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pynkhues · 5 months

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I recently read an article in which Quentin Tarantino stated that fewer movie stars exist as a result of "Marvel movies in Hollywood." I think Jennifer Aniston made a similar argument before saying that there are no longer any movie stars. I'm not sure what that means. I can think of a lot of movie stars right now, such as Zendaya, Timothee Chalamet, and Zoey Deutch etc. what do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and Quentin's comments.

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Months ago, when you sent me this ask, anon, I wrote out a really long reply and as soon as I hit post, my laptop crashed and ate the answer, and I was so annoyed at myself for not saving my reply, that I couldn't bring myself to try and re-write an answer. I'm really sorry for that, especially because I think this is such an interesting ask (or well, two asks, because I think the death of the movie star and the impact Marvel's had on the broader concept of a movie star, are kinda two different things).

I've been thinking about it a bit again recently though, particularly as the Oscar race gears up, and Jacob Elordi and Charles Melton''s respective stars are rising in an industry currently desperate to find the new young Hollywood male 'talent', and I've been thinking about it again because honestly?

I agree with Jennifer Aniston, I think the movie star is dead.

We are a long, long way from Golden Age Hollywood where actors like Cary Grant and Marilyn Monroe could captivate a public imagination in a way that translated to big box office effect, after all. Hell, we're even out of New Hollywood, an era dominated by names like Al Pacino, Jack Nicholson, and Jane Fonda, and the Blockbuster era with Tom Cruise, Sylvester Stallone and Harrison Ford.

My original reply went into a lot of the different reasoning as to why this is (like with many things, I don't think there's any one reason for it), in particular how the advent of streaming has changed our relationship with films and TV shows, how the saturation of the market has diluted the staying power of celebrities, how social media and the perceived accessibility of celebrities removes personal mystique which in turn removes intrigue and increases a sense of entitlement, and the fact that so many people having stopped going to the cinema means that the experiential element of seeing a film in a setting larger than life has been diminished.

I think call out culture plays a role too, with any actor on the rise being torn down by tweets they made eight, nine or ten years ago impacting how their star rises, I think the dismantling of the studio system (which is a good thing!) also harmed actors in the long run as studios stopped investing the same resources into making and training stars (they used to be able to sing, dance and act! Now some can barely even act!), and I think, of course, the rise of prestige TV changed the industry substantially (after all, movie stars were movie stars - they traditionally did not, and would not, do TV, which created a clear class structure in terms of screen-based storytelling).

And yeah, I think the language shift from film and TV to content has done irrepairable damage to the artistry of filmmaking and the consideration of a movie star as an actor at the top of their field instead of an actor with the most Insta followers or YouTube subscribers (after all, if everything's content, isn't it the same thing? [no lol]).

Which I guess is kind of where Quentin Tarantino's argument comes in, right? What he's saying is that Marvel's made it so that the IP - the content itself - is the star, not the actor, and I'd say he's probably right with that.

Think of it this way - back in the New Hollywood/Blockbuster era, Harrison Ford was the movie star - he was leading new franchises left-right-and-centre between Star Wars and Indiana Jones, sci fi epics like Blade Runner, leading action thrillers like Patriot Games, The Fugitive and Clear and Present Danger and getting nominated for Oscars for Witness.

He was a movie star in every sense of the word because you could hinge a film - one with a new concept, not just remakes or sequels - on him and be virtually guaranteed a success. He was what sold the tickets, the director just hopefully had to make something good enough people would leave the cinema glad they saw.

Tarantino's argument is the Marvel model - - hell, even the new Star Wars properties, turned the franchise into the star, for better or worse, which means original films can't compete because nobody knows the IP. Back when Harrison Ford was at the top of his game, his name was what helped original films including smaller, standalone works like Witness find an audience, but the studios have changed that. Capitalism has changed that.

Properties with existing audiences and deep pockets for merch were prioritised, only now those franchises are faltering and you've got a generation trained that 'cinematic events' are reserved for blockbusters in established universes, instead of taking a risk on a new film because you know you love an actor who's in it.

