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rainbowsky · 10 months

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Hi RBS. Have you noticed a trend in c-dramas where the FL is portrayed as clingy, childish, jumpy, needy, desperate for attention etc. I haven't even listed all the adjectives here. So I began watching The Longest Promise and I am predicting the same characteristics. Other examples, to name a few: Bai Feng Jiu in TMOPB, the FL of Love and Redemption, Little Bone in Journey of Flower, Lin Xi in Love and Destiny.

Do directors and producers think how they portray FL is romantic, socially accepted of ladies? Sometimes the good acting of ML is washed down by the portrayal of the FLs. Of course I have seen some FLs being strong and independent minded like in A Dream of Splendour. Liu Yufei did a fantastic job there.

Is it a cultural issue when females are portrayed like that?

Kindly share your thoughts on this.

Hi Kathomi! 😊

This is a topic I feel incredibly underqualified to comment on. I don't know enough about it, and I don't have anywhere near enough experience with C-dramas or with women's issues in China (or with how these characters are received by audiences in China) to be able to have any sort of intelligent response.

However, I asked my sister who has watched dozens and dozens and dozens of C-dramas, and this was her response:

There are several different genres and I don't know enough about the different categories (I am just not a category nerd) but there are definitely distinct genres that span a "coming of age" storyline for the FL. The ones mentioned here are good examples.

In these, the FL is adorable and mischievous and naive at the beginning, and her quest leads her to grow and become formidable in her own way. Bai Fengjiu is actually less this way than say, Orchid in Love Between Fairy and Devil.

The adorable, cute FL is pretty much the equivalent, in my mind, of Manic Pixie Dream Girl (RBS note: she's talking about this). It's really present in every culture's media, as far as I can see. It's just one of many tropes out there.

There are loads of dramas out there with kickass FLs.

Who Rules the World has a strong female lead and she's played by the incomparable Zhao Lusi, and the ML is Yang Yang, so there's one to watch. Also Lu Zhao Yao and Xu Kai in The Legends. Legend of Fei has a strong FL too, of course.

If there's anything that I personally can say about this topic I know nothing about, it is that it is never a good idea to paint with too broad a brush. I think that actually it's always wisest to narrow our statements/assumptions down as much as we can.

For example, instead of saying "It seems like Chinese dramas tend to have these kinds of characters, and it might be reflection of Chinese culture" it is better to say, "It seems like the Chinese dramas that I have seen so far have these kinds of characters. Perhaps I'm watching dramas that have characters that are incompatible with my interests."

I think that it is almost always a good idea to avoid assuming something is cultural that could be explained in some other way. When we make cultural assumptions, that begins to rub elbows with stereotyping or worse.

Not to say that is where you were coming from or that this isn't in fact a cultural trope - like I said, I don't know anything about the particular issue - but it's something that came into my mind when I read your ask.

I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but I've been watching The Youth Memories and the story is outstanding. There are characters with real depth and who face struggles that are realistic, interesting and emotionally compelling. The acting is great, the writing is great, and the women are strong and interesting.

So maybe try watching a different story if you're not into the one you are watching.

#entertainment industry #the longest promise #ask

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theherocomplex · 6 months

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'Tis the night before Nano, so if anyone wants to be buddies, here's my profile link!

This year's project can be best described as "the little love trial interlude with Bai Fengjiu and Dong Hua in Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms, but I'm really hopped up on Coheed and Cambria when I'm writing and also almost everyone is a demon".

#bee does nano

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dreamingsushi · 8 months

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Eternal Love - Overall Review

It took a few years in the making, but there we are and finally I finished my recaps of this series. It was somewhat challenging since I knew all of the major events to happen, yet I had to make sure not to include them in any of my recaps before it actually happened. My fingers might have slipped here and there, but I truly did my best.

Plot

It’s quite the feat to manage summarizing the story of this drama in a few lines without revealing everything. Let’s just say that this about a love story between two immortals, spanning on three different lives. There is a lot of trials, a lot of pain, but also a lot of magic, in any kind of way you can give to this word. Since elaborating on the plot line itself would risk giving away spoilers, which is not the point of this review, I will focus on the characters and their relationship.

