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kinnbig · 1 year

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so, who is the most pathetic? big, vegas or kim?

obsessed with this question thank u anon i am going to have to approach this very scientifically and rate their patheticness levels with super incredibly objective patheticness points

Big -

pathetic:

in unrequited love with his boss +2

roasted by Kim for being in unrequited love with his boss +1

got demoted cause some random guy asked for his job +1

put in his place by Chan while trying to put the new guy in his place +1

not invited to the Hum Bar shenanigans +1

lectured on homophobia by a 'straight' guy (while gay) +1

fell off his motorbike and was real angy about it +1

"it's because of me. I couldn't help Khun Kinn" +2

looks like he's on the verge of tears 24/7 +1

sad little hair strand +1

literally died +5

not pathetic:

captain of the Tawan hate squad -2

mean girl swag -1

beat up that guy and was hot about it -1

picked up Porsche by his hair and was really hot about it -2

total: 11

Vegas -

pathetic:

psychosexually obsessed with his cousin +1

all the daddy issues +2

rejected by Porsche +1

tried to bring Porsche a rose but had to leave with it because his cousin woke up from his coma and pretended to be allergic +1

Tankhun smacked him with a tray that one time +1

kicked out of his own bathroom so his cousin could give the guy he was trying to seduce a handjob +3

Gun smacked that book out of his hand +1

got punched sooo many times +1

used his prisoner as a therapist +2

fell in love with said prisoner after one (1) free therapy session +1

the entire hedgehog saga +3

"shoot me!" +1

the entire failed coup +2

"here's how I win." ... *loses* +1

not pathetic:

cool motorbike -1

all the murder/torture -2

so so many cunty outfits -1

did actually get laid -1

ate ass on-screen -2

was probably fucking Ken (good for him) -1

was turned into swiss cheese and lived -1

total: 12

Kim -

pathetic:

actually has a murder board +1

said murder board is behind a giant photo of himself +1

conducts secret investigations instead of communicating with his brothers like a normal person +2

didn't even solve the mystery he was investigating +2

so incredibly emotionally unavailable +1

saw a kid with an entire wall full of his photographs and went "...I wonder if this guy really likes me? maybe I should make him write a love song to check" +1

is the cheek kiss girlie in the fuck nasty show +1

ghosted a child +3

emotionally defeated by a smiley face fried egg +1

on Chay's blocklist +1

led Chay on for an investigation, ghosted him, cried into his polaroids when Chay didn't take him back +2

tried to apologise to Chay by gifting him dead bodies and songs instead of using his words +1

not pathetic:

broke into a mafia boss' office -1

out mean girlied the mean girlie (was mean to Big) -1

is maybe a celebrity -1

the entire bar fight scene -3

total: 11

and there you have it! it's so very close, but Vegas is officially the most pathetic by one (1) patheticness point. i will not be taking constructive criticism at this time

more very scientific kinnporsche research

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fromperdition4 · 14 days

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Big's Intentions

In Episode 4, Porsche finally learns that Kinn is gay (and boy, does he) - first, through an awkward interaction that's orchestrated by Big: he asks Porsche to take in a special delivery for Kinn just as he was about to arrive with a guest, and he tells Porsche to go right in instead of knocking.

Big essentially outs Kinn here, and Porsche (rightfully) calls him out for it.

The thing is - I don't know if Big thought he was outing Kinn?

So, we know Big's primary motivation here is jealousy.

Big is in love with Kinn, and he hated being replaced as head bodyguard - especially by Porsche, who takes every opportunity to provoke him.

Tonight, Big is the instigator - he strolls up to Porsche just to mock him for being demoted:

But Porsche fires back in an unexpected (Mean Girls-esque) way:

To Porsche, this was simply a dig at Big's status as an employee - it's the equivalent of someone bragging to their coworker about getting to have lunch with the boss.

But is that how Big took it?

Later on, after the whole awkward incident with Kinn, we see Porsche debriefing with Pete, who says he assumed Porsche knew Kinn was gay because everyone knows that.

So, what if Big had that same assumption? And what if he took Porsche's brag to be a dig at Big's feelings for Kinn?

Then maybe what Big actually wanted was to give Porsche a wake-up call - to make him realize that Kinn will never cross the line with him, because he has so many better options than to get involved with a bodyguard. To give him the same lesson that Big has had to learn, over time.

If that were the case, then Big would have expected Porsche to come out of Kinn's room demoralized - maybe even a little heartbroken - after seeing him get cozy with someone else. Someone who's pretty, and sweet, and just Kinn's type.

Unlike Porsche. (or Big)

But instead, Porsche comes out feeling awkward simply because he interrupted Kinn in an intimate moment. Which leads him to chastise Big, while tilting everything Big thought he knew off-balance.

...

Or, that's one possibility, at least!

Whatever Big's motivation was here, it ultimately backfired. All it did was give Porsche a chance to take the moral high ground, and give Kinn a chance to see Porsche in a whole new light.

#kinnporsche #kpanniversary2024 #big #porsche #kinn #pete #ep 4 #was going to go into detail about the other view #i.e. that big did think he was outing kinn to porsche #probably so porsche would reveal his 'true colours'#but other people have talked about that better than I can #(and about how it's still not a good reason to out kinn)#so I decided to stick with just this #after latching on to pete saying #_everyone_ knows about it #like - kinn is very much out around his people #so it seems reasonable that big thought porsche knew

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lu-sn · 1 year

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so i've been thinking about vegaspete, and kinnporsche, and the parallels of abusive behavior for these two pairings.

cw: discussions of emotional, physical and generational abuse

both pairs start with one person in significant power over the other. kinn has just strongarmed porsche into becoming his employee, and vegas has imprisoned pete. they both then follow a remarkably similar set of events.

kinn and vegas force porsche (ep2-3) and pete (ep10-11) respectively through a combination of both physical and emotional abuse. this abuse is expected given the power dynamic.

kinn and vegas start to treat porsche (ep3-4) and pete (ep11-12) differently than they should be treating them. nicer, if you will.

kinn and vegas have a sexual encounter with porsche (ep4) and pete (ep12) respectively.

kinn and vegas enact physical and emotional abuse on porsche (ep5) and pete (ep13) again, after an ill-fated encounter with each of their fathers. however, the abuse hurts porsche and pete much deeper than before, not just because of the sexual encounter, but because of the emotional bond that served as a foundation for said encounter.

porsche and pete cannot bear it, and they leave kinn (ep5) and vegas (ep13).

kinn and vegas go looking for porsche (ep5) and pete (ep13) to apologize.

