shes going to take over the company blah blah. but shiv knows that kendall is still like His Boy in that fucked roy way #so shes really trying to kill him and really trying to prove that she’s better snd aahssmdndjdfn #shiv babygirl ilysm #kendall babygirl . i have Thoughts about you ok #shut up daisy #succession #succession spoilers #shiv roy #kendall roy #web weaving #james baldwin #ALSO this was one of my fave early moments from go tell it :)

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catinfroghat · 2 years

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I've joked a lot about tomshiv divorce era but honestly I don't see it happening so here's my actual predictions for tomshiv going forward (This is looonnngggg btw so if anyone actually reads all of this I love you):

Shiv will not tell Kendall or Roman that it was Tom who sold them out, that would require her admitting that she made a mistake and would make her feel too vulnerable, which she is not ready to acknowledge, especially in front of her brothers who have been consistently misogynistic towards her throughout season 3. Imagine the shame of having to admit as a woman in the Roy family that you were brought down due to marital issues.

She may try to keep up a facade with Tom and pretend she doesn't know it was him to try to keep the upper hand, but she is firey and impulsive so will probably let it slip at a time she knows will hurt him just for a taste of revenge.

Neither Tom nor Shiv will want a divorce but one or the other may threaten it as a form of leverage because they know the other person needs them to keep their current position, so may bring it up to get what they want.

Tom needs Shiv to stay close to Logan. Despite everything, Logan does love his daughter and would not stand to see her publicly humiliated by a divorce so soon after they got married (Remember their wedding was only around 3 months ago). It's also unlikely that Tom would be considered for a high position unless he had ties to the family, so he knows that if they were to divorce he would be out on his own.

Shiv needs Tom because she is acutely aware that her status as a woman means she will be judged for her personal life. Admitting that her marriage is a failure will reflect poorly on her and she knows it, however unfair and sexist it may be. I also think that she will use Tom's new position as Logan's favourite to her advantage in some way, maybe trying to get insider information from Tom. This could backfire if he figures out what she's doing or refuses to comply.

They may come to a new agreement where they treat their marriage more like a business arrangement than ever, with Shiv perhaps even agreeing to having children in return for them keeping up the facade of a functional relationship in public.

I think them having children is likely at this point, but I think it will be uncomfortably transactional. If Shiv carries or is already pregnant (which I doubt), it will solidify Tom's "villain arc" so to speak because forcing Shiv into such a misogynistic role when she seems so against being a mother would be undeniably awful, and considering raising a child in that environment is arguably worse.

BUT I also think a Shiv pregnancy would have unfortunate connotations in such a male dominated show, so I think the writers would be wary going directly down that route. It would also limit the amount of things Shiv could do in the story if she is pregnant, such as a possible return to her past as a party girl and addict as she spirals. Given the compact timeline of Succession, she would probably spend the rest of the series pregnant which would be shitty for a lot of reasons.

So I think it's probably more likely that they consider using a surrogate. It could double as an interesting exploration of how money and power can be wielded and the ethics of wealthy couples paying for someone else to go through the process of pregnancy and childbirth on their behalf so that they don't have to sacrifice their own lifestyle. Since the timeline is so short, the baby will probably not appear on the show but will function more as a symbol of the cycles of abuse in this family continuing long after the show ends.

If a split does happen, it will be negotiated in private, and will be a separation rather than a divorce. They may even live separately for a while, but they will continue to act like a couple at public events and maybe even within the family.

Both will use their private separation as permission to have gay sex (this is more a hope than a legitimate prediction but come on... at least one of them has to)

Anyway I think the healthiest thing for them both would to get a divorce and that's why it must never ever happen. There is much more failmarriage toxicity coming our way and it's going to be delicious.

