actually the pre-series Winchester family dynamics need more tangles of covert vertical incest. yeah sure Sammy is all oedipal about his brothermom and Dean is all elektral about his dadhusband but John's no quitter and it's not like he's going to do a half-assed job parentifying his eldest. if Dean is a Mary stand-in then let's drag that out to its logical conclusion: John got married on the unspoken straight-dude assumption that his wife would mother him, and it never even occurs to Dean that when dad gets all petulant and needy at him it's because he's the last remaining outlet for John's mommy issues

dean making sam read between the lines and sam no-homoing his way out of the situation, a two-part opera

part 1, i want you for myself

part 2, i worship you

snuff

Link: AO3

Pairing: John Winchester/Dean Winchester, Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester; Rating: Explicit

Summary: There's nothing good on TV, and Sam's contemplating killing his father again.

John and Dean could never get drunk together during Stanford era bcoz they knew they'd either kill each other (with hands with guns with broken glass from broken bottles. Whatevers closest) or angst fuck (on a dirty motel room floor next to the bed bcoz it needs to be rough it's needs to bruise) with Sammy gone. So they don't drink. Not together. They don't give themselves the excuse.

RIP freud you would have loved supernatural

The winchesters being weird about each other. and other revealing things. a lazily edited video by me<3

azazel supports full house of wincest confirmed

anyway i’ve had a brain worm for the last few days. omegaverse bible story parallel where sam and dean fuck john while he’s sleeping in order to get pregnant á la lot and his daughters

Time Goes By While I Stand Still

Dean/John|Sam/Dean|1623 Words|Rated M|Read on AO3

Dean's older now than John ever got to be, and he still doesn't know who he is without his father.

Sometimes I'm like "am I reading too into the subtext? Am I seeing incest horror implications where none actually are?" When I think about John and Dean in Devil's Trap, or the way the shifter approached and talked to Sam in Skin, or Playthings, or Henriksen's comments, or (or, or, or).

And then I remember Bela's canon backstory.

And then I remember that canon had Mary kiss her possessed father, had it show us how isolating her life was and how controlling her father was, including over her relationship.

And a few episodes later canon had Samhain possess the body of one of the witch siblings who raised him and the first thing he did was kiss the vessel's sister, all while she's reciprocating this and seemingly delighted.

And a few episodes after that, we got a soon-to-be-dead one off side character introduce a sex worker as his sister for absolutely zero reason, followed shortly by whatever the hell this was

And yeah, no, a lot of it was definitely on purpose. Zachariah even told us flat out, these boys are psychotically irrationally erotically.

for the lovely @lovetransaction

Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Supernatural (TV 2005) Rating: Explicit Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: John Winchester/Mary Winchester Additional Tags: Episode: s14e13 Lebanon (Supernatural), Pegging, mentioned John/Dean, mentioned Dean/Mary, mentioned Sam/Mary, mentioned Samuel/Mary, mentioned Dean/Sam Summary:

Mary hadn’t hung on to many traditions or habits of the Campbell family, not after she married John. Except this one thing, as cruel as it is effective: you fuck up, you get fucked, simple as that.

Someone should write some SPN horror fan fic about Samuel Campbell having an incestuous relationship with Mary.

I know if there's a fan fic you wanna read, the best thing to do is write it yourself, but honestly, I don’t know how I'd go about this one myself.

tell me about a time when john almost *wanted* to get caught doing something with one of his kids

Omgggg so we briefly discussed this in discord BUT I think this has to be a johndeanna situation because like. Homophobic or not, it’s the 90s and there’s no way John is gonna want to get caught with his SON.

His daughter, though… well. There’s a nasty part of him that wants to show off how he bagged this gorgeous woman. Like, he’s well-aware Deanna is attractive, sees the way guys look at her, and I do think there’s a nagging, possessive part of him.

