I'm familiar with the usual fandom racism bingo scenarios by now, all that being said it's interesting to have confirmation that a lot of Penelope stans are projecting their unresolved anger at the girls they were jealous of growing up (or had bad experiences with) onto characters and worse their actresses.

Simone Ashley existing and being thin doesn't make her a mean girl. I get it, being bullied as a kid can be a very traumatic experience and I'll never make light of that. I will however suggest that you process your pain in therapy so that you're not being horrible to perfect strangers who never wronged you.

idk if you have your questions open but, what did you think of polin??? i was disgusted by the carriage scene honestly, to see a fat face there was baaaad!!! im sure you are a skinny girl so you wil get me, its not nice. In s1 and s2 we had phoebe and simone, two skinny girs who look pretty being kiss. This girls had double chin

Obviously this is a bait, because you did not like that I had ignored your other asks and you chose another approach, based on what you think anti Polins think (and quite a gap between your imagination and my own experience! i find it concerning). Congratulation, you have added some "new perspective" in your discourse, however your style is still painfully recognizable. Well, at least I can take advantage of this to send a message to others that might have the same idea.

Fatphobia is not tolerated in this house.

Here we don't like characters that use people for their own gains, ruin them, and still think everything is unfair and they never need to make amends. Here we also don't like people or characters that send anonymous insults to other people.

Stop focusing on Penelope's shape of body, that's weird. She is beautiful, that never was questioned.

Any other ask like that will be thrown to the bin where it belongs.

And, seriously, get a life. Projecting so much is not good for the health.

Why accusations of Eloise being a White Feminist don't hold up.

Eloise isn't actively choosing to exploit other women's oppression for her own self gain.

Eloise isn't actively choosing to ignore other women's oppression for her own self gain.

Eloise isn't refusing to learn about other women's oppression for her own self gain.

Eloise isn't refusing to learn about other women's oppression.

Eloise is choosing to learn.

No one around her wants her to learn. They want her to know less, not more. They want her to focus on getting a husband, not challenging the patriarchy.

Eloise is choosing to go beyond her comfort zone, mix with others, learn with others, take other people's situations into account. Eloise has a very limited understanding of the world because her education has been limited. It has been "How To Get A Man 101". Everything beyond that, Eloise has chosen to learn about herself.

Eloise is on a learning arc. But not only is she learning and growing as a character, she is actually making the choice to learn and grow. Flawed characters being on a journey and learning as they go along is common, it's pretty much every lead character in Bridgerton. But Eloise is the character who is choosing to learn for learning sake, who is choosing to develop her understanding of the world and find out more about the lives of people beyond her set.

Bridgerton states from season one, through Simon and Lady Danbury, to season two, with the Sharmas, to Queen Charlotte, from the beginning episode to the end spelled out clear as day, that racism exists in this world and many of the characters of colors have been impacted by it in some way. And, supposedly, I'm supposed to believe that Marina, that Kate and Edwina, that they all had more privilege and power than Penelope? No, I don't think so, a lot of things aren't right with that statement.

Also ngl I kinda love the concept of Debling courting Penelope and Colin getting jealous because of it, not because I ship it (he’s barely a character) or because I’m part of the crowd that wants to see Colin ~suffer (though I’m not opposed to seeing him dramatically yearn), but because the reason Penelope specifically is going after this vegan man is so fascinating to me. Like, she obviously doesn’t love him. But she will marry him to protect LW… she’ll marry him to please Portia, that’s so funny.

Girl’s so desperate to escape her awful family life while at the same time keeping her secret, but she also wants her mother’s approval. And she’s so caught up in that toxic mindset that she completely misses the guy she’s been in love with since childhood making heart eyes at her from across the ballroom.

Pen only has her parents’ terrible marriage as a frame of reference, so she probably thinks it’s a bonus if her future husband is much older than her because that could make her a young widow. He’ll leave the country for the majority of the year to fuck off to Antarctica? Oh to be left alone by your own life partner!!!

Meanwhile Portia is enthusiastically nodding behind Penelope like yes, perhaps he’ll die at sea, and neither of them think there’s anything wrong with this outlook in life.

