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madame-helen · 1 year
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alatismeni-theitsa · 1 year
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*big sigh* again they decided to make a Cleopatra documentary by casting a black actress instead of a Greek or at least Mediterranean.
No hate on the actress she just did her job!, it's the producers fault for deciding that they prefer skin colour diversity or ethnicity.
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I am sorry...... are Mediterranean skintones something like a canvas or a "default" color to the USAmerican producers of the movie and the platform itself?? Are we a coloring book or something to them?? We are not a people but an idea or something? The mindset behind this change is disgusting! As a Macedonian Greek I feel so repulsed by how they erase us every fucking time because they refuse to do a one-minute Google search.
Did they COMPLETELY ignore how North Mediterranean people look (Cleopatra's family was North Greek) in order to give some hollow Black "representation?" Cleopatra wasn't even Black! (And we don't consider her Brown either!) If we are at a point where racebending historical figures who were most famously Not Black is widely accepted, we really need to examine how this "historical revision" is spiraling.
Next time you hear USian media "respects culture" and it's "inclusionary" please know that this is a load of bullshit. They are ignorant and entitled still, but with a performative goodness as a cover.
On what grounds do the producers and the actors feel comfortable taking representation away from Mediterraneans? A representation we need, mind you, because as it's APPARENT, people don't know how we look!
Especially USAmericans who produce worldwide media and are responsible for the image of the Greek culture and people around the world. They have no freaking idea. They don't know how to spot us or recognize us! And they still insist on racist stereotypes from the 1920s-1940s because of almost nonexistent Greek representation (and North Greek representation)!
The Tweet is made by an Egyptian btw! And Egyptians do well to speak for the USAmericanization of their culture because they are at the same boat as us Greeks when it comes to how we are perceived worldwide due to USAmerican media.
Also since there's an overlap on how Greeks and Egyptians look, it would be fine if an Egyptian or any other Mediterranean would play her honestly. But for Cleopatra, the first person you consider is a Greek woman! (North Greek woman specifically, if you want to accurately capture the mixes of that area)
The trailer is even worse because there's a Caucasian (for a lack of a better term!) Egyptian guy saying "I imagine her like me, with curly hair" while he doesn't have Black hair. Yet the documentary pretends they somehow fulfilled his wish by casting an actress who has Black hair.
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Also I think we have depictions of Cleopatra so the way you imagine her, even if you are Greek or Egyptian, you need to take this into account as a guideline. "I imagine" is not how you respectfully depict historical figures!
The point is they relied on that comment to decide she must have curly = aka Black hair. Which..... is not the case. If you go around in Curly Hair circles there are different types. And Black people also know that protective styles for their hair won't protect the curly hair of Caucasian people. I knew a few North Greeks who have this type of hair - as this guy - and they are definitely not Black.
Oh, and the actress doesn't have a skin color like this guy, he is much lighter and, according to USians, he is Brown, not Black. (I hate using the terms but whatever) The actress who plays Cleopatra, Adele James, isn't even partly Egyptian or Greek from what I know?
And the fact that the documentary depicts the Ptolemys (North Greeks) and North Egyptians as Black USians (African Americans)?? The people in these lands.... don't look like this! Just GO to these places and see the people living there, SEE their ancient depictions that give us images of people in these lands thousands of years back! The fucking audacity and the outright racism to assume things about how people look just from stereotypes, and then sell that for money!
Then we have this random woman from the US... They use a quote from her "No matter what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was Black". Sure... Sure fam
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How tf is it acceptable to take a shit on the effort of the Greek and Egyptian huge archaeological teams and expertise by saying "ACTUALLY, you guys don't know your own history! You are primitive and you cannot POSSIBLY have the tools or the knowledge to examine how Cleopatra looked!"
Anyways, take some faithful reconstructions of Cleopatra, based on her depictions, where she looks Mediterranean and Greek!
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mechagic · 1 year
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Cleopatra's race matters cause she was a real person
Nani's race matters cause it directly affects her story
YOU KNOW WHO IS NEITHER OF THESE THINGS
A mermaid who somehow has working eardrums despite being underwater
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blacks don't have any history except slaving so please stop claiming others history you idiot 🙄
Cleopatra was black black black. Don't talk back, blackity black!
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You are LAUGHING. Black people are desperate for aspirational figures and instead of digging into history of subsaharan Africa they are trying to claim the last and most cringefail Egyptian dynasty, and you’re LAUGHING.
(Seriously. Jada, I know you have been trough some shit last year and probably need a pick-me-up, but seriously?! Who the fuck wants the Ptolemies?! That’s like when people claim Peter the Great slept with Menshikov; like, as a queer person, my honest answer to that is “we don’t want them”.)