I’ve talked at length about why I don’t really see samjohn happening but the same reasoning would go if I did. Can’t see it going down with his son but Samantha….. an old man like him with a statuesque younger beauty…

And all in all it DOES run kind of a thrill to do it semi-publicly. Always the “what if” running through their minds

the world was so easily won

Pairing: Sam Winchester/Dean Winchester ; John Winchester/Dean Winchester

Rating: Explicit; Word Count: 3.1k

Summary: The bites are about five days old now. They’re not healing well, skin-split punctures and raised pinks and purples. Any forming scabs have chafed raw all over again under Dean’s clothes. And Sam’s running his fingers over the worst ones, almost gentle, like a doctor examining an open wound. There’s nothing at all gentle about Sam’s rage-tight mouth though. Nor his mutter of, “I’ll fucking kill him.”

AO3 Link

john and sam fighting for dominance using dean's body as a battlefield

Hi Maven!! Same q to everyone this week: what are your top 3 wincest episodes, and why?

ok im gonna cheat and do this in 2 ways hehe

a) top 3 sam/dean episodes

3. A Very Supernatural Christmas: has the samulet (their engagement ring, obviously!), you can palpably feel the isolation, the neglect, it's very two-children-in-a-motel-esque. and of course, the final scene, where i think, if there was any point in the series aside from the barn scene in which they would have said "i love you," it would have been there. the deep long stare, the watery eyes, the fact that they both know dean will be gone within the year, and then... "do you feel like watching the game?" ahhhhhhh drives me nuts

2. Swan Song: their love literally!!!!! saves the world, i mean come on. it has the whole wincest montage that you could literally set a richard siken poem to, or a taylor swift song to (look i know those are vastly different things but. bear with me), and it would just feel right. dean finally lets sam do things on his own. he lives because sam tells him to. sam manages to revoke his possession consent because of how much he's in love with dean, even as his fist is smashing dean's face into a pulp. ok i have to stop or i'm going to start crying in this goddamn airport.

Playthings: obviously. gothic horror episode of all time. picture-perfect family in the outside, secret sibling hidden upstairs. the way sam and dean's codependency is paired with that of the grandmother and her ghostly sister. the face-stroking. the almost kiss. god i swear it always looks like they're gonna kiss. sam writhing on the bed. dean staring at him like that. the subtext was about to bust through the screen, what with the acting and the way the plot and the meta-plot fit together perfectly. catherine tosenberger said it much better than i can, go read her article in TWC about wincest if you haven't!

b) top 3 family-horror-what-the-incestuous-freudian-fuck-is-going-on-here episodes

2. Devil's Trap: azazel uses john's body in a sexual manner against both sam and dean--primarily the latter but sam gets it, too. it's a chilling scene and really cements that this is what spn is about: never being able to escape the family. sam learns partly of azazel's plot, dean gets his daddy issues flayed onto him, and all through the eyes of the father. it's so well done.

3. Skin: imo the most damning thing the shifter says is, "i will be sorry to lose this skin. your brother's got a lot of great qualities. you should appreciate him more than you do." uh...what? the way he ties up sam and plans on torturing him also aligns with the shifter's pattern of turning into the husband and beating up the wife. another HMM moment actually comes from dean himself, when he tells sam that none of his friends will ever understand him and that dean's the only one who can...it's very isolating, kind of abuser tactics, and just. whew. this was episode SIX!!

In the Beginning: come on you knew i was gonna say this. aside from the obvious moments of "mom is a babe" (and remember, dean invokes sam into this moment as well..."sammy, wherever you are..."), samuel!azazel leaning over dean and smelling him, and samuel!azazel kissing mary--passionately returned(?), may i add, the plot itself sets up the winchester family as this enclosed, inbred unit. mary's kiss with her possessed father seal's sam's fate as part of azazel's army. the sexuality she shares with her father makes her son's blood diseased and cursed. the family line is tainted by incest. her kiss is what allows sam and dean to grow up that way, to become so codependent, what allows the moments of avsc, swan song, and playthings to happen! in the beginning. this begins the cycle of selling and saving souls--mary for john, john for dean, dean for sam. it's literally THEE spn episode, perhaps even more than playthings. even though sam's barely in it, his fate hangs over the whole episode, and this is full house of wincest at its finest.

ngl one of the best things john ever did was make sam and dean call him 'sir'. music to my pervert ears <3