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reileinaxiu · 2 years

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How I became Anti Jiang Cheng/Wanyin and Anti Jiang in General

Fair warning/s:

Dramatic story sharing. MDZS meta that blur with some fanon pet peeves. Jiang family bashing (yup includes YZY, JWY, JFM, and even JYL). Lengthy story/experience sharing. Some cursing/foul language, okay a lot of cursing that I censored might have missed just in case. Some ranting I guess. And maybe some leaps in logic. Chaotic writing.

So long story short:

I've read a fic with the JC bashing tag, enjoyed it and browsed and read more content about it and I was thoroughly anti JC by the end of it all.

An example is

"All will be well when the day is done" by abCEE. If you haven't read it I recommend it if the Lan clan still hasn't been ruined in your eyes.

Long story not so short:

Okay as you all might know or not know, I was introduced to the MXTX fandom through a fanfic crossover and entered through the donghua.

When I watched the donghua I was sort of indifferent to the Jiang family as a whole. I thought YZY was just this super stern drill sergeant type of woman. Maybe unfair to WWX because of her own bias towards his heritage. JFM was this timid person in front of his wife who doesn't want to get into conflicts. JWY was this broken grieving person after the Lotus Pier Massacre. And JYL was this mother/sister role model that had an unfortunate end.

I did not like them(probably never will at this point), I did not hate them (I should have hated them more), thought they were developmental to WWX as a character (still true but for a completely different reasons). But that was it, they were characters that had fulfilled a role.

Oh what a foolish uninformed lamb 🐑 I was back then.🥲 The donghua did not even begin to skim the surface of it all. Or maybe it did in an artistic license type of view and it was the kind people on the internet who analyzed the story and the original work that just pointed out to me what was obvious now. 🤔

Thank yous especially to: @flautistsandpeonies ,

@jiaoji2 , @withthewindinherfootsteps , @ladypfenix, @ninjakk and many more that I might have missed or yet to discover. Your mxtx content are entertaining and enlightening.

And thank yous to your works on AO3: Hauntcats, Karmiya, FlautistsandPeonies, Vrischika, miixz, glitteringmoonlight, justdoityoufucker and many many more great writers out there.

I definitely 😁 recommend their works.

Their works and posts have opened my eyes. 👀 And many others who I might have missed.

This was how knowing more both ruined and saved my love for MDZS.

It started when I began delving for fanfic on ao3, after finishing the donghua. Naturally, I began with the fics with the most Kudos, so I set my filters with the most words or the most Kudos along with the WangXian tags (Lan Wangji/Wei Wuxian).

Lo and behold one of the top fics at that time was a Jiang Wanyin centric time travel fic that I shall not name but bury deep within my reading history/bookmarks. I do not want to horrify you guys too much who are anti JC like me but the short synopsis was JWY travels back in time and fully supported WWX 🤢 throughout the Sunshot Campaign doing all the the things JGY pointed out in the Guanyin Temple incident getting a happy ever after of everyone lives(even JGY 😰) and noone dies(except mostly the Wen Sect not the Dafans) and JWY marries WQ 🤮.

Yes. I can't believe myself to have thought that was actually good. I got ulcers just thinking about it 🤢. What's worse 😱 is that I've read through several similar fics with JWY as a good brother, anger misunderstood trope and thought nothing of it at the time.

One of the worse of the worst were my ignorance when reading fics with side JWY/LXC tag.☣️🤮 If I knew I would have never touched any of these fics. But I absorbed the MDZS content through various media sources so my understanding was obscured at best and completely reconceptualized at worst. I hope my realization wasn't too late that I ended up reading about a homophobe in a same-sex relationship.

My poor ignorant self,😔 I forgive you for ever thinking any of those were acceptable homage to the masterpiece that is MDZS. Alas those fics in my read history will be part of a dark past that I might visit some day again only to treat it as the radioactive ☢️ toxic waste it truly should be handled as.

Don't get me wrong. It doesn't make any of those God awful plot devices better but at least those fics were still very entertaining and I appreciate all the work and effort the author had put in to writing them despite their uh...😦 misconstrued outlook on the actual canon personalities of the characters. Some of those fics were really long and well-written at least. So I find it a shame their great writing skills have gone in this direction.

Maybe 🤔 if I read those as extremely, extremely OOC then I guess they could be slightly acceptable. But till today there are plenty similar fic being written out there, and published everyday. I must sometimes cope by completely erasing JWY or any OOC Jiang from my mind whilst reading these types of mistagged fics. OOC JC tag should really be common so I can filter them out of my searches. I will always be grateful for ao3's sort and filter system.

Another, when exploring the fandom at first was that I was intrigued, amused and even confused 🤔 by all the controversy. On youtube, there were content creators fawning over JWY. So hey, I thought he seemed like a decently popular character.

Then someone pointed some things out to me and I was like " OMG 😱 What sort of deranged sick scum is this person and why the f*** out of all the villains that got their karma he still lives with a position of power".

Then I realized again after reading more mdzs meta, "Almost everyone in the Cultivation World except WangXian, the juniors(of every sect), WN, WQ, LQY and maybe NHS at some point are all corrupt assholes that deserve some sort of karma still lives with positions of power" 😱😱😱

So yeah. One of my problems when identifying good not OOC fanfics was because tags like the good sibling jc, yunmengbros reconciliation, etc.😖 was normalized by a lot of writers that other writers started referencing OOC fanfics as the true personality of those characters. That's why a newbie like me entering the fandom just binge read anything that was popular at the time and thought that it actually somehow corresponds to the original work. I am sometimes tempted to unsubscribe from certain MXTX content creators because they are JC stans. But I am conflicted cause they make really good WangXian content as well 😰.

