A Minor dispute.
Put it behind you. Deal with it.
No, this isn't related to devoted fans and their discourse lol (even if i had to take a jab at them with the title lol)
Ike: I have to ask, Sephiran. What are you after? What’s this all about?
Sephiran: Why do you wish to know? You would achieve nothing by learning my reasons. You would help no one. I lost faith in lesser beings, and desire an end to them. That’s all.
Ike: So why did you save me on that day?
Sephiran: May I ask you a favor, Ike? Tell me how you feel about it now. Can you bear recalling those horrific memories?
Ike: Yes… I’m fine, now. But I suppose at the time I wouldn’t have been able to take it.
Sephiran: All beings endure tragedies for as long as they continue to live. It has always been the case that suffering is unavoidable. And this grim reality plays out over and over, in every country, under every ruler… As long as there are beings who feel, they will feel pain.
Ike: So what? We should all just give in and die? Put it behind you. Deal with it.
Sephiran: Do not make light of this…
Ike: I’m not. Sephiran, I’m extremely grateful that you once helped me through a terrible time. But we have to accept that occasionally we all have to deal with hard times. I’ve had pain, I’ve had suffering, and I have gotten up and moved on. I don’t try to forget what happened that day. I just accept it… And neither that or anything else will ever stop me.
Sephiran: You are a strong man, Ike, son of Gawain. But not everyone is as strong as you…
This scene is unlocked if you've seen Ike's FB.
Of course, Ike here doesn't know the fuck he is talking about, as he later expresses by wondering why Sephiran is suddenly called Lehran (maybe if the game left Miccy/Yune talk to him before the start of the map, instead of letting him do all the convo it would have been different?).
So, in a way, it isn't as callous as Ike telling Lehran to put the genocide of his people "behind him" or to "deal with it", because he doesn't know what Sephiran is talking about.
But in a way, I have the feeling if Claude or Petra told Dedue to "put the massacre of his family" behind him or to "deal with it", Claude or Petra would have received a certain amount of shit, even if, when they would have said those, they wouldn't have known what the fuck Dedue went through.
Anyways, Ike later learns what, or who, Sephiran is, and talks to him. Maybe he will apologise for his callous words, spoken when he didn't realise what he was talking about ?
Ike: Sephiran... I mean, Lehran...
Lehran: I can't apologize enough. I was so terribly mistaken, and now there's nothing I can do to help.
Ike: Don't worry.
Lehran: What?
Ike: Wanting to do something that matters is enough. Sometimes, how you feel is more important than how you act.
Lehran: Ike I... there's no one that I think more highly of...
Ike: No time for compliments. We still have work to do here.
Lehran: Yes... yes we do.
Lehran apologises for having wanted to destroy the world (and drops Altina in a trashcan because Ike is now the person he thinks the most highly of!) - and in the general scale of things, yes, Sephiran has much to apologise for, so he better start pulling his weight and try to make up for having tried to kill everyone.
But the "your people were genocided? No biggie, deal with it!" is completely ignored - or it is, again, another example of Ike talking shit and the game convoluting himself to make sure he never faces any consequences, even if, in this situation, the consequence would just have been an apology, like the one he gave to, iirc, Mordecai and Lethe after calling him subhumans but not realising calling someone "subhuman" was insulting.
Sure, the line he gives after the fight against Sephiran still holds value :
Ike: If death is what you really want, then I’m not going to let it happen on my watch. I don’t care what you’ve gone through. I don’t care how much you’ve suffered. What you’ve done is unforgivable.
It's not because you suffered, or went through the worst humankind can offer, that you can inflict the same on people!
When Lords like Marth, Seliph, Leif, Roy, Eirika, even Elincia try to understand people and what led them to act as they did - without ever giving excuses or wondering if they could walk with their respective antagonists - Ike here refuses to understand, and only condemns.
Is it because Ike isn't a Lord, so he isn't concerned with some general "making sure this situation never happens again"?
But then, he is the one to say those :
“But, even the dumbest creatures will love their family, their friends and… even love others. They will all have things that they can’t afford to lose.”
“We know that we’ve messed up. We’ll do our best to avoid more war and to make peace our highest priority. Ashera, just give us one more chance. All we ask is for one more chance.”
