I Hope That Ex-Employees Of Spindlehorse Drama Cools Down...
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I want to say that I hope everything goes back to normal, and we wont have to worry about any drama about it for a very long time...
even if I did mention in the post before this one, about wanting to block someone named Erin....but maybe I wont block Erin, at least for now but I just don’t want to see any of that drama, and if it hasn’t been obvious, the one I wanted to try to block is Erin Frost....but I guess I can try to give her a chance, but there is always gonna be two sides to every story.
also no one is perfect, everyone will have their bad side and sometimes there will be those who take our words the wrong way.
plus if it is true about some info on her time working on Spindlehorse, then it would of been for the best that she had left any time when things became bad for her, I mean we all need a break once a while, for both our mental and emotional health.
even if there are some who are part of the team of the shows of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, know that there will be times where there will be some problems that will show up and well I hope they wont run into the drama problems that went on too much.
and yeah there can be some bosses or creators of a show or movie or video game, that might not be taken seriously by their team or not fully being listen to, and at times they have to be tough and act a little less nice when some people on the team aren’t taking the work seriously, I’m not sure if this would be the case of what happens in Spindlehorse Team but I don’t really want to watch those videos that are talking about it.
I only know a little of what I read about the whole post about Erin Frost’s Mental Health from someone else’s post on here, I didn’t fully read the post but maybe I will later if I find it again.
but it’s possible this is like unwanted drama, I have been hurt before too, and had two depressions, and I wouldn’t of got that second depression if the things that was going on didn’t make me feel not so great, like my words being misinterpret, having to worry about the whole ending up with a monster woman as a President, and the only reason I had prayed that she didn’t become President, is because I didn’t want innocent lives to be hurt if a certain info about her turned out to be true, I don’t really fully trust Presidents anymore, and they would have to prove they can be fully trusted.
I had learned that if you had just got better from the first depression maybe a year ago or whatever, it is bad idea to fall into a second one because it might end up becoming worse feeling than the first and it could take a little more longer than just a few months to get better from.
like even if some stuff and some people make you feel a little happy, there is always gonna be that not so great feeling that is like a overwhelming darkness.
and like I had pointed out before about one of the signs I was finally starting to become more better, was how I was laughing when watching Boss Baby.
sometimes it can hurt when it feels like your own view and feelings aren’t really being listen to and misinterpreted, and it’s possible that the ex-employees of Spindlehorse, weren’t seeing the full picture and were perhaps not up for such a project.
I can be sensitive myself, and I do have my gems to help protect me, like Amethyst, Lapis Lazuli and a few other gems...
and I might not fully understand how those who stayed by Vivziepop’s side and even Vivziepop are feeling, but I can only try to hope they will be able to have things become better and this kind of drama doesn’t happen as much or again at all.
maybe we should consider both sides feelings, and try to understand the two sides, but I want to try to keep myself calm and try not to let whats going on right now get me really peeved.
I love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, and I just hope that the drama that is going on will stop soon.
I’m sorry that Erin went through some bad stuff, and well maybe they can try to work on their own project that will be separate from those two shows, and well maybe some meditation will help as well, and well getting some gems to wear to help as well, I am not sure if that would work for everyone.
I don’t want to watch those videos that are talking about the drama, I kind of want to try to avoid it, for all I know anything that will be said in it, will probably trigger me in a bad way.
and I want to keep it at a small way, and not in a big way that I think those videos that talk about some of the drama will do.
it might be for the best that Spindlehorse and Vivziepop, try to be careful who they let into their circle and team in the future, so this kind of drama doesn’t happen again.
plus if someone is having some trouble working in a project either it be a show or movie or video game, they should make sure to speak up right away and take some time away.
I’m not sure if any of the ex-employees even did this, I guess I could try to look it up and see sometime, I don’t think it will be brought up in one of those videos.
even if I know my feelings and thoughts can be misinterpret at times, even when I try to explain something...
like I know when I thought that whole fake news about Scott Cawthon was true, and I did that tribute drawing for him, but I had to edit that tribute drawing a little after it turn out that news about him turned out to be a insensitive prank someone pulled and made it on one of those fake news sites that make it seem that it is real.
it’s good that Steel Wool Studios has taken over FNAF, and I guess as the creator of the series, Scott will do his best to help out if needed and if the team of Steel Wool Studios ask for it.