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moonsnightowl · 1 year
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supersherlin · 1 year
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People got so mad at me when i talked about bridgerton putting poc everywhere they never were in the british history and argues that it's a fictional story where we could imagine the world how we wished it was. Okay .
But sweetheart i don't care if you declare war on my account now but this is just total crap that Cleopatra was black!
Seriously ?! BLACK?! bro if you agree with this blackwashing shit then bite me
İ honestly don't even understand why afrocentrism theory is there !
Do you realize that central african countries already had their own civilization?! You don't need to falsely claim other people's history just have some balls and claim your own history from people who stole and destroyed it first pal!
history is not to be tampered and manipulated to give a bunch of losers a sense of fake achievement because they're so much scared to claim their own history and culture from the real colonizers of their lands !
It is a FACT that Cleopatra was NOT black. It is a FACT that she was born in Egypt with Macedonian origins therefore was light skinned to tanned at best . And It is a FACT that ancient Egyptians were NOT black .
All of you may say whatever shit you want but i won't have it
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cucullas · 1 year
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Upon the controversy of netflix Cleopatra’s documentary I cannot believe we are still sleeping on the Kushite dinasty.  I like Cleopatra but Piye did not went all the way from Nubia to conquest a war torn Egypt just to be forgotten. How is there not a documentary about how he conquered the city of Memphis intalling his sister Amenerdis and later daughter Shepenupet as Divine Adoratrice of Amon who ruled in his name. 
The Black pharaos did not invest on rebuilding Egyptian ancient monuments, styled thelmselves as pharaohs a tried to build pyramides for a Greek Ptolomaic to be remember as a Black Pharaoh. (Not to speak about the Queens Kandake of Meroe who ruled Kush on their own at the same time of Cloepatra family).  
25th dinasty I’m so sorry you are so cool 
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Head of Shepenupet II from Alexandria National Museum, Egypt
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Sphinx of  Pharaoh Taharqo
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Portrait of Tantamani in his tomb in El-Kurru
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tentaclemagician · 11 months
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Hot take but this Cleopatra Netflix 'Documentary' is basically that person who 'fixes' art of an original source bc they don't like it and thinks their version is the legit one.
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madame-helen · 1 year
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(This meme isn't again blacks in general. Just the Afrocentrists and woke whites that support the raceswapping narrative).
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alatismeni-theitsa · 1 year
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Why not Netflix make a documentary about Nefertiti or Hatshepsut? These were women pharaohs that were also famous and not mixed from other countries like Cleopatra who was greek.
the bad thing is that people will never fact check the resources, not even look for a more accurate documentary like in BBC or National geographic who at least put more effort in historical accuracy. also Netflix is more popular platform so 😬 here we go again with Hollywood trying to twist Greek history.
For the millionth time Cleopatra was of Greek heritage and ruled Egypt in time period were the Ptolemaic dynasty was ruling. So she can't be included in African history. If they wanted to include african history like I said before.... Nefertiti...
Good addition! I am not sure Nefertiti was Black though? From her busts and her reconsideration of her face she looks Mediterranean ("Caucasian")
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Netflix's Cleopatra documentary was roundly ridiculed. And one of the main forms of ridicule was race-swapping out characters in movie posters.
However, even if many of those doing that aren't actually racist reactionaries who end up muddling the valid critiques many have, most of those mock posters completely miss the major underlying issues of the philosophy that led to that show and casting bring greenlit.
To illustrate said issues, I propose some additional docudrama:
The Cape: Starring Djimon Hounsou as Cecil Rhodes, with the Weeknd guest starring as Leopold II.
Lion City: Starring Ken Watanabe as Stamford Raffles.
Its sequel Cat City: Starring Daniel Dae Kim as James Brooke.
O Magnânimo: Starring Tenoch Huerta as Pedro II.
Three Voyages: Starring Dwayne Johnson as James Cook.
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It actually DOESN'T take a genius to notice when a bunch of history blogs start blowing racist dog whistles and spouting racist bullshit.
They're so mad, as some would say.
Probably best you keep those comments turned off. Wouldn't want anyone holdin' ya'll accountable.
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lickilozl · 11 months
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Cleopatra from netflix is overshadowed by the controversy, but I just wanna say the guy who play Mark Antony was quite hot, would love to see him more in other media
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tonyrossmcmahon · 1 year
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Cleopatra - the fury over her ethnicity
Queen Cleopatra - the new Netflix series - has some in a lather over her ethnicity. The critics need to take a chill pill and calm down.
Nothing divides an online and TV audience more these days than the ethnicity of actors playing certain roles. Netflix now finds itself in hot water over a new drama-documentary series of the life of Cleopatra with black British actress Adele James in the lead role. Much of the fury has emanated from Egypt. But racist trolls have also been busy on social media. So, what exactly is the perceived…
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fidedignus · 11 months
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