kinn (ep6) and vegas (ep14) apologize again, with more gravity.

kinn and vegas tell porsche (ep6) and pete (ep14) that they can and should leave.

the details vary. kinn tends more towards direct emotional abuse (telling porsche he's being treated just like everyone else / like nothing, demoting him and trading him away) and indirect physical abuse (punishing him via the bodyguard system). vegas is inflicting all kinds of abuse on pete, all by his own hands. but at their cores, the journeys look EXTREMELY similar.

and then, of course, they diverge.

at its heart, the vegaspete storyline in s1 is about the cycles of abuse, and what it means to break free of them. gun inflicts abuse on vegas, vegas turns around and inflicts it on pete. pete does not stand for this and leaves, which leads to vegas refusing to perpetuate his part of the cycle, thereby allowing pete to stay free -- but vegas is still trapped in the cycle by gun.

then gun gets killed.

through almost no action of his own, vegas is free. pete sees this, and understands what it means, whether consciously or subconsciously: pete can return to vegas. and pete can now trust fully that vegas will treat him well, since vegas is not trapped himself. pete won't have to be constantly looking over his shoulder for the next time gun sets vegas off.

vegas is so fucking lucky that he didn't have to break out of the cycle himself. if gun had continued to live, perhaps in a world where there was no coup, vegas could not have had both gun and pete. he would have had to choose, and choosing pete would have meant dethroning his father. fighting back against your abuser, when they are also your parent? an insurmountable task. suffice to say, it would have been terrible for vegas.

but, for better or for worse, korn took care of that for him. and now the vegaspete arc has reached its resolution. they've broken free. they can start healing.

kinn... kinn is very much not free.

and we kind of see the consequences of that through the latter half of the show. kinn loves porsche. i don't think there's any doubt about that. but that love doesn't stop kinn from occasionally treating porsche very poorly. he doesn't tell porsche anything about tawan, and porsche tries to do his best with the information he has -- and when it backfires horrendously, kinn asks porsche to apologize without taking any blame for himself.

i would consider this emotional abuse. and maybe you would disagree, but there's another very similar incident in the show that i think firmly counts as emotional abuse: korn lying to kinn about his death.

kinn thinks his dad is dead, and then days later his uncle comes to attack. kinn tries his level best to push through his grief and defend his household with little to no help. and after a terrifyingly high body count, kinn runs into a hidden room, and his dad is there, and his dad is alive, and his dad says nothing to him.

not a single acknowledgement of the fake death, let alone an apology. no blame assigned to korn. just kinn, alone, reeling from the fallout of his dad having lied to him in the most cruel way possible.

and why doesn't kinn protest this? well, for one, it's his dad. see previous statement about that kind of thing being extremely difficult. but two, and this is much worse, kinn probably believes that his dad was in the right. he's fallen for it, hook line and sinker. it was okay for korn to not trust him, to use him as a means to an end -- because korn is in charge, and korn knows what's right.

and this is the exact abuse kinn perpetuates to porsche for the tawan incident. he expects porsche to step in line. he doesn't think porsche is in the right to ask for mutual trust, because misplaced trust ruins plans. kinn is in charge, and kinn knows what's right.

cycles of abuse. over and over. and again, if gun had stayed alive, vegas may very well have been stuck in a similar position.

but here's another difference between the two couples, and i think it matters tremendously. pete left, and pete didn't come back until gun was dead. vegas might not have been free, but at least pete had escaped from the line of fire.

porsche left, and came back, and put himself right back into the cycle he had originally tried to run away from.

this is very much not good for porsche. kinn will continue to perpetuate the abuse korn inflicts on him, in between showering porsche with love. and it's going to really fuck with porsche, just like it did in ep5. the only options that could make porsche's life abuse-free are if he decides to walk away, or if korn dies. and korn is much, much harder to kill.

i don't think the kinnporsche storyline in s1 is necessarily about the cycles of abuse the same way it is for vegaspete. both kinn and porsche start the season ensnared separately, and they end it ensnared together. the kinnporsche arc in s1 is more about love and corruption.

but in order for porsche to be happy -- truly happy, he's going to have to break the cycle he's trapped in. and if he tries it, he'll be forcing kinn's hand. kinn will have to choose between korn and porsche.

and it's a choice kinn's not going to want to make.

#and ofc we can trace all of this back to granpappy theerapanyakul 🙃#cycles on cycles on cycles #kinnporsche #vegaspete #kinn theerapanyakul #porsche kittisawasd #vegas theerapanyakul #pete saengtham #cw: abuse

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ahdriking · 2 years

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That post about Kinn is so interesting! like YES Kinn is violent! He's *exceptionally* good at being violent because he sees it as necessary to keep people in line. When he uses physical violence it's often to make a psychological point, like shooting people dead in a meeting room or fighting Porsche hand to hand on the boat. Plus violent act that are non-physical are used to give him a cruel psychological upper hand, like forcing Porsche to watch him flirt with men to remind him he's disposable. It's very much all about violence as a means to exercise control. I think he often gets mischaracterised as "soft" or "softer" when he's put in contrast with Vegas or even Kim, who are good at and crucially *enjoy* violence, Vegas fully leaning into the enjoyment and Kim cringing away from it until it's necessary (finale bar scene / the other bar scene aka neon 'are you ready? Yeah' bar scene). But I think the key thing is it's not about the thrill of violence for Kinn it's about the rush of power that it gains him over others.

It's pretty tough writing characters that are all distinct but use and view violence in similar ways. Kim uses it to gain power over his own emotions often rage and isolation. Then there's only a very subtle distinction between Kinn and Vegas where Kinn uses it to gain power and Vegas uses it because it makes him *feel* powerful (the actual power gained being secondary). I guess that's where lots of people choose to make much Kinn softer in contrast, because in certain contexts he can be.

But in all 3 cases the outcome is still the same, all three of them have been raised to use violence without apology. Which is why it's so interesting to see how they cope when they use violence on the ones they love (Porsche, Pete and Chay) and are forced to reconcile their instinct to use violence to put them back in control, with their need to keep the one they love safe. .....Anyway I will get out of your inbox now :')

God everything about this-- fuck yes. You've absolutely nailed it. Thank you for spending so much time in my inbox dropping this delicious meta.