“You were like a mother to all of life– Your children still require a mother like you. When you watch over us, we don’t always do things that make you happy and sometimes we even disappoint you. Still, I think we would like you to continue watching over us. How about it?”
“We all need to work hard to accept each other. As long as we don’t try and run away from our mistakes, then I’m sure we’ll be able to see each other again one day.”
How can you do you "best" to avoid more wars, if you don't even understand why the current one started, or don't care about the reasons that led the fucker who started this current war to, well, start it?
How can we talk about acceptance if we don't "care" about what the others live through?
So, on top of writing a check his ass can't cash - since he will leave Tellius and not be there to "avoid wars" or make sure people "accept each other" after promising the goddesses "we" will exactly do that - Ike's words here are empty.
-> In a nutshell, Ike reveals with those battle quotes and conversations that he is not ruler/leader material - but we knew that since RD's start since we followed Miccy and Elincia - and more importantly isn't the kind of person asking "why" things happen, they just happen but somehow everything will work out when it will happen again - because the why, or the cause, wasn't identified - and I think it's a perfectly fitting answer for the Tellius Saga and the larger Branded "issue" : we will never know why it happens, it just happens.
(can we say the epilogue, with Ashunera returning, is an ultimate "fuck you" to Ike's empty promises at the end of this chapter, since it starts with another war happening in the background?)
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Back to that nonsense of a battle convo, I find it really interesting how Ike is basically thanking Sephiran for having wiped his memory when he was a child, to help him "deal" with the fact he witnessed his father stab his mother, because at that time (when he was a kid), he wouldn't have been able to deal with it.
But then, Ike tells Sephiran to "deal with" the tragedies he witnessed and lived through...
After thanking him for sparing him the "deal with it" step- he now asks Sephiran to take - when he was a child.
WTF?
Ike explains how he is thankful, but he ultimately had to "got up" and "move on" from the pain, and accept it. And that's precisely the point, Ike managed to take on that pain, "get up and move on" thanks to Sephiran's own meddling and help - else, by his own admission, he wouldn't have been able to "take it".
But now, he asks Sephiran to take his pain, without any magic amnesia to help, and deal with it?
And while I hate the idea of trauma olympics, grown-up Ike (even in POR) can now deal with the fact his dad killed his mother thanks to Lehran's magic amnesia - but he tells Lehran to deal with and get over - 1) the genocide of his tribe, 2) assassination of his great (etc) granddaughter because she had his blood, 3) the loss of his powers for a crap reason and the knowledge that laguz are bound to "die" if they mingle too much with beorcs as he personally witnessed it, 4) severe depression after realising he is not a laguz anymore but not even a beorc since beorcs will use pitchforks at him even if they regarded him 10 seconds before as sage, and the rest of Tellius' general fuckery? - without magic amnesia or plot hax?
Reyson was very close to pull something similar in FE9 when he tried to erase people in the Forest using "ancient magic", but abandoned the idea when Leanne was found - if PoR!Ike learnt that, would he have told Reyson to "get over" the heron genocide and Naesala's betrayal?
Of course not, because I'm pretty sure Ike knows, before meeting Reyson and even picking Leanne, what happened in Serenes.
And in RD, when he says those words, he doesn't know (but he later will!) that Sephiran is a heron.
Tl;Dr :
Supreme Leader's "minor dispute" is frowned upon by everyone, even if she might genuinely not know about what Nemesis did that made Rhea so enraged, in a doylist reading, Supreme Leader is a character who ignores a genocide to push her own specist agenda.
Doylist reading of that RD scene is, Ike telling Sephiran to man up and deal/get over the genocide of his people - but unlike Supreme Leader, when he comes to learn the truth of Sephiran's despair, he dgaf.
Thankfully, this scene is only triggered if Sephiran survives, so Ike can later explain his behaviour : he doesn't care what kind of suffering Sephiran endured, since nothing justifies what he was trying to do (kill everyone).
Even if the thing he should care, but doesn't want to, is, for part, a genocide.