We can all agree that Bai Qian/Si Yin/Susu is the main character of this story. She's there from the beginning to the end. I would like to mention the complexity of this character. At times she's quirky, at others she's an elder that no one would dare confront. What I liked about her is that she's very consistent in her character. She's a proud lady and she won't take being insulted, although she's actually a softy deep down inside and can't really hold a grudge for real, it's only to keep face. She's also extremely loyal. I loved that we got to have a strong lady as a main lead. A strong lady that hates to depend even on her partner, even though she relied maybe a little too much on her master, but that's a different story. She made sense, from A to Z. She wasn't perfect, no she had plenty of flaws, but that's what made her even more relatable and actually admirable. Her relationship with Yehua sometimes evolved weirdly, it felt maybe like we could have used a little more development, but at the same time... it wasn't illogical at all.

And I can't talk about Bai Qian without mentioning Yehua, right? Seriously, that character is everything. I loved how we portrayed his struggles, why he strives so much to please everyone and do the right thing, all the time. It was painful, yet blissful to see his growth, seeing him discover love and happiness along the hardships. The guy was obviously a little too powerful, but I liked the openness he had about his feelings towards Bai Qian, how he was set on one thing and wouldn't change his mind. He needs still to learn about communication, because that would have solved many issues and saved a lot of tears on my part, but he's still young. 70 000 something years old, that ain't that old right?

The one part of the storyline that I really didn't like is the one between Donghua and Fengjiu. My problem isn't that their love isn't fated to be fulfilled, but rather that it's pathetic. To me, Fengjiu liking Donghua doesn't make sense. It feels more like a fan who is mistaken between feelings of love and feelings of admiration. I'm also not a fan of people hanging on to others, even though it's not meant to be, it's just annoying. She kept clinging onto him and I just don't appreciate seeing women portrayed that way.

But let's talk about one my favourite pair of characters: Zhe Yan and Bai Zhen. Those two. Seriously. Who wouldn't like them? It's obvious that they are a little bit more than friends, even though it is never openly said in the drama. But they just fight like an old married couple all the time. I think one of my favourite moment is when Zheyan makes a new arm for Yehua, arguing that it would look bad on his wedding day with Bai Qian if he only had one, and that just totally made sense as an explanation to Bai Zhen, who also agrees. It's just lovely how they always think of each other, in every circumstances. Plus, even though most of the time they are rather carefree, they both are really powerful characters and I think without their help, our main characters would never have found each other.

Li Jing is also a character that has shown a lot of growth during the drama. Perhaps under the influence of Bai Qian. He really broke my heart, because he did try his best, even though that wasn't enough.

Now let's mention the two ladies antagonizing Bai Qian: Xuan Nü and Sujin. Whereas Xuan Nü is pitiful, Sujin is despicable. Both ladies got to grow up next to people who were important, but the first one was always remembered of her low status, while the other one felt entitled to everything. They both tried to take away the men from Bai Qian and both failed. And I must say, I really liked Xuan Nü's character. To be more correct I guess, I must say that I liked disliking her. She's ready to do anything to get whatever she wants and gets delusional in the end. Basically, she created her own hell herself, crafted it one piece at a time. Her downfall was slow, painful and led her to lose her mind. That was actually fabulous in way. On the other hand, Sujin character's didn't impress me as much. She's just a spoiled lying brat who's used to get what she wants, on the pretext that her family died for the celestial group. She has always coveted what doesn't belong to her so yeah. They just made her into an ugly character that didn't have much depth. I don't like female characters like that, because I think it puts woman in a bad light.

Over all, the plot was pretty decent. I remember though when I tried to explain it to my sisters, they thought I was crazy for watching something like this haha. I mean, stuff happens in Chinese dramas sometimes, it's okay. It wasn't perfect and some stuff were very frustrating, but it's an overall 8/10 for me.

Acting

Here, I would say I'm biased. I'm a huge Yang Mi's fan. She's just great. So to me, she did an awesome job, with all the little habits the character has. She keeps pushing them forward and it looks natural. I loved the subtle differences between Susu and Bai Qian, coming from her memory loss. Loved also when she was acting as Xuan Nü stealing Bai Qian's face. You can see that she's talented and polyvalent. There's not a time I didn't believe that what happened. was real.

