'Villain apologists' when their male faves are actual bad people and super fleshed out either by how impressively written they are as antagonists or given satisfying redemption arcs instead of being pussies,conventionally attractive abusers,serial d*ddy d*ms or fascists:

I love how people bash itachi for killing the Uchiha clan and at the same time glorify Madara and Obito who also took part of the massacre. Also a reminder that Madara is the reason why the Uchiha clan were under watch and not only that he’s also the reason why a lot of people lost their lives and families thanks to Madara and obito

What are your thoughts on Madara? Wouldn't it be better if you joined Madara in the war? Why did you choosed to join Konoha? I never understood this or do maybe the author wanted it so

Hi anon! He stabbed me, so, what do you think? Join him no, but you are right, why the hell did I have to help Konoha? I did it to honour Itachi's wishes, but I shouldn't have. They didn't deserve it. I should have let them rotting in those cocoons.

Fucking hell, I can’t believe people think Sakura is the most annoying character in Naruto, when Madara Uchiha exists.

Sakura cries a lot? Madara is constantly whining and complaining about how other people ruin the world when he’s the main one doing any actual ruining, including literally sabotaging peace talks.

Sakura is a know-it-all? Madara tries to sound cultured all the time even when no one is interested in what he has to say. He can’t even insult his opponents properly and Obito has to save his insults for him. “Motley crew” indeed.

Sakura is obsessed with Sasuke? Madara is obsessed with Hashirama. He gets hyperfocused on Tsunade just because she’s his descendant.

Sakura isn’t as strong as we’re told? Madara has the biggest powerlevel dick in the show but keeps being shit in fights because he has no idea what tactics are. The Five Kage got lethal blows on him three times and Obito had to tell him why a sand cloud blocking his vision wasn’t a problem. Him being an immortal zombie was the only reason he “lived” long enough for Black Zetsu to Rinne Rebirth him.

Sakura’s skills aren’t that impressive? Madara coasted the start of the war on being an immortal zombie and having Wood Release, both of which are things KABUTO gave him and not his own abilities. His plan was also going down the drain until BLACK ZETSU put it back on track.

Sakura is useless? Madara contributes nothing meaningful to the war arc until Black Zetsu resurrects him and hands him the win condition he needs. His fight with the Five Kage? Merely slowed them down. His fight with Hashirama? Just two old men who are too stupid to realize they’re dead and buried and the world’s moved on without them yelling at each other like their personal baggage has any meaning anymore. He doesn’t even have any meaningful ideological conflict with Naruto, that was all Obito.

Sakura is an overly violent tsundere? Madara purposefully caused the disenfranchisement of the Uchiha clan in the Leaf Village by having Obito increase suspicion towards them just because they didn’t want him to lead them after he abandoned them on the battlefield against the Senju.

I mean, Madara is basically everything people claim Sakura is, but in addition to that is a douche of villain who only got as far as he did thanks to plot armor. The Reanimation Jutsu being undone should have been his undoing or at least a minor setback when he needed to be resurrected again but he somehow immediately knew how the jutsu worked better than the people who made and perfected it respectively. He also gets the ability to absorb chakra without the Rinnegan despite it repeatedly being stated to be a Rinnegan ability.

At least everything Sakura accomplishes, she does under her own power and with the guidance of teachers she managed to impress and there’s an in-universe justification to everything she can do. Madara is constantly getting outshined in the villain department by far more interesting villains than he is, mainly Kabuto and Obito. The only thing he has is power level. He’s the Majin Buu of Naruto.

Another Unpopular opinion!!! Or just my thoughts on the founders of Konoha

{not my way to title them but it is said}

I actually know Madara is an asshole and did not have to be a dick to everyone. I also know that Tobirama is also one that didn't have to be one! Hashirama too and he, get this, did not have to be one!

Separation between on what's good and bad don't need to be justified by grown adults. They did not have to pull that line and tell everyone else how they should live their lives outside from the fact that they are leaders or have a leadership complex, {idk if that's even a thing but it is now!}.