Do I think we could go back?

Maybe, but probably not.

I think the place we are now in the history of cinema / TV / 'content' means you can't make a movie star anymore because I think the industry is simply so different that no actor can break through in the same way that even Leonardo DiCaprio could 30 years ago. That industry doesn't exist anymore, actors aren't guaranteed draws (Bones and All proved that for Timothee Chalamet, and Wonka I think could go a similar way), or they have to heavily rely on other industries to become household names which I think dilutes them as a pure 'movie star' (Zendaya's a great example of this - I like her a lot, but how many movies has she even been in? They built her career up in peripheral industries long before they tried to sell her as a movie star, and frankly, I'd question her even as a leading actress yet given she's typically only either been in ensemble casts or clear supporting).

It's a whole new world, and yeah, I think the movie star is dead.

#i hope this makes sense haha #it's an interesting topic #and a shame really #i also think there's a difference between being famous online and a movie star #like zoey deutch i really like and i know film twitter likes her #but she's b-list at best and i doubt she has any broader name recognition unfortunately #whereas timmy and zendaya defs do #but even their star power isn't working #dune did well because of tarantino's argument #the ip is the star #challengers will be the real test for zendaya #and wonka will be timmy's biggest one #because bones and all tanked but is a) genre and b) indie #don't look up french dispatch and little women were all ensemble #so yeah #wonka will defs be interesting to see #film asks #welcome to my ama

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bluetimeombre · 3 months

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⭒❃.✮:▹Call it what you want to, part 4!

[finally!! Here’s part 4, sorry it took so long to get up, I’ve been working on many other things that I want to share. Hope you like this one, the next part will be the final FINAL]

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yourusername: happy birthday tchalamet!! one of these days you'll bring back lil timmy tim. see you soon!!

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user: 'see you soon?!' they're happening!

user: yourusername being the biggest timmy tim fan is the best thing ever

user: i love them

tchalamet: thank you daisy, my daisy

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user: ur honour, they're in live

user: HE CALLS HER MY DAISY LIKE THEIR CHARACTERS IN WONKA IM DECEACED

user: hate to be tom rn

user: catch up, they're not together

user: they're not!?

user: happy birthday timmy

user: she's so sweet, urg love her

user: parents

user: i LOVED WONKA

user: isn't timmy in new york and she's been seen alone in london? does that mean they're going to each other

user: we are being fed

user: i swear he was just with kylie

user: they're so cute, you can tell timothee is so in love with her

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timothee chalamet is texting ... you

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user: cute!!!!

user: dying rn

user: they’re together for the new year!!! r u kidding me!!!

user: looks like we know what timmy has planned for new years

user: PLS THEYRE so cute

user: no hate to my parents or I’ll kill you

user: mom, I’m going back to dads house

tomblyth: is that my shirt?

yourusername: u mean the shirt you LITERALLY gave me, stfu

user: not together my ass!!!!

user: tomblyth and yourusername all the way

user: she went to new york for his birthday and for new years, she’s in love with him

user: tchalamet and yourusername >>>

user: her and tom are so cute but as friends

user: her and timmy are literal goals

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user: GUYS!!! LOOK AT THEM AHH, tchalamet and yourusername at his apartment in New York! They’re so IN LOVE

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user: WHAT

user: what about Tom :(((((

user: she basically just lied in her vanity fair to make herself not look like a whore

user: slut

user: awwww I love them

user: she’s leading tom on

user: she was literally making out with tom like two months ago

user: how could she do this?

user: timmy needs to leave her

user: save timmy!

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itsb3a2 · 4 months

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Golden globes

Timothee chalamet x fem!reader

Y/n comforts timmy after losing the golden globes.

It was a star-studded night at the Golden Globes, and Timothée Chalamet and Y/N were the talk of the town. The young couple arrived hand in hand, dressed in designer outfits and beaming with love for each other.

As they walked down the red carpet, cameras flashed and reporters called out their names. Timothée couldn't help but feel grateful to have Y/N by his side, supporting him on one of the biggest nights of his career.