For example:

Like when writers completely disregarding WWX's most important character traits to fit him into an OOC template @withthewindinherfootsteps discusses this very soundly and points out WWX's core philosophy. Writers have gone to create completely new characters and stamped them with the same name. They have lots of reblogs and discussion with this particular post

Maybe it's because I haven't read the entirety of the original work yet (I've only watched the donghua, the cql, followed the manhua, and skipping to favorite scene in thenovel translations) but further evidence pointed out by readers of the original work had thoroughly converted me. I do not commend any of the Jiang Family's treatment of WWX.

Feel free to skip to the rabbits if you prefer not to read some of these heavy criticisms about the Jiang Family and some cursing. Oh and maybe a bit of conspiracy theory meta.

Let's begin with this literal raging b*tch, YZY.

YZY was a child abuser, a hypocrite, and liar.

"What do you mean what do we do?! Can't you see yet? They came here prepared. Today's fight couldn't have been avoided. Soon afterward there'll be herds of those Wen-dog arriving. Leave first!"

"Shut your mouth! It's all because of you little...!"

-Exiled Rebel Scans Chapter Poisons (3)

These lines had been itching at me from the very beginning so... This was the Lotus Pier Massacre. A lot of others (particularly those who stan her) might think it was a sad heroic sacrificing moment as a mother that made a lot of people misconstrue YZY's true nature. She was neither self-sacrificing nor a mother.

She knew. She logically knew that the Wens were prepared and the fight couldn't have been avoided yet she still had the absolute gall to blame WWX of all the people present just because she can and just because she saw him beneath her. After punishing WWX herself as an act of 🤬 subservience to the Wen Clan she couldn't admit it that she herself was the one that escalated the entire situation to the Wen's advantage when WLJ taunted her about the supervisory office. She made everyone including the children to fight in that bloodbath just so her pride as a lady of a great sect remain unquestioned only saving her child and asking the disciple she abused mentally, emotionally and physically to give his life for JWY's sake. And look where it got her. If you ask me now, I'd say she totally deserved that humiliating death and WN should have left her and JFM's body to rot compared to my tragic first impressions.

JFM is as much as an abuser as YZY was. He was an abuser through neglect, and some form of exploitation. A lot of context clues lead to YZY regularly punishing WWX excessively. It's never really mentioned that JFM stopped any of these especially since it is most likely those punishments were handed indiscriminately without just cause other than YZY's hate for WWX.

Shown in the Lotus Pod Extra where it's only WWX who gets punished despite every other disciple doing the same thing. Punished with a whip a that!😨 And that was just an Everyday probably casual occurence in the summer.

The exploitation I have less evidence on that but from what I can understand (or don't) is that a disciple of a sect is more or less an employee and that they at least have some sort of regular stipend besides the facilities, housing and education given to them, otherwise why bother to become a cultivator of a sect when your financially challenged. I'm sure there's at least a few disciples who would send money back to their families because a cultivator's job has some monetary benefits that attracted them to Cultivation sects.

(Ps. Someone argue the flaws in my logic or support it with further evidence that you can find, I'd be grateful)

This isn't the case for WWX though. From the novel it was said that WWX explored the markets in Yunmeng and took whatever he pleased because the locals knew to send the bill to Lotus Pier and maybe he got an allowance that only equates to pocket money. It could be seen that he was well taken care of at least financially.

But from my point view its an indirect form of exploitation. This could be seen as WWX not having his own money to spend for himself making him monetarily dependant on the Jiangs generosity (which was barely existent). It made WWX all the more differentiated from the other disciples who were compensated for their rendered services. Especially since he was made the head disciple at such a young age he should have gotten a comparatively larger paycheck(ancient china payrolls) maybe even equal to the senior disciples because he takes on a teaching job.

When WWX was in the Burial Mounds with the Wens I don't think he had his own assets to claim and fall back on when JWY removed him from the sect. He was one of the key figures to victory in the Sunshot Campaign don't tell me he wasn't properly compensated for his contributions? If someone out there thinks that he gave his spoils of war to the Sect, then f*** the Jiang Clan, I call fraud and exploitation.

That's right folks! Lotus Pier was equivalent to a Japanese Black Company! Modern laws, on child labor and treatment addendums aside, at least in regards to WWX that is. Not only was WWX put to work in abhor conditions (abused; verbally and physically) he was also barely compensated, if not at all, for his services. YZY didn't make it any better siting unreasonable excuses of immeasurable debt that WWX took to heart. JWY also follows her mother's footsteps even when she died he also imposed this debt on WWX even when WWX already went above and beyond what stipulates on what a head disciple or even regular disciples owe to their sect. I could really care less how JFM didn't want to upset his wife or some other excuse, he is Sect Leader! He couldn't have not known what was going on. This has got to be some form of exploitation. 😡

I should write a separate post for all the things messed up about JWY. But to sum it up he expected WWX to abandon his moral code to pander to his sect leader position and Sect's reputation and leave to the Cultivation World's bloodlusts what was essentially a village full of civilians, children or weakened cultivators. He blamed WWX for JYL's death when he clearly witnessed what actually happened, it wasn't WWX who landed the killing blow(WWX even killed that stupid attacker the moment that happened, JWY saw that as well). He went on torturing to death anyone who slightly resembled WWX or was suspected of practicing unorthodox cultivation (keywords on slightly resembled and suspected never proven or justified) for years! Also hellbent on torturing and killing WWX in his second life by using his fears and guilt and that d*mn whip he inherited from his b**** of a mother. And he is an overall bitter and unpleasant character to be in the presence of. I could keep going on and on because there's a whole lot more and there is not enough words to describe how much of a terrible person he was by the end of the book.