Hilarious.

Season 3 part 2 will be Ass. Let me Tell You Why.

Cause in the end, Penelope, Lady Whistledown, the one who has left devastation in people’s lives will get all what she wants. The man that she wants, the attention that she wants, the family she always wanted to be(so envious of them she talked shit about them ), will get her best friend back, might have the heir for that dumbass Featherington plot line, might get the Queen’s pardon and above all else, will most likely not give up LW cause they made LW such an integral part of the show.(so in that case, she’ll be even more filthy rich)

And if we go by leaked spoilers, it is said that Colin will be mad at Penelope for like 1 episode until Kanthony talks some “sense” into him. So that just tells me Kanthony will be OOC because there’s no damn way Anthony would let that beast comment about his wife slide.

There are no stakes when it comes to this season cause we all know how it’s finna go down. If Penelope gets any type of consequences, then her very undeserved HEA is doomed so everything is going to have to go her way for the already idiotic plot to make some form of sense. It’s like the love triangle in part 1, what the hell was the point of Lord Debling when everyone and their ancestors knew Colin and Penelope were end game? So we can see Colin’s cringe angst? If we already know the answer to the love triangle, there’s no point. The “find you a husband” plot line was stupid as shit anyway, but it’s whatever now.

Ugh, then we have to sit through more awkward love scenes between asshat 1 and 2

Eloise threatening Penelope with her LW identity is going to amount to nothing cause we know Penelope isn’t gonna receive any comeuppance. Matter of fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made Eloise apologize to Penelope for…🤷🏾‍♂️🤷(let’s apologize to the toxic friend for not dealing with their toxicity)

For Penelope to have a happy ending, she has to get away scot free and that’s what boils my blood. I hate in media and literature when a character goes around, creates chaos and receives nothing for it or just a slap on a wrist. I’ve noticed an increase in it lately too. Also, I’m tired of writers not severing their bias from their writing. I’ve been encountering many series lately where the writer(s) have favoritism towards a specific character and gives them the easy route, bends the world for them and pull punches just because they like them so much. It’s really aggravating cause you see everyone else getting put through the wringer and then you see the favored character walking through Candyland. It hurts the story, the character, and frankly makes you hate the character.

Everyone around Penelope is gonna act brain dead in order for Penelope to get what she wants and I’m not here for it. Even the general audience ain’t for it. The only people cheering this madness are the asylum patients called Polin fans with delusions that Penelope deserves the world.

I’m not even looking forward to Francesca and John’s story cause of the Poolin fecal matter I’ll have to swim through to get there. At this point, I’m might just watch spoilers of part 2 cause it’s not worth it.

P.S. Watch Cressida get the short end of the stick cause she’s the “bully” of the show and Penelope is the “victim”. Watch them break Creloise because of the “I don’t want you hanging around Eloise” subplot which will ultimately fuel Eloise and Penelope becoming friends again. Also, Penelope and Cressida competed for Lord Debling just for Penelope to go “sike” and marry Colin so she wasted Debling’s time and made Cressida feel like shit because she wasn’t chosen. P.S.S- Polins are huge ass hypocrites cause they ragged on Eloise being privileged and having “everything” but are silent about Penelope being privileged. By the end of this season, Penelope will basically have everything, even more so than Eloise, but sure, Penelope is definitely not privileged 😑. Penelope is privileged inside the world and outside by production, why are we denying this?

'Pen should get revenge on all the women in her life by fucking their male relatives and spouses', bitch the only person she will be fucking is herself.

I read somewhere that pen fans are mostly projecting on her how they wish they could be with their bullers in school and as a wallflower and plus size girl i cant agree more. People skinny and arrogant (like you, you apparently as you hate a plus size like that) are bullers and such sh*t people and i wish i could revenge like that and make money out of it. It gives you power. Is that so bad?? I could NEVER feel representen by such vile people as simone ashley and phoebe dynevor.

What the fuck kind of ask is this? You don't know me at all.