But as the night went on, the excitement and anticipation turned into disappointment for Timothée. He was nominated for the Best Actor award for his role in "Wonka," but unfortunately lost to Paul Giamatti

Y/N could see the sadness in Timothée's eyes as they made their way back to their hotel room after the party. She knew how much this award meant to him and how hard he had worked for it.

"Hey," she gently whispered, wrapping her arms around him as they entered their room. "I'm so proud of you, Timmy. You were amazing out there tonight."

Timothée let out a sigh and leaned into Y/N's embrace. "I just really wanted to win, you know? I worked so hard for this role and put my heart and soul into it."

Y/N knew that Timothée was always his own worst critic, and she hated seeing him so upset. She pulled away slightly to look into his eyes and gently wiped away a tear that had escaped.

"I know, my love. But don't forget, you have already won in so many ways. Your performance touched so many hearts and your talent is undeniable. You don't need an award to prove that," she said, her voice filled with love and reassurance.

Timothée's lips curved into a small smile as he looked at Y/N. He was so grateful to have her in his life, always there to support and uplift him. He leaned in and kissed her softly, feeling grateful for her comforting words.

"Thank you, Y/N. I don't know what I would do without you," he whispered against her lips.

Y/N smiled and wrapped her arms around his neck, deepening the kiss. They stood there, in each other's arms, finding solace and comfort in their love for each other.

As the night went on, Timothée's disappointment faded away, replaced by the love and support he received from Y/N. And as they fell asleep in each other's arms, Timothée knew that he had already won the most important award of all - Y/N's love.

#timothee chalamet x reader

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silvyysthings · 5 months

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All of these reactions around Wonka and Timmy makes me even more secure about his future despite the current shit show with the plastic girl.

He has a bright future as one of the biggest movie star in Hollywood. He will get the same recognition as Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise in less time they needed to become so well known.

He is young and full of unreached potentials. This period with the plastic girl will soon be forgotten about and people will only talk about Wonka and it’s possible futur as a Christmas movie classic like Home Alone.

#timothée chalamet #anon ask

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destinyc1020 · 4 months

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The only reason some people are trying to argue that Wonka's success has nothing to do with Timmy is cause they hate to see him winning, imo. Same thing with Uncharted where they will say it would have been big with or without Tom cause it was a known IP, when everyone knows Tom is the main reason that movie made money. The truth is that from all the young stars in hollywood Timmy is probably the biggest one right now. He's got critical acclaim/prestige AND box office success as well. Just the facts 🤷

I def think some fandom wars are at play here due to the fact that some have the impression that there's only room for ONE "Box Office King" or successful actor in Hollywood. 😒

But the reality is, there's MORE than enough room for everyone.

Re: Your last sentence....

I think Tom and Timmy are both successful, but maybe in different ways? It doesn't make one "better" than the other, but just different. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Timmy has more of the prestige and award nominations, but Tom has more of the popularity, box office success, and household name.

They're both GREAT actors though, and they both will be fine in Hollywood. 🤷🏾‍♀️

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not-so-rosyyy · 1 year

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Paul Kind directed Paddington aka one of the best movie ever made (to me) OMG I'm so fucking happy right now

This is better than Damian Chazelle which was my first choice

idk if this is better because they're different types of directors but it might be as good!

also yes Paddington is peak cinema okay!!! and the biggest draw for me to watching Wonka (more than Timmy, as a matter of fact) is Paul King directing it 🤧

#fred astaire biopic

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rantsandsparkles · 1 year

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My Most Anticipated Movies of 2023

Honorable mentions that didn’t make my list in no particular order : Killers of the Flower Moon (if it actually comes about this year. how many years have we been saying this is coming out?!), Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Napoleon, John Wick 4, and Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse. And now to my top 10!

