#bisexuals are lesbophobic
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LMAOO I LOVE BEING RIGHT!
This is the fate of all bisexuals and I don't feel bad for them in the slightest! You try to warn them about men☕ and they don't listen. This is what they get😂
#bisexuals#don't date bisexuals#lgbt#remove the b in lgbt#the b has to go#bisexuals are lesbophobic#bisexuals are hypocrites
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many lesbian accounts love having "terfs dni trans women are women" in their bios and yet are always posting about how men are pretening to be lesbians and trying to infiltrate the lesbian community to trick real women into dating them and ruining the definition of lesbian
#this post is about ppl complaining about bisexual lesbians amongst other things#'why does everyone think I'm a terf it must be bc I'm a lesbian and they're lesbophobic' NO ITS BC U TALK LIKE A TERF#ur posts are indistinguishable take the fucking 'terfs dni' out of ur bio#lesbian
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Bi girliepops (gender neutral obviously) we need to come up with a term for bisexuals who choose to only date women. Bi lesbian implies lesbians can like men, which is lesbophobic, and febfem is a trans exclusionary term, but I think we can come up with a cute term that can describe us.
#i need a term because just because i am attracted to men doesn't mean i want to date them#most of the time they kill my attraction the moment they open their mouths#bisexuality#bisexual#to be clear this isn't hating on people who use bi lesbian#ive just spoken to a lot of lesbians who have expressed that it is lesbophobic#and it just feels a bit weird because my being bisexual doesn't detract from my love of women or mean i love women less than lesbians do#bi pride#sapphic#sapphic posting#should i tag this as bisexual lesbian?#i don't want to flood the tags with what might be considered hate#but its a fitting tag for this post right?#hnngggg the difficulty of not wanting to insult people#i need to go back to being mean life was easier back then
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bi women whining about lesbians having boundaries is the REASON some lesbians prefer les4les relationships smh
okay, i said i didn't wanna get into this too much, but this ask is kinda pissing me off because it's yet again dismissing us calling out the very real and harmful treatment we face as "whining." i'm going to put effort into this answer, because i haven't seen anyone talking about it outside of twitter and i'd like a post i can fall back on for reference.
ANYWAYS.
what boundaries though, anon? please do specify. because i've heard plenty of reasons for deciding to go les4les float around many times now, and they've never expanded out of the following criteria (and anything related):
Bi Women Bad™
bi women are tainted by men
(potential) attraction to men ruins a relationship where no men are involved
bisexuals cheat (yeah, still, it's a belief)
all bisexuals are polyamorous, dirty, liars, uncommitted, etc.
bisexuals inherently can't be gold stars, which, matters for some clean purity reason i guess??
bi women "don't understand" what it is to live a life solely dedicated to women and other sapphics (+ to exclude men), and/or somehow "couldn't provide" a lesbian what they're looking for in a relationship. this has NEVER been elaborated on, especially the latter idea. and theoretically speaking, lack of experience doesn’t make for worse or lesser support.
if a bisexual identifies as butch or femme, it ruins the unnecessary safety illusion that all butch/femme relationships will be les4les without fail. it's literally just the same TERF rhetoric as the safety illusion that all WLW relationships will be AFAB4AFAB. no, really, unpack that. what makes you feel safer about knowing your partner isn't transfem, or, y'know, bisexual (also one is much more conceptual than the other, which is more materialistic. so like. yeah. what's the point.)
bi women aren't apologetic to lesbians for who they are 24/7 and therefore oppress them
bi women "are homo/lesbophobic" (see: not tolerating biphobia & harassment, using butch/femme, being dykes, using the term "sapphic", using the ⚢ symbol, sharing a history with lesbians without needed permission, daring to ask for a community of solidarity with lesbians, not exclusively dating women in their own personal lifestyle choices, etc.)
the false and generalized assumption that *all* bi women are *actually* homo/lesbophobic (see: forcing lesbians to like men, claiming comphet can't be real because it makes one bisexual instead, erasing canon lesbian characters, derailing lesbian posts, being ignorant towards lesbian issues, and/or otherwise treating lesbians really shitty and not including them where they belong, etc.) ─ including this one because for some reason, it's a one-way street and the reverse is bad-faith, bigoted, and exclusionary.