Lastly, there is JYL. 🤨She wasn't very significant as the person WWX made her out to be. She wasn't a bad person but she also didn't make any strides to be better or do good. She always tried to make compromises but it was usually for the sake of others especially JWY and at the cost of WWX because she viewed him as being capable of carrying any burdens with a smile and not as a person that struggles or gets hurt by superficial or personal remarks. A peacemaker, timid like her father, avoiding conflicts instead of actually solving them. She claimed WWX a brother during the Phoenix Mountain Hunt and demanded an apology in the name of her sect but that all crumbled like a sandcastle on the beach and forgotten as dust in the wind when JZX confessed publicly and she secluded herself in her happy little married domestic life.😤 Either she was just an oblivious fool just like her husband and would have caused WWX's death by asking him to stand down when he was clearly being attacked or she really believed everything would go well if everyone calmed down or something. Or she was just incredibly gullible to the point of trusting her marital sect that repeatedly put down WWX. She is like LXC in this regard, and I have a lot of negatives and barely-there positives about him as well.

What frustrates me in fanfics with her in it is that she acts like both her marital sect or natal sect could never be in the wrong and that it should be WWX who should adjust is behavior when they were literally trying to kill him.

Is it appropriate to rant about other fics that pissed me off on tumblr? I won't cause it feels rude on some level.

Also I hate the line she said about WWX being born with a smiling face. That's like putting unrealistic expectations on WWX's head. Just because he can bare a lot of things with a smile doesn't mean he cannot get hurt? Newsflash putting up a smiling front is just one way WWX protected himself emotionally from all the rumors and vitriol from YZY. I know I'm being overly harsh but I can't help but feel infuriated. WWX is a strong person for putting up with the Jiang's bull****, horse****, dog**** whatever **** I can think of under the sun and still manages to be an inherently good person but that doesn't really justify everything that was done to him.

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@righteousinadversity sums it up pretty well WWX's sufferings in life and a good chunk of that list is because of the Jiangs or could be traced back to the Jiangs.

If these realizations weren't enough to get me to go anti Jiang Family, I'd be wondering where my common sense went. I became extra wary of those fics tags with something like Good parent YZY & JFM🤬, Good sibling JC 🤮, Yunmengbros feels🙄, and a surprisingly eye watering amount of word vomit. 🤢

This doesn't mean I condemn all the fics out there that don't adhere to canon personalities even the ones I've already read. If the ficwriter was reasonable enough in writing a life altering event or tagging that the characters are going to act OOC. Then sure I might read a modern AU where JC is a reasonably less asshole of an adopted brother. Or an AU where the JWY and JYL try to makeup for their parents wrongs etc. I could probably stomach it with minimum nausea. Still doesn't mean I have to like it, I am just a poor deprived soul that seeks to consume as much mdzs media in my free time.😔

Although Post-canon fics where WWX or LWJ get along with JWY, 😑 yeah I'm drawing the lines where lines need to be drawn. I might make the time to delete a lot of bookmarks from my archives.

The only thing that saved my love for MDZS was WangXian and that speaks for itself because there's a lots of scummy characters (scummy as irl people, they were perfectly fine characters that drove the plot) and WangXian happens to overturn all those flaws because they are the exact opposite to such toxic relationships and toxic people. Plus just because I bash the Jiang Family so much doesn't mean I should stan WWX for the novelty of getting behind the hero or protecting a victim.

It's because WWX is genuinely a good person that I will stan him with all my squishy beating heart🫀!

He sees injustice and seeks to correct it. He had literal life costing wrongs done to him and he does not seek further resentment . He knows not to forgive and not to forget but also knows when to let go. And LWJ learned a lot from WWX and he became his moral compass. God 🤩 they are just so good together, good for each other, and good for everyone.🥲

May they forever ♾️❤️ be a happy couple.🥰

The rest of the trashy cultivators of the Cultivation World can get eaten by the Xuanwu for all I care. 🙄#turtlefood

I might get started about how I came to dislike the Lans in general or wished fiery deaths for most of Cultivation World. But that's for another time.

Is it hypocritic of me to continue reading these awful OOC Jiang fics? Maybe a little. 😐

Does it take me away from potentially great reads?

On my sane days I'd avoid them like WWX avoids dogs. If I'm feeling curious or just really hoping to find something fresh to read, I'd suck it up and pretend the poorly characterized Jiangs are florid mouthpieces used by the author that I can probably forget and ignore.😖

I think I have the same problem with Postcanon fics where WWX gets along with his in-laws. I read them ignorant of how the original work actually ended. Now I despair at how awful my reading history looks and I became very critical of the type of fanfics I presently enjoy.

Taking a page out of @FlautistandPeonies

Jiang family stans don't shit my post. I have literally tagged this anti-everything I can think of the first few lines were literally in big font titled "How I became anti JC"

Fellow mdzs meta readers come at me with gentle criticisms or discussions or comments (emphasis on gentle please 🥺, I'm a sensitive soul that easily loses confidence)

I got the courage to post this after reading a fic with YZY being her petty bitchy self. It was gloriously infuriating that I console myself with the WangXian ending. I might recommend that fic after it's gotten more chapters out (I don't want anyone getting conniptions from the cliffhanger) along with other anti Jiang Family fics.