10) Barbie

A lot of people are losing their shit over Barbie. I didn’t really care until I saw the photos of Ryan Gosling as Ken. I’m not the biggest fan of Greta Gerwig, I mostly enjoyed Little Women (although I am still BAFFLED at her decision to make it seem like Jo decided to be with Laurie and then got rejected like umm what ?!) , wasn’t too crazy about Lady Bird. And I won’t get into her non-performance in White Noise lol, but she is a competent director so I’m intrigued. I think Blake Lively would have made a better “Barbie” but Margot Robbie is always delightful so I’m looking forward to this one.

9) Creed III

I’ve never seen any of the Rocky movies, but for some reason I watched the first two Creeds, and I liked them both. Jonathan Majors looks isancely ripped in this trailer and yes i’m shallow enough to let that be enough to get my butt in the seat lol. But more seriously, this is Michael B. Jordan’s directorial debut and I’m very excited to see his directing chops.

8) Wonka

I am still scratching my head over who at Warner Brothers decided to cast Timothlee Chalamet as a Wonka, and make by default a Wonka that fucks. But here we are. When I heard about this casting news a couple years ago I literally said ‘wtf’ out loud, but when I saw the pictures I was sold. He has that mischevious Wonka smirk down pat. I am a little nervous about this after hearing the reaction to the footage that played at CinemaCon , and I’m like one of the few people on earth that didn’t love the Paddington movies, so the Paul King element isn’t comforting to me. But I’m excited to see Timmy in a musical. And the goddess Olivia Colman gushed about his performance, so I have faith. Although if the rumors are true that it was between him and Tom Holland , and Timmy isn’t good in this I will be so upset.

7) Oppenheimer

This cast list is insane, and the fact that he allegedly got to set of an actual nuke is absurd and suck a yep Christopher Nolan still a jackass thing to do lol. Don’t know much about the plot, and haven’t read the book, but looking forward to this one for sure.

Its also fun that this movie is coming out same day as Barbie. That is going to be a wild double feature day

6) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

James Gunn’s first Guardians of the Galaxy is probably my favorite of the MCU movies. The second one , was uh , definitely not. I’m hoping that the trilogy ends on a high note and this one captures more of the charm from the first. Even if its bad, I know at least it will have a killer soundtrack.

5) The Super Mario Bros. Movie

I know the internet hates Chris Pratt , but I still like him. I think if he was truly a trash person then his co-stars wouldn’t speak of him so highly, and I’ll take the word of people that actually know someone over the opinion of the internet any day. But with that being said , I think it is almost INSANE that he was cast as Mario. Like it makes me laugh every time I think about it. I think its hilarious that multiple studio execs agreed , “yep, he’s our Mario.” I have no idea what this movie is going to be about and I don’t care, just going in with zero exception

4) Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

Ant Man’s Scott Lang is one of my favorite of the marvel characters and I really enjoyed Jonathan Majors’ Kang in Loki. I’m excited to see what’ll happen in this one and hopefully it’ll have better muliverse content than DS Multiverse of Madness. I have to admit however that the trailers have been disappointing in terms of visuals - I’m not paticialry looking forward to an entire movie essentially filmed in the volume.

3) Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lsFs2615gw

The fact that this movie’s title is Mission colon Impossible dash Dead Reckoning Part One is ridiulous , and I hope the movie is just as ridiculous lol Tom Cruise is a freak of nature , and seeing this clip in Imax last month got me hyped. And anything with Rebecca Ferguson? Absolutely.

2) Challengers

Zendaya as a milf in a love triangle with Josh O’Connor and Mike Fiast? Ummmm Sign me the fuck up. I will admit though I am nervous about this movie though because I didn’t love the script that was posted online, and although I know he’s widely known and respected as a great auteur filmmaker , I can’t say that I’ve ever really loved any of the Luca Guadagnino’s films that I’ve seen. I’m hoping that Zendaya gets to play this as a femme fatale kind of sex bomb character, and that it cements her as a movie star that can open a big movie.