So when people critic their actions and every other leader in that universe, I just expect some little bit of self-awareness that some level of protection, needed them to be ignorant of everyone else's comfort.

Madara did not need to change anyone for his own version of peace, Tobirama did not need to feel included in everyone's lives just because they were around him, Hashirama did not need to let everyone feel included to earn his trust. But they were leaders of their own right, and I think Kishi did a great job for not toning their actions down, just who would get hurt because of it. Which, of course, meant one of them needed to be the bad guy, and Madara actually involved everyone just like he wanted… which ultimately led him to be defeated against said everyone.

Tobirama to Uchihas, Hashi with anyone with a grudge against his ambition, hope you get what I'm going for. They are all assholes.

And I know! I know every fan respectively in retrospective of the universe they live in benefiting if everyone went for what they wanted or what they were aiming to protect BUT! If you want to be critical about this, they were also people who were trying to prove what is good and what is bad. We ourselves live with each other based on our judgements on one another. There by, if they are allowed to judge, the people they wished to protect and call even with, also need to be given a chance to judge. It is in our nature to judge.

You can be critical about their actions, but my unpopular opinion, {or my thoughts at least}, ultimately is I know they were, and a bit too much given they had their chance to be in control over the people... which ultimately led them to be assholes.

[Did not speak about Izuna cause Izuna as a character didn't speak to the readers. The eyes that foretell on everything else is also possessed by one who has them. Outside them are none the wiser so according to the plot, it goes with the majority unfortunately]

kinda hysterical to me that tobirama made such a big deal out of having invented the shadow clone jutsu, how it was his jutsu, only to find out that he once performed a full dissection on someone's shadow clone instead of them and never once noticed. like i would've un-summoned myself on the spot out of embarrassment but i'm not sure he knew how to undo the edo tensei. which was also his jutsu.

like he showed up to the fourth war and every single one of the jutsu he created had been mastered by someone else who was better at it than him

Kishimoto having both Hashirama and Naruto only get married when Madara and Sasuke leave Konoha makes me giggle. We get it, both Hashirama and Naruto were heart broken and settled with women, because they couldn't run from heteronormativity and their one and only left.

The way Mito doesn't show up at all in Hashirama and Madara's backstory. It's not Kishi hate for woman, she just doesn't matter lmaooo. And don't get me started on The Last and the need to make a whole movie to justify naruhina, after Naruto left her on read when she said she loves him.

Will always remember how itachi traumatized sasuke all those times for no reason wheras madara in a war couldn't even fight back a boy that looks like izuna.

I don't buy the 'Sasusakus are a cesspool of homophobic cishets and Sasunaru shippers are a shining light in the fandom who truly understand queerness and media!!!!' allegations because Sasusaku shippers have been nothing but respectful of me headcanoning Sasuke as a trans lesbian because of the combo of her individual character and how her relathionship with Sakura is written and one of my friend's even agreed that Sasuke works really well as a transfem character even though that's not her personal hc and they're always the ones defending Sasuke and the Kunoichi without pitting any of them against eachother and instead uplifting them with an emphasis on their girlhood without being cissexist and also having a nuanced view on the Uchiha clan and Sasunarus think Sasuke hates women so much she can only like men and say none of their pre-Shippuden dynamic counts because Sasuke had more screentime being toxic destructive friends with Naruto and get EXTREMELY up in arms over non-Sasuke guys as Naruto's endgame both on their own posts and even on strangers' and it's like their entire life to spew ironic unironic misogynistic takes and jokes about every female character in existense with their gender as the basis and act like Madara's not a militaristic child groomer who started the Uchiha intergenerational trauma and actively refused to let anybody end the cycle to the point of naming because of how proud he was.Idk i just feel like there's something deeply ironic about Sasusaku being labeled as 'cishet bullshit' while Sasunaru is considered a stepping stone and iconic gay couple despite not ever being canon and calling eachother brothers in-universe and it's worth noting Sasuke expressed she liked Sakura better than Naruto and Naruto never called Gaara,Kiba OR Shikamaru his brother so i think the problem with Sasunaru is just that they don't want the other specifically,not that they're straight LMAO

i feel like the way hiruzen characterizes itachi is so fucking telling. where is that post thats like "the uchiha are the clan of love while the senju are the clan of duty" bc yeah. hiruzen says that itachi was an Exceptional uchiha. he highlights and praises how special he was, how already at a young age he could think like a hokage. wasnt as limited by his own clan's constraints like the other uchiha and was able to consider the bigger picture instead.