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justalilhime · 2 years

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Cw: (fictional) physical and emotional abuse

I find it so amusing that a lot of people when discussing YZY'a abuse of WWX either claim that it wasn't that bad (in fact, it was that bad, and it's even clearer in the lotus pod extra), that it was acceptable in that society's culture/is historically correct (ignoring the fact that the author is a modern person with modern values telling you through the text how fucked up that was and how in the text no one else exhibited the same behavior as her despite it being supposedly their right to; they had better morals and ethics than her) or that WWX was supposed to be singled out and endure the punishment because he was the Head Disciple and this is the point that really gets to me because... Why do people think YZY has any right to punish any disciple?

She forced her way into marrying JFM, then made it her personal mission to make everyone's lives hell with her entitlement and abuse (a side note: I do think most of JFM's passiveness and apathetic nature is actually a result of said abuse, a self-preservation mechanism of sorts, but that's both personal and topic for another post). YZY married into the clan and gave birth to two children, one of them the heir, but that's literally the only thing she does for YMJ. She rarely spends time at Lotus Pier, what little she spends there are unpleasant to everyone involved. Her vitriol poisoned JC against the values of his own clan, the one he's supposed to inherit, and made it impossible for JFM to even try to teach him (and I honestly commend him for still trying anyway, as seen post-Xuanwu incident). She disrespects the dead and drags their names as though they're trash — one of them being WCZ, who used to be a part of YMJ and (possibly) made good contributions to the clan, as he was let go peacefully. And, the most important of them, she rejects the title of Jiang-furen. She always goes by Yu-furen (a title that belongs to her older sister, not her; at best, by logic, if she was still in Meishan Yu, she'd be third madam Yu, instead of simply Yu-furen). While some may argue it's her way to fight patriarchy and show love for her natal clan, it's still downright insulting to the Jiang clan and her husband.

She chooses not to associate herself with them by name and behavior. She doesn't even share the same servants and lives in completely different quarters. But of course, despite all this, she still enjoys the power of being the madam of the Jiang clan. All because no one dares go against her, lest they become the next target of her hatred. That, too, is another form of her abuse. But she doesn't have the right to when she chooses to reject everything the Jiangs stand for.

So yeah, what she did to WWX was fucked up beyond imagination, because 1) he was a child, 2) it was abuse, and 3) she was using an authority and power she shouldn't have the right to after everything.

If you read this and come saying any "buts" I will block you, btw 😂 Unless you're a mutual, which we shall agree to disagree, but I won't discuss further if your opinion differs. I have no patience and no will to hear/read abuse apologism of any kind (again, for personal reasons). I just wanted to type out some thoughts. Thanks for reading I guess 😂

#anti yu ziyuan #can you tell I'm frustrated with fandom #because I am #YZY had nothing and deserved nothing #and still everyone hadto suffer because of her #I hate her #oh also #what the actual fuck is happening to the eng translation of volume 3 #YZY would kill someone for the audacity of removing her 'I hate you' to WWX #she didn't tell him to die for JC's sake for people to twist her words #thank goodness I'm not obligated to stick to seven seas #Brazilian translation is 10000% better #thank you very much

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tanoraqui · 10 months

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☔ for the ask game? (idea you're not sure you'll write, if the emoji doesn't come through)

☔Is there a fic concept you have that you'd like to just explain and share because you're not sure you'll ever write it? If so, what is it?

I kind of dropped out of the MDZS fandom like a rock after finishing my novel-length longfic, and the fic I most regret leaving unwritten is a bullet-point au in which Jiang Fengmian just cannot find his friends' lost son, he gives up, so Wei Wuxian grows up entirely on the streets, scrounging his way to enough cultivation education to invent demonic cultivation (because that's still the kind of person he is), and JFM assuages his conscience a little by inviting a different random clever basically-an-urchin - Meng Yao - into Jiang Sect.

Highlights include:

Meng Yao: wow the obvious fault lines in this family make everyone so easy to manipulate- wait, am I being offered real affection and trust? That's...fine.

Meng Yao trying desperately to hide his background, but he goes to visit his mother when she's ill. Jiang Cheng follows him, because Meng Yao is his best (only) friend, and Jiang Yanli follows Jiang Cheng to make sure he doesn't get in trouble, and then (JYL steps on JC's foot to stop him from saying the first thing that comes to mind) they both react with compassion and sympathy rather than scorn to Meng Shi and her profession. Meng Yao experiences several more Real Emotions.

Teen rogue cultivator Wei Wuxian just kinda. invites himself. to Lan Summer School, on the strength of Cangse Sanren's name. JFM is delighted when he hears, encourages JC to befriend him (Meng Yao: [jealous cat hisses]) and would have invited him home at the end of the summer...if WWX didn't get himself expelled halfway through for punching Jin Zixuan's smug face.

He also crashes Terrible Wen Summer Camp. Gets stuck in a cave with Lan Wangji, etc.

Wei Wuxian has kinda been a Batman-esque vigilante in Yiling (moody, dramatic, clad in black, fights ghosts and also bad guys). When the Wens move in, he shifts to being a more actively anti-authoritarian Batman-esque vigilante. Wen Qing is annoyed. Wen Ning is enamored.

The Wens attack Lotus Pier, because they were always going to attack Lotus Pier next. Jiang Cheng does get his golden core torn out. Wen Ning rescues him, because Wen Ning is always a hero even if Wei Wuxian isn't immediately present. Meng Yao decides it's time to do what he does best...so he promised Jiang Cheng that he'll be back, then goes to the Nightless City and says, "oh golly gee, I, second disciple of Jiang Sect, am so defeated and humbled by the mighty Wen! Can I please join, oh magnificent masters?"