I will never be okay with the person who started that stupid prank and I guess if I had clicked on the link much sooner, maybe I could of found out it was just some terrible prank much sooner, like maybe on the same day when I found out about that so called “news”....it wasn’t funny, well I don’t think it was funny.
and the drama that is going on is like, throwing too much ice on something hot like fire, the more mist that appears the more it will be hard to see reason right away.
and yeah I get that there are others who are talking about the drama that is going on as well, some are fully on Erin Frost’s side or fully on Vivziepop’s side or somewhere in the middle.
but we can only hope that this drama does cool down soon, at least I hope it does.
and even though I was originally going to block Erin, I think maybe it is the best I don’t for now, and hopefully they will realize that was going on, could of been stop if they had did something sooner when still working on the projects.
a person healing for their mental and emotional health is important, so they can get back into the game refreshed.
but if there are the first signs that you are going through some kind of problems for your mental and emotional well being, and it feels like it is going to get to the point where it is gonna be really bad but only in the first stage of it, it is best not to ignore it and just keep well working on a cartoon or video game or movie, the more it is ignored, the more possibility it will become worse.
I think it’s possible that Vivziepop didn’t mean for any of that bad stuff to happen, but I don’t like the idea of her being scapegoated for all the problems that could of been dealt with the right way.
even if it does turn out she has made some mistakes, but I’m sure she has learned from some of them.
plus if someone has went through some pretty bad emotional stuff and might be suffering through some problems even if they are trying their best to work with others on a big project, it might be best to be very gentle when speaking to them and try to have them understand that if they are going through something right now that makes it difficult for them to work on the project, then they should take some time off.
I don’t want what I am trying to say get misinterpreted, I’m just saying that if the ex-employees did start to have a problem with the work or the environment from the start, then it’s possible they could of left when it had first started.
even if at times a work environment has it’s ups and downs, or when it’s perfectly fine, but if it becomes too much for some employees then they shouldn’t just wait until it gets too much and worse for them.
because by the time that happens, the work environment might get better and less stressful over time, I mean this might be how it is for most teams who work on a show or movie or video game or even a comic book series.
even if the work environment of some studios might seem perfect where everyone gets along 24/7 but that might be so at all or all the time.
disagreements can happen and so can other stuff that can happen, I might not be part of such a thing, and I can only guess...
and we can’t just place the full blame on Vivziepop or those who stuck by her even when times got tough when some problems started to happen.
I don’t know if that drama has cooled down now or if it’s still going, but the ex-employees need to stop it, it’s best for them to stop bringing it up and let everything and person heal properly.
hopefully the current team of both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, can try to move on from that drama and try their best to make sure that it doesn’t repeat.
if there are some employees who end up harassing other employees by some form of sexual harassment, there could be rules for that.
if it is just the verbal kind, then they could get some strikes or be told not to come to work until they learn not to do it again, but if it repeats or cross a line then the pink slip will be needed.
the physical harassment shouldn’t get any chance, if a man or woman ends up touching one of the other employees in the wrong way even when they are being asked to stop it, then they should be asked to leave and not come back to work.
if it’s both verbal and physical, then it would still end up with the said man or woman to lose their job on the team.
if it’s just the verbal, it could just be a warning on their behavior but if it repeats even after they were suspended from work and given a few strikes, then they should not be allowed to come back to work after the first few warnings.
even if some mature scenes in some episodes or movies or books or video games, do have that kind of stuff, but the voice actors would never truly do that physically.
it might help to put up some rules on the wall when it comes to a work environment, like time of breaks to eat lunch and breakfast, as well as a rule about no sexual harassment of your co-workers or visitors.
and a rule to speak up if work is becoming to difficult or if you feel sick and need to head home or if you feel like your mental and emotional health wont work well with what you are doing for the team and need some time off until you feel more better.
when I was little, a boy in the same grade as me kept touching my leg, placing their hand on my leg and I didn’t like it, and I know at times I don’t like to be touched or surprised touched and I don’t know if my Mom or the rest of my family will fully understand that.
I don’t like being outside alone, in a car because most attacks do happen in the car, and yeah a few years ago when we were getting ready to move to the place we live at now, I was alone in the car and I started to feel not so great and ended up bumping my head on the ceiling of the car.