ETA: bi people don't talk enough about mspec lesbians, apparently (even though they do so pretty much all the time on twitter but ok)
keep in mind that these are all things that i have ACTUALLY SEEN being used as arguments consistently over time with my own eyes, unironically. and yes, they are always about bi women. who else would it be, pan women? other mspec women? who else could be a potential romantic/sexual partner to lesbians? who else is les4les designed to be a protective shield against?
i've never seen a good faith reason that isn't either biphobic, misogynistic, a combination of both, or two-sided in a way that acknowledges bi women can't oppress lesbians, despite how much we try to add that when we agree that lesbians don't oppress bi women either. or even anything that doesn't exclude the fact that, behaviorally, we can do anything that you can too (not regarding inherent attraction).
i guess i'll address bi4bi while i'm at it. i'm not a hypocrite, i think the same thing goes for us. lesbians can't oppress us, lesbians can do whatever another bi sapphic can, yes lesbians can be biphobic but it's not a trait they all share in one big hivemind ─ and it's certainly not enough in numbers to consider a bi separatism movement for radical purity reasons (*cough* lol lmao), etc. i've seen some people say bi4bi is acceptable because mspec hatred within the queer community is so much worse than monos get within their own rightful spaces, which, i see where they're going i guess (because we do face the highest statistics from both sides), but i disagree because in the LB dynamic neither letter has more power over the other in the real world, and certainly not enough to unbalance ourselves into inconsistency like that.
the other thing i want to say is, i don't inherently have a problem with any random les4les or bi4bi relationship picked out of a hat in a lottery. i even headcanon some of my favorite ships as such sometimes. also, factually, some fictional ships and even real relationships are one of those two, or bi4les/les4bi. as i said in the tags you're responding to, anon, these types of relationships aren't inherently flawed, especially if they form by chance and not intentional setup. in fact, those like t4t, aut4aut, ace4ace / aro4aro / aro4ace*¹, blk4blk, disabled4disabled, and the like actually have a systemic and structural reason for setting their preferences. but doing this just to avoid other sapphics? the "safety" reason is absolute bullshit, and just creates a further unnecessary divide among mono and mspec sapphics that really shouldn't be created. we're not a danger to each other, we're both in danger from everyone else ─ namely, the straights™.
hell, i would even say casually looking for a partner who shares your orientation labels is totally valid, even though the preference would have no real basis or weight if it's not in bigotry. and then if you fall in love with someone and they don't meet that expectation, so what!! who cares!! it'd be a really dumb loss of opportunity to say no due to that minor and irrelevant difference despite the fact that you both seemed ready to commit to each other as partners. that, and actively excluding harmless groups of people, making it your life mission at all costs, especially for a few twitter discourse points™, is such a waste and only hurts real people's feelings, yourself included.
you're welcome to send another ask just to mock me or say i'm wasting my time proving your point by whining about “the mean angry oppressive lesbians”, or whatever i dunno. but i just want you to ask yourself what really makes these particular "boundaries" so important to you. what makes you feel threatened? we're not forcing you to go date a bi woman right the fuck now or else you're Biphobic, i'm just asking you why you would (hypothetically, of course) reject a bi woman as a potential partner at the top of your list upon finding out she's not a lesbian. i answered why this matters so much to us, but i actually do want to know, why does this matter so much to you? just wondering.
*¹aros & aces absolutely do not share the same rivalry and discourse among each other like they do with the rest of the queer community. aro4aro people have never made it a point to exclude ace people, but rather alloromantics as a whole, and vice versa. that is why they are not comparable to the sapphic side of _4_ discourse, as generally speaking, unlike aros & aces, lesbians & bisexuals treat each other far too often on a wider scale like enemies rather than sisters in sync (which is what we should be doing instead).
#chase answers#les4les#bi4bi#les4bi#bi4les#t4t#aut4aut#blk4blk#bi tag#biphobia#biphobic lesbians#lesbophobic bisexuals#homophobic bisexuals#les/bi dynamic#les/bi solidarity
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Because it was Valentine's day.
I want to add that it's really bleak for the lesbians who still want to date and have a romantic life.
They have: the plain bisexual wanting to get laid while pretending she wants something meaningful, the lying though her teeth bisexual that says she's "gay" or even appropriates the word lesbian, the unicorn hunter bisexual, the TIF (probably another bisexual) that can't read the word "lesbian" and tries to make a move and make them use "he/him". And let's not forget the always males, be they in a dress or not.
Good luck finding an actual lesbian out there, that's all I can say.
