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ms-cartoon · 4 months

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I've been coming across a bunch of Hazbin spoilers and decided "screw it" and found the leaks to the full episodes. (I don't care how sensitive you leak haters are about it)

Of course, as expected, this show is already turning out to be trashy as I would expect it to be. Little retcons here and there, shitty writing, some crappy and pathetic characters who already lost whatever mojo they had back in the pilot, voice-acting is bitter as it will always be, etc.

There are a lot of issues with just these two eps, but I'm just gonna point out the ones that got my attention the most.

WARNING: THERE ARE SPOILERS/ MENTIONS OF HARRASMENT AND ALL THE 18+ BS.

-- Charlie- "Once upon a time, there was a glowing city protected by golden gates, known as Heaven. It was ruled by beings of pure light. Angels that worshipped good and shielded all from evil."

I beg to differ since it's established already that angels from heaven are nothing but fakes and are evil as hell, probably proud of it. Exhibit A: Adam and Sera. Now if they were anything like Frollo (someone who believes they are doing good but are not) I might be okay with it. Like say, they only resort to extermination because they're from heaven, they feel it is their job, and they have to do it even though it's wrong. Instead, however, I assume they exterminate because they just like to do it and they're evil like that. They probably have a feeling that some sinners are still good people on the inside and just don't care.

-- Charlie: As the numbers of Hell grew, so did its power. Threatened by this,

Heaven made a truly heartless decision that every year, they would send down an army an extermination to ensure Hell and its sinners could never rise against them.

I hear with my little ear another retcon!!

In the pilot, the only reason why extermination was a thing was because of overpopulation in hell. Now they're saying heaven is exterminating sinners cuz they're threatened by the overgrowing power and they don't want to be rebelled by it?? I going to guess that they only made this change so they can force evil on heaven while making Lucifer the innocent one. This is exactly what they did with Stella in the HB series where it was brought up that things were okay between her and Stolas only for the second season to say Stella hated Stolas the whole time they were together and treated him badly just so the writers can tell us viewers that she's evil.

Is this gonna be a thing now?

-- Angel: I'll have the horniest sinners knockin these walls down to get in!

This body was made to be exploited!

Seriously, guys, this is the same pervert we're supposed to feel bad for BECAUSE he's being exploited!

And leave it to Angel to completely miss the point of this hotel. What they want is to convince sinners to REDEEM themselves. Banging them is not a way to go about it, bud!

-- My predictions about Angel being a sex joke are correct. I'm mean- they've always been correct, I'm just saying I had a feeling they were going to show it off more in the show.

-- Vaggie: "No, we can't force sinners to stay here. They need to choose to."

Angel Dust: "Well, I chose to stay here and I think it's all stupid."

No shit- The only reason why u agreed to stay is for the free rent. So don't go marking yourself as a good example.

-- I don't totally have a problem with this show being a musical as long as the timing is right. Charlie is so quick to tell Vaggie about a meeting she'll participate in and is excited about, but before Vaggie can even question it and talk to her, Charlie immediately starts singing without even hearing Vaggie out. They kinda rushed this musical number a little too quickly. Which only goes to show how fast-paced this episode is. It's always fast-pacing with these shows.

-- I have the sudden urge to jump inside this show and beat the ever-loving crap outta Angel if keeps on moaning and getting horny . . .

-- Angel continuously flirts and touches an obviously uncomfortable Husk and fans are going to look at this as "cute" while I look in annoyance and disgust. And once again, this is the same guy we're supposed to feel bad for because he has a pimp who inflicts the same actions that he does and fans will choose to ignore it.

-- Adam is practically the most irritating character in this series so far. I was right with what I said about him before. For someone who's supposed to be an angel he sure as hell doesn't act like it. The whole time he's on screen, he's just making jokes, ridiculing the hell out of Charlie, and not listening to her at all. Continuously cussing and talking about dicks??? He has the most cringiest dialogue ever and I had the urge to skip it every time he's on screen. Something tells me he and Lute should switch positions since she seems more professional.