I'm a plus size woman, was a wallflower when I was in high school and I started off S1 loving Penelope, I thought: "Finally some plus size representation for someone who has my body shape and size! And she seems so sweet and nice!"

I had never read the books so I didn't know she was LW until the final moment of the finale. And then I went: "What the fuck. This girl is an evil bitch."

So don't you dare come in here, pretending you know me. Calling me a skinny and arrogant or any of the shit you sit there and accuse me of this shit, you self serving, fucker.

I was (and still am tbh) a plus size wallflower.... And I don't sit here and fucking fantasizing about ruining people's lives who 'wronged' me b/c I'm not a fucking psychopath like you.

I DESPERATELY want more POSITIVE plus size representation in Hollywood. But Penelope Featherington isn't that at all. She's a psychopathic narcissist who gets off on ruining other people's (namely women) lives and doesn't deserve the praise ya'll sling at her day in and day out.

I’M FUCKING SCREAMING.

Some Pen/Polin stan paid Ruby Barker (aka Marina) on Cameo to tell their friend that Pen was in the right and that Marina was in the wrong.

And then she spends almost 5 minutes DRAGGING Penelope and telling them if they wanted to hear Pen defense maybe they could ask Nicola for her side of the story. 

They really wasted $20 just to get dragged for their fave being a ‘dickhead’. (her words but she’s right) 

Polin stans continue their ‘we’re all unhinged’ tour I see b/c what would posses you to even ask her to do that in the first place. 

The way the lot of you claims to love complex and difficult women until it's penelope featherington.

And why should we be surprised and offended on Queen's Charlotte's behalf when she only looks at Penelope with disdain and disgust

someone told me that polin pen shippers who hate Marina for existing are like that woman maggie on that Netlfix show baby reindeer talks and thinks exactly like her and I can’t unhear or unsee it now bc it’s so true it’s the way that woman acted towards the bipoc therapist that’s exactly how polin pen stans who hate Marina act towards M and same goes for Polin Edwina Pen Colin haters who are all Kate kanthony Simone Ben stans are basically the same they really just essentially that same 👩🏻 but all size woc instead which makes perfect sense!

This how they look and sound to me and i can prove it from their tiktok instas and twt accs but I’ll be the bad guy if I prove it every single one of them without fail they all look and sound exactly like this woman which is why I just feel so sorry for them so much pity for them like baby reindeer did for Martha that’s how I feel about every kanthony Kate SA EL ben stan who hates on Edwina Charithra Polin Luke Nicola and every polin Penelope stan who hates on Marina which is why I just delete all their stuff asks or hate towards me or mainly polin and Edwina bc this how you sound and look to me and I feel so sorry for you like I pity you so much!

even more if you hate on the actors of the show bc of your dislike to the characters they play that’s next level insanity which I just can’t deal with sorry I just can’t!

or I just block them bc the pity is so strong it started making me feel like I had this big ego which I don’t thankfully it was just one acc tho @antipolin sure it was bc their @ name was ugly and uncreative but not shocking considering that woman in the series is also very uncreative in her delusion 😂 shes #1 girly that sounded and for sure looks her but probably is bipoc that reminds me of Martha fyi go watch the show it’s good sad based on true story probably why i see so many of her in this fandom it’s crazy this first time ever

I could never take them seriously hating on actors for doing a job is straitjacket behaviour miserable losers!

Edit because of some replies I got: I deleted a paragraph about Eloise's reaction to the Marina and Colin thing because I had misremembered and was wrong. Also added an anti-eloise tag because even though I'm not anti-Eloise, the post isn't pro-eloise

I have thoughts about Eloise Bridgerton and I'm dumping them in this post. Before I start dumping I do want to say that in no way am I some Penelope stan who thinks she is perfect in every way and my issues with Eloise are critiques of her character that I’m sure will be fixed once there is more focus on her storyline.

I have 2 problems with Eloise: 1) the fact that she seems to be unable to accept or understand her privilege; and 2) that she can't seem to understand other people's pov's.