And I can't say one thing wrong about Zhao Youting's acting either. He was beyond expectations, as Moyuan and Yehua. How much his gaze would mean a lot, you could know what he felt just through his eyes. Both Yehua and Moyuan weren't very expressive characters, mostly cold to anyone but Bai Qian (as they should), but it didn't feel like the usual "I'm trying to look like I'm cold so I'm just not acting". There were nuances all along, making it alive instead of zombie like. You could feel all the warmth those two characters had to offer once they started liking someone. Especially as Yehua, who was a character that grew up with so much pressure on him.

I'm not going to spend too much time on the other characters, because otherwise this review is going to be overly long. However, I still have a few actors to praise. Both Sujin and Xuan Nü did an amazing job, especially Xuan Nü towards the end, when she was on her downfall and getting crazier by the day. Those two ladies, albeit having a not so nice personna did a very good job. They made me feel exactly how I should towards them. Pity, hatred, resentment... All of that. The actor for Siming was also hilarious, while very good at the more serious occasions. Loved loved Alan Yu as Bai Zhen, but this guy is just so precious, I always want to pinch his cheeks in general, but even more so in this character. Do I have to mention baby Ali? That child is soooo adorable. Obviously, they were pretty young back then so it wasn't perfect, but it felt so naive and real, I loved it. Even though I am not a fan of Fengjiu, Dilraba Dilmurat did an awesome job. She's a master at pouting while still looking adorable. We could feel all the melancholy of her character from her unfulfilled romance. She did great also looking all feisty for her aunt when she felt she was being bullied.

The only character I wasn't so fond of his acting was... Gao Weiguang as Donghua. Whereas Zhao Youting portrays beautifully a cold character, it didn't make the cut for me in Donghua's case. It felt very awkward for me. Not to say he didn't do a good job, it's just that compared to Zhao Youting, it didn't stand a chance.

Overall, this drama gets a lot of point for the acting. I didn't even mention all of the wonderful characters, because there are just too many to talk about each of them. However I would say a majority did a stellar job. So this gets a 9/10, losing points for some of the side characters that were a little less enticing.

Soundtrack

I think it is no secret that I just looooove Eternal Love's soundtrack. Both the opening and the ending of the drama are on my playlist, I almost never skip it when it comes along and they both figure on my KTV must sing list. It's just beautiful, it pairs well with the drama and the story. What else can I say?

But it's not all about the opening and the ending. Whenever there was music in this drama, I couldn't help but be delighted. It always was most fitting to the actual action right at that moment. It was perfection. Whenever I heard the notes starting to play, I was right into the feels, it set the tone for whatever was happening. They did an awesome job in my opinion.

Overall, this is a 10/10, it was just perfect. I couldn't ask for anything better than that.

Aesthetic and costumes

So this being an older drama, it's going to lose a little bit of points here. Not because it's bad, it's just... old. If I did my review right when it first aired, the score might have been different, but how well.

Let's first talk about costumes. I would say I loved most of them? It wasn't all perfect, but the costumes really fitted each of the characters personality, and very well at that. I especially enjoyed Yehua's costume and his head pieces. Lexu and Sujin were also beautifully dressed all the time. I think they had the most intricate costumes of the drama. Perhaps alongside with Xuan Nü as she was queen of Yi. I wasn't such a fan of Bai Qian's clothes half of the time. I liked her monocolour clothing more than the multicolour ones. Sometimes the colours kind of didn't fit together and it bothered my eyes. I also couldn't help but think that her headpieces must have been very uncomfortable. But one thing I really liked was the consistency of the hairstyles for the Fox tribe people. Their hair were pulled back in a similar manner for all of them, except Fengjiu and Bai Zhen, for some mysterious reason. I also liked the general simplicity of the costumes for most characters. As much as I like beautiful clothing, I enjoyed that instead of focusing on what they were wearing, I would focus more on their facial expressions and their body language.