#i adore both tom and shiv and their dynamic is excruciating in the best way #if any of this comes true they need to hire me as a writer for season 5 btw #succession #tomshiv #succession meta #shiv roy #tom wambsgans #siobhan roy #tasha talks #s4 predictions

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romanticerawitch4 · 2 years

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I feel like there's definitely a tactic (with overlap) of abuse that Logan likes with all the kids, for Roman it's physical abuse and dangling affection if he's ruthless enough, for Shiv it's icing her out and manipulating her when she says fuck it okay (like the "does my daughter like me :(((" evil), and for Kendall it's isolating him no matter if he's golden child, their own little secrets like in s2 even s3 or self destructing outside the family

Yes this is so true! I saw someone on Twitter say that one of Kendall’s core personality traits is that he’s an attention whore and one his main destructive tendencies is self isolating or “I’m not here” removing himself emotionally from the things surrounding him. But Logan does this with him too, and I think that was highlighted more this season with the way Kendall still needed his father’s attention no matter if it was positive or negative and Logan knew that hence why he blocked him at the end of episode 5. He knows the cruelest punishment he can give Kendall is to pretend like he doesn’t matter at all, which has always been the threat “you’re nothing”, and always been Kendall’s greatest fear.

He actually deploys a similar tactic with Shiv as you highlighted but it’s in the opposite way. Kendall is the golden child and singled out that way whereas Shiv is the only daughter and kept isolated because of that. But her status as only daughter doesn’t give her the Logan privileges Kendall’s does, instead she’s kept out entirely and any attention or validation Logan gives her is to be treasured but it’s also never real. I do find it interesting that Logan talks to the women within Succession very differently than he does the men and I find that his manipulation of Shiv is very similar to how he handled Rhea. Shiv is the only sibling who ever seems to get “nice” Logan. Of course it’s all a play at the end, he acts as a beacon of safety and support and then snaps into the threat whenever the women of the show are no longer of use or defy him. With Shiv this comes out as those terribly manipulative “family Siobhan!” type comments. His threats towards her are often tied to her not being a part of the family because she’s always felt outside as the only girl.

Roman gets the most vicious and overt abuse from Logan because Logan doesn’t see value to him beyond a lackey, he doesn’t see him as a potential CEO and he’s honestly a potentially harmful person publicity wise to put in any position of power because of the things he does to impress Logan (ex the abuse of the working class such as the million dollar trick from the first episode). But he knows how to manipulate Roman fairly easily, give him positive attention on the rare occasion Logan thinks he deserves it and beat him down any other time. But Logan also knows this kind of behavior is likely to drive Roman to form alliances with his siblings or others which is why he punishes Roman for others behavior, like in Argestes and often does so publicly where with someone like Kendall he punishes him privately so Kendall can never be sure if it’s real or not. Roman’s biggest fear also highlighted this season is that there’s something fundamentally wrong with him and by publicly shaming him Logan is constantly telling him that there is and it’s something everyone knows but him.

With each kid his main tactic is finding a way to isolate them from each other so that he’s the only person they feel they can trust and the only person that matters. He withholds praise and affection to make them more valuable and to make the kids beg for them. In the season finale he tried to speed through these tactics fairly quickly when the kids confront him. He tries to isolate them by pushing Kendall out of the room and saying he can’t trust him ergo the other kids can’t trust him. He tries to separate Roman so he can talk to him on his own as that private personal attention has always made Roman join his side. And he mocks Shiv to make her seem ridiculous and like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. But it doesn’t work this time because this season was about the kids realizing that they are victims and survivors of their father’s abuse and they now know the tactics he’ll use against them so much so that Logan’s attacks in the finale almost seem like a parody.

#i never realized until you said it but there’s so many secrets between Kendall and Logan!#which is also just another way of isolating Kendall and making it so the rest of the siblings and the world are the enemies #thanks for the ask!#succession #tw abuse #tw discussions of abuse #kendall roy #shiv roy #roman roy #logan roy #asks

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Speaking of Shiv and the dog metaphor the scene where Logan starts out whining that his only daughter isn’t saying nice things about him and only gets worse kills me because she starts out a mix of defiant and cajoling (she doesn’t want to isolate Kendall! Roman is doing fine!) and ends up just that little broken and thankful daddy is protecting her

oh my god the way Logan guilt trips her for not doing that interview and then makes fun of Roman for actually doing it makes me scream. Because I think regardless of his mysoginism (like yeah of course he wants “his only daughter” to get up on stage in a pretty dress with ribbons and fucking bows and do a little jig for daddy) it boils down to him knowing that out of all his kids, Shiv is the hardest for him to control.