-- Charlie: Sinners make mistakes, but everyone makes mistakes.

Charlie, I know where you're trying to get at sweetheart, but I really hope you don't include all the rapists, murderers, abusers, and pedophiles down below. Do you really think they qualify as someone who can be redeemed? If so, I would have to side with the angels here despite their antagonistic behavior. I would understand trying to rehab drug addicts, alcoholics, robbers, etc. but definitely not the former.

Now that I think about it, Charlie is kind of acting like Viv in this scenario where she tries to excuse these criminalistic behaviors most of her characters committed when they really don't deserve anything good happening to them. That's like trying to redeem Valentino for pimping and abusing Angel Dust. Do we really think Val is capable of redemption??

Sorry to burst your bubble Ms. Morningstar, but the angels are in the right here. Hell exists for a reason and people who do bad things and like to do bad things deserve to be there. I wouldn't bother trying to rehab sinners who don't deserve it or are not going to try to fix their behavior.

-- Lute: Angels don't make mistakes . . .

Then what does that say about Lucifer? He was an angel who caused some actions that you guys would count as mistakes therefore expelling him from heaven. You guys never even attempted to exterminate him yet.

-- I'm sorry, I don't like Brandon Rogers as Killjoy. It's literally just a demon version of one of his characters. It's nothing original like the pilot.

So that is what I think about the first episode. If I forget to mention something, i'll just edit the post. Won't be too long before I make some comments about the second one, but for now, the gist of everything is . . . it's bleh.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me!!

#hazbin hotel #hazbin husk #hazbin alastor #hazbin hotel alastor #hazbin #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel critique #angel dust critical #hazbin angel dust #hazbin charlie #anti hazbin hotel #anti huskerdust

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floralkittygambler · 3 months

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How does it feel to be wrong on how huskerdust is “toxic” now that the show is out 😂😂😂

Hi Anon! Firstly, I’ve decided to move away from Viv and her toxic fandom so apologies if this response is late. I must say it is interesting that you’ve lurked so long to do this, and anonymously too.

Angel sexually harasses Husk. Husk sung a song that compares his situation (involving no SA from Alastor) to Angels and calls him a loser and whiny bitch. That’s pretty invalidating to one’s experiences as well as making it all about himself because he’s miserable and unable to deal with it healthily outside of alcohol.

Before you tell me that I’m “misunderstanding” the lyrics like a great deal of rabid fans, let’s just say personal experience gives me great insight to how nasty this comes across. Not to mention no actual build up for the relationship, the points I made about Pilot and IG, etc etc.

I don’t know if you’re one of HunterGirl’s little groupies, if you are, don’t you find it unprofessional that staff allow such toxicity within their fans? Rhetorical. Regardless, it is toxic. It’s poorly written. And that extends to the entirety of Hazbin, Helluva, and Spindle itself plus its community.

So briefly, I was never wrong about the toxicity. If you feel differently, that’s your opinion. But to lurk until this moment to strike, anonymously, is intriguing. Especially since this blog is hardly used.

Regardless, you’re fully entitled to your opinions and feelings, as am I. You’re free to enjoy the show, and hopefully you are enjoying the show. I hope it lives up to your expectations. I hope you have fun. And I do encourage healthier behaviours. We’re polarised. Why should you care about what I have to say - even with personal experiences - if you disagree and wish to indulge? Enjoy yourself and your life. Continue to hold your opinion. I won’t change your mind and you won’t change mine. Maybe this is to “rub it in” but I don’t take it as such. I do recommend a better focus. One that is healthier to you. I’ve drowned in enough of the vitriol Viv and her influence rot. It serves my health no good and she’ll reap as we all do. I suggest you do the same. If you enjoy it, and don’t find it toxic, then relish as long as you don’t behave like a prick. To me, it’s toxic, so I embrace healthier habits. I live my life.

I know this is a massive tangent, but what I’m trying to get across - outside of the question itself - is better influence. The least I can do is present to you good self care. If you enjoy it, enjoy it and stick with those who do. For myself and others who’ve been through trauma, that episode was extremely distasteful (though some felt seen and I will not take from that). So… I simply keep a healthy distance from her shit now. I’ve seen the fandom be the most vile, subtly enticed by the staff. The least I can do is encourage better habits to counter how despicable people have been encouraged to act.