what is special abt itachi? itachi let himself be used as a tool. it goes back to what kakashi said in the land of waves arc, how he's like shinobi cant have emotions, theyre just tools of the state, they are means to an end. itachi is used as a means to an end. he is "special" bc he was capable to put aside his emotions or override them to a point where he was able to kill his own family. hiruzen thinks that this is what makes him an admirable shinobi and hashirama says the same! he compares him with himself bc he did the same! hashirama also overrode his own feelings and killed his friend for konoha. bc hashirama, as well, tried to consider the bigger picture. sacrifice one person to save a whole village. thats what it means to "think like a hokage" here .. and its also what it means to be a shinobi. according to itachi himself, being a shinobi means protecting the peace from the shadows. hashirama says that it means to endure. itachi's protection of the village entailed not just executing their work for them but also taking the blame onto his own shoulders so that konoha, the actual culprit, is not seen as the culprit. he's an uchiha, so it kind of puts the blame on the uchiha themselves as well. tobirama, when he hears of the genocide from sasuke, is like well. seems like the uchiha destroyed themselves. guess they had it coming. but at least they were useful to the village before .. itachi was an "exceptional uchiha" bc he was useful to the village more so than able to protect and side with his own clansmen. hashirama's "endurance" means smth similar. u endure the pain that comes w sacrificing ur friends and ur loved ones, u sacrifice them and take into account that they suffer in order to protect and maintain ur peace.

it feels so repetitive to say cuz i know many others have said it before but like this is the flaw in konoha's ideology. its on one hand the using its people as tools and on the other this viewpoint of protecting the greater good, the majority, at the cost of minorities (madara. one person. and the uchiha. one clan out of many). its what madara meant when he said that hashirama has his priorities backwards and it is also connected to what he said about how the "selfish desire to maintain peace causes wars". bc even tho this here is not a war. it is an act of insane cruelty that is done w the intention of protecting ur peace. u selfishly sacrifice and cut off parts of ur village as a solution to inner-village conflict. rather kill ur friend instead of resolving and understanding his issues and subject a whole clan to genocide instead of going the much harder way to resolve what has motivated them to plan to overthrow the government in the first place. this is why madara thinks its a lie! madara says that compromise is just a silent form of conflict. he gets this worldview bc of the policies and cruelties that he has anticipated and seen in konoha. hashirama seeing that the uchiha have a terrible stance in the village but not being capable of doing smth abt it and instead just letting it deteriorate ever more further. and the solution in the end's just to eradicate them. just like hashirama got rid of madara. rather killed him than going the more difficult route of making more effort to understand him and understand what caused his change in character and drove him towards his destructive actions in the first place.

What do you think of Madara and Obito?

What do you think, anon? I mean…

They are not the kind of people I like to hang out with, certainly.

I mean, I understand their rage. I am not saying their motives are not valid. I am not saying you are to blame if you go insane after losing everything, after feeling so betrayed and being treated with so much injustice. After seeing how everything you worked so hard for, your last hopes for yourself and those who you hold dear, stumbles and falls before your eyes. But Obito did help in the massacre of my clan, supposedly after being manipulated by Madara and following whatever plan he entrusted to him. Do I have to forgive them because they are Uchiha?