I love that you bring up how they have to reconcile the violence they've always used and relied on against the ones they love, because that a deliciously interesting rabbithole of meta. Like, looking at Kinn, for example, he sees people as tools to be manipulated and used for a purpose, he invests time and care in them because they must be kept in good order, but can easily replace them should they break or prove not useful (read: he doesn't get attached) but if someone steps out of line, violence is used to remind them where they stand, whether it be an ally (punishing a bodyguard) or an enemy (taking out the embezzler/the don). After Tawan, he shut down his feelings and personal attachments and dedicated himself to work to the extent that he doesn't have a life outside the mafia-- even his friends are exclusively mafia related-- as per his fathers wishes, so he lives almost exclusively in a bubble of moral bankruptcy and violence, which means it's nothing to him to use wield violence as a means of pursuing his ends. It's his first instinct, even.

And then he meets Porsche.

Using violence against Porsche-- ambushing him in his bar in a psychological mind game, abducting him, fighting him, threatening to shoot him, actually shooting at him, parading men around in front of him, punishing him, yelling at him, demoting him, slapping and choking him out-- none of that succeeds in bringing him in line and that drives Kinn out of his mind. Here is a man, the first man Kinn's ever met, who can't be beaten into submission or simply killed for it. Here is a man who fights back.

And then he goes and catches feelings. And suddenly, for the first time in his life, he regrets choosing violence. He meets a person who who sees as more than a tool, who deserves better than to be manipulated with ruthlessness, and he regrets the actions he took to hurt him. For a man who murdered a lover and never looked back, it's a pretty big deal fucking deal. It's why ep6 is such a beloved and fascinating episode, because we see Kinn come such a long way by the end of it, when he is ready and willing to sacrifice himself to keep Porsche safe. Also, to go from despising Porsche for his inability to be controlled, to willingly setting him free? Kinn is willing to let something that belongs to him go, simply because he loves it enough to want it to be happy. Just. Yeah, that hits.

Kinn doesn't become any less ruthless throughout the series-- he still treats people with violence, he still relies on violence as a means of retaining power, and he still enjoys power. But. But by the end of it, he has a man by his side who he would never again raise a hand against, who he would burn the world for, who he would give his life for. He has someone worth as much (if not more) to him than the power he has spent his entire life pursuing. And it's beautiful.

#kinnporsche #kinnporsche meta #LOVE THIS ASK

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shortpplfedup · 2 years

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Anatomy of a Scene Y'all really gon pretend not to see this elephant standing here?

KinnPorsche, Episode 5 Directors: Khom Kongkiat Khomsiri, Pepzi Banchorn Vorasataree, Pond Krisda Witthayakhajorndet Writers: Pond Krisda Witthayakhajorndet, Poi Patchayamon Theewasujaroen, Yok Sitthichai Panya, Ning Bhanbhassa Dhubthien Cast: Mile Phakphum Romsaithong (Kinn), Apo Nattawin Wattanagitiphat (Porsche)

Ah denial, in more ways than one. I find Kinn a fascinating character. His story is all about a powerful man with all this control losing both power and control to a person who ostensibly possesses neither but easily takes both from him without even trying, and what that does to his psyche. Simply put, Porsche is making Kinn lose it, and he feels that intensely, and he hasn't a clue how to regain control or in fact whether he even wants to.

I know I say this a lot but jeez the LAYERS to this scene. Porsche is returning home, feeling good about himself for the first time since he got drugged and attacked and he sees Kinn sitting there sleeping, maybe waiting up for him he thinks, and he does feel some tenderness for him. He's finally ready to maybe try sorting out some of what he feels about the events of the past 24 hours or so. Maybe Kinn cares after all, maybe he wasn't just used and discarded and punished for it.

Kinn though is sick with worry and guilt and no small amount of jealousy, wondering if he pushed Porsche into Vegas' arms, scared that he won't come back. I don't think he intended to speak so harshly but guilt and worry and jealousy are emotions with which he is completely unfamiliar and does not know how to handle, so he defaults to an emotion he does understand: anger, tries to re-exert control. I told you to stay away from Vegas. I didn't give you permission to go with him.

Porsche pushes back. Oh now you care? You didn't care before. I can do what I want. And maybe I want him. He hasn't harmed me like you have. And this is when Kinn starts doing a tango around the elephant in the room, because he panics. He can't even say the words when it comes to what happened between them. He KNOWS he's done Porsche lots of wrong, but he absolutely can't face that, so he tries to gaslight Porsche, pretend he hasn't done anything wrong. You're mine, I can do whatever I want with you, I'm in control here, I have the power. And if I have the power, that means everything I did was right and you must accept that. I fucked you, it didn't mean anything, get over it.

And Porsche calls his bluff. If you're in the right, then do it again, I dare you. If you haven't done wrong then you can do it again right? Show me this 'power' you have. Checkmate. Because Kinn KNOWS he's done wrong, and Porsche knows that he knows because otherwise he wouldn't be so desperately trying to convince him it's no big deal. Still...Kinn almost succumbs anyway. Kinn has no power here, he lost control when he allowed himself to be goaded into doing something he knew he shouldn't, and he is almost goaded again here. But Porsche isn't aware that HE has the power right now because he absolutely feels powerless in the circumstances. He doesn't realise that Kinn feels the same, powerless in the face of guilt and jealousy that he can't control.

Finally, Kinn tries to re-exert his power in the only way he can: to move Porsche around like a chess piece, demote him from a knight to a pawn. You are replaceable to me. Except that's a lie and Kinn knows it, but Porsche does not. And Porsche, who has always set his own value is devalued once again by Kinn and left feeling as shitty as he did before.

Porsche wants Kinn to take responsibility for what happened between them, but Kinn absolutely cannot do that because it would mean acknowledging that Porsche made him lose control. And that would mean that he's vulnerable, there's a chink in his armour, there's a way to get to him, there's a way for him to lose everything. Worse, that he might be tempted to give it all away, let it all fall apart, in exchange for Porsche. It must seem to him an unforgivable weakness. But Porsche doesn't see any of that, he just sees himself being devalued again by this man, seen as worthless to him, and it's sort of the last straw. He could deal with what happened if he could see it as overwhelming desire, as him having value to Kinn somehow. He can't deal with it if it feels like a dirty grubby fuck because he was there and throwing himself at Kinn and Kinn simply obliged him, got his rocks off and moved on.

You have to wonder why what Kinn feels is so important to Porsche. After all, Porsche is no stranger to casual sex, I'd argue probably no stranger to inebriated/altered sex either. But this time mattered, it was different, because he didn't choose to be altered, and because of his own confused and unexamined feelings about Kinn in the first place. He doesn't understand when it became important for him to feel like Kinn values him. I'd argue that Kinn's devaluation of him in the first place, handing him over to Tankhun, trading him like a pawn, is what triggered that. Because Porsche has always set his own value, who is Kinn to say otherwise? Maybe I wanted to make someone regret he said to Kinn in another scene where they're dancing around an elephant. And he got what he wanted in that instance, Kinn to value him. And he thought maybe they'd moved past that point but here they are again.