About the visuals... There were beautiful scenes (especially in Kunlunxu, Qingqiu and the Peach Blossom forest), but the unfortunate thing was that most of it were painting or pictures and we could see quite clearly the cut around the actors. It wasn't very seamless and kind of ruined part of the thing for me. Also, the beasts and creatures looked really cheap. Probably because they weren't as advanced in that field. But if I look back, it wasn't that much better in Till the End of the Moon which is much more recent. So overall, they really didn't do too bad, right?

So overall, this would be a 7/10, but mostly because it didn't age that well. It's pretty impressive for back then and this is actually a pretty good rating in my opinion.

Should you watch this drama?

I 100% recommend to watch Eternal Love. I think it belongs to the classics in terms of drama, even though it's not that old. It has everything a good story needs. The character development is super interesting. The acting is superior. The story is enticing and of course, there are some toxicity as to be expected of something a little older, but it's not overly present compared to other dramas. Actually, toxic traits during the relationship was something to work on. Seriously, this is a solid 9/10, I watched it twice and if I ever have some more time, I would rewatch without hesitation.

List of full recaps

All / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 / 9 / 10 / 11 / 12 / 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 / 17 / 18 / 19 / 20 / 21 / 22 / 23 / 24 / 25 / 26 / 27 / 28 / 29 / 30 / 31 / 32 / 33 / 34 / 35 / 36 / 37 / 38 / 39 / 40 / 41 / 42 / 43 / 44 / 45 / 46 / 47 / 48 / 49 / 50 / 51 / 52 / 53 / 54 / 55 / 56 / 57 / 58

#eternal love #yang mi #zhao youting #dilraba dilmurat #gao weiguang #xuanhuan #xuanhuan drama #costume drama #cdrama #c-drama #chinese drama #drama review #drama recommentation

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gizkasparadise · 2 years

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finished eternal love/ten miles of peach blossoms! albeit with liberal skimming of some subplots. concluding #thoughts

oh god holy hell the way bai qian and ye hua are so wrapped up in each other is 1) very enjoyable as a watcher of a drama, but 2) their son is going to need so much xianxia therapy lmao. mom called, she said she’d rather lay around drunk in a cave with dad’s corpse than say hi

su jin was insufferable and i loved drunk bai qian just storming into her room and taking her eyes out. there’s probably a pantheon out there explicitly for He’s Just Not That Into You vengeance goddesses in xianxia land

LOL at everyone trying to revisionist history ye hua into being a good husband to su su after he died. girl, i saw the episodes

mo yuan was almost too reserved, but mark chao played the longing and repression so well. the way the emotional screw was turned in every time the word “fiance” was said lol i love it

i love that bai qian is not very maternal -- it’s consistent with her character and also highlights just how removed these immortals are from regular human connections

this is my first yang mi drama and im going to definitely check out some of her other ones because she’s got mad charisma

i enjoyed it!! but i dont think i’ll check out the sequel because im in the minority of fengjiu/emperor dong hua doing absolutely nothing for me

#eternal love #ten miles of peach blossoms #cdrama

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aboxthecolourofheartache · 1 year

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tagged by @chubsonthemoon in a “get to know me better” meme! thank you!

Three ships: 99.9% of the time, I prefer a good qpr. The pairings I actually ship in the romantic/“they need to bang” way are few and far between. I joke about it a lot, sure, but shipping’s not that important to the way I like to approach media. And if I ship something, it’s usually firmly in the “you’re the only motherfucker in this club who can handle me” category. So:

- Alec/St. Vier, of Swordspoint

- Bai Fengjiu/Donghua Dijun, of Three Lives Three Worlds: The Pillow Book

- Attolia Irene and Attolis Eugenides, of the Queen’s Thief books

First ship: Again, ships aren’t my priority and especially weren’t when I was at the “firsts” stage as a young ace. It rarely occurred to me. Retrospectively, I know which narrative-supplied pairings were formative in my tastes, though. Vidanric/Meliara from the Crown Duel books? Sure. Let’s go with that.

