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tvlandofficiall · 7 months

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what do you think anout the theory that spamton saw the real world and not the light world?

i think, whether or not spamton saw our world as well, it's pretty explicit, narratively tight, thematic, AND important that the blinding light spamton saw was indeed the light world!

i do think there are cases wherein darkners are juggling both at once, and i think you could easily apply that to spamton too. when writing, for example, i use the theory that spamton and jevil were initially meant to be player guides like ralsei, who appears aware of both higher realities in the game itself as well as in my interpretation of him.

(for posterity's sake, queen mentions pressing buttons a couple of times too, but that's because of a running gag with the controls of the car and robots she and kris pilot, not because she's overtly meta aware.)

but i think it's important to remember just how the light world slots into spamton's deal, both thematically and mechanically. on the mechanical end, we have the way he saw it at all; the shadow crystals. we get to see how they look from the dark world for ourselves, and this isn't just for show. we're getting to see what spamton saw, too.

to us, it may look ordinary. but to the darkners, that world is a blinding light. the light world is a terrifying place with an incredible power (which i'll touch on in just a moment as well), a place where the darkners are literally objects. seeing their worldstate literalized like that is mindbending – not only are they darkners made to serve a higher reality, they exist as nothing but objects to ordinary people in that reality. and objects aren't granted any autonomy, no matter how autonomous they might imagine themselves to be. they're not just computer (darkner type), they're Literally a computer being used by a person the same way spamton might drive a car or swatch might organize the plates in their cafe. seeing that is not only eldritch, but it's also got an element of realizing just how binding fate is baked in there too. it's seeing the strings of fate in their most distilled state. seeing the click of a mouse that guides swatch to bring the neo body into reality. seeing the searches typed directly onto queen's keys. seeing the bright, clear line that delineates all of it.

i've touched on how spamton parses this (because he's a grindset guy at heart, someone who doesn't necessarily question the system) in some other posts, which you can check out here and here and here.

but this brings us into the thematic element. deltarune uses religious imagery quite often, especially in reference to higher realities, and we can see that and the aforementioned strings of fate coming into play with neo. neo is something i talk about a lot in my swatchton meta because i feel it is crucial to understanding who spamton is as a character.

and the neo body is a vector of god – literally.

(see also; the dialogue of seam discussing the shadow crystal from earlier.)

and this is why spamton describes it the way he does, why he wants it so badly. it's powerful – made by a lightner. (he wants a perfect body he wants a perfect soul, you know the song.) the lightners have the power to determine the fate of the darkners, and so too does neo have an incredible power itself. could it grant spamton the power to determine his own fate?

well, not quite. it's still a part of this world, after all – there's no escaping the strings. no one can choose who they are in this world, and trying to game the system still leaves you smack dab in the middle of it.

there's a common thought that, because of the wall in spamton's shop, spamton must've seen the light of the sun. i think, if he did see both worlds, it's possible! but it seems more likely that either he didn't see the sun at all and was burned by the light that is the light world; the weird layout of the light world wasn't considered while making this choice (because there are so many rooms with impossible windows in the light world, particularly the school); and/or, more likely and most thematically,

he saw a beautiful blue sky more like this one. after all, the library might not have windows, but it does have windows.

#ooc #spamton #deltarune #this is something i've seen come up a bit so i'm glad i can have a chance to give my two cents #spamton is a character i think about a lot so im always glad to talk about him. he's a huge thematic center in this game

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councilblr-voting-rights · 1 year

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enby-ralsei: Ralsei, the one and only! It has been called a weirdo since elementary school and took that probably insult as a compliment ever since! Ve has a literal stuffed animal on ver battle jacket. IRL, Co frequently jokes about being an eldritch creature that has: two bones that fuse into one sporadically, an internal office plant to water, and eclectic knowledge that generally do not matter. Weirdo since 2003, go ahead and vote Ralsei!

#2023 no1 councilblr weirdo #round 4

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starbirdkitsune · 4 days

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Meeting Cattington--- an Eldritchrune fan scene I was given the OK. My creative juices shall now flow.

I was allowed to write. So now I will write. (and sketch stuff bc Lynx's Eldritch Catti/Jockington is so friken fun to draw.)

Meeting Cattington

Tracking a beast was harder than it looked.

From some sketchy information off a Darkner in this new realm, Kris and their friends had been searching the area outside of a settlement for any new lead. Apparently there'd been another Eldritch beast lurking around in the surrounding area. So at Ralsei's urging, they'd decided to go and seek it out, both to recruit a new party member and to prevent a potential attack.