#kinnporsche #anatomy of a scene series #meta #on art #in which i write a lot of words but am not entirely sure i've said anything

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artpo · 4 months

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TEACHER AU PLS but also what is children who is children

Thank you for the ask queen!!!

JwDs Teacher AU is basically a kinder BE AU, with some elements of drama, brought by none other than Han Ki Hwan.

The general premise is that Han Joo Won comes to Manyang as a demotion because he steps on the toes of the Dean of Seoul National University's School of Law where he taught English language classes.

He finds himself in Manyang Elementary School, by his father's wish.

Joo Won knows every nook and cranny of Korean education system, so he is shocked to meet Lee Dong Sik, a man who adjusts his approach to every individual child.

Ultimately, they come together to save the Manyang Elementary School from demolition powered by greedy politicians TM.

As for "Children", that's my KinnPorsche fic in which Porsche has lived with Theerapanyakul's since he was a child (I still don't have a title ok and most of the scenes are of them as children so far :3). It's very dramatic and soap opera like, ngl.

Korn decides to move Chay and him away at one point, because he doesn't want them to get close to his sons in a way which would lead to any affection. Korn pays for their house, education and appoints people to take care of them.

Because of that, he believes that Porsche and Chay should become bodyguards to repay him for keeping them alive and fed.

Porsche promises Korn, he would be Kinn's bodyguard and submit to him completely if he promises to leave Chay alone.

Kinn and Porsche were friends in childhood, but developed animosity over the years because of external circumstances and Korn placing them exactly where he wanted, away from each other and then, Kinn above Porsche.

#zozo writes #kinnporsche #beyond evil

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oshieteacapella · 1 year

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KinnPorsche liveblog: ep.1 y 2

So I’ll be watching again (haven’t finished, I stopped at ep.11) with subtitles fixed so because the boys deserve to say fuck.

He is and you are the worst. They really started strong with this one, for a moment I thought “Um, head off the gutter” to myself, but no, it was intentional.

Also: I thought this open shirt Kinn had going on was a character choice, but not, that’s just Mile. It’s his show, good for him!

THE QUEEN IS HERE!

Casually serving looks, main character lightning and slut energy all at once. Iconic.

I’ve seen this episode so I won’t stop at everything that catches my eye. BUT I HAVE TO MENTION THIS:

Big’s been less than 3 minutes in the show AND HE HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOT. This poor guy better have a room alone and paid holidays.

Posing while there is a gunfight next door. ALSO:

His neck deserves its own credits.

Porsche joined the team 1 hour ago and Big is already demoted and stressed.

Bodyguard MOM CHAN IS HERE!

This rich kids are never happy, always complaining: “ugh I asked Dad for a car, he got me a hot boyfriend” wow, your life is so sad, cry me a river.

You were a barman literally the past episode!

Khun is my favorite. He is shiny, he is loud, he is a single mum who works two jobs raised two kids and now just wants to have pets and watch his tv show in peace, is that too much to ask??

The only one who isn’t laughing. Pete, you big hearted puppy.

THIS IS BREAD’S FIRST SCENE, guys!!!!

This is the happiest Big has ever been in this house you can’t change my mind.

“Oh no, the brat is hot, I made a mistake, this is not going according to keikaku.”

Two gays enter to a bathroom... they are opposite types of gay. Get ready to FIGHT!

I love that he supports Kunn’s slutiness when they weren’t dating! also IDIOT hahaha they’ve been establishing Kunn’s as gay as they come since the first minute and EVERYONE KNOWS IT BUT this idiot.

VEGAS IS HERE. God, He’s so pretty and flirty. Who would have thought he is also psychotic and fond of soup, chains, hedgehogs and books?

#kinnporsche liveblog #kinnporsche #my post #kp vegas

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bitacrytic · 1 year

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Talk about the major vs minor family has me wondering what Porsche is gonna do as the head of minor family and how does Vegas react to that. Also Porsche being at odds with Kinn because of this new position: Was this set up purposely to get a crack in their relationship? Probably. Will Vegas just sit back quietly twiddling his thumbs after getting demoted? Probably not.

Anon, are you are asking for canon spoilers? If you are, I'm sorry, I don't follow the books, so I can't tell you about the main/minor dynamics, beyond what the show has given us.

HOWEVER, if you're asking for my personal take???

Let's take your points one at a time.

What is Porsche going to do as head of the minor family and how does Vegas react to that?

I feel like Porsche is going to work with Vegas... not above Vegas. It wouldn't take a genius to know that Vegas knows minor family shit more than Porsche ever will. Considering how easily Porsche followed Vegas' lead with Uncle Thee, I feel like this is a possible progression.

He will never trust Vegas fully. I can see him double-checking Vegas' work or verifying details, but I can also see him following Vegas' lead.

Vegas might take a few months off, when he leaves the hospital. I can see him and Pete and Macau going to a DIFFERENT safe house for some fish air. But by the time Porsche burns down a few bridges, Vegas has to come back to work.

He'll handle business but I don't see him being resentful about the ring or Porsche being the "leader" of the minor family. If anything, it's good that it's Porsche and not Kinn or Korn. I imagine that Vegas might need a couple of years before he's ready to be in a room with either of them without reaching for a gun.

Porsche being at odds with Kinn because of his new position. Was it set up purposely to get a crack in their ship?

To say that Porsche and Kinn won't have trust issues or fight or break up is wishful thinking. Kinn hasn't worked through his issues yet and Pordche leaving him to go with Vegas was extremely traumatic. So, him magically becoming a trusting boyfriend is bullshit. I believe they still have work to do. Add to the fact that Porsche has developed his own trust issues and we have fiasco after fiasco in the making.

However, now that they're not hidden anymore, now that Porsche has his family and Kinn's friends and family know about Porsche, and Porsche is no longer just some bodyguard, I see their quarrels being hashed out, with people like Tankhun and Chay to go between. Because, I can't help but imagine what Kinn would do, if he was pissed at Porsche and hurling insults, only for Tankhun to enter into the room. And I know Chay will not hesitate to call porsche out when he's doing the wrong thing.

So, I don't think Porsche being the minor leader will crack their ship. It will just be another thing they have to work through. With the help of friends and family. They'll do their work. They'll learn to trust each other and hopefully, they'll set healthy boundaries between boundaries between relationship and their separate duties.