Meanwhile, Wei Wuxian has rescued Lan Xichen (this is gonna get him so many bonus points with his sexy law-abiding nemesis LWJ) , and then gotten himself thrown into the Burial Mounds for snarking at Wen Chao...which is a lot like throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch

Sunshot Campaign! With no golden core, JC can't really rebuild Jiang Sect, but he gets reliable intel from a man on the inside and he humbles himself enough to ask Wei Wuxian for tutelage in talismans, and of course you'd literally need to tie him up to keep him from going out and kicking ass.

Wei Wuxian is peak Yiling Patriarch because it's the right thing to do. (LWJ: Come back to Gusu with me (so I can aggressive cleanse your spirit, then maybe dick you down so hard that neither of us can movie for a week))

AFTER THE WAR: Jin Guangshan dramatically recognizes war hero/Wen Ruohan-slayer Meng Yao as Jin Guangyao, his son and new sect member... and Meng Yao, having grown up with the absolute Ride Or Die nature of Jiang Sect, and with more intimate knowledge (via JYL's engagement and YZY's friendship with Madame Jin) of how much JGS sucks, says, "Thanks but no thanks, I will be staying with my sworn brother and sect leader Jiang Wanyin to rebuild Jiang Sect."

It's just about his ambitions, okay! He'll FUNCTIONALLY be Sect Leader; Jiang Cheng literally doesn't have a golden core! (Though he's still absolutely first-rate in swordwork and his talismans are fucking superb. The thing about Jiang Cheng is that he will rise to the occasion, always.) Also, that 'sworn brother' thing was not agreed upon in advance; Meng Yao totally publicly backed him into that corner - in which he didn't mind being. Jiang Cheng is pretty damn sure he's getting the better of this deal, and he's kinda right.

Between JC's prestigious name and insane levels of personal dedication, MY's people skills and equally insane (but slightly more calculated) levels of personal dedication, and JYL securing a very favorable loan from Madame Jin, they hella get Jiang Sect back on its feet.

Meanwhile, WWX has again refused to go with LWJ to learn "proper" cultivation or anything else...and JGS is seeking power, and abusing Wen prisoners of war...

Wen Qing comes to Lotus Pier, finds Meng Yao, and says, "Please help save my brother. We helped save yours. You owe us this much." Meng Yao, being Meng Yao, thinks, I do rather owe here, but this is politically delicate... Who can I foist this off on whom I don't mind seeing torn apart by every righteous sect... and forwards her to Wei Wuxian.

Who does his righteous Wei Wuxian thing

There's a big dramatic meeting of sect leaders & etc about this, in which JGS beats his war drums, etc. etc. Meng Yao feels slightly bad but not, like, that bad. Wei Wuxian tried to steal his brother when they were teenagers, and again while MY was away during the Sunshot Campaign, so he probably deserves to die.

Afterwards, JYL with her unerring Older Sister senses pulls MY (and JC) aside and hisses, "A-Yao, what did you do?"

Do they end up saving the day? Is Wei Wuxian just destined to doom himself with his particular combination of pride, self-neglect, and blithe refusal to play by everyone else's rules? I never actually decided!

#ask meme #my fic #mdzs #jin guangyao #meng yao #wei wuxian #the untamed

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whetstonefires · 1 year

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Drives me insane the way people act like YZY was just... idk an extention of JFM with no agency of her own who couldn't have, at any time, chosen to just not abuse a child and make her family's lives miserable. Nope the only person who could do anything about this is her husband, she of course has no control over her own actions.

right?? i have definitely seen that. or they just treat it like her actions are based on emotional reactions and thus Valid and also could have been Fixed Easily if the situation were different, but he's some other kind of entity, who doesn't have a meaningful internal life, and can only be evaluated in terms of what use he is to other people.

i feel like a lot of people are trying to react against misogyny here and correct for it by going the opposite direction, but the problem is 1) the framework where the husband of a domineering wife is unpersoned is, in fact, itself a very sexist cultural narrative that's definitely surfacing here and 2) stan girlboss only gets you so far, as anti-misogynist ethos.

also, frankly, abusive people tend to have a narrative about how specific stressors are the cause of their actions, and thus other people are responsible for what they did, due to creating that situation, which.

it's tough irl sometimes when you get a story about someone lashing out due to A Stress, because people sure do put each other in situations. you often have to accept that blame can't be usefully apportioned. and to an extent these fairly minor characters do have enough complexity that a bit of that applies, which is why it's so annoying to see them caricatured.

but yu ziyuan does in fact have lots of opportunities to not Make Things Worse and demonstrates a habit of casual unkindness, while Jiang Fengmian spends a lot of time appeasing her. so i feel a kind of a way about signing onto her implied narrative about their relationship.

#ask #hoc est meum #Anonymous #oh dear this post has brought Many Asks

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hyunpic · 10 months

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Who's yzy, if you're comfortable answering? No pressure and, feel free to ignore this question if it makes you uncomfortable.

its a distributor based in china and they sell albums with photocard benefits etc, organize fansigns and -calls. there was a controversy about a text that they printed on the back of jeongin’s photocard that was suggested on it with malicious intentions by an anti (? someone correct me if im wrong). this is what started people not wanting to support the company. they are also organizing irl fansign for skz later on and there’s been people who have been threatening to point lasers on felix’s eyes to harm his eyesight during that and threatening other members as well so stays are worried about that as well

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tackling the ancestral hall scene. re: jc was very much in the right, my thoughts. long post !