I don’t know if this is going to be controversial or what, but what is the reason for Obito to take “revenge” against the Uchiha in the name of Madara? Even if they were wrong, even if Madara felt they betrayed him, even if they choose a path that he did not agree with. Even if reason was on his side. You just don’t kill family for that. Obito had the power to help his kind, to prevent the massacre. And he didn’t, he just killed his family in cold blood. The family Izuna was so desperate to protect. If Madara taught him that logic, he must have been completely insane. And if not, what was Obito’s justification? Trauma for losing his girlfriend? And why? The Uchiha had nothing to do with imprisoning and spreading tailed beasts around the world to make friends for Hashirama. They had nothing to do with anything that happened to Rin.

You know? I think if you are treated always as an outcast, if they convince you that there is something wrong with you in essence, that your nature is to be eventually possessed by some kind of inevitable evil, and thus you can’t be trusted… If you are severely traumatized by the cruelty of war, and all you have experienced is that you deserve to be nothing but a tool to achieve an end, an end more important than preserving human life… I don’t know, maybe you end up believing it? Why does Obito himself repeat the bullshit of the curse of hatred? Why does he help spread hate against his own? He is so alienated he makes sense no more.

I don’t even think helping with the massacre was necessary to advance on his plan. And I don’t know what would have happened if Itachi did not have help that night. I love Itachi and I can forgive him and understand that he was coerced to do that. I can’t feel the same towards Madara or Obito. They just don’t have that privilege, call me hypocrite if you want.

They seek a world without pain, peace… Well, know what? They helped my world to be hell. And moreover… Obito knew the truth about my brother and let me confront him. He knew that would destroy me, that I would go insane with pain. And he did so anyway, just trying to manipulate me for his own ends. Well, sorry, but I can’t forgive that. His good guy façade in the end only involved regret for starting the war and doing things that bothered Konoha. He did not regret for a single second anything related to the massacre of my clan.

So I don’t like them. I straight up hate them. Sorry.

Naruto has a multitude of characters where their writing is heavily based in queerness and queer experiences. From the devotion two characters have for one another to a point where they would trust each other with their lives, to feeling like the other one is the only person who truly to their core understands them and accepts them for who they are despite their flaws and issues they’ve done in the past.

Naruto as a series is so queer in its writing that the writer - whether intentional or not - made the main two characters always run after each other even if one of them fell into darkness, saying he’d shoulder the pain he’s holding just so he can be near him and you’re saying you think… Obito is gay?? The guy who literally lost his mind over a girl??

Edit: I’m talking about canon btw. Hc if you’d like I’ll always support that, but he’s not canonically gay or bi. His character is rooted in his love for a girl and the only reason he saved kk was to have time alone w Rin because he didn’t want him interfering. He’s in love w Rin and only Rin in canon🙇‍♂️

I don't know if that's a well-known information here, but did you know it's canon Tobirama buried Madara's corpse just to study his sharingan? He was initially trying to destroy his corpse, but changed his mind about the subject

Who knows what kind of tests/experiments he did with Madara's corpse shadow clone (I mean, no way it disappeared, otherwise Tobirama would know Madara was faking his death and informed at least Hashirama)...

Also, he locked Madara's corpse and tied the coffin with ropes and stakes! That's a corpse, man, he should will not just stand up and kills you at night, chill... (and no one would find it, anyway, since Tobirama hid it deep in the mountains)

Adding: It seems like the Uchiha clan didn't seem to care enough about making a proper burial to Madara's corpse, since it's never told and/or showed what Tobirama did was common knowledge within the Uchiha or.. anyone who isn't Black Zetsu

Anyway Madara's a goat to refuse death, even though I dislike izanagi and izanami jutsus @lalalover33-blog

Sometimes you can tell very clearly when a shipper only likes the idea of a ship, but doesn't like one of the actual characters involved in the ship. I see this most with sns/hsmd where people like the idea of the ship, but they very obviously don't like Sasuke or Madara, so they'll basically just make an OC and strip them of all the nuance they have as characters.

And this annoys me so much with sns/hsmd specifically because Sasuke and Madara are some of the best written, most interesting characters this show has to offer, but instead of appreciating that, half of the fandom is busy stripping away every interesting detail about Sasuke and Madara, just so they can fuck their best friend.