Real talk tho that therapist Spider-Man needs to get fired cuz what the hell was that.

That was so insensitive like bro you aren't even funny 💢

i walk into the across the spider verse spider society lobby right as everyone starts trying to kill some teen. i walk past whatever weird chase scene shit is going on. i walk directly into the free gender clinic and talk to the spider physician about starting hrt.

So I’ve watched atsv enough to start noticing the smallest details and here is one that I noticed:

Before Gwen joins the spider society and leaves home she has her teal converse. You can see her wearing them in her normal day to day life but they’re not part of her spiderwoman consume.

(picture for proof 👍)

So either somehow she got those shoes before she left her dimension to ad to her costume later and when Hobie asks later “are those my chucks?” He’s asking to tease her.

Or those really are Hobie’s shoes and she stole them because she had the same pair (which I could say she took them because they reminded her of home and she wanted at least some semblance of that. Maybe to remind her that she’s not just Spiderwoman and that she’s still Gwen even though she can’t be in her dimension with her dad who makes her her.)

But yah idk maybe I’ve just watched this movie so much I’m starting to go a little insane or something who knows.

Also, another thing about this scene, when she goes into her room she starts laying out clothes on her bed and taking them off the hangers like she’s planning outfits. And in the script it notes that she may not stay there tonight. But I’m wondering where she may have gone? Like she just got into a huge argument with her bandmates/friends, and it’s noted that she doesn’t really have any other friends besides Miles so outside of her bandmates she’s probably not close with anyone else (and not even that close with her bandmates). Where would she have gone? I’m pretty sure her mom is dead so not there. And I don’t think she would want to go Aunt May and Uncle Ben’s because she still feels guilty over Peter’s death so I think being around them would make her feel even more guilty and isolated (also I think they’re next door neighbors so she wouldn’t really have to pack to go there).

So idk, where do you guys think she was going?

spinc

(special thanks to my bfgf @bbgatile for drawing the base body for the reference image so i could finally figure out this outfit design)

Sometimes I wonder if Miguel and Noir just assume every version of Vulture they meet is a cannibal like theirs are.

Imagine Peter B. trying to convince them not to kill his Vulture because he's "totally not a cannibal please put the gun down" and Noir is almost inclined to believe it meanwhile Miguel is already trying to find the highest building in the city to throw an unconscious Vulture from.

Spiderman in a universe where Uncle Ben lived.

ASM90: miles learns about the captain that saves a child from falling rubble.

the first mention is captain stacy… so miles looks at gwen. gwen stacy. gwen, who has a dad that’s a captain, stacy. then he looks at the spider-people cradling captains in grief—some stacy’s, some not—and he lands on his peter b. parker.

“that happened to you?” he asks.

and peter doesn’t answer,,, but we know. we see it, just like miles. it happened to peter. and it happened to jessica.

and then miles looks at hobie.

playing shows, antagonizing fascists, staging unpermitted political actions / performance pieces… Hobie might’ve been hating the am, hating the pm, and avoiding the self mythologizing narcissistic autocrat label of a hero,,,,,, but hobie had a police captain he was close to. hobie lived canon ASM90.

“what of it?” is all he says. But we see hobie look down first. we see him contemplate the loss of someone he cared about. maybe far more than he’d like to admit.

So,,,, who was hobie’s captain?

"with great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben

What do y’all think would have happened if Miguel had actually found a dimension where his daughter had become a version of Spider-girl after his alternative self died?

i get that it's fun from a fan perspective and i'm not trying to disparge that, but I think analysis wise, trying to overly determine scientific understanding to the canon framework kind of. misses the lens through which the framework is asking to be understood in the first place.

it's in the name and what's associated w it. the literary canon which upholds a specific body of texts as worthy of acclaim. the 'canon' as used in a colloquiel sense in fan communities to talk about about what elements of a text are unquestionably certain. hell (though i'd personally say spiderverse probably isn't intentionally invoking this subtext), canon as law by which you are judged.

'canon' in spiderverse is specifically being utilised as a vehicle for the characters to question the purpose of suffering within their lives (and because they are characters for which these aren't imagined stakes, they place it within a framework of fate), and as the means to ask the audience to interogate why we we uphold particular elements or beats of The Spiderman Story as ‘legitimise’ that retelling

So I posted a work for the farm au if anyone wants to read that..

Remember what they took from you

Random ATSV theory…

I wonder, if Miguel 2099 hadn’t replaced the “dead” Miguel, the latter’s body would have been found and his murder investigated.

Maybe the crook that killed him was linked to that universe’s alchemax, and by Miguel 2099 replacing him, there was no investigation that may have led to the Fusion Collider of that universe being stopped. Hence, that dimension falling apart.

Ooorrr maybe that Miguel’s death would have “inspired” that dimension’s Spider-Person (similar to Uncle Ben/Aaron) to take on the mantle, so by that “canon” event not happening, there is no Spider-Person in that dimension, meaning no one to stop the collider from going off, thus leading to the destruction of that dimension.