TLDR; I disagree, agree to disagree, please don’t pick up toxicity from the fandom. None of this is sarcasm.

#Ask #vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #anti huskerdust #Added that last tag bc I saw it once that’s it haha #Encourage the reduction of toxicity #Agree to disagree #sorry it’s long

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206ofgoodomensdestoryedme · 3 months

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(TW: SEXUAL HARASSMENT MENTIONED + ADDICTIONS MENTIONED)

i seriously cannot function knowing people think that huskerdust can actually work. 1. HUSK MENTIONED HE CANT FEEL LOVE. 2. ANGEL AND HUSK NEED TIME TO FOCUS ON THEMSELVES; angel dust needs time to think about himself, work on himself, AND get away from valentino. he can't just POOF BAM POP be put together to be put into a relationship. it's not how things work. valentino is a messed up psychopathic freak that has ruined angel dust's hell... and i get it, it's hell and it's not supposed to be a good thing.. but if we are going to put demons together without putting it through ur head that it wouldn't work.. i need to talk about it.

the song was made to show trust between the two of them, that they understand each other. it was NOT a love song. just because they held hands, it's because they understand each other and were comfortable enough to share their experiences with each other. (as friends) ONLY FRIENDS. and it makes me incredibly anger and frustrated. angel dust SEXUALLY HARASSED husk for the whole time they've been at this hotel. you can not expect them to just become lovers after having so much happen to them. just because they can relate to each other, it doesn't mean that they can just become partners. they both need time to heal from addictions and for angel, he needs to get away from valentino. they were humans once, they understand human emotions. hurt people getting together can lead to horrible miscommunication and toxic relationships. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH THEY NEED TIME TO HEAL... even if it doesn't really do anything including that they are in hell and will be there, for the rest of their existence. they need a good friend more then they need love.

addictions are a pain in the ass, and it's incredibly hard to quit. if they have a friend to guide them through everything, that can relate to them. if would be great for them if they can talk through everything together and have an actual deep conversation if they ever wanted to pursue something more deep. and if the writers do that, they NEED to talk, talking can go a long way. me personally, i could never see them together (plus that husk was canonically aro,,)

also, NO I BET MONEY ON IT THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO KISS IN THIS SCENE IF THEY DIDN'T GET INTERRUPTED. THEY WEREN'T. I'M TELLING YOU

#anti huskerdust #huskerdust #hazbin hotel #hazbin angel dust #hazbin husk #literally just my opinion not that big of a deal #im #a #loser #baby

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sawmaxxing · 3 months

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My hazbin hotel ship opinions <3!

Changed my opinion bc the first one I made was before I watched episode 8 (charlie has more chemistry w/ emily than vaggie)

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duaghterofstories · 1 month

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I will not be elaborating or defending myself. 😘

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hazshit-hotel-hater · 22 days

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I keep thinking about him and im like “man he looks really sad for 37” and then I remember thats just my headcanon and Vivzie actually draws him like hes twelve and I get mad

I will post more long content and hatred soon I promise

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almacambiondaughterofsaleos · 3 months

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Two Canon Ships Badly Handled

I know they were popular in the fandom, especially the latter with how much material it had but now canon shows it really has the same problems that Helluva Boss did with it's ships.

For Chaggie it's the fact that you feel no chemistry between them and Vaggie really like Millie is just so attached to her partner that she has personality outside of it. While you can look at it as functional, I really want more investment if they actually acted more couple like and Vaggie was more independent from Charlie. Seriously, we know more about characters like Carmilla than we do about the girlfriend of the main character of the series. That's just straight up bad writing.

For Huskerdust, I was actually rooting for this to happened and loved the stuff fans made of it. However, the execution is really showing to be bad due to the fact it feels rushed and "Loser, Baby" comes off as tone deaf in handling abuse. Husker seems to treat his problems the same as his when it's not. And it comes off as brushing off someone in a worse situation. And again while not as toxic as Stolitz, it still has mixed messages due to Angel harassing him and the fact that he quickly warms up to him in one episode with no build up.