And if Kris had to put up with any more, they'd officially go insane.

The newest addition to the party in particular, Berdly, was proving a real headache. Sure, he was helpful at times, but he seemed to be using this opportunity to rattle off knowledge that only he seemed to have any idea of. They'd been putting up with it since they rescued him from Queen, but they could not take any more of it.

"Ralsei. Please. Is there an arcane command for "shut up?" they asked, grabbing his shoulders and feeling the slight warmth of the flames they knew to be beneath his robe.

"I-- I don't believe there is---" he started to say.

Kris groaned. "Uuugh how do you listen to him!? I am seriously regretting taking him along."

"I can think of better ways to say 'shut up' than your weird little magic commands," Susie quipped from nearby.

"Please don't kill Berdly."

"Don't kill Berdly," the annoying Eldritch bird in question agreed.

"Oh no," Kris whispered under their breath. "We summoned him." Then, louder, "Berdly, can you shut it for a bit? I'm really stressed right now."

"Of course! I will gladly deprive you of my invaluable information for the time being! I apologize for any stress I may have--"

"Hey bird brain, when someone says shut up, they mean do it without any monologuing!" Susie complained.

"Shutting up," he muttered.

Aside from Berdly, there were also environmental considerations to take into account. The entire area was covered in pointy, rocky cliffs. Kris had fallen off at least two already (thank angel for Ralsei's soul revival). It was also cold. Really cold. And there were lots of hostile enemies (as usual). And now they were scouring a cliffed area attempting to track a beast.

Just then, something in the air seemed to... shift. There was no other way to explain it than a shift. And everyone in the party felt the unmistakable sensation of being watched. And one other thing...

"Guys?" Noelle asked. "Am I crazy, or did it suddenly get a lot... darker?"

Indeed, it was darker out. Too sudden, even for the Dark World. So dark, in fact, that all Kris could see in the dark were the glowing eyes and feathers of Susie and Berdly. In this unnatural darkness, they tripped over a rock, falling on their face. Fortunately, they weren't hurt, but it did cause Ralsei to stop and help them up, an apologetic look glowing in the gloom. "Kris! I'm so sorry! I forgot you don't have darkvision." He removed his hat, revealing the green-and-white glowing fire demon. This side of him scared Kris, but this time, they were grateful for the light.

However, a second source of light, too bright and harsh even for Ralsei's flames, cut through the dark. It was bright, and round, and... as it bounced away off the cliff, Kris could make out the unmistakable shape of a ball the kids at Hometown used to play with a lot. If they were remembering correctly, that was called... a soccer ball? Weird.

A second one bounced from nowhere, traveling at a fatal speed. It narrowly missed Kris, and bounced off the cliff again.

"Kris! This has to be the beast!" Ralsei shouted. "Be careful, the terrain and the darkness will make this challenging! But I'm always here if things go wrong!"

With that reassuring thought, they reached out their hand towards where the soccer balls had come from and shouted the command for "stop".

A third ball narrowly skimmed the top of their head, bounced off a rock, and hit Susie in the side. She roared in pain, "Why didn't that work?! Aren't your commands supposed to be a 'no negotiation end all?"

"Maybe it doesn't work because I can't see it?" they called back.

"Whatever it is, stop it! I've already had enough of this thing."

Kris decided to try the direct approach. They called out to the shadows, "Look! We just want to talk! And if it's my soul you're after, forget it!" They jerked a thumb toward Ralsei. "It belongs to him. Not me. And certainly not you! So this is going to take forever unless you---"

A soccer ball hit them square in the chest.

Fortunately, it wasn't as fatal of a speed as they'd judged it to be. Just knocked the wind out of them. What would however be fatal was the rapidly approaching ground: the ball had knocked them off the cliff. They braced themselves to hit the rocks at the bottom and be splatted into a Kris puddle, but they looked up and saw they had a far more painful way to go out in store for them.

The ball, or a second one, had dislodged a chunk of rock from the cliff, that was rapidly falling toward Kris. They sighed. Death was more of a nuisance than anything at this point. Sometimes it was really painful, but other times in their final moments before Ralsei brought them back, they could think something like, Oh! So that's what being stabbed in the gut feels like. Interesting.

So now, they braced themselves for impact as they lived through the novel experience of having their body crushed by a giant rock.