#Lesbians should have a huge questionnaire to sift through bisexual shit#I hate that no lesbian seems to go her entire life without encountering/being with one of the above#They are of abundance and of low value#Plagues on every dating site and every irl encounter#And of course all lesbophobes#That must be a bisexual gene
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Yup its matter of time before some jackass roll up to call ya lesbophobic
While more than likely being blatantly biphobic on top of it. Cause that seems to be the shitty record here.
I'm already seeing people on Shitter start "correcting" people who post bi edits of Poison Ivy, citing that fucking interview quote as proof that main continuity Ivy is a lesbian.
This fucking sucks, man.
#biphobia#bisexual erasure#also seeing people say that calling her bi is lesbophobic#or that she's always been a lesbian and now it's confirmed#just say you hate bisexuals and go
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made some ninjago pride stuff!! feel free to send in requests these are really fun
free to use as headers/profile pictures but like/reblog and credit if you do
#ninjago#not art#pride icons#transgender#lesbian#aroace#bisexual#gay#aromantic#asexual#jay walker#lloyd garmadon#ninjago pixal#pixal#cole brookstone#please be proud of me i had to paint in lloyd and pixal shoulder armour#the only one here that isn’t one of my hcs is pixal btw#THANKU FOR LETTING ME KNOW THE TOOPASTE FLAG IS LESBOPHOBIC 🙏🙏#changed it to an alt one
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On biphobia, I feel there is a heavy level of internalised misogyny - which plays with the gold star lesbian + you ere dirty if you have sex with men and some level of fake purity culture - which comes into play imo + some women having total repulsión for men (which can be socially understandable) and taking it against other women for liking men (we didn't choose to be attracted to men).
Also imo the fear or lived experience by some monosexuals to not be enough or be left by someone bi and it transforms into intense biphobia. As a bi the number of lesbians that have just stopped talking the moment I said bi 😭😭😭😭 I'm sorry I'm
I'm mostly bi for bi tbh due to the above but I'm not the very jealous type either and I trust in commitment.
That makes sense; if you can't take it out on men, take it out on the women 'around' them (but it's somehow less petty than hating something because someone you dislike likes it!).
I don't mean to hurt you feelings, but it's probably good that a 'relationship' like that doesn't go anywhere - if you tried to force it, you'd each end up resenting one another and maybe internalising harmful ideas about your sexuality. That's what happened with my ex, at least... she kept complaining about how she had to 'settle' for a bisexual like me (low self-esteem, hatred of men, belief that all bi women are just one look at a male away from ditching them).
How has bi-for-bi worked out for you?
#i'm on the fence about the word 'monosexual'#i've always used it as a shorthand for 'non-bisexual' but i've heard some people complain that it's homophobic/lesbophobic#because it groups straight people and LG people together (but I haven't personally seen any examples of that)#anon
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#im just so tired#non-lesbians are like ‘‘how dare you define your label in a way that doesn’t include my personal experience!!’’#‘being a lesbian and not wanting to include men in your sexuality is terfy’ log off and go for a swim in lava#and terfs have nothing to do with lesbianism. when are y’all gonna get that through your skulls#the majority of terfs and ‘political lesbians’ were and are straight women#who saw lesbianism as nothing more than a choice a woman made to get away from men. that’s literally lesbophobic and y’all are doing the#same thing#plus the only reason ‘lesbian’ included bi women is because 1) there wasn’t a mainstream word for bisexual yet and 2) people ignored bi ppl#and bisexuality because they thought it was wrong and a mental illness and that people who had partners of different genders were greedy and#evil and corrupting#why tf would you want to go BACK to that#y’all weren’t even alive when lesbian meant wlw stfu
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There's this huge misconception that lesbians who don't want to date half-straights are "insecure". I'm so sick of seeing this lie spread like wild fire cuz it could not be further from the truth!
Please WHAT TF DO WE HAVE TO BE INSECURE ABOUT!?... men!??? You honestly think we're jealous of men!?🤢
If a lesbian doesn't want to date half-straights, that does NOT make her insecure. Stop projecting your hurt feelings because you can't handle being rejected! Lesbians can date whoever tf they want!!! There's nothing "biphobic" about that!
Also, this just further proves that bi privilege is so rampant. Because oppression/discrimination to them is someone not wanting to date them. They literally have no serious issues! Unlike gay people who aren't even allowed to exist in most places.