And in a way I also think that she’s the one he likes “kicking” the most, because she’s both aware that this is The Game™️ that they have to play in order to gain his respect, and she also never really backs down in the way Kendall and Roman do (and i just know that pisses him off so much!!!). Kendall, he knows will ultimately always buckle under pressure, and Roman has never really actively “played” his game (before “all the bells say” sure he would bite on command for Logan but he never really had the guts to actually challenge him).

But Shiv ‘youngest child/only daughter syndrome’ Roy has been the only one to consistently stand up to him. She openly mocked both his little family therapy PR stunt and the Solomon’s baby asset stripping panel in S2, she called out Logan’s bullshit about always wanting her to come into the firm, and she’s never shy to question his moves and never quick to kiss his ass. And i just know that has his geriatric ass SHIVERING and his hip replacement popping out of joint!!! In that episode he says “…I wonder ‘Does Shiv even like me?’” and it’s so fucking sad because her need for Logan’s approval is like the one thing that never allows her to show any kind of vulnerability (if she wants to be taken seriously), and here he is more or less telling her that not an ounce of it has even really mattered because she’ll always just be his little Pinky that he keeps around as a morality pet for the cameras.

It also drives me INSANE that Shiv sees through all of this and knows her dad’s stringing her along but her response is basically “sorry to all u other hoes but i’m different 💅🏼😌”. And like…just keeps getting kicked. I also think Tom played a huge role in how much she was willing to withstand though. ‘Cause she loves being the poster child for cognitive dissonance, so one of the ways in which she justified getting into the mud and fighting for a stick was her belief that she was ultimately above it all bc she managed to have a career outside of the firm before, and bc she had a “healthy, functional relationship” (🥲🤌). So I’m REALLY curious to see how she’s gonna handle not having her confirmation bias meat puppet in s4 :/

#ask #cauldronofmorning #shiv roy #this barely makes sense but y’all get it right???#god said ‘im going to give you a daughter that is your spitting image and you will loathe it so much’#you can break every mirror in your house but what do you do when you stare your kid in the face and all you see is your own reflection???#the way i feel about succession makes me empathize with pretentious film guys i hate it

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hi hey hello would you please write me a miniature essay on why you think kendall tried to tell caroline the truth (of all people) and whether you think—had caroline listened, even inattentively—he would've actually been able to get the words out?

Hi hey hello, sorry it’s taken me twelve million years to answer this, it got swallowed up by my inbox, but YES, I am absolutely fascinated by all the kids’ relationship with Caroline, and in particular that choice to have Caroline be – maybe – the first person Kendall ever actually told.

How members of the family found out, or almost found out, about what happened at Shiv’s wedding, feels really symbolic of the deeper relationships beyond the discovery. From Logan knowing before Kendall could ever tell him, and using that to not only strongarm his son professionally but to re-create a half-real-half-manufactured intimacy in order to control him (and I would argue protect him as well), to Shiv almost finding out in 2.04 out of her own sense of vulnerability and insecurity, to Kendall finally, cathartically actually caving and telling Shiv and Roman in Italy in a way that didn’t so much heal a break but maybe reset a dislocation between the three of them.

Kendall almost telling Caroline in England is that in spades too, and I think a lot about how the title of that episode, The Return, is so apt because it’s more than just a return to the UK. It’s a return to childhood for the Golden Trio in revisiting their mother, but it’s also a return to trauma in so many ways – most literally, of course, for Kendall, who ends up at the family home of the boy he killed, but also for Shiv who’s been forced back into the role of capital-d Daughter, ergo outsider to the machismo-soaked inner circle of her own family, for Tom who’s reconfronted with the cruise ship documents Greg salvaged, and I think for Caroline too, who’s sort of re-faced with the fact that her children chose their father and shunted her to the outside of the family.

(This isn’t really here nor there for this particular post, but I’m always fascinated that this ‘return’ pre-empts a larger one for Logan in the next episode as he returns to Scotland and is seemingly confronted with the memory of his sister).