Kris felt the tug of death that was all too familiar, then another tug that was Ralsei pulling them back.

As they got up, a voice rumbled from the shadows, sounding vaguely like a cat purring, but with the subtle reverb of the Eldritch beasts. "Hm. Not bluffing."

A pair of yellow eyes blinked from the darkness, and a second voice spoke. "If we kill it enough we can, get it eventually."

A soccer ball materialized again, hurtling towards them. Kris called the "stop" command in the general direction of the eyes, and to their relief, it worked this time. The ball disintegrated inches from their face.

"You can, speak to us?" said the second voice, with utter disbelief. It was sibilant and smooth, like a snake, but without the hiss on the S you'd expect from one.

"Yes," Kris agreed. They indicated Ralsei again. "He taught me. It's also how he has control of my soul."

"Shame," the cat voice said. The shadows let up, and a catlike silhouette jumped down from its position on a crag. It looked like an outline of a cat drawn by someone who only vaguely remembered what one looked like, except for the tail, which had the yellow eyes on it and was lashing far too expressively to be that of a cat.

When it reached the light, Kris's eyes went wide.

This was the most visually stunning beast so far. One one half of its body, it was a white-furred cat with cosmic purple designs scattering across it, and a perpetually closed eye. On the other, it was a shadowy void, with multiple white, reflective eyes and a sharp-fanged smile. Its tail was a bright green snake with the same galaxy patterns. It had long, lethal-looking claws on five-toed paws, and a swirl that looked like a universe model Kris had seen when they were younger floated above its head. Rings, gold on the void side and silver on the cosmic, glinted in its ears.

"Whoa.." they whispered.

"Yeah it's a shame," the snake tail said. "We could've gotten, a really cool spell from your soul!"

"Cool... spell?" Kris asked, remembering they were talking with the beast.

"Souls are power," the cat explained, bending down so close to Kris that they flinched a little, but it only sniffed, then withdrew. "Yours is strong."

"So you make spells out of souls?" Kris asked. The snake tail nodded. "Well, then, hear my proposition."

The beast settled, laying down to listen to Kris.

"I'm headed to the Light World."

The cat cocked its head, interested. "Why?"

"Retribution," Kris replied, hoping it wouldn't ask them to elaborate. To their relief, it didn't. "If you couldn't get my soul... how does lots of others sound?"

"Lots of others?" the tail asked, interest clearly peaked. "I'm, interested."

"If you accompany me, and do what I ask, then you can get those other souls," Kris continued. "And other spells."

"A bird in, the hand," the tail said doubtfully.

"Would I lie to you?" Kris asked, annoyed (and surprised the beast knew that expression). "When I'm being faced with a deadly Eldritch beast?"

"No," said the cat. "You aren't lying. I can tell. We'll accompany you, human," it continued, rising to its paws and shooting an annoyed glance at its snake tail.

"Kris is fine," they replied.

"Kris, then."

"You are?" they inquired.

"Catti," the cat said. "I'm Jockington," the tail chimed in. "Cattington, combined."

Cattington walked ahead a little. The other beasts looked very confused. As Kris watched Cattington integrate with their other friends, Ralsei suddenly patted Kris on the shoulder, making them jump. "Well done!" he said with a grin. "You recruited another beast, and I'm sure those Darkners will be happy to have them gone!"

Kris said nothing, but nodded. The magic Cattington had was going to be quite valuable.

"Yes, well done!" said Berdly, flying up. He kept rambling, rambling, rambling... until suddenly he abruptly stopped talking. His beak moved, but no sound came out.

Kris looked over. Catti had raised a paw, grinning ear to ear. It was evidently clear she'd made Berdly stop. Kris returned the grin. The magic was going to be quite valuable indeed.

Eldritchrune by @lynxgriffin. This is a fan scene for their AU, hope you like it!