I also don't think Korn wanted to crack the ship, per se. He wanted Porsche to be loyal to Kinn. He didn’t want Kinn to reciprocate, but Kinn did. And Kinn has proven that he'll be an obedient son as long as his father doesn't try to take Porsche away from him. So, I think Korn has abandoned trying to separate them. He's seen a bunch of problems and solved them all by giving Porsche that ring.

Will Vegas sit back, twiddling his thumbs while being demoted?

No, I do not think he will. The ring is Porsche's. It was given to him by the main family. That's done. Vegas won't fight that.

But, I do think Vegas will do something to establish himself as the "actual" head of the minor family. Maybe hold a few secrets ransom, maybe stay out of a deal that falls through till Vegas shows up.

I don't think Porsche will fight back on it. But if Korn tries to arm twist Vegas, I feel like Vegas will assert himself. In my head, he and Porsche work more like partners at best, than Vegas being a subordinate.

And yeah, the minor family will continue to work with the main family. As Kinn said on the show, they're already sharing profits 50/50. There's hope for working together. And with Porsche between Kinn and Vegas, communication is possible. Harmony is possible.

I also see Pete's presence as a balm of sorts. The havoc that Vegas is capable of causing would not occur, because Vegas is a family man now. And one-thirds of that family has heavy ties to Korn. So he won't go all out. But he will do something.

So... yeah. These are my thoughts on the main/minor family dynamics, post-show.

#kinnporsche #vegaspete

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heretherebedork · 2 years

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I saw somebody say Kinn replaced Porsche as his bodyguard completely. But if I recall correctly, didn't he just replace him as his head bodyguard? Hence why he got mad, when Porsche said when he comes back, he won't be working for him. At this point, the only way I see Kinn giving up Porsche as his bodyguard, is if his father orders it.

Kinn demoted Porsche from head bodyguard to regular bodyguard and, frankly, that moment is also hugely symbolic in terms of Kinn's choices on keeping Porsche as his bodyguard.

If we remember when Porsche was declared Kinn's 'head' bodyguard it was by his father at his request, a humorous indulgence that no one has really paid much attention to up until this point except maybe in placement. But Porsche hasn't had much power until now and spent most of his time working for Tankhun, frankly, so it's just been a title with no meaning.

And then Kinn takes it away.

Kinn specifically takes it away after he has to punish Porsche at his father's insistence after he tries to gives Porsche time off for having raped him. And he hates it. He feels horrible about that punishment because he knows he did wrong and Kinn isn't used to feeling wrong or regret or remorse.

Then Porsche reminds him of everything he's done. He reminds him of the rape and the punishment when Kinn sees the agony in his eyes and Kinn gets angry. Kinn is pissed. Because what right does Porsche have to be upset when Kinn let him go with Tankhun, when he waited for him, when he's trying to protect him from Vegas?

So Kinn does the one thing he thinks he can do to push away that. He rejects the title his father had him gift to Porsche, he rejects the things his father made him do to Porsche, the way his father made him hire this man, the way all of the things he sees as having hurt Porsche coming for him since, let's be clear, Kinn would never have brought Porsche into the mafia or to be his bodyguard.

He takes away the title because his father gave that, just as his father insisted on the punishment that Kinn perceives as having driven a wedge between them that is now being driven deeper by Porsche's like of Vegas.

And Kinn expected Porsche to still be there, to still be beside him, even after the 'demotion'.

Then Porsche was gone. He left. He got his father's permission, the same person who started this whole thing, the same person who brought Porsche into Kinn's life, the same person who made him punish Porsche, to leave Kinn.

And this is beyond the scope of the question but there's so much in that, in how all of this revolves around Kinn's father pushing his way into his life and each time he does it's like a knife to the heart. First forcing a new bodyguard onto him, then forcing him to punish him for Kinn raping him, then sending him away without telling Kinn when Kinn was counting on Porsche still being there after their confrontation...

Kinn demoted Porsche but only because he knew Porsche didn't have a choice but to be there with him. He demoted Porsche in a moment of anger at being reminded of something he regrets and something he almost hates himself for doing and the only response he has to that is anger because Kinn is a mafia leader and he's spent a lifetime in a place where remorse and regret and comfort have no place.

But now he's faced with wanting all of those, feeling all of those, experiencing all of those and he hates it but he can't shake those feelings so he keeps looking for Porsche, looking out for Porsche, but also lashing out at him.

Kinn is in an unfamiliar emotional quandry and he's handling it the only way he knows how... by being in control of every variable he can control. Only Porsche is uncontrollable.

(no book spoilers, no rape apology)

#kinnporsche #thai drama #thaibl #bl drama #bl series #thai series #thai bl #thai bl meta #so much meta #i saw this question while I was walking my dog and my brain didn't shut up #thank you anon #you brought so much joy to me with this

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xcziel · 2 years

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like nobody is talking about how uncomfortable porsche looked in the do you love kinn? scene

like i think kinn is just so happy to have it out there and let people know - he was the one who was like: should we announce it?! and porsche was the one who wanted to keep it private

it really has the look and feel of like the bride getting talked over about the wedding celebration you know? it even looks that way kind of - porsche has the trapped look of someone listening to people planning a huge wedding for 700 people and a sit-down dinner, while he more and more just wants to elope lol

like now the feelings are not *porsche's* thing - or "porsche and kinn"'s thing - it's this fait accompli and he's suddenly almost demoted to just "the boyfriend"

and kinn doesn't notice bc he's just so happy to be able to be openly together with and cared for by someone he trusts and loves

but it's just so obvious that they weren't actually saying "i love you" to *each other*'s faces, they were made to say "i love him" as an announcement, a declaration but not in private between just them

and i think that really bothers porsche, who maybe wanted a bit more privacy and sublety in his first relationship with a man (also probably his first serious relationship EVER? if we go by what he says to yok)

as many have said, it's like they haven't gotten the kinks (*ahem*) worked out yet and have been existing in a kind of bubble that doesn't touch their everyday responsibilities - and this in particular may be one of the reasons porsche wasn't so eager for that to happen so soon

and it's also been posited that it seems like porsche actually kind of wants to stay kinn's bodyguard - he's not built to just sit around and look pretty or dote on someone (as much as he enjoys it sometimes) he's always been a man of action, a provider and protector, and it's clear being sidelined is just not going to work for him in the long run

so i think that *is* going to come to a head (*ahem pt 2*) and possibly with porsche being angry at kinn and yelling about how kinn didn't discuss this stuff with him or even say he loved him to his face, before going to his daddy, and kinn at first just being unable to see where porsche's anger is even coming from

he just looks so small and uncertain there, more like he been accused of something than like he's snnouncing something he feels happy about - and again it's a recall of the aftermath of episode four, where everyone is telling him one thing is happening, but his emotions and internal state don't really agree and he's confused and dismayed but pushing it down

very possibly he may end up asking for - or manufacturing - some distance just like he did then, to be able to get his emotions straight

#kinnporsche

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uriyeonwooyeppeo · 2 years

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God this has got to be absolute hell on Porsche’s self esteem.