^^^ for some context, jiang cheng didnt explicitly allowed wei wuxian back, but he didn't deny him. basically, he gave wei wuxian an inch, and he took a mile. not to mention, jc wanted w.wx to return back anyways! he wanted w.wx to kneel in the ancestral hall and beg for forgiveness from his parents. that consent didn't extend to l.wj, an OUTSIDER, he's not part of the jiang nor does he share blood, nor was he wedded to w.wx, at that point in the story w.wx still wasn't aware of l.wj's feelings.

yada yada yada theyre all at lotus pier, on official business, to discuss the whole matter wrt to jin guangyao, wng.xn are there as GUESTS, w.wx technically deflected from ymj pre-res, and l.wj is yknow, an OUTSIDER. while sect leaders are discussing, wng/xn decided to explore lp, nothing wrong w that really, jc tails them for a bit bc he was notified. he would've never confronted them but! this happens:

wng.xn were basically trespassing at this point like dskjfnnkjnkfenjr they'd have to be SO far in the inner courts of ymj, even if its in character for w.wx to do this, l.wj on the other hand.... shouldn't he have known better? all those rules within the gusulan sect and none of them mentioned to not enter ancestral halls w/o permission? like this is jc's HOME, he's the master of the house, they cant just waltz around like they own the place.

this is taking me outtttt like w.wx fr shit talking yzy in her FINAL resting place and only realising it after a second widkdkfkdfkdkfkdkfkfkckfkfkdk . didn't screenshot this but: ww.x AND l.wj did bows in front of their tablets , which...... yeah.

the thing is, yeah yzy and jfm tablets were there but it's not just them, it's the JIANG ancestral hall, so it held tablets for ALL the jiang that had passed...... like you don't even need to be well versed in chinese culture or confucianism or the like to know that what wng.xn were doing was wrong. god.

and this was where jc caught them:

jc was totally justified for this reaction, there's no ifs ands or buts with this, they basically violated the most sacred place in his HOME. need i mention again this is jc's HOMEEEEE .

some more context: jc was implying l.wj was gay (he is) and was mad at how shameless wng.xn was acting, w.wx still doesn't know of l.wj's feelings and took it as an insult. antis love to you this scene as jc being homophobic but like...... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 he just doesn't appreciate them coming and desecrating his ancestral hall bro 😭😭😭😭😭 jc isn't homophobic he just don't appreciate ppl acting shamelessly in sacred places wldkdkfkdk

then w.wx goes and attacks him, in his HOME, in his ANCESTRAL HALL..... GOD....... like what the fuck is wrong with themmmmmmm 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 they done trespassing and now attacking and i supposed to be rooting for them?🙄🙄 jiang cheng better than me, he shoulda drawn sandu right then and there

and the cherry on top of this whole soap opera mess:

w.wx FAINTING. like "oh woe is me my actions actually have consequences?😵" MANS ALLERGIC TO ACCOUNTABILITY 😭😭😭 . the cognitive dissonance was truly hilarious to see ekdkdkfkdkfkf

#jcposting #god im basically writing essays yall im sorry dksjfksfeujidrg #please do note this isnt meta or some well researched post. this is just my thoughts abt the scene #and my defending jc for this bc he was 100% in the right for this #post-res w.wx I dont care for i do hold sympathy for him but his avoidance of the very --#-- real issues and mess he left behind is quite... hmmm irritating?#this is why i could never like wng.xn.... lw.j is too much of an asshole and post-res w.wx is so un-w.wx #but yeah . these are my thoughts lskdekfkkrfk #whoever reads this whole mess: BLESS YOU 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

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ausetkmt · 2 years

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Kanye West slammed for 'White Lives Matter' shirts at Yeezy fashion show

Kanye West certainly knows how to cause a stir. On Monday, the 45-year-old rapper presented his YZY SZN 9 collection in Paris wearing a black shirt with the slogan "White Lives Matter." The front of the shirt featured the Pope's face.

Several models in the presentation wore various versions of the same design, according to videos posted on social media. Conservative pundit Candace Owens attended the surprise show and wore the same shirt, but in white.

The Anti-Defamation League declared "White Lives Matter," or WLM, a hate slogan. The phrase has been adopted by white supremacist groups, including the Ku Klux Klan, as a response to the Black Lives Matter movement.

West and Kim Kardashian's daughter North, 9, participated in the show, but do not appear to be wearing the shirt.

West gave a speech before the presentation, declaring, "You can't manage me. This is an unmanageable situation."

"I am Ye and everyone here knows I am the leader," he said at another point. It doesn't appear that he directly addressed the WLM slogan.

Vogue interviewed West ahead of the surprise show and Kardashian's ex-husband had plenty to say about his role in the fashion world.

"You know, specifically in this fashion context, I see myself more as a George Lucas than a fashion designer," he explained. "There's just people. From the same planet. And sometimes, in high school, it feels like we don't fit in. And in a situation like this, we have the opportunity to come together to express who we are."

West, who legally changed his name to Ye, is no stranger to controversial takes. In 2018, the Grammy-winning musician infamously called slavery a choice. West was a vocal supporter of former president Donald Trump. Last year, the rapper told fans "I've still got a red hat on today," referring to Trump's signature red "Make America Great Again" cap.

"I might not got it on [at the moment], but I'll let y'all know where I stand," West said on Revolt TV's Drink Champs podcast in November.

"Kanye" has been trending on Monday after images of the WLM shirts went viral, with many people upset over the stunt.