#starbird writing stuff #gift #eldritchrune #cattington #kris #noelle #susie #berdly #i'm sorry if the stop command thing doesn't work like that i just used dramatic effect #and i forgot about noelle :[#also unintentional in stars and time reference #see if you can find it #ah nooo for the cover image i got the wrong side for kris's eye #i'm mad now >:[#also i used the environment from the parasite comics since i assumed those take place not long after meeting cattington

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sweatertheman · 3 months

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oh boy more ralsei thoughts, hope you like those

i see some stuff with ralsei being used for horror sometimes. i kind of get it, because ralsei IS very much unstable, but i do take issues with the execution.

one form of ralsei horror is the idea of him being "yandere." this doesn't work for me. while yes, ralsei is desperate for the love and attention of lightners (kris in particular) he thinks of himself as beneath. he is weak, his life holds no significance outside of serving a higher power, he possesses no free will, stuff like that. the idea of forcing someone to stay with him against their will, and abusing them into loving him, is something he just wouldn't do, let alone could do. while ralsei doesnt enjoy being left alone or mistreated, he's very good at crushing these feelings. all fear is buried, all resentment turned inward, all sadness distracted from. on top of this, even if ralsei lacks a developed sense of right and wrong, ralsei believes that doing harm to a lightner is one of the wrongest things he could do. in a sense, Ralsei is a Puritan. he's not a misogynist, but he believes that he and all his fellow darkners are born into a meaningless and sinful life, and that they can only find meaning and be cleansed by serving their gods. he suppresses all his individuality, and is rude to people he thinks are "bad." for ralsei to act selfishly and maliciously towards his gods would be massively out of character for him, since even thinking about doing that sort of thing would have him hating himself.

another strain of ralsei horror is... i guess eldritch horror? the idea of ralsei as a mindless puppet of a malicious entity, who does horrifying things with a sweet smile on his face, like some sort of siren luring you into a trap or something. this is inaccurate to canon ralsei, but i think it could work, since ralsei would like to be thist. he possesses free will, and is capable of doubt and regret, and he hates that. ralsei's ideal self is perfect and obedient, never doing wrong by whatever higher power he follows (lightners or the prophecy), doesn't think, doesn't doubt, and is always happy. whether or not the power he serves is malicious, ralsei would absolutely choose to become a mindless drone if he could, and even when he possesses free will, he encourages others to pursue this as well, and this is where the horror comes from. one day you might see him and he's not himself anymore, and he might try and make you like that too. even then, even as just himself, there's a demon inside him that wants him to destroy himself and become an empty husk that serves obediently, a demon placed there by trauma, broken ideology, and fantasical narrative. he's effectively been brainwashed, and the horror comes from the idea that one day he might fully succumb to that. it doesn't help that this ideology literally tells him "being obedient to lightners is the only way to be happy."

sorry if these thoughts are disjointed.

as a finshing note, mindless drone ralsei WOULD imprison and manipulate you on orders from a higher power, because he's incapable of deeper connection or internal conflict. if you didnt want to obey the prophecy, he might lock you up until you agree to help, but at the same time he'd be smothering you with love and affection and indoctrinating you into his cult, because you're a lightner. and that's legitimately scary. normal ralsei wouldn't do that, especially not now, since he's growing as a person. he likes and cares about kris and susie beyond them being lightners and delta warriors. he wouldnt want to lock them up, and even if he tried to indoctrinate them, he'd feel guilty and ashamed over it, and he'd care that they were upset with him. mindless drone ralsei wouldn't feel conflicted, because under his rigid programming, he hasn't done anything wrong. he's treating the lightners well, and even if they're upset with him, he's ultimately doing the right thing because the prophecy is the ultimate moral good, and he's just helping them onto the right path.

#deltarune #ralsei #utdr

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lynxgriffin · 10 months

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Eldritchrune - Revival

1 | 2 | 3 Story Setup Eldritchrune Masterpost

After a truly miserable experience, Kris is revived back in Ralsei's castle and can take a bit of a breather. Maybe some forbidden arcane knowledge can solve their problem!

#lynx art #Eldritchrune #deltarune au #kris #ralsei #cw: dehydration mention #the macaroni manual comes in handy!#and Ralsei definitely doing his best to endear the eldritch beasts to them

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aus-from-undertale · 10 months

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Deltarune AUs

What do you want me to do if I also love deltarune huh????

So ignore my username and let's take a look at this list, shall we :P

Delta experiment - It's an Deltarune mixed with Undertale mixed with an ask blog lol. The story is really fun and you should give it a go!

Gaster's great escape - Chara trapped Gaster inside a project of his: Deltarune!

The other puppet -A more mature AU where the characters (especially the secret bosses) got their roles swapped!