1) Dune Part 2

I have truly have no idea why, but I have become almost obsessed with Dune over the past year. I watched it when it came out in 2021 and I thought it was fine , but I didn’t have an urge to revisit it. Then all of a sudden I got an urge to to watch Dune and after seeing it again I got really into the story. I’m really looking forward to seeing what Denis has planned for the second part of this adaptation, particialuar how he’s going to handle the trippy spice /water of life stuff, how they’re going to do Alia, ect. And everything the cast had crew has said about part 2 , that its bigger more cinematic etc has me so excited. And it seems like ever day we are getting another 🤯 cast announcment. I’m counting down the days for this one - November can’t get hear soon enough :)

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sleepless-in-southlands · 2 years

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idk if youve been watching hc s9 but impulse, gem, and pearl is the trio i didnt know i needed. could you write something with the three of them getting up to harmless shenanigans? pranking their neighbors and such? up to you if it's shippy or not!!

i haven't actually gotten into hc s9 just yet, but i will do my Very Best to act like someone who has! legally if i do badly you can't sue me now that i have disclosed this /j

The three of them were gathered in a side room in Impulse's developing base, the man himself having private messaged them both that they had urgent business to discuss. Urgent business that had included cookies, since he was apparently not entirely pass his Willy Wonka phase.

"It has come to my attention," he began once all guests were seated and treated, "that this server is running seriously low on its mischief and mayhem meters for this new world."

"It is?" Gem took a bite out of one of her cookies, swallowing before continuing, "I feel like there's already been a lot of chaos for how little we've been here."

"Hermitcraft standards for mischief and mayhem are very lofty standards."

Pearl twirled half a cookie between her fingers. "He's got a point, things don't ever really slow down here."

Impulse pointed at Pearl. "Yes, exactly! Things must always be happening, the zanier the better! And with Mumbo on extended leave for whatever odd reasons he may have-"

"Didn't he say his mental health was doing poorly?"

"No, he said he hoped his mental health was doing poorly, because he didn't want to believe Grian's rock actually gained sentience and attempted to threaten his life."

"-there is a gap in the usually swift and full line of chaos production!" Impulse finished, ignoring Gem and Pearl's mini-conversation. "And that, my fellow connoisseurs of trickery, is where we come in!"

Gem took another bite of her cookie in thought. "So... you're saying we need to commit trickery to keep the balance?"

"Pursue recreational pranking for the good of the server?" Pearl added.

Impulse grinned. "Correct! I propose we begin with the biggest target possible, to make a name for ourselves as the defenders of the chaotic peace."

"You mean the admin?" Impulse nodded. Pearl pointed her cookie at him. "You're saying you want us to start off with pranking Xisuma, the guy who only just whitelisted me and Gem one moon-crash ago?"

Impulse nodded again. Pearl matched his grin. "I'm in."

"You had me at the cookies." Gem admitted, finishing hers before asking, "But what do we do? And what do we call ourselves? We can't make a name for ourselves unless we have one first, right?"

"An excellent point, Gem! I suggest we call ourselves-" Impulse hastily removed the wall behind him to reveal three banners spelling out 'PIG', "PIG! In honor of Timmy, the beloved tour guide. In addition, it fits the theme of mob-based mischief makers, following in the grand steps of legends such as Poultry Man and Worm Man."

"Who?"

Impulse waved a dismissive hand. "Don't worry about it. We have a name now! All that's left is the perfect prank."

"Well... if we're going to be PIG, we should probably fill Xisuma's base with as many pigs as we can find." Gem suggested, grinning slyly. "We could feed them carrots once they're there too, for even more piggys."

"And I can flip some of them upside down, for a unique touch." Pearl added, getting a glint in her eye. "Bet I could get some of them in some odd corners, too. Surprises even after he thinks he's cleared them all."

Impulse pretended to wipe a tear from the corner of his eye. "Beautiful, absolutely beautiful." He planted his hands on the table in front of him, grin growing as Pearl and Gem leaned in with matching expressions. "We are going to create such beautiful mayhem, I just know it."