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OK finally making a list of all the rr apollo/toa related playlists i have saved instead of just constantly updating that one ask from forever ago. anyways
• human at heart, despite by haterism
• toa songz by T (T doing gods work as usual pray hands emoji)
• god of the sun, and the world's worst mortal ☀ by yaboi
• Reading the Trials of Apollo by Julia Helena
• lester/apollo: a playlist by neeks
• the sun singing with flowers by txny_dragon
• Apollo by Ty Lee (im not sure if this one is about rr apollo or not- lmk if any of yall know)
• apollo by poppy ♦
• Trials of Apollo by edwardianbookwhore
• "call on me, i'll be there for you." by greency
• Apollo • Lester by priapus
• The Trials of Apollo 🌻🎶🎸🏹🌅☀🌞 by Lirael
• A-SIDE (Bro Get a Better Hairstyle Oh My God) by flufflecat (THE apollo playlist. listen to it now its beautiful)
• B-SIDE (Lester? More like less... Idk i got nothin) by flufflecat (HILARIOUS naming choice btw)
• apollo vibes.- by dehlia. (it says collaborative playlist but i wasn't entirely sure about the rest so. yeah)
• a reflection of magnificence; apollo by myra 💫 (CRIMINALLY underrated playlist)
bonus- meg playlists:
• peaches by :) (OBSESSED.)
• a sprout grows at the end of time by haterism (DOUBLE OBSESSED)
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aaron’s zodiac chart
aaron headcanon zodiac chart time <3 it feels weird not to put a big intro paragraph here but i don’t have much to say other than i love aaron. without further ado (character analysis and astrology ramblings under cut)
masterlist to the series
sun- virgo
moon- capricorn
rising- gemini
mercury- leo
venus- virgo
mars- aries
feels a bit derivative to say one of the office bfs is an earth sign but here we are lmao i chose virgo for a few different reasons, but first and foremost i get the slightest bit of leo energy from aaron. not anywhere super major, but definitely in there. and because virgo is next to leo, virgos are statistically more likely to have leo placements and i really wanted him to have a leo mercury. virgo suns are very much known to be perfectionists. they are practical and responsible and also tend to lay low in life. they dont like the spotlight. they’re quick thinkers and usually very bright. out of all the mutable signs (virgo, pisces, gemini, sagittarius), virgo seems like the least mutable to me. thats most likely because theyre an earth sign and the earth sign stereotypes (hard working, responsible, practical, independent) are antithetical to mutable signs. not that mutable signs cant be those things, its just usually they like to sit back and let other people take control of it all. they also tend to be avoidant of things in general, especially serious topics. virgos have a very hard time with others being in control but i would say that they have a tendency to be avoidant of things like their emotions. i think all of these things apply to aaron
i talked a bit about capricorn moons in david’s post. that can be summed up to say that capricorn moons are hard working, find comfort in tradition and stability, and have a hard time expressing (or even feeling) their emotions. having a capricorn moon is a placement in detriment. this is the opposite to having a placement in its domicile. for the moon, cancer is in its domicile. this makes the opposite sign to cancer, capricorn, detriment. ive talked about signs being in their domicile before as being a very positive thing and i dont want people to read this and immediately think that because detriment placements are the opposite, that having those placements is the most terrible awful thing in the world, because its not. it just indicates an area that that person might struggle with. for example, aaron and his emotions. capricorn moons usually really appreciate acts of service (like various massages from a certain smartass), as they tend to overwork themselves.
rising sign was very difficult for me to pick out for aaron, as we dont get to see any first impression of him and we obviously don’t know what he looks like. so i wanted to look at the other kind of information we can get from a rising sign in order to pick something out i was satisfied with. one very important thing that the rising sign does is establish your chart ruler. to put this process in the most simple terms possible, to find your chart ruler look at the ruling planet of your rising sign. then look at that planet in your own chart. (mercury rules gemini, aaron has a leo mercury so that is his chart ruler) the chart ruler is a very influential and important part of a person’s chart and can indicate a lot about them. ill talk more about what having a leo mercury means in the paragraph about it, but i think its an important placement for aaron so i wanted to give him a rising sign that reflected that. mercury-ruled rising signs (gemini and virgo) tend to have elfish or bug-like features (i do mean that in the most neutral/positive way possible).