EDIT: I also think Pavitr’s dimension collapsing was NOT bc of Miles saving Inspector Singh/disrupting a canon event, but bc Spot activated the collider (this is not a new theory at all lol, I’m just relating it to mine above). Sooo Miguel probably doesn’t realize it wasn’t necessarily disrupting a canon event that led to the destruction of that dimension, it was that, through the butterfly effect, that dimension’s collider somehow went off due to dead Miguel being replaced, with no one able to stop it.

miles’ universe already fixed itself. the consequence for the spider entering that earth and biting miles is that the original spider-man dies and miles must now be his earth’s spider-man. if there’s one thing that is consistent in time travel and multiversal stories, it’s this idea that the universe is malleable and fixes itself based on the decisions of its inhabitants.

doctor who has that sort of thing with “fixed points” in time. you can try to change an event but ultimately, it’s something that has to happen. you might impact other things but the universe will make sure that these key events always happen. try to kill hitler as a baby? you’re either gonna kill the wrong baby or someone else will rise up in his place and the holocaust will still happen.

miles’ universe is stable. thanks for listening.

some of y’all,,,,don’t actually know what a canon event nor what an anomaly are,,,,and it really shows man,,,,,,

Miguel is Fine, Actually (Being Spider-Man's Just Toxic As Hell)

Before I watched ATSV I said that I would defend my man Miguel O'Hara's actions no matter what, because he's always valid and I support women's wrongs. I was joking, and I did not actually expect to start defending him on Tumblr.edu. But I'm seeing a lot of commentary that's super reductive, so I do want to bring up another perspective on his character.

Miguel wasn't acting against the spirit of Spider-Man, or what being Spider-Man means. Miguel isn't meant to represent the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miles is the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miguel represents Spider-Man taken to its extreme.

Think about Miguel's actions from his perspective. If you were a hero who genuinely, legitimately, 100%, no doubt about it, believed that somebody is going to make a selfish decision that will destroy an entire universe and put the entire multiverse at severe risk - if you had an over-burdened sense of responsibility and believed in doing the right thing no matter what - you would also chase down the kid and put him in baby jail to try and prevent it. He believed that he was saving the multiverse, and that Miles was putting it in danger for selfish reasons. Which is completely unforgivable to him, because selfishness is what he hates the most. And then he goes completely out of pocket and starts beefing with a 15yo lmfaooo he's such a dick.

But why did Miguel believe that? Why did he believe that Miles choosing himself and his own happiness over the well-being of others was the worst possible thing? Why did he believe that tragedy was inevitable in their lives, and that without tragedy Spider-Man can't exist?

Because he's Spider-Man.

Peter Parker was once a fifteen year old who chose his own happiness over protecting others. It was the greatest regret of his life and he never forgave himself. Peter's ethos means that he will put himself last every time, and that he will sacrifice anything and everything in his life - his relationships, his health, his future - to protecting and helping others. Peter dropped out of college because it interfered with Spider-Man. He destroyed his own future for Spider-Man. He ruins friendships and romantic relationships because Spider-Man was more important. If Peter ever tries to protect himself and his own happiness, then he's a bad person.

That is intrinsic to Peter. Peter would not be Peter without it. A story that is not defined by Peter's unhappiness is not a Spider-Man story. If Peter doesn't make himself miserable, then he's just not Peter.

That is a Spider-Man story: that not only is tragedy inevitable, that if you don't allow yourself to be defined by your tragedy then you're a bad person. If you don't suffer, then you're a bad person. If you ever put anything above Spider-Man, then you're killing Uncle Ben all over again. Miguel isn't the only one that believes this - as we saw, every Spider-Man buys into what he's saying. There's no Spider-Man without these beliefs.

Miguel attempted to find his own happiness, and he was punished in the most extreme way. He got Uncle Ben'd x10000. He tried to be happy, and it literally destroyed his entire universe. It's the Spider-narrative taken to the extreme. Of course Miguel believes all of this. Of course he believes this so firmly. He's Spider-Man. That's his story. And the one time Miguel tried to fight against that story, he was punished. And like any Spider-Man, he'll slavishly obey that narrative no matter the evil it creates and perpetuates. Because if he doesn't, the narrative will punish him. The narrative will always punish him. It's a Spider-Man story.

I don't think the universal constant between Spider-Mans, the thing that makes them Spider-Man, is tragedy. I think it's the fact that they never forgive themselves. And Miguel is what that viewpoint creates. He doesn't believe this things because he's an awful, mean person. He believes them because he's a hero. He's a good person who hates himself.

Across the Spider-verse isn't really a Spider-Man story. It's a story about Spider-Man stories. Miguel's right: if this was a Spider-Man story, then Miles acting selfishly really would destroy the universe. But Miles' story isn't interested in punishing him. It pushes back against Peter's narrative that unhappiness is inevitable and that you have to suffer to be a good person. It says that sometimes we do the right thing from love and not fear, and that Peter's way of thinking is ultimately super toxic and unhappy. ITSV was about Miles deciding that he didn't need to be Peter Parker, that all he needed to be was Miles, and ATSV is about how being Peter Parker isn't such a good thing. Miguel shows that. Whatever toxic and unhealthy beliefs he holds - they're the exact same beliefs that any Spider-Man holds. He's a dick, but I don't think he's any more awful a person than Peter is.

TL;DR: Miguel isn't a bad person, he just has Spider-Man brainrot.