I think in that sense, Caroline’s a sort of outsider to the inside, or an insider on the outside, depending on how you want to look at it, and that positions her pretty uniquely in the family itself. There’s a space to that, room, which given how tightly entangled everything and everyone else is, I think Kendall felt maybe there was a way out through.

An exit from his father, from the man he himself has become, through his mother. Like a choice he could retrospectively re-make - he always picked his dad, what would life have been if he'd picked his mother?

He knows deep down that she isn’t capable of this sort of emotional intimacy, but Kendall was drowning and I do think his hug and brief flicker of closeness with Shiv in 2.04 pmade him seek out the perceived open-embrace of the women in his family versus the perceived close-fist of the men. Kendall canonically is pretty sexist anyway, and I do think he expects more emotional labour from Shiv and Caroline than he does from, say, Roman, Connor and his dad, but at that point in s2, I do think it makes sense given how his interactions with the family had gone overall.

But yeah, more to the point of your ask, I think Kendall was thrust back into two pasts – one where he’d done something awful, and the other a childhood marked simply by before (before he’d done what he’d done, before the whole mess with his dad, god, even before the drugs) – and together that formed a complicated, twisting cocktail which meant seeking comfort in his mother was something romanticised. He wanted someone to shoulder some of the emotional labour, wanted relief, and he wanted looking after - he wanted a return to childhood - and for a minute, in his mother’s country, in the motherland, he could pretend she was capable of giving him any of that.

#it's interesting particularly to view it in context with his birthday ep i think #s1 was really marked by kendall looking forwards #i think s2 mostly by him being made to eat the present #and i think s3 by him pretending he was going forwards while really clawing his way backwards #through holing up in rava's apartment #through his childhood-themed birthday party #through seeking out abuse and re-writing it as love #he's a pendulum in a lot of ways #while the rest of his siblings circle the track #as for whether or not he would've told caroline #no i don't think so #i think in some ways too he approached caroline BECAUSE he knew deep down she wasn't capable of it #even subconsciously #mess i love them all #kendall roy #caroline + kendall #caroline collingwood #hbo succession #succession 2.07 #succession meta #welcome to my ama

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hageny · 3 years

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Succession Thoughts: Gerri x Roman

1. Personal.

It may get overlooked because it’s their first scene, but something interesting occurs between Gerri and Roman during their discussion here. Roman offers Gerri the chance to “step in and take the reigns” while Logan is incapacitated. Gerri, as we know, declines his offer, and it’s the reaction that Roman has that is the most interesting here. He reacts by fumbling almost angrily, inhaling and saying, “Uhhhh, okay...can uh, can I ask why?” Even the way he runs his hand through his hair is telling; rather than merely slicking it back, he makes a point of roughly grabbing at it, chuckling in an almost aggressive way as he tries to convince Gerri to take him up on his offer. This brings me to the point of this post: why do we assume that the beginning of their relationship--that is, Roman and Gerri’s--starts at the point at which we see it start? There is something clearly coy and personal here, something interesting about the fact that even in his first moments on screen, Roman is lobbying for Gerri to take the coveted position of CEO until a permanent replacement can be found. If Roman knows so little about Gerri, why would he do this? This also ties into what he says about Baird, at first not knowing who he is, and then when Gerri clarifies, Roman remembers a curious point about tortoises that’s never elaborated on. What Baird’s ‘tortoise thing’ is is not the issue, it’s that Roman, for some reason, knows about such a seemingly inconsequential detail and brings it up in conversation. This all, even in their first scene together, points to a relationship whose infancy is not at the point we assume it to be--namely, the beginning of the show--but may have its roots elsewhere, somewhere in the past. We don’t know what binds them together, why Roman already has an affinity for her, or why Gerri--during the disastrous shuttle launch--protects Roman and displays her loyalty to him. Who’s to say that what we see is what it is? Maybe the truth is more complex.