Last song: Trauma Queen by Durry

Last movie: …..I genuinely cannot remember the last time I watched a movie. Uh. Hm. It might have been The Assassin (2015) sometime this past summer?????

Currently reading: ahahahahah yeah okay here’s the list:

- Baudolino by Umberto Eco

- The White Wolf by Michael Moorcock

- The Hallowed Hunt by Lois McMaster Bujold

- Slewfoot by BROM (which I might not finish not because it isn’t good bc it is, but bc I checked “does the dog die” for a particular trigger and unfortunately yeah it’s in an upcoming chapter)

- Frankenstein by Mary Shelley (reread)

- Le Mort d’Arthur by Sir Thomas Mallory (reread)

- Possession by A.S. Byatt

- Lyrics of the Middle Ages ed. James J. Wilhelm

- Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino (reread)

- The Unreal and the Real, Vol. 2 by Ursula K. Le Guin

- The Ink Dark Moon trans. Jane Hirshfield with Mariko Aralani (reread)

- The Complete Cold Mountain trans. Kazuaki Tanahashi and Peter Levitt

- The Sandman Book of Dreams eds. Neil Gaiman and Ed Kramer (reread)

…and yes this is a completely normal number of books for me to have going at once.

Currently consuming: a fancy chickpea curry from a good local Indian takeaway place

Currently craving: a glass of milk bc this curry is way spicier than anticipated. Also a functional national government, but a girl can’t get everything she wants in life, y’know?

Please consider yourself tagged if you would like to participate! :D

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catandherwips · 1 year

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NO FENGJIU DON'T LEAVE YOUR WEDDING DONGHUA IS COMING BACK HE'S LOVED ONLY YOU THE WHOLE TIME HE'S JUST DEALING WITH THAT CLINGER JIHENG AND HE WOULD CARVE HIS HEART OUT FOR YOU IF YOU ASKED-

#eternal love of dream #three lives three worlds #bai fengjiu #donghua dijun #cdrama

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tavina-writes · 7 months

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What are some good xianxia dramas?

okay, I feel like this is an extensively fraught question depending on what you define as "good."

The show that got me into xianxia dramas as a whole is Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms (though I'm primarily here for Dong Hua/Bai Fengjiu instead of the main couple). In this group we also can never miss mentioning Heavenly Sweetness, Ash Like Frost/Ashes of Love as also being incredibly important to the early xianxia drama boom.

The classical xianxia that I consider the most well done is actually 2019's Love and Destiny which is produced by the same team as the one who did TMOPB. 2020's Eternal Love Like Dream/The Pillow Book also merits a mention on this list for being the sequel to TMOPB and featuring Dong Hua/Bai Fengjiu as the main leads, though I liked their storyline here less than in TMOPB?

And then I kind of took a xianxia drama break so I can't really comment on anything else that came out in 2020/2021, so things like Immortal Samsara, Love and Redemption, etc etc I didn't watch. I also didn't watch this year's The Longest Promise, Divine Destiny, Journey of Chongzi, or tbh a lot of this year's xianxia dramas so I can't judge them either!

I did really enjoy Love Between Fairy and Devil which came out last year, and The Starry Love/Love When The Stars Fall which came out earlier this year. I have my beefs with Till The End of the Moon which is also, I think, the widely watched big tentpole xianxia of this year, but I'll save my comments on that for a completely different post.

If this feels like word salad "throw names of dramas at nonny" I'm sorry! I think the thing about xianxia though is that like, it's big and dramatic and it makes the metaphorical literal and examines who we are as people and self actualization and the meaning of true love, which are pretty highly individualistic. Xianxia, at its core, is iddy! So what works for me might not work for you, and sometimes you find the most devastating gut-wrenching concept about love and identity in like, a show that is objectively not very good? This is also why I feel like opinions about xianxia dramas are so polarizing and decisive, what hits me bang in the id might not hit you the same way, etc etc

So tbh I'm not sure what we'd quantify as like a "good" xianxia drama. I think it's much better to try some out and ask yourself like "hey do I like this?" and if not, drop it! rather than like, persisting just bc someone else said it was good or passing up a drama just bc someone else said it was bad. (I would also apply this to all sorts of other media, but I find this especially true for things that are designed to be iddy, which xianxia very much is.)