Porsche’s ego, his confidence and swagger, is the cornerstone of his personality. It’s the basis on which everything in his life balances on. For a long time, when he worked at the bar, Porsche’s pride was his livelihood, even. Confidence is sexy and sexy sells.

It’s his armor and weapon and crutch all at once, and we just watched it get fucking obliterated.

Like, first off, there are so many layers to the sex scene that ended episode 4. Porsche was raped by a person that quite literally has control over his whole life, and there’s nothing he can do about it. And then Kinn punished him for it. Sure, Kinn was punishing him for “messing up on the job,” but both Kinn and Porsche know that’s bullshit, and it seems a hell of a lot more like Kinn is punishing Porsche for being a victim.

And that’s if Porsche is even capable of seeing himself as a victim! After all, drugged or not, Porsche started it. He enjoyed it too, didn’t he? Besides, it’s not like he and Kinn hadn’t kissed before. He’s a man, and men don’t get sexually assaulted. Porsche has had plenty of casual sex; this shouldn’t be any different, right? (Please read my INTENSE SARCASM.)

No wonder Porsche feels like shit. He genuinely was beginning to believe that Kinn might have good feelings for him, might really trust him. And then Kinn fucks him and dumps him, demotes him, punishes him, treats him with complete disregard, and then has the audacity to get mad at Porsche when he spends time with someone who actually treats him well.

Like what the fuck is Porsche supposed to do? To think?

Did you only want me for sex? Was that my only value to you?

Did my hard work mean nothing? Have I still not proven myself?

Am I not deserving of sympathy? Did I deserve to get drugged and raped?

Am I not good enough?

Kinn keeps saying over and over, Porsche, you are mine, you are mine, and Porsche had to learn the hard way that he isn’t saying it with affection, but rather the petulance of a spoiled child who isn’t getting what he wants. Porsche has no value as a person, only as an object to be used.

If Porsche was feeling powerless during his first few days with the Main Family, this is a thousand times worse. This isn’t having the rug pulled out from under him, this is Porsche’s entire world crumbling from beneath him. He has been robbed of everything he used to use to define himself; he is no longer the beloved older brother or the star bartender. He doesn’t even have any more hope of being Kinn’s favorite bodyguard. He is a failure, and worse, he is replaceable.

And that’s not even counting what’s still to come! Wait until Porsche learns that Vegas was only kind and welcoming to him because he wants to use him to get to Kinn! Even then Porsche is nothing more than an object to be played with! A fucking chess piece!

What makes it so much worse is knowing that now that Porsche is broken, whoever gets to him first will be able to rebuild him in whatever form they want. Like a broken bone that’s healed wrong.

And if you want that bone to heal right, it has to be broken again.

#does this make any fucking sense #i have like #a million more things to say #but they’re all vague floaty half formed incoherencies #so i have to call it here #kinnporsche spoilers #kinnporsche meta #kinnporsche #kinnporsche the series #moon post

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bifca · 2 years

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so i’ve seen people point out that as much as porsche accuses kinn of not trusting him he clearly doesn’t trust kinn but...why would he? (this is not at all a kinn hate post, i’m simply pointing out how things would look from porsche’s perspective)

so obviously eps 1 & 2 they’re still getting to know each other but porsche is working from a really bad impression of kinn

ep 3 is a bit more positive, where porsche is realizing maybe kinn isn’t the worst ever, actually

eps 4 & 5 have the drugged sex, and porsche is trying to process the kidnapping, the drugging, and the sex when kinn sweeps the rug out from under him and punishes and demotes him. yes porsche forgives him, but it still happens. and also an important note: we know it was an attempt at kinn to put distance between them. it’s possible porsche has since figured that out too, more on that in a minute

ep 6 FINALLY SOME COMMUNICATION. kinn opens up to porsche and allows porsche to know him a little better (and then takes a bullet for him)

ep 7 they’re finding their balance now that they’re back in the real world, they haven’t quite found it, and then kinn slaps him and implies he’s a whore. he apologized right away, but it still happened (i’m not implying kinn shouldn’t be forgiven, but i will elaborate in a minute)

ep 8 my beloved, the sex all over the mansion, the date, the conversations where kinn opens up a little more

eps 9 & 10 ooh boy. now here’s where i elaborate

their relationship has so far been defined by a step or two forward and then one or 20 back. when i say it still happened, it’s not that porsche didn’t or shouldn’t have forgiven him. he did forgive him, but he still remembers it happened. for every opportunity he gets to know kinn and be close to him, it’s followed by kinn lashing out. now, kinn can’t get over his trauma immediately, obviously, but the end result is still that porsche is likely put in a position where he has to anticipate the next step back. given that kinn had plenty of opportunity to fill him in on the plan and what he knew and didn’t, porsche could only fall back on his previous experience with kinn, which is that he’s smart, he’s calculating, he’s suspicious, and he’s recently opened up to porsche to again. it just so happened that this time kinn didn’t feel defensive enough to lash out as he settles more into his love for porsche, but since neither are great at communicating, porsche wouldn’t know that

#kinnporsche #anyway sorry for the rambling #i swear this isn't 'kinn did everything wrong'#this is just how i think it looks from porsche's pov

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concernedlily · 2 years

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cousins WIP 9

pt 1

pt 2

pt 3

pt 4

pt 5

pt 6

(note: now posted in slightly revised form up to the end of the tumblr pt 6 on AO3)

pt 7

pt 8

Porsche has been putting off going to see Pete. They’ve exchanged some awkward text messages, but Pete barely leaves the hospital room where Vegas is drifting in and out of consciousness. Arm had mentioned another surgery a couple of days ago, trying to drain another infection, and Porsche hasn’t been up to dealing with how Pete might be feeling about that. He wants to support his friend but he still hasn’t totally got around to reconciling himself with Pete leaving the main family to be with Vegas; and another, worse, part of himself is even resentful that even if Vegas is still dangerously injured Pete and Vegas get to be together. Vegas gets to be with the person he wants, and Porsche and Kinn are alone doing the soul-killing work Vegas doesn’t have to worry about anymore.