#impulsesv #pearlescentmoon #geminitay #hermitcraft #hc s9 #m.y funky words #filling graves (prompts)#messages in smoke #ty for the request!! i hope i did it some sorta justice #if anything is inaccurate to s9 no it isnt <3 /j sdljfcnklsd

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destinyc1020 · 6 months

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I have an unpopular opinion about Timothee: I dont really feel the same outrage as most fans to his recent comments or that poor snl hamas joke anymore due to his last gq interview. I am a fan of him as an actor but dont really care about him as person.

Back in 2017 - 2019 I was the biggest Timmy fan. I deeply connected to him as an introvert and anxiety and really believed that the person he was in interviews and public events was a really him and not a curated persona to generate a fandom. Post 2020 I rarely put any celeb on any pedestal or really except maybe Tomdaya because I really believe they are authentic individuals. (Maybe I'm delulu for thinking that but they haven't disappointed me yet so).

In his last gq interview from my perspective really opens up the struggle of having instant fame and also growing up as an adult with all these hats of personas he puts out to the public whilst still holding on the notion that he's not gonna change for hollywood. But the reality is the more famous you are the more you change. Timothee changed and that's not my business anymore.

I just don't believe ppl trying to cancel him or outrage because in a few weeks when wonka comes out and ppl will forget. It's kinda like Doja cat. Her antics are annoying but her music is great. There's always gonna be a grey area when it comes to ppls fav. I don't agree personally but I see ppl flip flop over things their favs do like a krabby patty.

Hopefully this doesn't come out like I'm a disciple of clubchalamet but I feel like sometimes in stan culture nuance is lost.

Thanks Anon for your input and comments. 😃 You've brought up a very interesting discussion, so I'm going to try to address the things you said one by one.

I didn't read the entirety of Timmy's GQ interview (I'll have to get to that later), so I might be lost on the context of your sentiments, but all I'll say is this: You can feel however you want to feel. You can be outraged, or you can not be outraged. Nobody can really tell you how to feel. It's your own personal opinion. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Many people (including myself) on the other hand, felt as though that particular joke on SNL last night was in poor taste, and quite insensitive. 🥴

This is tricky, because on one hand, I kind of feel like whenever you're in the public eye, you kind of DO have to wear various different personas in a way, because you're working in the public eye, you have to maintain certain boundaries, and you also want your private life to be sacred as well.

It doesn't mean you're being "Fake", it just means that the more famous you become, the more and more you may have to juggle various different demands, and put on different "faces" to the public. Sometimes, let's face it, you just don't want to be on that red carpet. But you suck it up, smile, pose, and get on with your job because that's your JOB. You're getting paid. Same with us regulars who have a 9-5 job. I'm still myself at work, but in a professional setting, I carry myself a certain way. You think I always want to wake up early and go to work? PLEASE. 😅 It doesn't mean I'm "fake", or that I'm not being myself, it just means that I'm putting my "professional" self out there in the forefront, and dimming down my "home self" while at work in the office.

I think most people are multifaceted actually. I don't think people are as black and white as some fans make celebrities out to be.

Post 2020 I rarely put any celeb on any pedestal or really except maybe Tomdaya because I really believe they are authentic individuals. (Maybe I'm delulu for thinking that but they haven't disappointed me yet so).

This might sound crazy but......Tbh, I don't put ANY celebrity (or ANYBODY for that matter) on a pedestal. No, NOT even Tom and Zendaya lol. 😅 (*gasp! Shocker... I know lol) It's not because I think they'll disappoint me one day, it's more so because I just wasn't raised to put anyone on a pedestal or to idolize people. 🤷🏾‍♀️

I actually don't think idolizing people or worshiping them is healthy? 🥴 And I don't think humans were meant to be worshipped or heavily idolized, and I feel like that's one of the reasons why some celebrities (especially music artists) end up having mental breakdowns, go off the rails, or struggle with fame. I think it's unnatural. 😔

Don't get me wrong! There are celebrities who I love very much, and I love their work, I love watching them, I enjoy them, I think they're pretty/handsome/funny/talented/charismatic, etc. and I LOVE them! 😊😃 I'm a HUGE HUGE fan!