#tav watches cdrama #asks and answers

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heymeowmao · 2 years

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10 Characters, 10 Fandoms, 10 Tags

✧ tagged by @wirwerdensiegen~ ^^ *:･ﾟMostly I just follow actors along to their next projects... I have no sense of object permanence and just cycle through one drama after another, so... let’s just go with what comes to mind/recent drama character faves~

Zhang Rishan (Mystic Nine/Tomb of the Sea) Bai Choufei (Heroes/SYXSSYX) Xie Yuchen (Ultimate Note) [< this could have been Hei Yanjing, but I think getting LYN on here twice might be cheating; but is this considered one fandom (DMBJ) or two (Adaptation)...] Zhao Yunlan (Guardian) Shen Yi (Under the Skin) Fang Xianxun (Decreed by Fate) Bai Fengxi (Who Rules the World) Bai Fengjiu (Eternal Love of Dream) Oh Gyeongtae (Bad and Crazy) Nam Seonho (My Country: The New Age)

#i've been tagged #3/10 have 'bai' in the name...#hm....

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namimikan · 2 years

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i mean. i don’t mind people acting behind other people’s backs and not saying anything about it! i don’t!!!

like fengjiu does a ton of stuff behind donghua’s back, acting in secret to protect him, but it also doesn’t feel like when she does it, she is infringing on his agency the same way

but with ye hua being like i’m so sad that the immortal bai qian doesn’t love me bc i love the mortal su su and they’re the same person so what gives; or bai jue being like yes i took the lightning strike punishment instead of shang gu, yes i decided to erase shang gu’s memories of being houchi to spare her that heartbreak

it’s kind of like. you could have talked to them about it though? you could have said SOMETHING?

like okay, granted with fengjiu the difference might be was because fengjiu wasn’t supposed to be there in the first place, and a lot of the ELOD show is just, the fact that fengjiu is right under donghua’s nose and he doesn’t notice (but he adores his lil fox! he adored her in the mortal realm, but again and again, he fails to recognize her as fengjiu), so i’m more partial to that kind of secrecy

but shang gu, i think, tries to make a push for some balance between the two, some can you TALK to me about this!!! and bai jue rarely does; while bai qian is absolutely lost on the passive aggressive mindfield of ye hua constantly going well susu wouldn’t have done this.

i mean, i also don’t think fengjiu is ~secretly sad and suffering~ that all her efforts to protect donghua is being ~unnoticed~ in quite the same way, but that might be the different depictions/treatment of how men and women suffer for their love, in this particular case

and then compare ashes of love, well, i think jin mi IS right to have gotten mad at run yu for healing the unfeeling pill inside of her so she can never fall in love, but i genuinely don’t think that run yu was QUITE the mastermind that she says he is, plotting everything from day ONE, bc... i just don’t. they ended up playing in his favour through chance, but like THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT JIN MI WOULD MURDER XU FENG ON HER WEDDING DAY, THAT’S ON HER.

but then again, jin mi is getting mad at run yu, bc that’s villainous behaviour. that’s not seen as romantic, and it’s not supposed to be. but i wonder if jin mi should have gotten mad at xu feng as well, bc for all his attempts at trying to win jin mi over... theoretically all his attempts should have been ineffective because of the unfeeling pill, so is he respecting her autonomy by trying to persuade her that she should be with him rather than his half-brother? he just wants her to do what he wants rather than she should do what she wants?

like. having sex with jin mi when she’s on the unfeeling pill so she’s incapable of feeling/understanding love and she’s engaged to run yu, is a super sketchy move. i know that xu feng doesn’t know about the unfeeling pill, (i think???) but still. that’s so dodgy.

anyway, i guess i can see why sometimes acting protective while the other person doesn’t know can be seen as romantic, i’m also like. idk. you could say something, tho??? so they know??? otherwise i’m not all inclined to buy into this woe is me suffering in silence gimmick.

#cd blogging #currently: ashes of love #currently: ten miles of peach blossom #currently: eternal love of dream #currently: ancient love poetry

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