Again just showing once and time before Vivziepop has no understanding of good relationships should be written or portrayed.

#chaggie #huskerdust #husker #vaggie #angel dust #helluva boss #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique #vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #vivziepop #anti-vivziepop #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critical #anti-hazbin hotel #anti-hazbin

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darklinaforever · 2 months

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Charlie... if only you could be with Alastor or Emily. I'm sure it offered a more interesting storyline. Or even just that Vaggie is better written, including her relationship with Charlie... I really find Chaggie to be the weakest romantic / couple relationship in the Vivziepop universe, when they have so much potential ! It frustrates me !Fizzmodeus / Fizzarozzie, Moxillie, Stolitz, Huskerdust, CherriSnake are better written for me. And even StaticMoth and Lucilith (my babies, I want so much thaht Charlie's parents reunite !) seem more interesting !

THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, NO HATE IN THE COMMENTS PLEASE !

#charlastor #radiobelle #royalhalo #anti chaggie ?#fizzarozzie #fizzmodeus #moxillie #stolitz #huskerdust #cherrisnake #lucilith #staticmoth #hazbin hotel #helluvaverse #helluva boss #vivziepop #viziepop #vivienne medrano

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ms-cartoon · 3 months

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Y'know, even at this point, I still don't see how these two would even be friends.

I mean yeah, maybe they can get along and relate a little bit to one another. Maybe they can care a little bit about each other behind closed doors. But anything along the lines of being attached, best friends, platonic friends, boyfriends (hopefully not)? I just don't see it. I wouldn't recommend it. Even during this entire bullshit musical number, I still don't sense any chemistry. And it's not just because of the song or what the point of it all was.

The dynamic between these two is thought out so poorly and Viv is only forcing it at this point. She might as well only be pushing this ship because her fans want it to happen.

Cuz there is no taking away the fact that Angel is a constant uncomfortable flirt with Husk. Pushing his boundaries, touching him, and talking dirty. Obviously, Husk is rightfully annoyed by it and has all the reason in the world to not like Angel, no matter what trauma he goes through. Not to mention he was talking a lot of mess to Angel this episode, and it really upset him. And now that they had a heart-to-heart talk (which I don't see how that had any impact on their dynamic cuz there's hardly anything similar between them) it's all water under the bridge?? I never even heard Angel apologize for how he behaved around Husk. Like what- just cuz that's the kind of person he is and it's a trauma response, that means it's okay and he shouldn't feel sorry??? I get so sick and tired of that crappy excuse!!

What is it with Viv and shipping her characters with harassers???

The arguments that they have feel so sudden and forced anyway. I feel like the only reason why it happened was so that their relationship could feel earned later, but it just doesn't work.

As a matter of fact, Husk shouldn't even have been the one to chase after Angel. If anything, I think CHARLIE should've gone after Angel and had a talk with him! Cuz not only would it have been a chance for this episode to be focused on her (THE MAIN CHARACTER IN VIV's FEMALE-CENTERED SHOW) This could've been a chance for Angel to probably have more trust and care for Charlie which he never had in the first place. Especially when Charlie sort of got him in trouble with Valentino. She wanted to apologize to Angel so badly? Freakin go after him and say ur sorry! Why are you wasting your time on these silly ass notes!! Maybe this could've been a chance for Charlie to learn how bad Angel has it and that not every sinner who's as troubled as him could easily make a change for the better. And if Husk absolutely has to be centered as well, have him be shown enough times as Charlie was.

This show could've had a chance to be female-focused as Viv said it would be, but she and Adam blew it by the time episode 2 was uploaded cuz she favors all her male characters and ships much more than the opposite sex.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin husk #critisism #hazbin critique #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin criticism #hazbin critical #huskerdust critical #anti huskerdust #anti angel dust

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just-some-random-girl · 1 month

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Not that i'm complaining tho, HuskerDust FTW. It's just funny to me how RadioDust used to be the #1 fan favorite ship based solely on one interaction whereas HuskerDust took years to become one of the top ships because their relationship is actually developing right now, and RadioDust is pretty much dead now because they haven't spoken to each other since that one scene in the pilot.