Kanye west making Black models wear “ white lives matter” shirts is a culmination of his anti blackness and his immersion in white supremacy ideologies and methods. Disgusting pic.twitter.com/yIaVKPYEBB — ꧁༺ӄɛɛք ȶʀɨɢɢɛʀɨռɢ ʀǟƈɨֆȶֆ ʍɛɢɦǟռ༻꧂ (@Blu_Alexia_) October 3, 2022

So many folks are trying to excuse Kanye wearing a white lives matter t-shirt as just a troll move or marketing. Maybe it is. But it’s a dangerously dumb message to send for someone with his massive platform. I been off dude. But y’all go ahead labeling his foolishness as genius. — Jemele Hill (@jemelehill) October 3, 2022

#Kanye West slammed for 'White Lives Matter' shirts at Yeezy fashion show #Black Self Hate #Kanye needs help y'all #ye #yeezie making whtie supremacist gear #Paris ain't Detroit Nigga #anti blackness #slavery was not a choice kanye

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nikoalasblog · 1 year

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activism & protest!!

This week’s topic is about activism, protest and digital citizenship. Before I continue, let me explain what is activism and what it means to be an activist. According to dictionary.com, the practice of taking direct action to further political or social objectives is known as activism. Supporting a certain cause (or set of causes) or opposing it can both be considered forms of activism. Direct (and persistent) actions are used in activism, including protests, lawsuits, petitioning, campaigns, and strikes. An activist is a person who takes part in activism. The term "activist" suggests that these actions are consistently carried out and that the activist is perpetually engaged in their cause. On the other hand, the term "protest" refers to a display of disapproval or dissatisfaction in public. Protests are frequently held in opposition to issues such as a country's involvement in a war, particular government policies, or acts of injustice. A close synonym for protest would be demonstration. These protests are frequently held in public places by those who wish to openly express their discontent in order to raise awareness of their cause and exert pressure on the government to implement change. A protestor is a person who takes part in protests. One of the most well-known global protest is the Black Lives Matter protests.

An international social movement called Black Lives Matter (BLM) was established in the US in 2013 with the goal of ending racism and anti-Black violence, particularly when it manifests itself in the form of police brutality. Black Lives Matter is a movement that opposes the unjust killings of Black people by police (Black people in the United States are considerably more likely to be killed by police than White people) and calls for society to regard Black lives and humanity equally to White lives and humanity. The BLM expanded more when George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, was declared dead in May 2020 after Derek Chauvin, a white Minneapolis police officer, had knelt on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes despite Floyd's repeated claims that he was struggling to breathe. Massive protests were then sparked by the widespread distribution of a bystander's video of Floyd's final moments in places all over the world and in the United States (The Editors of Encyclopaedia, 2022). Many people at this time started to change their profile picture to a fist to show their support of the movement (as seen in the picture above). It was a very heartbreaking period for people.

Has any fandoms you’re involved in been a part of any protest or acts of social activism?

Not really. However, there has been a recent controversy with Kanye West, an American rapper and fashion designer. The reason why I am mentioning him is that I happen to enjoy and like his music. But I was not surprised when I heard about this controversy since he tends to be involved in many controversies and has done many questionable things over the years. After making online anti-Semitic remarks and then doubling down on them, Kanye had his access to his Twitter and Instagram accounts restricted. This caused significant outrage and debates over whether it was time to ultimately “cancel” him (Bowen 2022). At his YZY runway show during Paris Fashion Week in early October, Ye wore a "White Lives Matter" t-shirt and dressed many Black models in attire bearing the same message; the Anti-Defamation League has connected the phrase to the Klu Klux Klan. The rapper made a number of inappropriate remarks in a 45-minute "Drink Champs" podcast episode that aired earlier this month, which actually had a negative financial impact on him and his business partners. West stated on the show, "Even if I use anti-Semitic language, Adidas won't fire me. What's next?" Additionally, he contended that George Floyd's death was caused by a fentanyl overdose rather than by police brutality. Additionally, he repeated a number of antisemitic conspiracies, expanding on them in later interviews. Later, West vowed to "go death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" on Twitter. Businesses have been under pressure to retaliate against Ye for his antisemitic remarks. Brands like Adidas, The Gap, Instagram, Twitter and Balenciaga, even his lawyers and ex-wife Kim Kardashian and many other brands and celebrities have boycotted and terminated partnerships with him (Maruf 2022). Kim Kardashian, who everyone knows was married to Kanye for eight years and has four children with him, has also openly acknowledged and severely condemned her ex-husband in a tweet. Kim declared on her Instagram Stories that hate speech is never acceptable or justifiable. Kim said and I quote "Hate speech is never OK or excusable. I stand together with the Jewish community and call on the terrible violence and hateful rhetoric towards them to come to an immediate end". And yet, Ye's bipolar disorder diagnosis, which he initially discussed in 2016, complicates the "cancellation of Kanye". Mental illness can become serious and have an effect on behaviour if not taken care of, but for the past several years, a lot of individuals, brands, and other celebrities have been torn over the question of whether or not Ye's worrisome outbursts and rants about politics can be explained by his condition (Bowen 2022).

That sums up this week's blog post! Thank you for making it this far <3 See you in the next post.

References:

dictionary.com, definition of activism, dictionary.com, viewed 9 November 2022, <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/activism>.

dictionary.com, definition of protest, dictionary.com, viewed 9 November 2022, <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/protest>.

The Editors of Encyclopaedia, Black Lives Matter, Encyclopedia Britannica, viewed 9 November 2022, <https://www.britannica.com/topic/Black-Lives-Matter>.