Eloise can't seem to comprehend or understand her own privilege. Now I know that we haven't reached her season yet meaning her character development has yet to come but it's so infuriating and irritating to watch Eloise because she is so privileged but can't seem to acknowledge or be grateful for it. I also fully acknowledge that because it's the Regency era, we can't expect intersectional feminism but I'm still annoyed lol. We see her go to these rallies and get Theo entangled in her shit without seeming to be able to understand that whilst what she is doing won't really affect her (just fulfil her curiosity), Theo (who needs a job because he isn't rich) may lose his job. She can't seem to understand that whilst she can get away with not being married, someone like Penelope can't. The Bridgerton's are super rich and that means Eloise could live an unmarried life if she wants to but for Kate or Penelope, financial security in London means marriage. She may think she is above all of the marriage market stuff but for many of the other women in it, it is their way of ensuring they (and their parents and future children) live a safe, comfortable life without the fear of being homeless or without money. I also have a very strong feeling that if these political rallies and events led to the financial and social downfall of her family, she would not be as "radical" as she is. Whilst (like I said), intersectional feminism can't be expected from the Regency period, I feel like these are privileges that can be acknowledged.

She also seems so stuck in her own worldview. I remember all the stuff she said to Daphne in season 1, acting as if Daphne shouldn't be wanting to get married, without understanding why Daphne would want or need to marry and marry well. When she is (rightfully) mad at Penelope for writing about her and Theo in LW, she also doesn't seem to realise that the scandal hadn't really affected her family much at all and also that it's not like someone else hadn't seen her see Theo. Even if Penelope never wrote about it in LW, it still would have gotten out, like the Queen knew for fucks sake. She always gives me the vibe of "if you don't understand or agree with my worldview, then you are what is wrong with society" without bothering to try and understand other people's views, just shoving them off as "wrong". She also doesn't seem to understand that Bridgerton's status is almost unbreakable, relatively little effort is needed for them to maintain their status in society and scandal doesn't affect them at all or if it does, it doesn't affect them for long. For others, especially the Featheringtons, don't have the same privilege. 1 wrong move and they lose everything, they are ridiculed and looked down upon by a lot of society.

LMK if I should do more Bridgerton posts (if I do, I won't do the books because icba with anything other then the show lol)

Well, you saying you dont know the answer of what should happened to Pen tells me more than anything. What she did it wasnt that badN it wasnt that important. Really, marina like went really well, eloise have the pretty never bad bridgertons and all the money and beauty and the protection of her brother ( unlike Colin Who is hate by him) . Are you telling you are naking that problem for a silly beast comment?? Im sure you had call poor fst girl worst in school and here you are. You just hate her for the sake of it. Thats the truth, if your dislike was genuine for her actions you would knlw the answer. Just what i thought. Another buller. And please dont lie, you didnt like Pen from books either. For Kate and Anthony you base their personalities with the ones in the books ( she is nit a family person in the show) but for Pen you dont think of that cute girls in the book and críticamente the writer like you did with KA, you blame Pen, the wallflower

Just because the consequences are any less dire because others persons intervened doesn't erase that what show Penelope wrote was actually ruinous and malicious and could have been disastrous. It's actually quite sad that in need to defend her, you have to dismiss others' suffering, and banalize what she writes, what she makes money of.

One laughable thing is that you don't actually seem to have grasped that I was being sarcastic while saying "oh, I don't know". Had you read the entire post, you would have had your answer. What should happen to her? Well, show Penelope should learn that her words have consequences, can hurt people, ostracize them, ruin them. She should learn that she could have made Marina ostracized by her words, prompting the girl to dangerous options, just because she did not want her crush to marry her, and that it is not ok (and it even backfired on her, because by association, there was that disgrace on her family that prompted Eloise to seek LW to do something about it). She should learn that calling someone a beast, especially a WOC, certainly for comic relief, or even insulting anyone like that is not ok. That antagonizing the queen was never a good idea in the first place. She should learn that she cannot criticize one for not doing something when she actually made sure that person was stopped from actually doing anything about it, else it is very hypocritical. That by unravelling everyone's dirty laundry and even twisting things at her convenience, of course it can have dire consequences and she is responsible for it.