#lesbian#lesbophobia#stop projecting#bisexuals#bisexuals are lesbophobic#bisexuals can't handle rejection#half straights#lesbians are not obligated to date you#lgbt#controversy#lesbians don't have to date bisexuals#bi privilege#bisexual privilege#bisexual privilege is not a myth
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if zevran, isabela and bull were all women and lesbians, they would be immediately called predatory and gross <3
#the slutty bisexual can be a harmful trope and i hope dadw will introduce new bi characters in a different way#but people are so lesbophobic nowdays that this scenario isn't even far fetched lmao#people literally hate us and call us radfems and terfs for simply existing lol#somehow we're automatically bigoted when we're not attracted to men#anyway yeah sorry#i'm just so tired of it#💬 chatter
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other early buffy bi-coding includes: both her heart & spirit being initially coded as gay/bisexual (the writers weren’t sure which till tara came into the picture, & according to a semi-recent article, of which label pretty much until willow came out) & were intended as such, as the writers always knew one of them was going to come out.
#buffy summers#btvs#this is why i don’t consider the use of willow (a lesbian) to convey elements of buffy’s (a bisexual) sexuality biphobic whereas i sort of#do when that lens is applied to faith. in willow’s case her lesbianism is important like i cannot understate that but the writing choice#itself was influenced by the notion on part of the creators that willow being written as bisexual was the original intent & they changed#their minds because the lesbian representation was important & they felt with the way people thought of bisexuals it would make willowtara#get taken less seriously. so until willow came out she was very much a bi-coded character (STILL A LESBIAN & STILL MEANS HER & OZ WAS COMP#AS SOON AS THAT WAS CONFIRMED)#up until she came out- and it was largely if not entirely that before that point (bar the coming out scene) where she is used in any major#way to convey that aspect of sexuality with buffy- it becomes more general in terms of paralleling relationship struggle after that point#so willow being bi-coded & willow being used as a buffy sexuality figure were near entirely overlapping which negates the view of#bisexuality genuinely being part straight part gay rather than having to exist in dual spaces due to the way sexuality is dichotomized#also shout out to willow’s lesbianism for still retroactively working very well as a narrative way to convey that dual space even before the#choice to definitively make her such was made. her complicated lesbianism does so much for the themes girlie is carrying.#like a lot of people complain about that choice because of the fact we later got confirmation that it was made for reasons which were i#inconsiderate to both bisexuals & lesbians but ultimately willow as a lesbian works better overall than willow as a bisexual on a#storytelling level to me based on how sexuality in particular is ultimately positioned in the story by the end of s7#like when i talk about pre-coming out willow being bi-coded it isn’t to detract from her present lesbianism or say she should be bi- that’s#flat out lesbophobic & i don’t fuck with it- it’s just acknowledging a reality that influenced how she was written prior to coming out 100%#where as with faith that’s not present especially because she is fully meant to represent buffy (a bisexual’s) sexuality rather than any#sort of dual space struggle- she (darkly) mirrors buffy’s rather than playing a role in it#which then (to me) does start to play into the half straight half gay idea when considering again that she represents buffy’s sexuality#specifically the repressed aspect is positioning a bisexual’s repressed sapphic attraction as lesbian rather than… repressed bisexual#*ie positioning#attraction. like especially considering eliza said she thinks faith swing both ways it kinda does make me uncomfy & feels really reductivist#which is part of why i plan to make that post#blah blah people are entitled to their headcanons. in context the headcanon kinda has a biphobia issue when ignoring faiths bi-coding & word#of saint paul confirmation on top of her narrative positioning irt sexuality that’s all i’m saying
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you know what? i’m sick and tired of the “i hate men” trend and bisexual people who say things like “yeah i’m unfortunately bisexual” or “unfortunately i’m attracted to men”. fuck that. first of all you’re pushing the biphobic agenda by making statements like that and second of all men are amazing.
i love men with curly hair. i love men with soft tummies. i love men who wear glasses. i love trans men. i love queer men. i love poc men. i love disabled men. i love fat men. i love skinny men. i love fictional men and i love real men. i love you <333 you’re all so beautiful and handsome and awesome and i’m sorry you have to deal with the shit people say on the internet
#rin’s rambles#i love men#i’m sick and tired of the hate on men#yeah there are shitty men out there#but that does not mean all men should be hated for no reason#bisexual#queer#tiktok bisexuals are the worst with this#shoutout to that one tiktok lesbian who called me lesbophobic for commenting i love men on a biphobic post she made
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different lesbian here and yes you're lesbophobic. you don't ever hear out lesbians or value their opinions. you're straight on the defensive.