aaron and his leo mercury!!!! leo mercuries are so funny to me. they tend to be a whole lot of talk, more bark than bite, etc. they tend to have a bit of an ego on them. they are passionate speakers and usually very good at keeping peoples attention. they tend to be stubborn in their thinking. one thing we know about aaron is his fighting in the workplace with smartass. part of THAT is the leo mercury.
virgo venus is a placement in its fall. this is the opposite to an exalted placement (venus in pisces), again, not the worst thing in the world, just an area of difficulty. virgo is very much a sign of logic and analysis, it doesnt do well with the planet of love and relationships. and if aaron was having literal shouting matches with the person he had a little crush on? yeah this guy might be having a little bit of difficulty with love (said lovingly). virgo venuses are very practical in their love and affection. they are selective in their partner, but thats because once they choose someone, they are in it for the long haul. they are probably reserved around others, but very loyal and loving to their partner. i think this is all applicable to aaron
looking at the rest of his chart, aaron needed some more fire to back up his leo mercury. what better than an aries mars? THEE mars sign. aries is ruled by mars, this makes this placement in its domicile. aries mars are not afraid of confrontation. they are very passionate and have a lot of drive. they are straightforward, they know what they want and they will go after it. which i would say is accurate to aaron <3
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It's about time I drop my class ideas for the g.o. AU:
Note. I don't think the class names end in S if you're saying it on a plural way but, whatever:
Iops: Sol, Baiken, Leo, Zako B, Kliff, Slayer and Nagoriyuki (the latter two are iops in a much more vampiric way than usual)
Sadidas: Jam (being surrounded by plants does absolutely NOT help with a flammable restaurant)
Ecaflips: Johnny, Chipp, Zako C
Cras: Bridget
Xelors: Axl, I-No, Bedman and Delilah
Fecas: Potemkin, Answer and Anji
Sacrieurs: A.B.A, Raven
Eniripsas: Faust, Fanny and Leap
Ouginaks: Izuna
Huppermages: Ky, Judgment.. Zappa too perhaps?
Osamodas: May, Giovanna and Testament
EliAtropes: Ramlethal, Happy Chaos
Eliatrope Dragon: Elphelt
A very special eliatrope/dragon: Aria/Justice/Valentine (yes they're the same person in this au. Actually, it's not set in stone but at least Justice would be a super cool dragon for sure)
EliOtropes: Dizzy, Sin
Maskeraider but, not like the canon ones, I think: Jack-O
Minor almost godly spirits which are basically personifications of the Paladir/Necrome thing: Undine and Necro, respectively (come on even his name fits)
Regular unaffiliated humans: Goldlewis, Vernon, Daryl (I might make him a hupper..? but maybe he'd then be too similar to Ky) Crow
Steamer: Haehyun and Zappa (that or a hupper or unaffiliated..)
Steamer adjacent robot or something: Robo-Ky and RK MK II
Sacrimages *: Asuka
Srams: Millia and Venom
Roublards: Zato and Zako A
Shushus: Eddie, Lucifero, Roger, S-KO, Angra, the bad guy that got ahold of Judgment and Paracelsus
Elemental/or some sort of regular dragon: Dr Paradigm (I GUESS)
As for Leopaldon.. I don't know. Maybe the human is an osa, the dog is a milou and the gear is a shushu but.. Dunno. Leopaldon is Leopaldon lmao
Idk for Ariels either.. Maybe a hupper?? Probably I'll go the boring routes or make her (spoiler) canon in this au, as the gg one, or just a high level shushu
Goldlewis' coffin friend: A very minor god who's almost in the verge of disappearing due to people not believing in them. Their only believer? Goldlewis, but he believes they're an unexplained monster (monster as in the kros.moz definition where they just commonly exist) so, they're there but not that powerful..
Janvis or whatever the jellyfish cat is called: Chacha :)
*ofc hybrid classes are a topic of contention but, they are Technically canon yet very rare. Asuka is straight up a Hupper, and probably was one before, but his perspective about pain and his eye thing that remind me of larmes de sang (sacrieur technique) so he became both. Sacrimages is a made-up word, but with Nitura calling hybrid classes a combination of their names (ex: osadida) I thought Sacrimage would fit the bill.
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