Eldritchrune - A concept AU where the darkners (and some lightners) are eldritch monsters!!! Let's gooooo

Underrune - It's a Undertale and Deltarune AU at the same time! All the characters of Undertale got exchanged with characters from Deltarune! So its kinda of a familiar setting but an unfamiliar story :0

Defragmentation - An au where the Addisons try to get back to Spamton`s life when he's at his lowest

The Chara timeline - Asriel comes back from college with his friend Chara, who also got possessed when they were a kid! Guess that's more normal that we thought huh

Alter Heaven- an au where deltarune got a bunch of shifting and swapping around

Kris performs surgery - oh no! Rudy's got a tumor! Guess Kris will have to make a FREAKING DARK WORLD INSIDE OF RUDY AND BEAT. ITS. ASS.

Honeycomb ralsei- it's an outcode who tries to maintain the cycle of life of deltarune aus!

Looking Glasses- ralsei have some secrets uncovered after the end of deltarune

#aus from undertale #NOT #aus from deltarune #hehehe #deltarune #deltarune aus #deltarune au #dt au #lists #uhuu #love lists

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officialralsei · 1 year

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would drawings/paintings of people from our world hurt ralsei?

a/n: yeah im gonna say all depictions of humans would hurt ralsei. we're like gods to him. he has a hard enough time wrapping his head around the idea of individual players having normal things like families and pets, let alone us looking literally like normal humans

#i also just like making some stuff Eldritch Knowledge for darkners. like generally #just cause ralseis resistant to cognitohazards doesn't mean he's fully equipped to like Look At Depictions Of His Gods yknow

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tvlandofficial · 1 year

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so, ralsei. i know what your stance is on "modding", on us exerting our Eldritch Power to defy fate. but would you be okay with it, if it was for tenna's sake? let's say that the fountain opens, things are reshaped, everything is born anew. a new tenna, not entirely unlike the one you know, emerges. we could do something about that.

we could rebuild *this* tenna, piece by piece, pixel by pixel, memory by memory, and put her in the new one's place. we could make a plot point about how she knows you, how you two have history, how you aren't overlooked. if that's what it takes, to bring you two to a happy ending, so be it.

🖤 To bring us to a happy ending...

🖤 ...You know I can't agree to that, right? The world has a destiny set in stone for it. I can't just agree to altering it like that! That's not what I was made to do. But more than that...

🖤 Um, I think... in this world, there will always be sides to a person that nobody knows. Emotions they keep private, memories they don't share, relationships that only work when they're alone with that person... there's too many to count, haha. Not even the person themself knows who they are, sometimes! People are just that complicated.

🖤 You, with your limited perspective... can you really say that you know my Aunt Tenna? You only see a little bit of her. Most of it is only what she's okay with you seeing. The Aunt Tenna I know when the cameras are away, when nobody else is there... she's very similar, haha. But she isn't the same. Nobody but me will ever see her in the way that I do.

🖤 And, um, I haven't actually known her that long! Lots of people have known her longer. The Aunt Tenna who exists when she's with the Weathers, or when she's with the antiques person, or when she was with her ex... those were different sides of her, too. I don't know what those sides are like, but it's okay. I don't have to perceive her the way that other people do, haha.

🖤 ...You understand what I'm trying to say, right? You can't remake her. You'll fail, every time. Anyone would. Memory by memory... what would you know about her memories? What would you know about what's made her the person she is? You'll never recreate that, because you can't know all of it. Whatever you made would only be an imperfect copy. It could be wonderful... but it wouldn't be my Aunt Tenna.

🖤 ...Even in this world that glows so brightly with your hope... there are things you don't have the power to do. You can't truly bring her back once she's gone. You may want to, so badly that it makes you wish you could forget everything...! But you shouldn't waste your time wanting things that you can't have.

🖤 The new Tenna... they'll be wonderful for who they are, exactly the way they are. I'm certain that there will be a lot to like about them...! And if they remind you a little bit of Aunt Tenna, I'll be glad, haha. It means that you'll feel like caring about them. You'll be certain to treat them nicely, won't you...? Haha. Because they'll be part of DELTARUNE no matter how you feel about them.

🖤 I can't ever force you to do things you don't want to do. Um, I wasn't given that power. But, no matter what... we will have the happy ending that was fated to us. It'll involve letting go, but that's okay, isn't it? Everyone has to deal with sad things sometimes. We'll still be fulfilled, in the end.

🖤 Until then... I suppose you'll just have to be happy with the Aunt Tenna you can see here, won't you? Haha.

#BROADCAST #this was a GOOD ask. so good we had to take an entire night to discuss how to answer it JDJDJDJD

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