The main sign that Vegas is still on a long road to recovery is that the room next to his on the private medical wing has been cleared out of hospital equipment and made into a little studio for Pete. It’s even smaller than the two rooms he’d shared with Porsche, but it’s his alone. The fixtures and fittings are a confused mix of brought up from staff quarters and brand-new main-family luxury, a signal that his circumstances have changed to something more than staff and yet with Vegas not properly in working order something still less than a confirmed and acknowledged life partner.

Pete welcomes Porsche into it with the carelessness of someone who hasn’t noticed anything either way, clearly with most of his attention stuck next door. “Khun Porsche,” Pete says, and he sounds like himself but there’s an archness to it; Porsche can’t tell whether it’s new, or whether it was always there and he’d just never recognised it for what it is, Pete carefully hiding whatever part of himself it is that’s capable of loving Vegas behind an affable expression and a go-along attitude.

“Come on,” Porsche says anyway, and drops into a chair from the bodyguard canteen. Pete is looking haggard and Porsche pulls his cigarettes out, takes one for himself and tosses the pack at Pete across the table. Both of them light up with subtly trembling hands. Neither of them mention it.

“How is he?” Porsche says, jerking his head next door although it’s obvious who he must be talking about, not to mention he’s not sure that Pete could answer the same question about anybody else up to and including his own self.

“The latest infection is stable,” Pete says, and then rattles off a load of barely comprehensible information about antibiotics and sutures and test results in the matter-of-fact way Porsche remembers from nursing Chay through a million childhood illnesses, when their medical status is the only thing that matters and it’s hard to talk to anyone who doesn’t have the same assumed level of interest and knowledge about the crucial details of their health.

“Is he awake much?” Porsche says when Pete finally takes a breath.

“Some,” Pete says hesitantly. “He’s - quiet.”

“Lucky him,” Porsche says. He takes a long drag of his cigarette and blows the smoke upwards. Neither of them should be smoking, technically, but even in the domain of the hospital wing Theerapanyakul employees won’t tell off the head of the minor family and the lover of a cousin, even a demoted and disgraced one.

“He almost died,” Pete says defensively, but there’s a fascinating flash of anger in the way he looks at Porsche, quickly smothered. “He’s almost died… fuck. I don’t know how many times now.”

Porsche can’t tell whether Pete is mad Porsche wasn’t there for him through any of that, or glad of it. Vegas had basically had a miracle to survive the initial shooting, Porsche knows that much. It’s hard to shake the feeling he’d shared with Kinn, that it would’ve been easier on Porsche if he hadn’t.

“Well, he hasn’t,” Porsche snaps. Pete’s open concern, quitting his job, acting in love with someone who’d done the things to him Porsche saw on Pete’s body in that bathroom - Porsche doesn’t get it.

“He almost killed himself,” Pete shoots back, almost yelling, and Porsche draws back instinctively, readying himself to spring out of his chair and fight, before he catches the reaction and forces himself to relax. Pete is so often calm and affable, it’s always a surprise when he unleashes the part of him that had got him to being a senior bodyguard, the part Porsche had had to look away from as he calmly, affably kicked the shit out of Mes.

“Are you trying to make me feel sorry for him?” he says quietly. “They came after Chay, Pete. I told Vegas where I’d put my brother so he’d be safe, and he sent men to kidnap him.”

Pete softens abruptly, then grimaces, but his eyes are still clear when he looks at Porsche. Like he’d have expected nothing else from Vegas. Like, maybe, as Kinn thought, Porsche is the idiot for not having expected what Vegas would do with that information. Like Pete would have expected it, even though he loves him.

“I assumed you were -” Pete waves at him, his cigarette sketching out a smoke figure in the air, “Like this about Kuhn Kinn. Although I heard you broke up.”

Porsche lights another cigarette and wishes he had a fucking drink. “Who did you think she was, the woman upstairs?”

Pete looks surprised, visibly searching his memory like he’d barely even noticed her. He guesses, “Kuhn Korn’s mistress?”

“Fuck no,” Porsche splutters, and then he’s hit by the unwelcome thought that this could have been even fucking worse. He wouldn’t even have put it past Korn to have hidden that he and Kinn were brothers. “She’s my mother. She’s Korn’s sister. I’m Kinn’s cousin. Vegas’ too. His papa had a picture of her in his office.”

He hasn’t thought of Vegas as his cousin before, or Macau. It’s an odd glimpse into how Kinn must be feeling about Porsche, to have been so content to carry on; no feeling of family connection, no visceral response to being aware of the blood that gives them one kind of relationship and precludes another.

Pete really looks at him for the first time, his full attention on Porsche and not half stuck in the adjoining room. “Your mum? Aren’t your parents dead?”

“I thought so,” Porsche says heavily. “My dad, yeah. But Korn took my mum and kept her here for years.”

“So that’s why they gave you the minor family,” Pete says. “Fuck.”

“Yeah,” Porsche says. He feels jittery, tries to find the stillness in himself that comes harder every day. “Does Vegas know?”

“I don’t know. I haven’t told him.”

“Have any of the main family been to see him?” Porsche asks.

“Kuhn Korn,” Pete says. He’d pledged his ongoing love and loyalty to the main family, but there’s a tinge of disgust in his voice, and when Porsche looks at him he can see the studied artificiality of Pete’s familiar neutral expression for the first time. Vegas does probably know, then, if one conversation between he and Korn is making Pete look like this.

Porsche sighs. “You’re going to have to take him away, you know. I won’t have him. Unless you want Korn to get whatever it is he wants from him.”

“We’ve got nowhere else to go,” Pete says, quiet but desperate, and Porsche closes his eyes and looks away from him. “Nobody really gets out. If you don’t know how many enemies the minor family makes compared to the main family, you will soon. Vegas and Macau won’t last a week out there without protection.”

Porsche knows it’s true. He grits his teeth and says, “How close is he to discharge?”

“Ages,” Pete says fervently. He still has to sleep after walking to the bathroom. When he is allowed to walk to the bathroom.”

“Then he’s got time to come up with a third option,” Porsche says.

Or Porsche has time to be pushed into taking him, by Korn or Kinn on Korn’s orders, no matter how much he hates it, or Pete. Porsche knows himself well enough to know that if they make it about Macau, he’ll probably fold. He won’t be able to leave Vegas’ little brother in danger as easily as Vegas put his.

“He can help you,” Pete insists and Porsche looks at him flatly and Pete looks away from him, lights another cigarette with economical motions. “I can stop him trying to hurt you.”