Bowen, C 2022, All of the celebrities and brands vowing to boycott Kanye following antisemitism remarks, Cosmopolitan, viewed 9 November 2022,<https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a41764688/kanye-cancelled-yeezy-adidas/>.

Maruf, R 2022, Corporate America is cancelling Kanye West, CNN Business, viewed 9 November 2022, <https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/25/business/kanye-west-business-antisemitic-comments/index.html>.

#mda20009 #week 6

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#Hottakes #8: When You Play Stupid Games, You Win Stupid Prizes, Kanye.

Kanye West has been the topic of discussion for the last two weeks. Normally everyone chalks it up to Kanye being Kanye and not caring enough to hold him accountable for his outlandish behavior and actions. But this time, he’s officially gone too far with his comments and has landed himself in deep waters. It’s no shock that he is now being blackballed but his actions should’ve been an issue before this incident.

This all began on September 15 when Kanye notified GAP that he was terminating their anticipated partnership and said that he planned to open his stores, two weeks later he held a surprise off-schedule fashion show at Paris fashion week to present his latest fashion collection under his label YZY formally known as Yeezy where he showed up in an oversized white T-shirt with white lives matter on the back of it which is a phrase of hate speech that’s origin began with white supremacists who used it in response to the Black Lives Matter movement in 2015. From October 7’th through October 9’th Kanye was restricted by both Instagram and Twitter because he suggested that Diddy was being controlled by Jewish people, he was later restricted by Instagram that day. A day later his behavior continues, and he lashes out at Jewish people in a series of tweets where he tweeted he would go ‘death con 3’ on Jewish people. Kanye’s Twitter account was soon locked after that statement, but a couple of days later he does an interview on the podcast ‘Drink Champs’ where Kanye falsely says that George Floyd has died from fentanyl use instead of the police officer kneeling on his neck for more than eight minutes. And he also continues his anti-semitic speech on the podcast causing social media to irrupt and most brands to withdraw business with him.

Most brands went on to publicly denounce his words and withdraw from doing business with him in the future. It happened rapidly almost every hour there was a new brand or partnership that dropped Kanye West ranging from Balenciaga, Creative Artists Agency, GAP, Def Jam, Foot Locker, and most importantly Adidas which has been the home of the sneaker brand Yeezy since 2015. There have been talks about Kanye West's music being removed from some streaming platforms, and Apple Music recently has taken Kanye West's music off of their streaming playlists but his music remains available on all platforms. He is also currently being sued by the family of George Floyd for his defamatory comments about his death in the misinformation he spread about it. His downfall came faster than I think he ever expected, it almost seems like he didn’t think that he’d be held accountable for his behavior. Especially since he tried to barge into Skechers corporate office and make them the new home to his shoe brand Yeezy, he was later escorted out of the corporate office.

Kanye West is always referred to as a genius and smarter than most of his peers. While that may be correct for his business ventures and music, I never thought of him to be someone who has intellectual thoughts. Kanye has a cult-like following that would defend his every word no matter how outlandish his words are. Before they acknowledge his obvious mental health issues instead of encouraging him to get help, they weaponize it against people when they condemn him for his repulsive behaviors. I’ve seen a lot of theories that Kanye was trying to ‘get out’ of his contracts with all these brands and he was able to get out of these contracts for free instead of paying out of the contract. That sounds ridiculous. He’s not a genius nor was he thinking ahead of how his words and behavior will affect him in the long run. He somehow thought he was on the same level as a white man where they see no repercussions for their behavior. He was quickly reminded who he was in America, which is a Black man.

Class and social circles can ultimately change who you are and your behaviors toward people and that’s what happened with Kanye, The more renowned he became his behaviors became more outlandish, impulsive, and flat-out disgusting. People often run to blame someone for his actions, the blame has ranged from his mom‘s passing to Kim Kardashian, to Pete Davidson, and anyone under the sun other than the actual problem. Which is Kanye West himself. After being coddled for so long and only mentioning his mental health after making controversial statements, it’s become a cycle that we were all too familiar with. His mouth was going to get him in trouble one day, but we just didn’t know when. We all thought the ‘slavery was a choice’ comments have been the nail in the coffin and an ideal world, it would’ve. The anti-semitic comments were the rest of the world's breaking point and rightfully so. I do remember, people making excuses for his ‘slavery was a choice’ commentary and saying that he didn’t mean it like that when in actuality, he did. His harassment towards his ex-wife, Kim Kardashian for months over social media garnered so much support and laughs as if it was funny for him to publicly embarrass the mother of his kids in the manner that he did while she’s also taking the blame for him being this way. His behaviors have been enabled to the point where he thought that this was ok and that he will easily be forgiven and that’s not the case anymore with how we are progressing as people.

Being held accountable may be new to celebrities but it’s common practice in the real world. We don’t all have a cult-like following who can defend our every word even when we’re wrong, it’s up to us to watch our mouths and always remember our words can come back to bite. The saying, ‘you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes’ is an understatement of what has happened to Kanye over the past couple of weeks. It shouldn’t have taken this long to call out his problematic behavior but we’ll take what we can get. I hope in the future when we see some of our favorites saying some outlandish things that we can have enough maturity to call it out. Kanye went years unchecked and instead laughed at when nothing was funny, he accepted his behavior because we accepted his behavior and that’s what led us to where we are today.

What do you guys think? Did we enable Kanye? Why wasn’t he ‘canceled’ at the first problematic comment? Can Kanye bounce back from this?

Happy Halloween! See you next post!

Cherokee🤎🎃

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