BUT! I never idolize them, or think they can do no wrong, because to me, they're just human and can make mistakes just like me, and just like 100% of the other humans out here. That way, if one of my faves DOES seriously disappoint me one day in the future, I may be sad about it, but I'm not devastated, because I never put them high up on a pedestal to begin with. I just viewed them as a regular human being. 🤷🏾‍♀️

I kind of feel like some fans actually put their faves up on too HIGH of a pedestal tbh, and then they become super angry or annoyed when their faves don't do/act/behave/say exactly what they want them to...and my thought is, "Well, you're the one who thought they were ABOVE reproach and were 'perfect', so that's probably part of the problem right there..." 🥴 (I'm talking about fans complaining about minor things regarding their faves, not major offenses or crimes)

I kind of like to view my faves (and other celebrities) as actually very human, and probably under a LOT more stress than I realize. That industry can be very unforgiving, stressful, and kind of crazy....

So, I actually think it's a GOOD thing that you don't put your faves on a pedestal tbh. 🤷🏾‍♀️

(I still need to read the entirety of that GQ article)

Like I said before, I do think that humans in general DO wear different hats. We're complex individuals. It doesn't mean someone is fake, it just means they have to be different in different scenarios. A man may go to work and have to put on his "CEO" hat. But when he comes home, he's putting on his "husband" and "father" hat. He's the same man, but he just has different duties, ways of being, and things he needs to attend to in different scenarios.

I think that large amounts of fame (especially if it's overnight) DOES change everyone actually... But maybe not in the way you might think. Whether it might make an actor more of a recluse because their privacy is constantly being invaded, or maybe makes an artist more aware of different worlds/people/walks of life due to traveling and touring several different places around the world, or whether it's just viewing things differently from a different perspective because you've been BURNED in this industry... I def think it's inevitable that fame will change you on SOME level. It doesn't mean you change into being a mean/entitled person or anything... But more so that your life has undoubtedly changed, so how could it not affect you on SOME level.... Ykwim? Some celebrities never used to suffer from anxiety until they got super famous, and now they suffer from anxiety, depression, paranoia, etc. Like, YES...fame can change you. And sometimes the changes are sad. 😔 I've seen some of my faves change over the years due to the wear and tear that fame put on them. 😔 They used to be so happy-go-lucky, trusting, open, and innocent at first, but then after years of massive fame, they became depressed, anxiety-ridden, distrustful, shut down, super private, and burned out due to all of the pressure of fame. 😭 So yes, in a way it changed them because of the demands. Maybe even because people around them changed.

It also changes how people interact with you. Some celebrities have said that they would just like to be treated like a normal human being. I believe some when they say that. But it's hard because people DON'T treat them that way most of the time. Do you see the never-ending cycle?

Fans/the general public definitely have selective amnesia lol 😅🤣 I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing disappointment if one of your faves does/says something you didn't like. But this whole "cancel culture" thing when someone in the public eye does something you didn't like is a bit much for me. I think it depends on what it is. Not every mistake or action is on the same level imo. Whether a fan chooses to get over the SNL jokes or not is up to that fan. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Some may choose to never like or support Timothee ever again, while another fan may post angry tweets about it, but will move on and be SAT for the Wonky Movie next month. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Each fan can decide what they feel is the "last straw" for not supporting their fave or some celebrity in the media. I think that should be a personal decision for each person? Maybe it's not so much that people "forget", but more so that they have allowed this disgrace some mercy, but will still support his work unless he does something worse in the future.

Hopefully this doesn't come out like I'm a disciple of clubchalamet but I feel like sometimes in stan culture nuance is lost.

LOL! No, not in the least 😅 I totally understood what you were trying to say. I just think that fandom/stan culture is pretty complex and isn't always black and white.

Plus, I feel like you can like someone as a person, but not like their CHOICES...yet still feel like deep down they're overall still a decent person.

The flipside is also true... You can like someone's WORK, but not necessarily care for them as a person. It happens all the time. 🤷🏾‍♀️

#warning: long post coming through #sorry for the long dissertation

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