#hazbin hotel #huskerdust #angelhusk #anti radiodust #angel dust #hazbin hotel husk #alastor

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holly-opal · 24 days

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Poison reprise (Hazbin hotel rewrite)

Sung by Angel to Husk.

"Oh no your not poison, your far from poison

Addicted to this feeling, I can't help but smile at you.

Your not poison.

I made my choice, and now every night, I'm going to kiss you like there's no tomorrow.

Oh-oh, oh-oh

You got my heart in a chokehold, baby, I want to spend eternity with you

I'll be yours

Our story's gonna end with me and you, dancing around the poison."

Sorry if it's not that great, I'm not good at writing songs 😅

#hazbin hotel husk #hazbin hotel angel dust #hazbin hotel characters #hazbin hotel rewrite #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel huskerdust #huskerdust

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doodlezandoodlez · 2 months

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chaggie re-redesigns + huskerdust redesigns

#hazbin hotel #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel redesign #hazbin hotel rewrite #hazbin hotel charlie #charlie morningstar #hazbin hotel vaggie #vaggie #hazbin hotel angel dust #angel dust #hazbin hotel husk #husk #chaggie #huskerdust

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demiaroacejolynekujo · 3 months

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Huskerdust is a better MLM ship than Stolitz.

#hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel critique #huskerdust #anti stolitz

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lugiautism · 1 year

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x x x / x x x / x x x

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pxppermxnt-tea · 1 year

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EVERYONE WHO'S FOLLOWING ME SHUT UP AND READ THIS

MY GRANDPA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT HAZBIN SHIPS AND HE SAID VAGGIE X HUSK WOULD BE A GOOD SHIP AND OMG

HE'S SO RIGHT MY GRANDFATHER HAS BEEN FUCKING BLESSED

THE FANART FOR IT IS SO WHOLESOME TOO

I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT

#reblog #hazbin husk #hazbin vaggie #huskerdust can suck my big phat nonexistent balls after this wonderful blessing has been graced to me #antishippers fuck off #“vaggie was raped by a man 🥺🥺🥺” so was I now shut up #proship #anti dni #antis dni #anti anti #proshipping #tw proship #tw proshipper #hazbin hotel #huskerdust dni this post is not for you

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hazshit-hotel-hater · 2 months

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Since Viv still somehow cannot decide on what Angel overdosed on. I am taking my liberties and doing it my goddamn self. I will also be formatting this into a summary of what I think a good small backstory scene could be like while also giving Angel a safespace and bonding experience.

It’s in the tags but WARNING there is discussion of drug abuse and overdosing in this summary.

Urg, okay, Vague but also kind of not vague angel backstory stuff because ig viv cant make up her mind on her own OCs backstory

Angel is lying in bed with Husk sitting at the edge as per usual, and Angel starts talking about a few mild personal things (mental struggles, work, general issues, etc) and Husk suggests taking something mild to help him relax and sleep so he gets up and gets him a few pills and puts them in Angel’s hand; says its Benadryl just to help him sleep a bit, but notices quickly that Angel is suspiciously reluctant to take or even look at the pills. Obviously, he asks what's up and is met with the answer of, “Nothin’ I just don’t… use that stuff.” It piques Husk’s interest, and asks if it doesn’t work for Angel, who responds with, “It definitely works.” but ultimately, Husk decides not to pry; however, he lets Angel know he’s open to listen if it’s something he feels like he wants to talk about.