That doesn't mean she can't make amends. That she deserves to be unloved and alone for the rest of her life, or to be bullied. Just that she should aspire to be a better person (she certainly could have the power to inspire more reflection about social classes, the status of women, etc), and not one that thrives on others'misery while still maintaining a holier-than-thou attitude. I certainly cannot root for that last kind of person.

You keep bringing up the body, the wallflower parts. You keep patting yourself in the shoulder, telling yourself you are right. At this point, it seems you are making your own story and do not read at all what I actually said. I can see clearly you need to vent and have your enemy (any unresolved issues, perhaps), and anyone would do, and perhaps it must feel very satisfying to throw hateful words while being anonymous, for you do so on and on (I will certainly not read the others that are rotting in my inbox, and that will find their place in the bin). It is still very much a coward and a bully's move.

Hi, I was going through some Polin posts on reddit and I found some of the worst takes and felt like sharing them with you bc I needed to rant lol.

"She took advantage of him for 2 reasons. 1. Because of his genuine friendship with Penelope, he was closer to her inner circle and 2. It was clear that he was impressionable, eager to be loved, and easily manipulated which is exactly what she needed. Marina did not love him in the slightest and she says as much later as she immediately belittles him even when he still believes himself to be in love with her. She didn't WANT an old, convenient, easily foolable man: she felt she was deserved a cute idiot she could trick."

Honestly Polin fans are truly the worst. It really just comes down to "how dare Marina get temporally between my favorite fictional couple for 5 mins"

Oh the horror. Marina didn't want to be married to a lech that obviously intended to have his "husbandly rights." You know what she did deserve? A husband who would mistreat or ill use her and force her children to grow up in an abusive household. Yes, she chose a nice man around her age who she liked and hoped she could build a happy family with.

The Polin fandom is intensely sexist and racist. Their attitude comes down to "if Marina didn't want to be forced into marriage with an old man who would treat her awfully, she should have kept her legs shut." Their point of view matches the very worst of the era, attitudes so vile and unforgiving that writers who actually lived back then, in the thick of that misogyny, condemned and criticised.

When it comes to Penelope I feel like a lot of her fans take any valid criticism towards her and turn it into hate, which does her character a disservice. While some people do hate on her, a lot of it holds valid reasons. Admitting that she has hurt many people isn't wrong because she has, it's been shown on throughout the show and the impacts it can have. From labeling Daphne as "unmarriageable" during her first season and events that followed, her labeling Eloise as being part of a group of rebels, the terms she used to describe Kate [and Simon]-- which carried racial undertones no matter how you try to spin it, who didn't even know personally at that point, what she did Marina. All of these were very harmful and to say that none of these characters should feel angry, that they should just forgive Penelope without any work put into it is very laughable (especially because she's still writing as Whistledown and put many, namely women, at risk during a time where reputation is everything--something in which Penelope herself faces). With this being said, criticizing her actions, at least for me, doesn't come from a complete place of hate but more so from believing that she can be better if she puts in the work. By ignoring all that she's done and having her get her happily ever after so easily in the end, to be honest, would ultimately feel lackluster. I feel like she still has room to grow, but it will take a lot of work and, I personally, think seeing her renavigate who she is with who she wants to be outside of Lady Whistledown would be very interesting.

just say u hate fat people and move on. if pen looked like eloise or daphne u'd be stanning her.

Wow, reaching on a Sunday. I guess you missed my criticisms of Daphne's behavior last season. And all the times I've criticized The Darkling, Damon Salvatore, Regina Mills, Katherine Pierce, Cindy Burman, Josie Pye, Blair Waldorf, Klaus Mikaelson, Mon-El, and Joe Goldberg all of whom are portrayed by conventionally attractive actors.

The common denominator is that I find it frustrating that people let them off the hook for their cruelty because of a tragic back story. The beauty of their faces doesn't distract me from their awful behavior. And Penelope's bad home life doesn't keep me from seeing that she's a mean girl in sheep's clothing.