2. All the Sins.

A point that I think is also overlooked is Baird’s role--and by extension Gerri’s possible role and character--in the Cruises situation. We know that before Gerri, Baird was the General Counsel to Waystar, and while details are scant, we know that Lester held his position for a long time at Brightstar while Logan commandeered Waystar. We don’t know any specifics, but we do know that all three men were in positions of great power during the same time, and that it was a ‘team effort’, so to speak, that was taken to keep the scandals out of the public eye. This brings me to my point. A crucial insight to Gerri’s character that I see in her scene with Tom seems to get glossed over almost frustratingly. Gerri is, typically, by fans of the show, always cast in a good light, as someone who can ferry Waystar into the future, into a different, more positive environment. But really, who can say that Gerri has the character and moral compass to do this, or that she would want to? Gerri knows exactly what Tom is planning in Sad Sack Wasp Trap, which is to be honest with the public about the company’s short comings, and to make every effort to right the wrongs done in the past. Gerri--constantly depicted as a beacon of feminism within the fandom--has no interest in actually helping the women who were hurt by Lester when the opportunity arises, a trait she shares with Shiv, who only wants to help when it benefits herself and her image. One could argue that she may have complex reasons for not doing so--not wanting her daughters to find out about Baird’s possible involvement, knowing that moving forward with it at this point would be impossible--but it is what Gerri says to Tom that reveals her character. She tells him to simply eat the sins on the corpse and shut up about the scandal. We know, when she speaks to Greg later, that she is the one who manipulated Greg into sharing with her the details of what Tom was planning to do. Am I suggesting that Gerri is solely evil, full of nothing but malice? Absolutely not; I believe that we enjoy her and Roman together because she is like he is--complicated, full of conflicting characteristics, some good and some bad. My point is merely that when we cast Gerri as some sort of beacon of virtue, we miss out on seeing her in a fuller, deeper sense. We hold onto her virtuous characteristics--or what we see as her better sides--to try to manipulate ourselves into believing that Gerri is a victim in all that happens around her, but this is not the case. Gerri herself says that eating the sins is pleasurable, because “there are harder jobs and you get a fuck load of cake”. We don’t know what Gerri has done during her time at Waystar, what she has hidden--”You know where the bodies are buried, you probably buried them yourself”--gone along with, felt powerless to fight, but we do know that, in all the situations she ever found herself in, the crassness of eating sins was overridden by the narcissistic rewards she reaped for herself in the end, and that her conscience is, as far as we can tell, unbothered. Why make Gerri what she isn’t? Gerri is what she is whether we enjoy it or not: cold, cunning, loyal, tender-hearted, unhappy. We should remember that we see her softer, best sides at play in her relationship with Roman, but that doesn’t mean that that is all she is--it means that this is merely who she is now, in this relationship.

#gerri/roman #gerri x roman #gerri kellman #roman roy #succession #succesion hbo #hbo succession #succession thoughts

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top five succession relationship dynamics!

1. Logan and his children. If I separate them they'd be the whole list, but I'm so interested by his contradictory and conditional (with the only language they have for him loving them is incestuous) treatment of all of them: Kendall has to be a killer but on a tight leash, Roman is only appreciated when he's trying to destroy everyone around him, Shiv has to be cutthroat but also his little daughter, Connor is Number One BoyTM only when all of his other children have left.

2. Siblings. Again if I separate them they'd be the whole list. Kendall and Roman being attack dogs but also Kendall protecting Roman from dad and Roman upset by Kendall's misery because it's proof that all the abuse in the family isn't a game. Connor angry at the golden trio because he was left out in the cold, but being a far better father than Logan was. Mirrors Kendall and Shiv and obnoxious but knowing twins Roman and Shiv.

3. Roman/Gerri. For all his bluster about being a sociopath, he protects her multiple times and she really wants to help him, just can't think of a way that would work professionally.

4. Tom and Shiv. I think out of everyone, Shiv will come home from a horrifying conversation with her parents (remember "The Disruption" where she just needed her father to tell her he didn't sexually abuse anyone?) and will find Tom angling for a way in, and they talk past each other at best or she just outright kicks.

5. Kendall and Frank. When I was making my way through season one, I thought "aw nice, godfather Frank is better dad than Logan". but then in s3, when Ken is a traumatised but acting awful little shit, there's the joke about the puppet becoming a real boy, Logan uses Frank to get his son to go to Brody's place and get "roughed up" as Kendall puts it, and we all know what happened in season finale. I don't know! it's sad and interesting.

honorary mention to Tom and Greg. love those freaks.

#succession

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