Angel, being weirdly stubborn but also becoming a bit more open with Husk by this time, takes a few minutes to actually say something but eventually informs Husk that it was something he used to try and get high off and had some really good and really bad trips with, but it was the drug that ultimately led to him suffering an overdose and never waking up after it. Both of them are quiet for a bit until Husk gets up and searches for something else to help Angel sleep and, once again, places a few small pills in his hand and says he can try these, but if not, he can try something else without pills. Angel is still reluctant but ends up accepting the offer and proceeds to carefully assort the pills into little categories, saying it’s something he ‘needs to do’. Husk doesn’t push further than that and watches Angel take the pills before the other lays down again.

Things once again go silent for a good ten or so minutes until Husk notices Angel uncomfortably folding his hands over his stomach but mentions that pills always make him feel queasy to an extent and that he only takes them with other people around so he’s distracted from the discomfort they give him. In an attempt to calm Angel’s apparent nerves on the topic, he decides to sit with the other until Angel falls asleep. Eventually, Husk follows suit, with both of them waking up the next morning and Angel giving a relieved and grateful, albeit shaky, sigh. The next morning consists of Angel thanking Husk but ends with the two coming to an agreement that next time Angel can't sleep, a liquid medication approach would be better.

I don’t know if I’ll ever do a full fledged writing of this, but the concept of triggers is something I’ve personally yet to see stated in Hazbin Hotel. This would be a good way to discuss clear lingering trauma Angel has while still treating it with the gentleness the character needs and severity the topic needs. Benadryl was also just becoming a thing around the 1940’s so it makes sense for this to be something Angel very likely could’ve overdosed on. The topic of common triggers is something interesting too; I’ve seen that in other media obviously but even though I know we won’t get it, it’d be nice to see the caution around said trigger and very slowly seeing the character become more open to it if it is a common thing like this. Not everyone will get over triggers and I myself also used to have a strained relationship with a certain pill like this, but there is always the chance that you will be able to use it somewhat normally again.

If this were to happen I’d be fine with it if Angel never got over the discomfort of pills, but much later on in the series if we saw him take some kind of antihistamine casually and comfortably it’d be really nice to see that kind of growth. And as for Husk, I’d like to see him be less shame-y with Angel’s struggles like he was in Episode 6. Since we’ve basically lost Cherri Bomb as his safespace from external stressors, I really think Angel will benefit from an actually deeply caring friend, especially one that doesn’t overstep his boundaries and doesn’t encourage self destructive behaviour. The same goes for Angel by the way, I’m really pissed that they didn’t have Angel apologise for harassing Husk and everyone else. It really is not that hard to at least try to have him feel sorry about that sort of thing. Fuck, here’s something I wrote in like 20 minutes.

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It’d be really nice to have someone to talk to, honestly, even though he didn’t speak to Husk very much at all prior to this; he was looking forward to it a little more now. Coming home… er… coming back to the hotel after work and chatting casually at a bar was just… something about it sounded so… calm. Sure, he could go to a random bar and flirt with some rando, but talking with an actual acquaintance while having a few drinks seemed so freeing. Not having to worry about someone staring at him from across the room and getting approached about some kind of ‘offer’ outside.

God, he fucking hated that... “Fuck…” Soft smile melding into a grimace, Angel began to chew slower and slower until he eventually stopped altogether and harshly swallowed. He’d probably been making Husk feel gross like that for ages now. Obviously, he’d seen the disgruntled faces he’d get in return for flirting, but he’d never actually thought about it like that until now. He couldn’t even say, ‘for some reason, it made him feel gross’; he knew exactly why; coming to terms with that, on the other hand, was a lot more uncomfortable than he’d imagined. “Hey, uh… Not to damper the mood, but… I…”His chest puffed as he took a deep breath, and each word pulled Angel to avert his gaze further from his food and the cat sitting across from him. “I was gonna say… I’m sorry for bein’ weird and touchin’ your face yesterday…” As he spoke up, his voice lightly cracked near the end of his sentence. “And when we were filmin’ the hotel commercial… And every time I’ve put my legs on ya lap… And any otha time I did somethin’ like that.”

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I haven’t even finished this writing yet (I’ll likely add the rest when I do finish it) but you can see that it genuinely is not that hard to fit in an apology.

Anyway I hope you guys enjoyed my little Angel Dust ideas. Be prepared for more eventually

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