That surprises a laugh out of Porsche, hollow and humourless. “Can you?” Pete might want to think so, and Vegas might even believe it with how desperate he’d been to find a way to get to Pete, but the bruises and whipmarks on Pete’s body didn’t look like Pete could stop him. Vegas can’t even stop himself: he’d told Porsche he wasn’t going to let anybody do anything to Pete, but Porsche knows Pete had been on Kinn before Porsche showed up, right where Vegas and his men had attacked hardest.

Pete looks flinty when he looks back at Porsche, taking a couple of quick, angry drags. “You think you didn’t change Kuhn Kinn?”

“Okay, fine,” Porsche says. “Who’s going to stop you? Kinn paid off Prawat’s parents.”

Pete flinches. “I didn’t mean to. He shot Vegas, it happened so fast… I just reacted.”

“Vegas attacked the main family and killed dozens of our men,” Porsche says. “I’m trying to establish myself. How does it look to my people if I can forgive their deaths so easily?”

It’s uncomfortably close to the kind of thing people said to him when Kinn was unkind to him, punished him; to what he knows Korn would say to Kinn. Never being able to just think of one person, always having to put the work of making and maintaining trust first. Porsche has never tried to make people loyal to him; he knows he isn’t good at it.

“They know the risk when they take the job,” Pete says, but he looks miserable.

“I didn’t. I was desperate.”

Pete raises his chin. “And look at you now.”

Porsche shakes his head. “No heroes, no villains?”

“You forgave him Tawan and Big when you wanted his help again,” Pete snaps. “And - you paid him me, to get it, didn’t you? You took me to the bar that night so he could see me.”

Porsche breathes out, slow and measured. He’s wrinkling his tailored trousers over his thighs and he makes himself let go the death grip he’s taken on the linen. He says, “Yes.”

Pete ashes his cigarette and slumps back in his chair. “No heroes. No villains.”

#kinnporsche #kinnporsche fic #my fic #like that through all eternity #it's baaaack #this scene has been HARD #and may undergo major revision before AO3 posting #my views on Vegas and writing Vegas are uhhh complex and there may be a little too much Lily and not enough Porsche in the perspective here #(I do genuinely think though that if Porsche finds out Vegas sent men to take Chay he would not forgive that #the way he does/will offences against himself Pete and Kinn #I will die on that hill)

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zhaozi · 2 years

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analysis of vegaspete and kinnporsche - part 2 (the kinnporsche bit)

i’m going to add the same intro just in case you haven’t read the other post!

I'm going to jump on Juul's post about the discrepancies in trust and honesty between kinn and porsche's relationship in comparison to vegas and pete's relationship; but first I just want to make a disclosure because I always get asks about it when I post even a vaguely negative statement about kinn. I hate him as a character. He is little more than a spoiled brat who has never been told no and that's probably why he kidnapped someone to be a bodyguard instead of playing nicely with the ones he had at home.

The intent of this post isn't to convince you that vegas and pete are the relationship we should be aiming for, just that kinn and porsche are also definitely not. This is a show about the mafia, there was always going to be morality that ranged from black to grey but that doesn't mean you should accept less than you're worth in a relationship.A bit of background;I have worked in a professional kink club, I have experience with criminal families, and i've also dated a man who didn't like to be told no.

instead of going into a deep retrospective for kinn & porsche, i'm just going to list some of the negatives i saw. i'm going to ignore things that korn manufactured so all of this lies solely of the couple;

kinn knew porsche saw yok as a mother figure in his life and that's why he went to her bar specifically to pressure porsche instead of school, or his house where he'd have less say.

tried to corner him on a boat so he had no way of escaping. does it look like porsche gave a fuck? no. splash splash motherfucker

reads off his entire life to him as a form of intimidation. don't you think it's sexy when your future employer and boyfriend does an in depth background check about your deceased parents and street fighting. no wonder they had sex instead of talking there was nothing to fucking talk about.

keeps himself handcuffed to porsche to 'get to know him'. how about don't piss him off and maybe he'd talk to you.

doesn't trust porsche as far as he can throw him. doesn't trust porsche to go alone to the minor family compound, doesn't trust porsche enough to tell him about tawan. doesn't trust porsche to go home for a week.

speaking off, porsche asked for space to figure out his life, so kinn turns up like an obsessive ex?

got chay kidnapped, kim hurt, and big killed because he didn't want to share information with his head bodyguard. nice.

still trusted tawan enough to imprison porsche even though he claimed he knew tawan had nothing?

forced porsche to apologise to him? for??? talking to vegas?

i have a 3 year old, and honestly it's giving eau-de-you can't play with my toys

RAPED PORSCHE. he raped him. he didn't have sex with porsche while porsche was willing. porsche couldn't have consented to anything. that's rape. let's not beat around the bush.

then punished porsche for being raped by kinn or getting himself drugged and then forced into sex.

demoted him, which he knew would upsets porsche, for doing his job.got jealous of porsche working with vegas when he sent porsche to work for vegas?

supported his dad when porsche found out about his mum. kinn found out in that moment that his dad had lied to porsche for years about his mum, and his 'uncle', and still told porsche to calm down bc he was here for him. okay buddy.

gropes porsche in the middle of a gun fight while he's surrounded by dead colleagues.

idk about you guys but i like my fiance to ask permission before grabbing my crotch in front of people i worked with, dead or alive. maybe im just a prude or smth though

talks bad about him to his dead parents. i shouldn't have to explain why this is a negative point for kinn.

porsche doesnt want to cuddle in front of time and tay so what does kinn do? hold him in a death grip

'don't touch me' kinn proceeds to keep trying to touch him

beckons porsche like a dog in the bar. he seems to be into it the second time with the weird bread shit so im not against that moment of it against him.

uses porsches fear of ghosts against him in the side story.

even though they slept together kinn tells porsche he views all of his bodyguards as the same. thats some prime time emotional manipulation my guys.

'i promise you ill find every answer' he didn't and porsche didn't trust him to help because porsche knows that kinn is a puppet.

calls porsche a whore bc a drink spilt on him and vegas helped take his shirt off and kinn didnt ask for context before saying anything

EITHER PORSCHES BOYFRIEND OR BEST FRIEND KILLED HIS 'UNCLE' WHEN HE STILL THOUGHT IT WAS HIS UNCLE. why? bc he was with vegas? bc he left the house? your best guess is as good as mine

porsche passed out in a sauna and you're just going to leave him there? while he has a medical emergency. okay?

cant even pretend to talk to porsche nicely after pete explains that its the way to get close to porsche

oh and porsche said his name was jom at the beginning.

#morgan talks #i will be awaiting the criticism i will most likely get #but at least its all out now

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