i will never listen to lesbians who tell me i can't be butch or say dyke or be anti-separatist or do whatever i do as a bisexual sapphic ─ i have listed countless sourced takes on that over time throughout my running of this blog. i will never value opinions of people who can't come up with a better reason than straight-up superiority complexes and misogyny. this isn't "not listening to lesbians", this is not taking shit from people who want to whine and complain for no valid reason; there's a clear difference. you aren't my authority figure and you can't tell me not to do something that isn't harmful.
i don't care about you or what you have to say. i'm not sorry for defending bi women from your harmful rhetoric. hope this helps and is a little more cut-short & clear than that last post. 💛
#again. consider listening to bisexuals once for a change!#we've listened to your bullshit for decades and now you're just mad that we gained a little self-respect.#like yeah i'm defensive but also i don't owe you shit#yes. yes i will simply put it on you for dismissing the overwhelming evidence i give you and then calling me 'unecessarily' defensive#on the other hand i will gladly call out lesbophobic bisexuals who erase and fetishize#and bully lesbians around and force them to like men and whatever else#but no lesbophobia is when bisexuals use the double venus symbol i guess#you would never do the same for us though please be honest lmao. as proven by this ask#and lastly we aren't here to be your yesmen instead of your allies please shut the fuck up thanks !#my live reaction to this ask: oh sowwy will not do it again 🥺#chase answers#biphobia#bimisogyny#les/bi dynamic#bi tag#d slur
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Question: Why don’t the bisexual women attacking you for the past couple of days stop hypocritically telling lesbians how to feel or think? Or actually listen to us and acknowledge how they all treat gays instead of acting like everything we say is a lie, is exaggerated, or is in “biphobic” bad faith?
How can these women even have healthy relationships with lesbians as friends or romantically if they would only gaslight or not believe them about the massive amounts of lesbophobia from bisexuals and the bi community who vastly outnumber us? It’s always walking on eggshells around them for homosexuals.
in this case i’d agree bc all i said was that i don’t like nor use the term biphobia not bc i don’t think there’s prejudices or struggles bisexuals experience but bc it has come hand in hand with homophobic ideology such as monosexism & monosexual privilege since it was coined & continues to be used in homophobic ways by bisexual orgs & activists & individuals. instead of being at all understanding of why a lesbian would be wary of the term & those who frequently use it, they assume the worst, twist my words, and dogpile me 🥴 as if it’ll change my mind if u make assumptions that i must be cool with calling women cum guzzlers and hate bisexual women and want bisexuals to die bc i’m critical of 1 term that is literally replaceable
#also i find it funny the same ppl who lash out at me for not speaking up Enough against ‘biphobia’#(despite me having done so by their own admission) are also the same ppl who were radio silent when bisexuals on radblr were lesbophobic.#not only that but they’d even defend the lesbophobes like their lives depend on it.
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"the beauty of humans is that we can judge others for having identities that make me, personally, uncomfortable :'(((" get a life. the world doesn't revolve around you. the beauty of humans imo is that we Can have nuanced and contradictory identities and experiences. the beauty is that we Don't always understand each other, and can learn from each other instead. isn't that wonderful? like, are you always this judgemental and boring? doesn't it get lonely being so bitter? I love being bisexual and homosexual. what do you love?
i love knowing and understanding lgbt history <3 i love listening to and respecting lesbians <3 i love knowing that bisexuality means "experiences two types of attraction: same-gender (homo) and different-gender (hetero)" and has nothing to do with gender preference <3 i love knowing that all sexualities inherently include nonbinary and trans people <3 i love that bisexuality is a spectrum and no matter where you fall on that spectrum you're no more or less bisexual than any other bi person <3 i love learning lgbt history from actual sources instead of tumblr comics written by high schoolers <3 enjoy your ignorance though, sounds blissful
#in case you missed it this is in response to a comment i made saying that the term bi lesbian is biphobic and lesbophobic#why is it so hard to grasp that bisexuality and lesbian are whole realized identities that don't need to be improved or changed#and that the term bi lesbian directly feeds into the harmful narrative that lesbians can be attracted to men#and that bisexuality is an outdated and restrictive little box#bisexual#lesbian
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