I know now what I had went through, was a panic attack.
another thing that my family might not understand, that there will be heteroromantic’s who are Ace...
one of the reasons I can’t come out being Aceflux to my family, is because they wont accept that is just who I am now, I know that not everyone starts out Ace or Aroace or Aroaceflux, and might become that way later on in their life.
plus I would rather have someone love me for me, and not just be with me for well the whole “snu-snu” thing and they will have to understand that at times I need my space, and I might not want to be touched.
and I want to try to protect my Nonbinary Maidenhood....
not sure if other Nonbinary-Gals will refer their virginity that way, but not all Nonbinary people will be the same, some will be Enby, Enboy or Enbirls.
anyway I hope that everything that is going on between Vivziepop and the team and those who are no longer on the team and are ex-employees, will cool down.
and maybe once things do cool down, and the flames stop being fanned, things will get more better for everyone.
and I don’t want everything I said in this, to be taken the wrong way or misinterpret.
I might edit the last post that came before this one, to say that I had changed my mind about blocking Erin Frost.
I hope I don’t have to bring this up again, or if I have to, it wont be on the same day or for a very long while....
and I hope some can try to understand that I believe that the problems that Erin and the other Ex-Employees were having when working on the team, could of been dealt with much sooner when it first started to show, I might not know the full story.
once again, please do not misinterpret anything in this post.
there are two sides to a story, and even if I really don’t want to watch those videos that talks about the new talk about some old drama, I guess at some point I will have to, but I really don’t want to because it might make me really mad.
and I guess it is possible that the Ex-Employees/team that worked on the shows, didn’t know they could of leave when the problems had first started to happen, but who knows.
the best thing right now is try to not let them fan the flames and that goes for everyone else who hears about it and might either take their side or the team that is still part of the project.
even if it turns out some stuff that they went through are true, but it might not be all as it appears and there could be more to it than what we know.
anyway I’m just gonna hurry up and post this, then edit the post that came before this one, and just check out some fan art...
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Me and a friend of mine were talking about this whole situation yesterday, and scrolling through the vivziepop tag together while on the phone.
We ended up finding a few tweets going on with "if vivzie is an abuser then I support abuse I guess " and that only proves that no matter how much evidence and proof and testimonies they get,fans will still rather ignore the issues with vivziepop.
When we read that my friend literally said out loud to me "no no,you can't choose to stand with the victims only when it's convenient to you"
We scrolled a bit further and some other examples were just as embarrassing,it was disheartening,and all the comments "I feel bad for vivziepop I hope she stays strong and heals from this".
To quote my friend again :
"As long as they keep getting their little demon show,basic workers rights don't matter to them"
And it seems to be true,considering they don't even give it the benefit of the doubt and dismiss it immediately as false crap.
They dont care about Vivziepop, or the mistreated artists either.
They only praise her and coddle her to get things from her, saying "we love you vivzie!" or "thank you viv!" as a way of rubbing her ego whenever she does anything wrong to herself or others.
Meanwhile, if you mention anything about the show's production effecting her mental health they go: "What are you talking about???" or "She choose this, why are you so worried?!" despite the fact that what they are encouraging is clearly harming Viv. While also saying "innocent till proven guilty!" but trusting the words of the more privileged (aka viv's friends.) staff immediately regardless of if they have any evidence on them or not, it's hypocrisy.
They just want more Hazbin and HB content, even if they have to ignore the wellbeing of most of the staff in order to get it in a shorter amount of time, even if they have to ignore most of Vivzepop's wellbeing and only compliment her when it benefits them and its not just a parasocial relationship to have with her fandom, its downright harmful towards Vivziepop's own health. It's disgusting and I really hope that Viv receives genuine help one day, but in the context of the mistreated artists within Spindlehorse:
I do hope that they receive justice one day, even if its in the form of a small apology, at least some acknowledgment towards thier existence or thier work from Vivziepop, something.
These people need to realize that they NEED to start treating this situation as an adult and stop acting as if this is all ok when it's NOT ok. Her overworking herself and others is NOT ok! Vivziepop is overworking herself MUCH more than she needs to and is also putting others in the same position as her. It's self harm, and is also the harm of others by trying to convince them to treat themselves that way as well. Overworking is NOT ok, period!
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